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Well, with how much they are all suffering mentally and emotionally, any other punishment they could receive would be pointless as it is less than what they are going through right now.
Howl! Howl! How... what? I stubbed my toe!
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6650832 "So don't start howling about how he is getting off easy." He is making a joke, he instead just said the words: "Howl" Instead of writing as if it was a noise.
831. . . 831 chapters and it's still going. . . Wow, I'm in for a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. . .(3 days latter). . .ooooooooooooong read.
6650810 It could almost be seen as petty, in a way. Only Bucky has a good grasp of the horrors Sentinel felt and experienced. They'll just be punished for taking the ship.
But only after a psychiatrist goes over them thoroughly.
Kind of a catch 22....
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What TBK said. Just doing silly comments to ward off bad mentalities.
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I my not be a psychiatrist, but in my professional opinion they need a, daily dosage of hugs, cuddles, and, when they can keep food down again, never ending sweets... until they can't keep it down again.
...I am not one capable of proper discipline.
6650832 Thanks a lot, Kudzu... You made me tear up. :P
This is too damn long. What I would have done is break it down into smaller parts with say 45-50 chapter each to make it a little easier for people that are just starting to read it. Other than that, this is very good so far.
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Lifelong psychological and sociological study, running experiments on mentalities of the individual and the many on a nearly daily basis.
I can say with certainty they need their punishment. Having something bad happen to you in the course of your mistakes is not punishment and does not carry the same lesson or connotation behind it, nor does it fit the relationship model in which someone who cares for you and is responsible for you must act.
However, as was appropriately shown by Kudzu here, that can wait - it NEEDS to wait, and the others will serve their punishment by seeing Sentinel put through his lashes, figuratively or literally. Moonbow dying was not a consequence of their actions, it's a terrible thing that happened along the way. For every wrongdoing there must be a consequence. Simply knowing this on a logical, informational level, means next to nothing. The most important lessons have to be ground into our minds, through repetition or brief periods of impressively active indoctrination, be it of the self or the actions of another.
Sparing them their punishments or making light of it or making some symbolic punishment and then hand-waving the rest does not affirm their relationships or teach them anything. I think what you meant by seeming petty is also something that they, as those who dole out punishments, need to keep in mind - that it's not about taking out anger or worry on some kid's backside with a belt or hard labor. When done appropriately, for the right reasons, it is meant to show care and teach a lesson opposite of the actions taken during the incident in question. You do not run off half-cocked into what every logical point of information says is a suicide run because you think you're being short-changed. They didn't know there'd be some Destiny MacGuffin involved, they literally signed up to throw their lives away for pride.
As romantic as that may sound, fighting the good fight when you're not supposed to, from the perspective of a real person (which is what they're meant to have) it was absolute insanity, and not in the fun way. More in the 'I'm going to throw myself off this cliff because I'm angry.' sort of way.
The adventure, the punishment, all of it together will teach them a great many things about themselves, each other, and more importantly - their families. Even if they wind up crying in the end, they'll learn how much they're truly loved. Something many people I've met and examined and recorded over the years simply never had.
I do love how Luna inserts herself into talk of punishment like she and her sister didn't abolish a shitload of laws the moment before they could be charged with committing the same crimes they just sentenced fuck knows how many to die in exile over.
I think... that them not being punished is crueler than allowing them to be punished alongside Sentinel.
There is a camaraderie in shared punishment. Splitting them up, isolating Sentinel in his punishment, giving them the guilt of his punishment when they knew they made the decision to come along with the punishment... I can't decide if it's better because it's "more" punishment, or if sharing the punishment would be healthier for them overall anyway.
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... I didn't catch that, and usually I'm really good about noticing the cast applying judgement somewhat inconsistently.
Which laws were these?
yes another chapter *starts drumming fingers waiting for next chapter* *looks around before trying to find kudz's secret drafts and teasers drive* please hurry kudz not sure how much longer my coffee high is gonna hold out
6651071 The ones about getting 90% of their funding from avarice's blood money, where they exiled most of the unicorns and forbid all the rest from even owning property. Sure, Luna and Celestia did it for over a thousand years, but they're Alicorns, so they're above the law.
*hugs*
I know that feeling.
I know it well.
6650942 so far? how far are you?
I love it just as it is.
"getting off easy"
Not hardly, he will have to live with what he did for the rest of a possibly very long life the damage to Diamond Tiara. Whom he loves now and for whom his love will only grow. Not to mention what could have happened to the others including a Princes of Equesteria.
6651124 3 days in up to chapter 150. That's why I said break it up a little because seeing over 800 chapters can be intimidating.
6651192 I was pretty damn lucky to find this fic at chapter 52 during the couple month hiatus. You have my sympathies.
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It isn't so much about Moonbow...
Dinky is still a foal. For her, it is everything. She lacks the means to express that though, so it is easy to simplify it and 'mope about Moonbow.'
Excellent chapter, kudz. You did get the tone perfect, I believe.
6651104 They didn't exile most of unicorns, only those of House Avarice. They all were able to fit in the throne room if I recall correctly.
A lot more unicorns, however, fell to the anti-unicorn discrimination that happened after Avarice's schemes were revealed. That's when most of the nobility lost their power and many unicorns went into hiding. Only the nobility lost the right to own property, unicorns within the common classes were fine.
You alright? Usually when I leave this alone for as long as I have it has about thirty new chapters. Seriously you write so much quality content in a week. Not trying to be a duck but people on here care. Most of them anyways. Anyone who wants send me hatemail! On here.
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He was talking about the nobility. All the nobility was punished for "benefiting" from Avarice's corruption. Even if they didn't and were being controlled by Avarice via debts and the legal system. But Celestia appointed them and allowed this to go on. She had the same relationship to Avarice, where Avarice hid their actions and controlled her via the law... except she could have done something about it at any time. But she was not punished at all. While the other nobles will.
I understand this was a PR move, but it's still pretty darn inconsistent. Lack of consequences for the royalty is both something in this story and something in real life that is very true, though. If the world is going to shit, the royals get hit last unless they choose to not be.
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Ah, but here we go... who replaces them?
"Say, we'll just go away now for the sake of fairness."
"Yeah, good luck with the sun and the moon!"
"Tootles!"
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Yep. What would the world do without them? So, thus, other people pay for their mistakes. In very, very dire ways. Families are broken. Lives are ruined. People's psyches are inexorably destroyed. Except the princesses.
They're too big to fail!
It may be what has to happen just because things need to be fixed, but it still is frustrating.
I was really interested in Bucky's reaction to Sentinel's return, and I think you captured it perfectly.
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I agree... completely.
I wanted to show some consequences for Luna's actions when she became Nightmare Moon. She left her sister in the lurch, unable to do much of anything as the world went to shit all around her. I'm not excusing Celestia's actions... but really, what was Celestia to do exactly? In her own weakened state without Luna there to help her, Celestia had to keep things running somehow.
Sure, she could have knocked House Avarice down, but who would have replaced them? Who would have ran everything while Celestia focused upon the impossible task of holding up the heavens all by her lonesome? What choice did she have, really? She's a victim in all of this herself, just as much as anybody else. She was left with nothing but bad choices and she was forced to pick and choose from nothing but bad options.
All she can do now is rebuild and try to make things right.
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Yeah, and it's hard for me to keep my perspective because... from the perspective of someone who loves Celestia, she's a victim to bad circumstances.
From the perspective of someone living a miserable bitter existence in Fillydelphia, or who was enslaved and cannot recover from the emotional (or physical) scars... or who lost their family as a result of Avarice's actions, Celestia's "victimhood" is a joke.
She was miserable because her sister left for a while, but then her sister came back and was healing! Her life is looking up. But countless other lives were ruined from start to finish, with no hope for recovery.
Her fault? Probably not. She was trying to fix everything, to hold everything together, and just failing. The "too big to fail" thing is a shitty comparison because the banks that are too big to fail are doing this for pretty much only their own benefit, rather than simply failing to heal society.
6651493 The crime wasn't being nobles, it was accepting blood money from house avarice.
Which Celestia and Luna did.
For over a thousand years
But it doesn't count because they're apparently above the law.
6651192 nice. that's pretty quick.
yeah, it's a mindfuck.
but it's worth it.
6650886 good luck.
6650942 then you couldn't say you read the lingest FIM story there is
6652022 it's winter and he's got arthritis.
6651192 ha! I started when it was at 700, and finished when it was at 785 (i think). And I remember seeing it back when it was a mere 20 long, and I disregarded it as "not worth my time" to find it the best story I've read, you sir, need to rethink intimidation.
I love my father but he was really never around for me unless it was convenient like a holiday or something like that.. I like bucky, for all his faults he is a good dad. I guess i wish mine wouldnt of walked out on my mother and i. But i know sh*t happens.. Anyways kudz keep up the good work.
I am very happy to see my assumption was wrong
...I think you got the emotional part of it right on the money, I remember when I got into trouble and my parents punished me...my mother would always be the one to yell, to scold and lecture for hours upon hours, she would punish me by the old ways, paddle and all....it hurt. But what hurt more was what my father did. He never yells, never raises his voice. He just sits there with brow furrowed and a grim look in his eyes, looking at me with disappointment, or sometimes forgiveness. That look always killed me, it hurt more than whatever my mother dished out...
Im gonna go cry a bit.