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Dammit kudzu, every time my email alert goes off you have me hoping it's a new chapter of The Chase.
sensed
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I'm... not... sorry!
gotta wonder what twilight is so upset about conscerning celestia.............
5225779 its not the number its how you use them.
and just realized how guns could be made utterly obsolete. an enchant that creates and invisible magnetic barrier around a target that, when a bullet is incoming, creates a magnetic vortex that basicaly slaps away the bullets. simple, effective, and the energy would be somewhat lower than you think cause instead of trying to withstanding you are redirecting.
be a lot more effecient than a barrier that absorbs inertia.
and admtiably got that idea from a movie i watched.
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My bet is on that she explained Twilight why exactly they are there, to make Bucky an alicorn of war.......
Also good chapter, but first i thought Bon-Bon just murdered Bucky when she said he is gone.
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Lead is non ferrous.
5225903 it is less magnetizing the bullet and more generating a field of energy that repels rather than withstands the bullet. magnetism does not just affect magnetic materials. just as eletrcity can affect materials that do not conduct.
5225903 humans can be affected by mangetic energy you know if there is enough being generated. not in the suddenly stuck to something kinda way but affected.
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I can stick refrigerator magnets to my leg. No, not kidding.
Can't get MRI scans any more.
5225971 ........do not know if i wanna know.
5225779 Next up on The Chase: Derpy joins the fray! Under her right leg, Belisama ruins armies with her twin revolvers. Supported by her left; Bon Bon brings to bear her unicorn lovers! This prodigiously potent parade of fur and feathers pierces palisades with perilous prestidigitation and piercing plumbum.
Celestia more than likely did not appreciate how her sun was wrangled and used by Twilight. Oh, and unforeseen consequences, Twilight. You did a nice example of nuclear warfare...without the missiles.
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Several pounds of steel in leg.
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The concrete bunkers filled with tons of gunpowder helped.
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nice alliteration
5225949 You're thinking along the right lines, but your understanding is just slightly flawed*. Humans can be physically affected by a magnetic field, but it's not by virtue of the magnet itself. It's because of the water in our bodies. Water, and a selection of other materials, behave according to a principle called diamagnetism. This is where exposure to a magnetic field will induce a weak, temporary magnetic field in the material that is directly opposite to that of the field source. This will cause the material to repel the source of the field. The most extreme example I've seen demonstrated, and by far the funniest, was a frog being levitated in a very large, very powerful electromagnet.
Now, according to Dr. Google, yes lead exhibits this property. If I'm understanding the numbers correctly, and if they are correct, the magnetic permeability for lead is in fact twice that of water, -1.8 vs -0.9 respectively. However, remember the frog? That required a powerful electromagnet. The frog likely was not launched into the field at around 2000 fps, was only levitated rather than actively repelled, and was only about the size of a half-dollar piece. As for redirecting a bullet that is moving fast and has inertia behind it, I'm guess any magnetic field capable of doing the job would actually require immense amounts of energy to keep up.
* All considered though, I am not exactly an expert. Everything I've said should be taken with a grain of salt.
5225971 if you ever have children.
Your child: "Daddy look what I made!"
*shows you crude children's drawing of Bucky*
You: "Wow! That is pretty awesome! We should stick it to the leg!"
Your child: "Yay!!"
*drawing is stuck to leg via magnet*
5226000 Tell me more. My sleep deprived self must know more. I MUST KNOW MORE!
This just in. Strange white male breaks into local library late at night screaming, "I MUST KNOW MORE! MUST KNOW! MUST KNOW!"
Fluttershy talk was perfect ´till the last atom !
You see, i really like your portrait of Shy. I don´t like her char on the show since she pretty much is a background pony. I already said that but, when the writers actually DO something with her (Filly Vanilly episode) she is great but, most of the time, she is just there, doing nothing. Then you came and made her pretty active. I had conflicting feeling ´bout that. I liked the your portrait but i had conflicts with the show canon in my head. In the end I decided that your version is better, even with this "feeling" that she is not quite the Shy we know from th show.
But here, in this talk, you show EXTREMeLY well the same mare in the show, even if it´s different (since it IS different situation). Less is more, no doubt.
Interesting thing: here Shy is a more phisical char, needing more touch and hugs (like you already stated that pegasus like in this universe) and, somehow, i think it works along with the show´s canon. Shy is not good with words, so she uses more phisical expression to comunicate. Hugs, body language. Very good, very, very good indeed.
And that end...clean is not as much clean as it seems, huh ? Seems that Bucky´s dirty is more clean then we all though...
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That means MOST of the griffons got exterminated by Bucky, my god Bucky did a lot of killing....
And in so MANY of the only about 150 are savable...
What's the original population of the griffons? It seems like Bucky just used a few hours to kill too many of them for that amount of time...
I'm just confused and it keeps bugging me.
Sorry for not paying attention.
5226335 Remember that Bucky, actually, killed only a small portion of then...Twilie was responsible for 70, maybe even 80% of the onslaught. Almost all the ships, every and any flying gryphon and most of the city, alongside the residencial buildings.
Pretty much a hard reset. Hope she did not break the hard drive.
Ah finally someone mentions Twilight's apparent disregard for civilian casualties. Good that was beginning to bother me.
Wonder what Celestia admonished Twilight for. Bad PR?
5226450 most likely she got in trouble for doing bucky's job and for not tricking him inot ascending
5226501 I eager to see what Twilie will say to Celly when they come back from the GDA. It will be the talk of Celestia´s life for sure.
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Fixed that for you. They're very concerned she might have killed a pony or a zebra, but are very unconcerned she might have killed little griffon servants who did nothing wrong, especially given that that sort of casualty definitely happened. Maybe that's why they didn't mention it?
Really... the way that Bucky looks at this conflict is, even with the laughing and the willingness to kill is... probably the healthiest of all the royalty at the moment. The monster who looks his enemies in the eyes. The one who believed he failed the griffons, even the ones that he had to kill because they were too corrupt to live.
Wow, I finally understand now.
Bucky went in and killed a rather small percentage of griffons compared to twilight. But still, that small percentage is A LOT.
While Bucky was killing he saved all the innocent he could, which is that ~150 griffons, zebras, ponies.
But twilight just straight out cleansed the city, no doubt a HUNDRED OR THREE innocent lives were lost, I'm sure Twilight knew, and thought it was a fair price to pay.
If they stayed longer, they can do the slow and bloody of process of cleansing the bad and saving the innocent, but they would risk many lives and The Scorned Mare, a proper attack force may be made in that time, the risk could be pretty high, and with hundreds of innocent, how can they be transported to Equestria safely?
Twilight may have made the right decision...
This really is a different twilight...
Though, I'd prefer the risk.
It could have been intense, they would save the hundreds of innocent, transport them by a hundred to a safe place, Bucky probably would have heard of the base then, go there, liberate and loo- I mean appropriate the supplies, with a new ship in tow, go back to the safe place, sort stuff out, rebuild ship, (possible to find another ship?) with a new ship everyone may be stuffed in there and they would return home.
Just rambling, don't mind me!
Again, apologies for being too stupid to find out.
5226558 Not stupit at all !!! I just came to this conclusion after reading some comments too. Yeah, i´m that slow...it was quite obvious there were thousand of inoccents, servants, slaves and small foals in the city, even in the ships, but only when i read all the comments i undrstood that.
It is VERY interesting how different, how opposite, in a certain manner, Twilight and Bucky worked the problem. Still, not even by a small moment, Bucky though in making any harsh comments towards Twilight. While EEEEEEEEEEEEEVERYPONY just kept saying that Bucky was a monster, that he overreacted, that this was no way to act, bla bla bla...friendship this, friendchip that, to kill is bad, bad bad Bucky.
Again, kudzu, i can understand that Celestia has, quite literally, a WORLD of problems to hand but, sometimes, we just want to say that she would need to go buck herself. With a rusty blade. In the anus.
Or get laid. Maybe all she need is a good laid.
Edit: and what WE need is another update...lots of them !
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Doubt it. She would have gone and told Bucky. Pretty sure she saw Celestia angry that the sun was used as a weapon. Probably something she didn't want the other nations to know. Without formally and openly declaring war on Griffonholm, Celestia - effectively the most important entity in the political world, who maintains the heavens (Even if they only know she controls the sun and not... well, everything) has an unstoppable superweapon that can wipe nations off the map in moments.
That's not the kind of thing that cows everyone into submission. That's the kind of thing that makes everyone ANGRY. Twilight basically fucked up. She didn't know real combat spells so that was all she had. Bucky fucked up because he was supposed to keep her pure and untainted by combat. Both of them failed in their duties and now politics is going to be a bitch. Despite the devil-may-care attitude pretty much 99% of the characters in The Chase seem to exhibit when it comes to politics, it's the forum that decides who lives and dies en masse. It decides where the assassins are sent and whence the armies march to. Nations rise and fall on politics. And only Celestia seems to care about that. Everyone else is too busy with their personal concerns to care about the world stage and the fact that it is -always- just outside their door.
So, I imagine Celestia was livid with how things turned out, and the fact that Twilight has clued everyone in on/reminded everyone of the fact that Equestria isn't just the world's center of peace-projects and attempts to create a better world for everyone, but also has the power to indiscriminately kill them all. Instead of being seen as a stalwart power that isn't a threat so long as it's left alone, no doubt they're starting to see Equestria as some sort of tyranny, because such a weapon was used. Remember what Kudzu told us about why Celestia doesn't use her powers and delegates that sort of thing to soldiers and agents - because she can't influence the world and help guide it towards harmony if they're all cowering in fear of her.
But at the same time, she has plans for Twilight. The Scholar can't be seen as a conqueror. Even moreso than herself, she can't let the world see Twilight as an engine of destruction. That's Bucky's job. To be the stick, while Twilight is the carrot. If they both go down that road in the eyes of the world, then Equestria will essentially be passively oppressing the entire world population. Even without trying to.
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Heh, thanks.
Maybe Kudz should make it a bit more obvious.
I'm sure there are others that still don't understand completely.
*it's
Occasionally when making an omelet, one has to break a few eggs. I'm fairly certain that the innocents suffering so terribly in those parts of the city would have wanted their suffering to end and I would imagine that being vaporized by the intense heat of the sun would be a fairly painless and merciful death.
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I'd like to leave it as implications.
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Damn ninja'ed.
Twilight probably didn't have much of a choice, sure she knows tons of useful spells, but nothing enough to get the job done efficiently, except the Sun.
She probably also knows the consequences of saying :
" byetch, I haz de powah to level yo cities in 10 seconds flat."
Maybe.
I'm still rambling.
5226621 Some notes here. The Mare defenses wouldn´t resist the attack from all those ships, not even with Twilie´s own shields. Sure, there could be alternatives. Those gryphon ships relay in coal burning, a thing that the mare does not need. They could rise the ship to the point there were not enough oxygen to keep the gryphoons ships burning (The Mare have controled atmosphere, i´ve read it somewhere in the last chapters). BUT (and there is always one) we´re talking ´bout non-military non-combat oriented-scared-to-the-shit equines. So to hell with any logical and tactical planning here.
And that brings on what, exactly, Celestia imagined would happen ? My bet is that she had this mental image, where things would gone bad, Bucky would need to defend everybody, alicornification, and, then, wipe out the enemies. Simple and clean.
I REALLY doubt that she, even by a minute, imagined that things would be THAT bad, that 99% of the gryphons would be enemies (so, no, not only kill the army, but, pretty much, wipe out the entire race) or that Bucky would be so stubborn to avoid alicornification that Twilie´s would need to step up and protect herself and her friends.
Actually, Celestia was so wrong with her planning that, even if Bucky had ascended, and Twilie did not need to kill everyone, still, things would be awfull. In the place of a sun-powered wipe out by Twilight, we would have a hatred-powered-ice wipe out by Alicorn of War. And, by no means, that would be any better. Actually, that´s even worse ! In one hand, you have Celestia´s own power, the sun, used by the one that represents her the best, Twilight, to deliver kill. In the other, you have the SolarGodes...scratch that, the LUNAR Godess, and former Nightmare Moon in control of the FUCKING ALICORN OF WAR !!! If this does not scream "love and tolerate or die" in the face of the rest of this world, then i don´t know what would do !
Will Celestia be aware that whatever pushed her towards this plan lied ? Will she understand that her plans are turning things worse ? Will she talk to her booth dear students, trying to understand what´s going on, why the shit hits the fan over and over ?
Keep tunned, to the next chapter ooooooooooooooooof....THE CHASE !!!!!
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Can't tell if you're admonishing them for not caring about the griffons or not, but... Priorities. A bunch of ponies, who've lived with ponies all their lives and only heard about how different Griffons are - who have just had horribly traumatic experiences forced on them by Griffons, can't be expected to fret over Griffons more than ponies - even if logically they know the little griffons are essentially no different than their fellow equines. There'd be something wrong with someone who could do that in a time of crisis and stress and trauma. You look to your own in situations like these, it's the natural response.
Worrying about others who aren't attached to you in some way is a luxury, not something that should be expected. They hadn't even thought about the equines yet to this point, and now they have. Later on, I'm sure they'll sit down and realize that many more servants were also incinerated. Being the soft-hearted beings they are, they'll likely be wounded by these thoughts. But in the end, it was war. You can't cherry-pick who you kill if you want to live. You throw the grenade and hope to god everything that isn't your guys ends up dead, because you want to go home. You place more importance on yourself and others than you do on the enemy, and if you don't - well, that's just going against your own survival instinct and would make that person a liability on any team. Yet I feel anyone who actually understands that war is terrible, but this sort of thing happens and they shouldn't spend their lives feeling horrible about it would probably be wing-slapped despite that being the best way to deal with the situation. Sort of like some sense that people who are being logical at the right times are in the wrong, and the ones emotional at the wrong times are treated as ground-breaking and correct.
If Bucky had gone and cleansed everything on foot that Twilight vaporized, he would have eventually died when he ran out of magic or stamina, they would have just dogpiled him and tore his armor off. Or the Scorned Mare would have been shot down. Or the enemy would have escaped and regrouped somewhere else. So the whole being the monster that looks the enemy in the eye bit SOUNDS nice, but it's sentimental tripe that's just borderline suicidal in an actual combat situation. The only reason he -could- look them in the eye is because of his armor. Anyone else would have been shot to hell, so we can't congratulate Bucky for that or say he's doing better than the others when the others would have died if they tried what you praised him for. Twilight fucked up by doing what she did, this is true. But as far as combat efficacy goes, she did the right thing - something Bucky would have preferred doing on foot, which would have turned out badly. That sort of emotional quandary gets you and your loved ones killed when the other guy already has his gun out and is quite intent on making sure you die.
To present a thought-project counterpoint that sums this up:
Your enemy has his gun out, and he's standing behind a selection of women and children. You have a pistol, and the detonator to an explosive that's sat next to him. Behind you is your family... your spouse, your children, your friends. Do you take the time to try and aim between the innocents before he fires and hope to everything that's sacred that you despite the time spent aiming you're faster and more accurate than he is? Or do you trigger the explosive, ending the threat to what's most important to you and taking out the innocents he was using as a shield at the same time? Only two choices, anything else is irrelevant to the example and point I'm trying to make.
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But that was also the plan. This isn't even Celestia's plan, remember that she gets this sort of destiny-revelation from the Creator of All Things, her parent. The plan was (as Celestia understands it) that Bucky ascend, and as War Itself, he would put an end to all wars. "We have Bucky. We will not use the Bucky. Unless you try to kill us/each other. Bucky cannot be defeated. He is literally unstoppable. Assassins and politics do not matter in the face of Bucky. Armies do not matter." Carrot and the stick, as I said. Twilight offers everyone friendship and the way to a better tomorrow, as envisioned by Celestia and the other royals. The ones who would rather destroy the land and the world and each other and Equestria instead find Bucky going door to door and handing out pamphlets about how badly their asses will be wrecked if they don't stop all that foolishness. Preferably with a nice bottle of beer and a basket of assorted cheese.
For that matter, remember, we don't know if the Creator is lying or if the Fates are. We see The Chase from the perspective of the characters. It's easier for us to believe The Fates because they're rebels against authority and they make a point of trying to appear mortal and helping out with mortal concerns, like saving Bucky's kids from potentially dying in childbirth or something.
But that doesn't mean they're on the level (in fact, if I was going to manipulate someone into going along with my selfish and twisted schemes, that is how I would do it - do good things for them and appear to be the one in the right even though I'm certainly crooked and evil with what I'm doing). And it doesn't mean that, even if the Creator actually does want everything destroyed - that they're wrong and it shouldn't happen for the greater good. For all we know, since the whole mechanism of the cosmos was broken and basically being held together by the duct tape that is Celestia's sacrifice, suffering, soul, and life-force, it might be grinding down until it can't be recovered even by the Creator. Maybe it needs to all be wiped out so a fresh one can be made, rather than damning the future for the petty concerns of transient mortals who are largely unimportant compared to the greater cosmos and/or universe.
I think finding that out is going to be something very big, and I'm eager to see the outcome.
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Makes me wonder how many interesting things like this I missed....
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Celly don goofed, she didn't know how bad the situation was. Really not good planning there...
Did she even know that the griffons were planning a giant attack on Equestria before sending our heroes to deal with it?
Oh wait, the plan was from the Creator... Still, Celly didn't question this shit plan?
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Celestia had no clue that the griffons were preparing for a massive invasion and securing a new homeland.
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All Fates and destiny manipulators are BITCHES.
5225903 .
A mineral Mage would make lead, or any other kind of metallic shell, useless. Mineral Mages are able to tap into ebb and flow of the minerals around them. They can make the minerals take shape, create walls, and even become projectiles. If there is one of them then bullets would be worthless, or they would be if the Mineral Mage could gleam what kind of mineral the bullet (specifically the projectile) was made of. That would be the downside. If the shot went off before the Mineral Mage could detect it then it could take them out of the equation... Anyway, Good chapter.
RJP
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Would you question the god you pray to if they looked you in the eye? Here's proof they exist. Here they are, creating the universe, putting stars in the sky, making planets. They take time out of their eternity of work to tell you how to do a good job - which is just what you wanted to do. Would you say, "O Mighty Being Beyond All Understanding, your plan smells like shit and I hate it." When you acknowledge you can't possibly understand their mind and how far ahead they can plan. Things that seem horrible now might turn out to be the only path to true peace and happiness for the future.
Can you imagine standing before a being like that? Something so vast that you can't comprehend it, just getting a feeling of how small you are in relation to everything that ACTUALLY matters. To have them LOOK at you, focus some infinitesimal fraction of their boundless consciousness upon you for a moment to divulge a plan that goes beyond everything you know. As humans, we seek something solid that we can trust - something unshakable so that we don't have to be concerned with doubting it. Many of us turn to religion for that reason, because a strong enough faith (generated by adherence to that religion) creates that pillar of strength inside of us, that thing which is iron at the core to fill the void. A signpost, a moral compass. The definition of right and wrong, the meaning of all things.
And then there you are, looking right at the one thing whose very existence proves that all those things you were yearning for are actually real, and that it is trying to help you. I look at things with logic as much as possible, but coming face to face with a being like that, the sort of feeling that has to generate, I would not hesitate to do what Celestia is doing. If there's one thing you could trust to know more and be more than yourself - it's the immaculate and arcane being who paints existence itself that made the earth you stand on and put you there by its own design.
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Norns! Norns everywhere! Creeping, crawling, peeping, changing! Chittering, chittering in the dark! Madness.
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Of his strength.
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I'll address your hypothetical example, sure... and I'll take it at face value like you asked: I detonate the explosives, saving my family for certain. I make the choice that's right for me.
Do I then pretend the innocents didn't exist, or they are somehow the bad guys? Do I lament I didn't have the skills or the abilities to save everyone, or just say "screw those other people they were in the way of my safety", now that I am safe? RD and Rarity didn't. Their heart goes out to those who are punished who were not fighting them. Unless they weren't equine. Then they simply didn't exist. Griffons who don't match the idea of the brutal oppressors, who would never surrender and are inexcusably horrible weren't killed by those explosions, but heaven help if a pony or zebra does.
I suppose you're right, though, it's an understandable reaction that they wouldn't be able to see the victims that are uncomfortably similar to the instigators. Doesn't make it the best reaction they could be having, but it is a reasonable and understandable one.
And... yeah. Twilight saved Bucky a lot of trouble and danger having to slaughter the city by himself, but at the direct cost of potentially innocent lives. Ones she didn't even consider existing at the time. And she didn't do it because she felt like it was the only way to be sure and was thinking clearly, she did it in a rage of vengeance for them failing to kill her and her friends. They already defended themselves, and gotten to safety, but like Celestia during the civil war, she lost her temper and decided that everyone was to be punished for those actions. Even if her actions in retrospect were very pragmatic, that was not the reason she made the decision to do this.
Bucky seems to be the royal that has the attitude that he did what he had to do, not what was right, and that having to resort to such a broad level of culling represented a long-term failure on Equestria's part... Celestia wanted Bucky to punish them and make them miserable them until they lost the will to fight (causing this disaster again later when they recovered because they were not invited into a new society), Luna wanted them exterminated, and Twilight's in over her head and still coming to a conclusion, although I suspect she will agree with Bucky.
Fuck off, Celestia. Your rashness and you pacifist view always gets in the way and than ponies or other sentient creatures get harmed by your mistakes. You can rule quite well in peace, but stay out of conflict...you'll just make things worse.
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Oh, I agree. It's not the most moralistic choice one could make... but it is a realistic one, and we can't judge people based on ideals that just aren't... practical, especially with so much on the line. Likewise with Dash and Rarity... they're already distraught over the potential equine lives lost. But they have a frame of reference for those equine lives, being equine themselves. Herbivorous, peace-loving, hooves. There's something in common there enough to grant the image of humanity/equinity to them, rather than the brutes who prey on them - if the 'enemy' can be said to be griffons, then some part of you is going to say 'the griffons are dead' - but you can look at the little griffons less as griffons and more like yourself, because they are literally right in front of you and just as much a victim as you feel yourself to be, essentially granting the ones you can see 'equine status'. I do see you understand my meaning.
Still, I must point out that despite the reasons for it, Twilight's actions were tactically sound and technically saved Bucky's life, as well as the lives of everyone on the Mare. If Bucky had done things the way you praised him for without her rageshift-intervention, they would all be dead unless some sort of timely contrivance appeared at the last moment, which isn't something they can count on.
As for punishing them, I can see why Celestia would want that. She did not know they were infected/poisoned and creating such a vast and terrible army. We can't really judge that plan based on just what we've seen, when the character is shown to be planning for the future at all times. If the Griffons could be put off the idea of warring until she'd perfected the sort of global and harmonious society she's been trying to create all this time, then there would -be- a place to integrate them into. Likewise, having Bucky ascend would pretty much put everyone off warring, because you can't make war on War Incarnate. Without all the blood-feuding there's the open door for everyone to eventually come together and live with one another harmoniously. Maybe centuries from that point, but that -is- the goal.
Luna, I can also completely understand her point of view. Rather than look ahead as Celestia does, Luna looks at the now and short-term future. "They attacked us before, they're doing it again. We should drive them extinct so what's most important to us (our ponies) don't have to suffer at their claws." Her way also has merit. It is a potential positive resolution to the conflict. Morally speaking, it's reprehensible - but morals do not and should not exist during times of immediate crisis. The people who hesitate are the ones you're stepping over, cold on the ground.
That said, Bucky is insane enough that he's actually worrying about those morals in said situation. This is unnatural and only possible due to his level of power and defensive ability. Also, it's just generally a bad idea that could have wound up getting everyone killed. And literally would have if Twilight had not stepped up and done the unthinkable. Much like how the show writers have Fluttershy being a bad friend and then everything turns out in the writing to make her right in the end - the fact Bucky saved all these griffons means that his unnatural viewpoint will be seen as the right one, even though the fact remains he almost got them all killed, as well as his family, and the Elements, for the sake of that morality. That is not something I can excuse, as a man who has been in far too many life or death situations than I care to have been.
In the end, Twilight will likely agree with him due to this. Choosing effectively 'heart' over Celestia's 'mind' and Luna's 'body' ideological foundations. Hopefully at some point this sort of dumping of logic will backfire appreciably, and allow Bucky/Twilight to grow by taking on Celestia and Luna's viewpoints and merging their own with them to create some sort of unified whole, strengthening them for the best.
Hmm Twilight is telling Celista to pluck off eh? Should be interesting to see what happens when they return. I hope Twilight gets wed soon she needs to calm down and get balanced out after some nice nookie.
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Can't breathe...
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Aww, but half the fun of these things is breaking them!
Anyway, I'd take aim while my family draws their weapons. Even if he shoots one of us, the others will take him out, and then proceed to hunt down all his remaining family to the 100th generation.