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Ask for help, Celestia dammit, Sparkler !!!! Just ask for help !!! Remember Dinky´s outburst in The Isles !!! All you need is ask !!!
...and, now, I can finally sleep...
... Remind me again, what does Berry actually do?
Sparkler, if I'm not mistaken, is basically the top cop for all of Ponyville, yes? When she comes home, she deserves to be able to relax and not have to worry about crap. If Loch was so upset about the mess, why wasn't she doing anything about it? For that matter, Rising voiced a perfectly reasonable complaint/question and now he knows for sure she didn't meant for it to happen. Bon Bon and Berry have no business being upset with him for presenting such a thing to his wife.
Ripple trains with the Raptors, but doesn't seem to have any regularly scheduled duties except when asked of her. Why wasn't she helping? Where does she get off yelling at Sparkler? Is it because Sparkler's a unicorn and they expect her to magic it all away for them all the time? She's obviously not the only one contributing. No one blames Rising because he's busy - yet it's not okay for Sparkler even though she's also busy?
So far it seems like everyone is making this out to be Sparkler and Rising's fault, even though they're the two under the most pressure and doing the most work out of their little family unit, and it seems like Bucky's wives are coddling Loch over it simply because they sympathize with her, which is favoritism. You can't have favoritism in a herd, it gets ugly fast. Yet, I find this so hypocritical because Berry doesn't really do anything normally so she has plenty of time to help keep the place clean, who is she to cast blame?
Seriously, there's not even a hint that Loch's gotten talked down to or a lecture or slapped, despite the fact she doesn't actually /do/ anything and isn't keeping the place clean. Foal's not born yet and she can't even be showing at this point, so she can easily be off her plot and getting things done for the members in her family who actually do important and trying things. I love Berry and Bon Bon, but at the same time they're my least favorite Bucky-wives, and this is why. Lyra, at least, would likely be more understanding and actually help them get started on doing what they needed to do on their own terms. Actually BE helpful by helping them figure out how to best manage time and efforts, taking into account what else they do in their lives.
I don't see how slapping Sparkler is any sort of help that Loch asked for, so Berry did that on her own and didn't actually help the situation like was asked of her. Just assigned blame, struck a young mare, and walked out with vague insults to hygiene.
At this point Sparkler actually needs to put her hoof down and stand up for herself, she is being treated unfairly, and accepting it or letting them walk away as though they've won some contest is just saying that they were right and she was wrong about everything. Ripple, Bittersweet, and Loch do less work than Sparkler does, and if there's still a mountain of garbage and stains with THREE ponies out of five who do less work than the two, that is literally not the minority's fault under any circumstances.
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This is not done unfolding.
And Ripple has done something. Ripple tries. It is difficult, slow, and time consuming to do everything by hoof for a pegasus.
The issue here is, Sparkler and Rising Star both have excessive amounts of magic. They could make all of this effortless, much like Bucky and Lyra do, and save the others the trouble. It is a matter of time management. Loch Skimmer could spend twenty minutes trying to sweep the floor... Sparkler could have it done in two minutes while she is reading a book or eating. The lesson here is practicality and that this whole mess could be avoided.
As for Berry... let's see... running multiple businesses including the brewery with Barley, looking after the house, looking after the foals, looking after Bucky, being the pony that everybody runs to when something is wrong, and managing the finances. Just to name a few things.
Don't worry... Loch Skimmer is going to be run through the wringer as well. Everypony gets to be miserable!
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And no... Berry Punch did not handle this as well as she could have.
That's sort of the point. She's handling it better than Bon Bon, and that's saying something, because Bon Bon is usually the level headed one. It is intended to be a mess.
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That's still making an expectation of the unicorns to do all the housework for them. They should get off their butts and do it themselves. If it's time-sensitive, or they're not busy or dead-tired, then they can toss in the spells and magic to make it all easier. The idea that a unicorn should do it all the time so no one else ever has to is just lazy, really. Expecting to be lazy for nothing is wrong in my eyes - especially considering that Loch seems to lack deep work ethic like the rest of her herd has.
Yeah, Berry's bits are based around time-on-demand, not consistent works that take up massive blocs of time and have her running all over Ponyville or doing labor that's strenuous for her mentally or physically. She's still in no position to judge.
But, as you said, that's the point. She is in the wrong, and has not actually helped the situation. Nor is coddling Loch just because she's weepy helping, especially since that's against the whole... mare empowerment thing Berry's got going. Got a weepy pegasus who doesn't seem to lift a hoof to help herself or her family not being schooled and told to mare up. It'll be cathartic to see her get her due.
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The only reason she is handling it better than Bon Bon is because, as Berry said, Bon Bon would likely kill somepony with her words now.
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There is a point to be made here though. And in this point, Berry is right.
It never needs to get this bad. If the house was cleaned, and there was a tiny mess, it would take Sparkler or Rising Star moments to sort it out. The mess is gone in moments, the house is clean, and life goes on. If the house stays clean, those few moments of effort a day are no big deal. The issue, as Berry sees it, is that the mess has become too large.
See, Berry is basing her judgment on how things work in her OWN house and trying make it extend to how things should work in the pigsty. If there is a mess, Bucky or Lyra usually step in and make short work of it because it is so easy for them. If Bucky or Lyra isn't there, then somepony else does it the hard way. With Derpy down, with Lyra and Bon Bon gone off to their store, that usually falls on Berry's shoulders, so she looks after things, even as pregnant as she is. If she needs help for a particularly large mess, Semillon or Barley might step in. Or as of more recently, Broom or Door.
Please note I am not defending Berry's behaviour, but I am explaining her reasoning.
Berry got pissed off because of Sparkler's accusations of being privileged and having servants. That is clearly not the case. Berry comes from poverty and is a working class pony... so the accusation hurt her just as much as her slap hurt Sparkler. Tit for tat. And no, she wasn't right for doing it, but we're working with flawed characters here, and each character is being true to their flaws.
If you're mad at Berry, you are going to be super pissed at Ripple.
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Bon Bon has hormonal rage going on. She's all jacked up on fertility drugs and hormones. She is the Estrogen Bomb and she's feeling super bitchy.
Agh, real emotional issues and life challenges. It hurts my heart to read. I understand all too well.
Yay? Yay. Viva La Chase.
5949741 They are teenagers though, you have to remember that. I'm sure you are/were kinda lazy like that. Especially if you had the freedom to be.
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...They must make use of this new Superweapon. Send her a the portal, Deafen the Earth Ponies there and leat her drop the Expletive Bomb on the Mirror Travelers.
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And this right here, is what caused this problem.
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My room was always a mess as one. My room always still is a mess, but a much cleaner one. I mainly do not clean up because when I do, I cannot find shit as it is no longer where I normally kept it.
Feck me... I wake up to this. I am berry pleased
Sparkler gets bitch slapped by berry for trash talk. This is parenting done right people.
5949741 part of it all is the way they are not perfect. This is why I like the fic. Real life issues
In my case my room is part my storage space. Office and work lab (phones and computers)
I have boxes on the floor. Shelves ect... I'm one of those who consider organized mess to be good.
My mother who in share the house with doesn't see it that way... Sometimes when I'm off to a trip for few days I come back to find my room cleansed. Not clean... Cleansed... The chaos is gone and it takes me days to find stuff.
By myself I clean from time to time... So many hair balls
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What does being a teenager have to do with it? There are kids whose parents don't ride them who just don't like a mess and have the free time to keep everything neat and orderly. Teenagers who work hard to stay spic and span for their health. Even more adults who are absolutely atrocious and disgusting.
My point is, that the people who could be doing something about it or to help are the ones complaining and doing nothing to assist in the matter/making it worse. While the one who's a fraggin' top-brass cop in a town full of war refugees is the one getting chewed out, dumped on, and and bitched at over it. Her age has nothing to do with it, she's frankly an adult - and yet after keeping the town safe every day, she comes home and the members of her family who... don't do anything, don't have the house clean and expect her to do all that, too. SHE should be the one complaining. It's one thing to expect her to help, but this is too much.
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I'm aware they're not perfect, that's why I'm pointing out what they're doing wrong in this situation and how it's unfair to Sparkler that she's the one getting the brunt of everything despite her and Rising being the most bogged-down ponies in their family. I can't see anyone defending Berry Punch or Bon Bon, or even Loch and Ripple. The way they've acted so far is based on their OWN views and perspectives of a situation, where they are assigning outward blame and no blame for themselves. Loch complains things are messy - why don't we see Loch doing any work, she doesn't have a job last I checked. All that free time while three of the members of the family put themselves at risk on a daily/semi-daily basis.
My basic point is that everyone has fucked up, and that includes the adults. The problem so far is how horribly skewed they are in assigning blame for said fuck-ups. If I busted my ass every day and ran myself ragged, come home to a pigsty and get yelled at by everyone who could have been cleaning it for not doing it all myself, I'd have walked and forced them to have to handle it on their own and not come back until they realized the depth of their mistake for taking no blame or responsibility of their own.
I have a strong sense of and aversion to injustice, and I think it's even worse for Berry and Bon Bon to be like this since they're meant to be the responsible and experienced ones, rather than getting all emotional and acting as they have, they should be the ones stopping to think about exactly what's wrong and who all is at fault, and how to best handle the situation instead of flying off the handle. That is their failure and their kids have not earned that level of hostility. That's not good parenting at all, and I hope they'll learn from this and grow as mothers.
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Loch has a job. Med lifting. EMS.
.... Rising is a Fey. A fucking fey! His power exceeds his wife's to a hellish extent. He couldn't bother to... I don't know... Incinerate the trash! That would fix half the problem already, then all you'd have to do is use a few brain cells to control a mop and broom to clean everything else up. RisingStar, I get it. Government and all that shit, but you could clean everything in a second. You're power is gigantic! Fucking hell! And he has two mares nagging in his ear to clean up. That's not laziness. That's full on neglect of how your wives feel. Please tell me Rising gets shit on hard. Because... Mmmm, this feels like it's being left for the ladies to deal with and it pisses me the fuck off.
Now that /that/ rant is over, Peekaboo was blue this entire time?! It's been a month or two since I remember reading about her coat color... that threw me so far off I nearly died from the cute. Blue is my third favorite color... therefore Peekaboo is best pony. There is no argument here. Merely me stating facts. :P
Edit: Gonna start an anti- RisingStar club if anyone wants to join. That pony needs to be revoked from office. Neglectful politicians are corrupt politicians. :/
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Is it a daily job? Does it take up most of her time she's not in school, or just when she's on call?
5949899 I know ya pain about leaving and coming back to find all your stuffed moved around in the name of someone elses standards of cleanlyness.
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Motherhood. You start with babies and learn as you go. As you gain skill and get better, the baby grows up and you both enter new phases together.
Except in this case, Berry, who never really had foals other than her little sister, jumps right into the moody teenager stage with NO experience. Mistakes will be made.
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Almost every afternoon. Come spring she will do the dawn brigade in the mornings again. Job school job sleep.
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Everyone has their part to do around the home and no one is doing it. Considering there's... four such ladies, why does the fact that four of them aren't doing their share not make you upset but the one guy who does more work than all of them already not doing it all himself on top of that pisses you off? Just because he could blow a wad of mana and get it done in a couple of minutes?
Let's say he does that on top of everything else he has to do, his work with a god which will affect the entire world, improving life in Ponyville, and preparing to lead the common people of Equestria which will affect... well, the entire future of Equestria based on how good or bad of a job he does. What does that leave his wives to do? That just means they'd be the lazy ones when they're at home. Being part of a family means you work for the family, you do what you can do and don't just shove it all off on one person just because it's easier for them so you can loaf around and enjoy yourself.
Everyone is at fault, but out of the five, Rising and Sparkler have the least reason to be singled out for all of this as if it was entirely their fault.
5950035 Well it was stated that Rising doesn't have to sleep, and that they don't really talk as much.. They just shag and sleep. Instead of looking after his own needs every night he could have at least taken off one night of shagging to clean up a bit and talk to his wives. And Kudzu keeps telling you over and over that everyone is making mistakes right now. Berry, Rising, Bonnie, Sparkler, they're all at fault right now.
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You're saying that having sex is his needs... not everyone's needs? Rather than repeating to me something I've already said many times over and have completely shown I agreed with and have even stated I'm just listing what I find them to be doing wrong, which is that everyone is at fault but only two are being blamed (so far), I think you might want to re-think what you're saying yourself, friend. Saying that sex is just for Rising seems more problematic than anything I've said. The way you put it seems as though he's the only one with a libido that needs expressing and he's just using them and they're not getting an equivalent amount out of it.
You also put the burden of this interaction entirely on him, rather ignoring that there's five of them and -none- of them have been talking to each other. Between you and the last guy I'm getting the feeling that Rising is mostly being blamed just because he's male at this point.
My house was a mess this morning, I am NOT the most thorough parent when it comes to policing my kids mess. tiny bits of scrap paper from arts and crafts, crayons strewn everywhere, flattened desiccated juice pouches, tiny bits of orange peel that didnt get picked up, and all their little broken toys that get left out and stepped on. I try to keep the house relatively clean and free for walking around, but the mess starts to pile up. I always have the excuse too tired to deal with it, after working all night coming home and then having to watch the kids for 10 hours I feel like it's a little too much sometimes.
and then I read last chapter, I really felt for sparkler what else to realize she didn't have any legs to stand on. I was just as guilty of the atrocity in my house as she was the mess in hers, and so while Kudzu was writing this chapter I was destroying the mess in my house. it was a slaughter my kids weeped for the old broken toys that I had to throw away, for the half finished art projects that had to get taken out, there was four trash bags of litter taken out, a half inch tack through my heel, and an hour less of sleep. it may have felt like pulling teeth, my body my regret it in the morning, but my wife is happier, my home is cleaner, and I finally found my season 1 of MLP that had been missing for a month. and it was all things to the lessons learned by Sparkler and her heard.
well this all got out of hand. like completely. seems like they are only gonna get worse from here.
........ okay, when need like a wikipedia for all of your characters now. i kinda do not remember who lock skimmer is.
5950070 What does this have anything to do with him being male? And please excuse me if what I say doesn't sound right, I am very tired. What I meant is that he will wake them up just to shag. Who wakes someone up by humping them and doesn't even really chat with them? That is somewhat relevant to what I was trying to make a point of.
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No worries, buddy ol' pal. I'm half-stoned on painkillers and slap-tired myself.
As for the shagging, that's up to the people involved. For some couples, that level of communication just isn't necessary. For others, it's actually detrimental. I don't think Rising's family actually... tried to DO anything about their feelings or problems. No one's even tried to solve any issues. Loch just went crying for mommies instead of being a big girl and addressing her herdmates one by one to let them know she wanted more communication.
A problem with that though is everyone's schedule. Loch's a bit busier than I thought, but still the least busy assuming Bittersweet still spends all day helping babysit. The rest are always busy or on-call, and all at different times. The fact they all still have to go to school for the most part certainly isn't helping their togetherness time. I think that's going to be addressed soon - one of them has to make sure everyone's apprised that this is a problem, then the others will likely come to realize that it's bothering them too, and they'll try and figure out what they can do to make things better.
That's how I see it going, anyway.
Dammit sparkler. Realize your fuckup and don't make excuses. Every excuse you make only adds to the fuckup and right now your fuckup has caused your pregnant wife to leave your home.
Face facts and deal with it god dammit.
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Lock Skimmer - Pegasus mare from the Shetland Islands, her and her sister, Ripple, were married into Rising Star and Sparklers heard when her father wanted to marry (sell) her to a farmer in return for a years worth of food. When she refused he broke her leg so she couldn't run. Bucky was forced to flog her father as a sign that changes were needed.
It's more than just "Who should do the cleaning" ... they're all guilty because they've stopped communicating. Loch should have said something instead of going to their parents, which then puts the parents in a strange situation. They stopped working as a team.
It really sucks when that happens...
Damn, son. Clean your room.
5950094 THANKS THE GODESS, I´M NOT THE ONLY TO FEEL THIS WAY !!!!
Actually my house is quite clean, but it takes A LOT of effort and screaming to keep this way and, sometimes, I just wonder how much time will take ´till the rats come and eat us alive if I just quit and let the mess take care of itself.
My 8 year is starting, slowly, VERY slowly, to help in the cleaning, wich is great, but my 3 year old is able to turn ANYTHING in mess. This morning I´ve made bread with Nutella to her...I´ve turned around to see something and, I swear for Luna, in 30 seconds she managed to shove nutella all over the sink.
I´m pretty sure she produced Nutella out of the thin air, ´cause there isn´t that in much in the bread to be able to cover all the sink in Nutella.
So, yes, my friend, you´re not alone. We´re many. And, oh godess, how tired we are, just leave me alone son, yes, you can drink water from dog´s bowl if you want, I don´t care anymore !
BTW, before I forget...again.
Loch stating that Rising did not need to sleep anymore give me the shivers. Bad shivers. His body may not need the rest, but he still have a simple pony mind that needs rest.
I remember this old Superman story, Gold Age Superman I think, were he starts to use his sleep time to build houses to the poor. Suddenly someone starts to try to kill Clark Kent (not Superman, but Clark). To make long things short, Superman discover that, even if his body can keep working non-stop, his mind can´t, and he developed a second personality that started to try to kill Clark. Lesson learned: he started to have at least some sleep.
Godess Dammit Golden Age Superman, the one that, once, moveed earth out of a comet´s way, just pushing earth out of its gravitational belt (why not just smashing the comet ?) ! If he needs sleep, Rising, better starting sleeping too.
5950331 ..... yeahp. we NEED a wiki of some kind.
though congrats to kudzu for making something that complex.
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Too many comments to go through so I will go with just replying with this one to make my points on why Rising Star and Sparkler are getting the most blame.
Rising Star: It was stated recently, he no longer needs to sleep. He can stand in some fire and become perfectly rested as if he had slept. He isn't a normal mortal pony anymore. He is a fey, he is somewhere between Mortal like his wives and almost the entire rest of the world, and Immortal like Celestia, Luna, Cadence, Scorch and Others. He is for all intents and purposes a like a Demigod. Not saying he needs to pretty much function like a constantly working and active Machine, but he could do a lot more to help at home keeping it clean. And then their is the fact his herd family is falling apart because of everything that is happening? How is that going to look to everyone who supported him and the rest of Equestria with his position in the Stable of Representatives? He was considered one of Herd Marriages biggest supporters on it and his is now is trouble.
Sparkler: She is the ALPHA MARE! THE LEAD MARE! The one who makes decisions along with Rising Star on who is in allowed to join the herd. She is supposed to lead them by example. She is supposed to be the best mare for the job. And She has failed miserably at it. Hell, if Derpy and Bucky did with their herd what Sparkler and Rising Star have done? I am sure Bucky would have likely gone fuck it long ago, Ascended and destroyed everything because he would have not had any reason keeping him from doing so.
Everyone has fucked up in this. However, Rising Star and Sparkler, being at the heads of the herd, the Stallion and the Alpha Mare have fucked up more than the others.
5950035 Everything you just said is over written by the fact that he's still a fey. The mess could easily be handled if it was cleaned up real quick. Much easier to clean small messes then one large cluster. So, his magic, his unbelievable power can't be spared to clean? The thing is, he can use government as an excuse all he wants, but the fact that this reflects poorly on him while he's trying to be an idol for others is counterproductive. RisingStar has things to figure out. He can either delve deeper into his work and shut his wives out, or he can optimize his time so he can spend it with the people he loves. This is a classic character flaw and right now Rising is making himself look like the ass in every stereotypical family comedy. :/
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Plus he could easily be in two places at once. Sparkler probably could too. Just like Raven. I feel like that should be addressed.
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Also they have stopped loving each other which is the MOST important part of a relationship!!!!
wow my may be a mess is not that bad. for crying out loud my car is way cleaner then my room.