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Yes... So much yes... Wuna got spanked by barley... Bad filly... Bad fillys sit in the corner... It's priceless. When she's back to normal no one is going to forget this
Hmm... he's having consistent headaches lately... that's not good.
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Which is why Derpy was relieved when Barley said Luna would be sleeping with him. Derpy knows that Luna needs some sense of normalcy, however odd normal might be right now.
Edit: She also knows that Barley can be trusted to do the right thing.
God damn, can someone get a smack cam video going, because Pina just got herself backhanded! Damn~
Somehow Sombra's shadow got back into Bucky's head.
This is....odd. Luna's being treated like a kid, when she's truely an adult. That's some of the highest disrespect you can get. Her mind is STILL adult, not a kid. Something like this can REALLY fuck up a persons mind when put into a situation that you're just flat out ignored and powerless.
5966415 Or you know he could be having a regular headache from stress and other things?
Bullshit. That's because there wasn't any other option. There are other options available now, the whole point of a herd is to have enough mothers to watch after the foals. Not to foist foals off on other foals, disrupting their own emotional growth, health, and need for privacy as they sort their lives out and attend to their education. That's damaging, irresponsible, and not just a little bit lazy. They already volunteered to help with the workload of caring for the younger foals' needs, and have been doing that without being asked. It's fucking wrong to just thrust more onto them than they didn't have to accept in the first place, since it's not their responsibility and is the responsibility of the adults who made the decisions that led to the foals to begin with.
They have their own responsibilities and they need to attend to those, pushing your responsibilities off on them doesn't make them better people or assist in their development, and trying to GUILT them into taking on more than they're ready for or signed up for is emotionally stunting from a psychological standpoint. I really don't like when Berry's off mothering by herself, she needs to be wing-slapped at times like this, as Pina brought up very valid points that Berry was NOT thinking of them and their needs so much as just what she and whichever other adults decided they wanted. Why not put them in the big room with the adults, because it's disruptive? Well, putting them in the room with the other children is /disruptive to those children/. Not winning any Mother of the Year awards here, Berry. She's also making these decisions and arguments without doing physical labor, which means her brain's not operating to capacity. ... Which explains a lot.
Her guilt-trip argument there basically boils down to, "I could have just left you to die or put you up for adoption, so you should do this for me." That's neither Pina's fault, responsibility, or debt she owes. That was all due to the decisions and flaws of life and adulthood which led to a situation where Berry had to be the only one to properly take care of her. There's Derpy, Berry, Bon Bon, Lyra, Thistle, and Belisama - they made the decisions to look after so many foals and have more on the way, demanding and guilting other children into disrupting their own lives to do things for them that are their own responsibilities and not those of the children is wrong. It's one thing to help look after one's younger siblings, another when you have to upend your one sanctuary and the vital need for privacy as a growing child/pre-teen/teen/young adult due to something that adults decided and can take care of on their own but don't apparently feel like.
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They're still treating her like a child. Regardless of horse-biology and different culture here, on a sapient level I've seen people reduced to hypersensitive emotional wrecks after getting a child-like treatment for too long. Two of them I've had to hear killed themselves when I wasn't in a position to do anything about it due to absence. Be careful with this, please - this situation might be played for cuteness or a different look at things or even some laughs, but the situation itself isn't a joke, and the potential effects are more harmful than this lot seems to realize.
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Getting a kid drunk is not really a good idea, the alcohol might damage the developing brain or liver. Even if her spirit is older the body still not in the state to be intoxicated. I agree with Barley 100% with not giving her strong drink.
I'm not expert on the issue, so its merely my opinion about it
Edit: also being powerless might help her relax even more than drinks, having no responsibility and duties, she just need to chill and enjoy it as much as she can
Dang. I go try to have a life and you go and sic an obese demon on Canterlot and begin the Woona Chronicles. Happy Mother's Day.
As for typos, we're going to need more corners...
This makes no sense under any definition of the word "sum."
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5966532 Ya, no. Half the wives are going through terrible pains as they get more pregnant. Bucky is sparsely available and tries what he can to get what few loving moments can be squeeze out of his schedule for all his children. Put into account that the other herd, which is full of teenagers, are also damaged and recovering means that having some sisters move into their room isn't going to kill them. Probably won't even destroy their lives as Pina made it out to be. It'll be a slight obstacle, yes. Will it be a big change, yes. But it won't fucking stunt their growth to have the little ponies move in with them. SMH
Oh, a certain dreamscolded apple farmer will enjoy this...
I guess they try to teach The High Mistress Luna humility or something like that, but isn't the whole situation traumatizing enough for her? I think they are overdoing it a little. She is there for recovery, like Diamond Tiara was. Yes, she has to fit in and accept some rules, but she isn't an infant like Cadence, she is a relatively big foal with a fully developed adult mind.
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Well, the foals gave them a finger by doing foalcare without being told so and now the adults are taking the whole hand for granted. Metaphorically speaking.
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That probably not. But talking to them and not deciding over their head would have been nice.
5966660 What would there have been to talk about? Where else are they going to put the fillies? Why not with their big protective sisters?
5966532 I think the point Berry was trying to say was that she voluntarily changed her life to look after her little sister, and Pina should learn to do the same. Others made sacrifices for her, and she's old enough to start making sacrifices for others instead of always butting heads to force things to be her way.
Remember, this whole confrontation started because she wouldn't let her younger siblings go to bed simply because she refused to do her homework anywhere else.
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THIS!
Well, yes. This. But Berry is also at fault.
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Hear Pina's and Dinky's arguments against it and make the arguments Berry made now earlier on. They probably would have accepted it better if they at least felt like they had a say in this. Right now, they are being snotty because they don't feel respected.
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I'm speaking from first-hand and a great deal of second-hand experience from observation in an advisory position. Yes, it would. Barring a total shift in personality and absolute acceptance of the situation and thus re-arranging their life and schedule for accommodations, a child's mental growth and development can be shifted and thus entirely stunted from having untenable responsibility shoved off on them, especially in a situation where it's something important an adult can handle themselves. Which in a more intelligent and somewhat more emotionally mature child can result in a great deal of resentment towards family, including and especially the younger child whose care has been forced on them.
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Aye, thus my outrage for how Berry is handling this. It's one thing if it was absolutely impossible for the adults to handle this on their own and came to Pina and Dinky for assistance, and that the lot of them decided together this was the best/only way. That way the girls would have a greater amount of personal acceptance of the situation. Instead it's just "this is happening, deal with it" and then a petty guilt trip bringing up some debt Pina doesn't even owe after she makes extremely valid points that Berry can't say is wrong.
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Yes. This is true.
5966712 XD You make it sound like they're getting talked into slave work! Haven't they been taking care of those fillies anyway? What exactly is it that'll hurt them by sharing a room with them? They are old enough for their own room. They won't be getting up in the middle of the night with shit all over their bed and crying to be changed. This is like getting an unexpected roommate, not gaining a unexpected daughter that you solely have to take care of.
Calm down.
5966709 They don't feel respected? Really, those two don't feel like their family respects them? Okay, no, emotions can be wacky. I get it. But, seriously, molding out the others as if they're inconsiderate jerks? They aren't loosing all that much here, why go so far?
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You're only relating hypotheticals that lack substance, however. Analogies. None of that takes into consideration child psychology, an understanding of the way a mind works, social considerations, growth and development, or the personalities and experiences of Pina and Dinky.
The girls are being wronged, not simply because there are younger children to take care of - but because of how Berry is handling this. THAT is what is wrong about this situation, the force. The lack of input. Berry has tacitly acknowledged this by not being able to say Pina is wrong and only being able to result to guilt. Even Kudzu has pointed this out. There's a big difference in helping feed and change their little sisters and then having them in their one sanctuary and having to change what little private comfort they have around to accommodate something they didn't even have a say in.
For an in-story look at this issue, rather than going off of my experiences and knowledge, look at Sentinel. He has his own private cubby hole, and that is his sanctuary. It is important to him. Likewise, it is typically the same for most people, regardless of age. In many ways, lacking that pillar of stability and privacy that is only violated by permission and acceptance denies a person of something they need (especially as they develop) that has to be made up for in other ways. And not always pleasantly for oneself or those around them, oftentimes the person doesn't even realize they've developed a personality flaw from that lack. The mind is far more complicated and fragile than people let themselves believe.
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I said right now they don't feel respected. Regarding this particular topic.
It was decided over their head that they are mature enough to care for their little sisters, but not mature enough to be heard in the discussion. That's contradictory.
Also, they just would have needed to have the feel that they decided to let Harpy and Sukari join them. Berry is smart, she can pull that off.
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That is the point Berry's trying to make, I came to that understanding myself. That also does not mean her point is right. The logic behind it is practically nonsensical, as her hardships simply don't apply in this current situation and the relative need to enforce those upon Pina in the same manner rather than some more acceptable form is lost. Thus the problem lies with Berry, her own level of understanding (as well as her current viewpoint in regards to the children) and Isles upbringing. ... This could probably be solved by having a treadmill in a corner where she could make decisions on while power-cantering.
It may not be addressed just yet in the story, but I feel part of Berry's problem is that her comprehension of the girls' personalities and mental needs is lagging behind their actual rate of growth. The all-too-common majority issue of parents not treating their offspring as being at the stage of development that they're actually at and the appropriate amount of respect that would otherwise come with it. Be it because it's simply easier to deal with the idea of a child who can never be correct or think for itself with any proficiency or because they've been used to them being at that level for so long it's become habit to treat them that way, usually requiring some form of intellectual shock to show them the difference.
Berry's experience with children comes from raising Pina and I think helping raise Dinky. So now that she has teenagers, and Pina's up to... what? Pre-teen? Somewhat mentally more mature for her age regardless, Berry has to realize that she's completely in a learning phase once again. This is outside her experience. Treating them somewhat as adults in terms of respect of who they are and what is theirs would probably be for the best. Though the herd doesn't exactly have a good track record of treating non-supplicant adults all that respectfully at times, either. Hrm.
Basically, everything's a mess and everyone needs to start learning how they can make it better for each other. This includes the adults.
To be fair...she's a foal that's thousands of years old...
5966802 Okay, physiologically, they've dealt with a lot less privacy in the shetlands so that's not exactly an excuse. They've dealt with more intolerable things and have come out the ponies they are today. It won't hurt for them to go to the library to get that privacy anyway, like berry said.
They won't be stunted by this, they'll do the logical thing and work around it and embrace it. I won't defend Berry, she went pretty far with that last one, but it's again, not something that can't be talk over. In the end this is all momentary drama that will result with the girls having to deal with it. And who knows if it'll even be a permanent thing. Feels like to me this was just the convenient answer to freeing up the nursery for the new foals/cubs.
By the end of all this, Dinky and Pina won't become mentally damaged by this. If they do then how pathetic. Me, I've had to share a room with a brother for most of my life. Then he moved off and I had my own room to myself. Now it can be argued, but in no way am I a psychological mess. Both parties are in the wrong here, lets just see how it plays out. And maybe not over react, eh? I can be a real hypocrite by say this, but jesus, this isn't even a major plot arc we're talking about. It's a minor change in the status quo. :/
5966802 Okay, really, they've dealt with a lot less privacy in the shetlands so that's not exactly an excuse. They've dealt with more intolerable things and have come out the ponies they are today. It won't hurt for them to go to the library to get that privacy anyway, like berry said.
They won't be stunted by this, they'll do the logical thing and work around it and embrace it. I won't defend Berry, she went pretty far with that last one, but it's not something that can't be talk over. In the end this is all momentary drama that will result with the girls having to deal with it. And who knows if it'll even be a permanent thing. Feels like to me this was just the convenient answer to freeing up the nursery for the new foals/cubs.
By the end of all this, Dinky and Pina won't become mentally damaged by this. If they do then how pathetic. Me, I've had to share a room with a brother for most of my life. Then he moved off and I had my own room to myself. Now it can be argued, but in no way am I a psychological mess. Both parties are in the wrong here, lets just see how it plays out. And maybe not over react, eh? I can be a real hypocrite by say this, but jesus, this isn't even a major plot arc we're talking about. It's a minor change in the status quo. :/
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No, they won't be psychologically damaged.
But the whole point is, this could have been handled much smoother if one or two adults took Dinky and Pina aside and discussed it with them instead of just telling them the decision. Of course, this discussion would have been calm, but somewhat steered with the set goal of getting them to decide themselves to take their little sisters in. But no forcing and no guilt-tripping, that's contraproductive.
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What is more effective, making them feel good and mature by letting them come to the conclusion that sacrificing a little bit for their siblings isn't so bad or making them feel bad and immature by lecturing them on the same topic in a guilt-tripping manner?
It was Thistle that delivered the news, not Berry... keep this in mind.
5966900 And that's where I draw a blank and direct you to the guy running this whole joint. *Points at the kudz* I'm just the redish orange pony dude man.
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As I recall, Thistle said that 'the decision was made that etc.'. There was a discussion, and I'm pretty sure Berry was part of it.
And to Thistle's credit, she did try to pander to Pina's and Dinky's helpful side by saying that they need their help, but I think that fell onto barren ground after they had already heard and seen that the decision was already made.
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Background info! Berry had no say in the matter. It was actually the alpha that made the decision.
5966985 And so the plot thickens. Will this revelation damage Dinky's mental state? Will she become stunted and therefore suffer from knowing that her mother made a decision without her consent? Find out, on the next.... (Fuck it) PonyBall Z!
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So both Thistle and Berry tried to ease the impact of Derpy's decision.
Ok, I was too hard on Berry in this case.
Still, deciding over Dinky's and Pina's head was not the route that promised to be the most conflict-free, Derpy.
I think they might have hurt themselves with this. When D,P&S decided they wanted to be more helpful by taking care of their little siblings they almost walked into this decision themselves. They showed that they WANTED the responsibility. i'm kinda surprised that didn't come up.
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What would be a bad sentence from Bucky then ???
5966985 Typos CAN be stood in a corner...Just name your kid "Typos," LOL
5967513 same thing but with typos.
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Did you forget this is the father known for having foals work themselves to exhaustion? Dinky had to levitate something - possibly the wood for their airship (it's been awhile) - on her own while they dragged it back, and Pina had to drag him in a sleigh. Granted, he allowed Pina to cheat, but the precedent is set.
Really, going for the bitchy guilt trip?
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