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5164289
And this is the BEGINNING of the arc.
Her attitudes might change.
And her saying that she didn't learn nothing at all? That came at the end.
Sure did. Take that Flim and Flam!
my hoof, I could
what if we
Ah, so that's what those three are talking about. Flash, why don't you just get some whisky, Twilight, Rainbow, and an empty room?
needs an I before could
I like this interpretation of Spike as beleaguered, unsatisfied, and willing to complain but not really willing to complain about what might be seriously wrong. Fits very well with his life of... well servitude. Taught to put the needs of others before himself, so he's nervous about actually putting his problems out there, unless they're very small problems. The bigger the problem, the more nervousness.
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The bats thing? Wrong, Kudzu. Fluttershy was 110% wrong to be acting that way. If she hadn't been, there would have been nothing to make AJ look like she was in the wrong - which, considering what I'm about to say, she wasn't anyway. She was a farmer trying to defend her land, and the invasion of her land was being supported by a friend who had the power to stop it easily.
That orchard is Applejack's life. Her family sweated and bled for it. She's given up any extraneous hopes and dreams to work on it. Nevermind that they wrote Fluttershy to be 'correct' in the end, point was that Fluttershy was a god-awful friend. AJ needed the bats off her land, away from her trees, away from the crops her family depends on, away from the trees she raised and tended to every day. Fluttershy knew that.
Instead, by refusing to back down from her stance that the bats stay and infest the orchard - by refusing to simply relocate them, she clearly stated that the bats are more important than AJ, AJ's family, and their sacrifices. Even if Fluttershy knew for a fact the bats were perfect for the orchard - something AJ would have known - then defending the bats was still wrong, especially seeing what her friend was going through. She didn't help AJ, she didn't go get a book to show her hard evidence, she didn't present a case. Even if the bats were helpful, the fact it stressed out and hurt AJ so much meant that she should have been all for relocating them somewhere else where they could settle peacefully without disrupting life for the Apples.
Which has been a constant problem with Fluttershy since the beginning. She is literally Worst Mane 6. Her cowardice is pure selfishness and she considers animals over her friends. Beavers flood the orchard, again - AJ's lifeblood, AJ calls one of the beavers a nuisance. Beaver demands AJ apologize or he won't stop flooding her land (which would kill the orchard), but apparently the beaver seems to say something worse and he gets off scot-free, while Fluttershy glares at AJ until AJ submits and apologizes. This is somehow proper behavior? This is fair? This is considerate? I can only speak for myself, but I'd slap the light out of someone who tried that shit with me.
This is disgusting behavior. That's not friendship. There is no argument that can be made in a sane and logical manner that denies these points. Yet everyone puts on the moe-glasses for Fluttershy, they see her shivering and sad and decide she's the best and she should be protected even though half the time it's her fault. I saw a lot of hate for AJ and the other girls after the Bats song - and no one bothered considering that there wouldn't have been a conflict in that episode if Fluttershy hadn't stood in the way of clearing out an infestation that was disrupting AJ's life and all of her hard work just because Fluttershy thinks bats are sweet and innocent. Would you seriously be friends with someone who told you that you can't protect your things from being taken for whatever reason, and basically says you're the one who's wrong for trying to stop them? Could anyone be friends with someone like that and not be a crackhead?
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I want a plasma rifle in the 40 watt range...
5164301
Okay, fair point....
To correct myself, I shall now revise my earlier post!
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I thought it was an intentional Heavy reference
NOW, that that s out of the way....
I rather like how Spike and Sentinel related to each other on such a morbid thing, it was well written-if short- but overall easy to see the emotions in the mind's eye.
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Thanks.
This comment made me feel better. I felt like I was taking a risk portraying Spike like this. I wanted a fish out of water feeling for him, but stronger.
Poor Spike and Sentinel, they should kiss next.
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i definitely like this portrayal of spike as being the wolf among sheep. because when it gets right down to it, ponies are medium sized herbivores and spike will eventually become a colossal+, firebreathing, jaws that crush gems, claws that rend stone, armored, possibly-winged harbinger of death.
I also find it nice to see the two young misfits on either side of the Scholar/Warrior bloodline herd/family/clans bonding with each other. them and other bonding, like Fluttershy and Ripple, will probably help the two sides from becoming too distrustful of or angry with the other when times get hard. They will need that understanding of the other group's position to stay on good terms.
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You're forgetting something, and it's an integral part of Fluttershy's counter in that episode:
The seeds that the bats spit out grow stranger than the other trees, indicating either some form of magic on the bat's part or simply a natural protective whatever in their saliva.
The bats weren't just pests that need to be sent away, they're a very strong force of fecundity. They renew the natural orchards along the way, and would've resulted in a poorer return one year for greater returns in later years.
As well, Fluttershy didn't say that the bats should simply be allowed to stay, she said that they should have a small section of the orchard, preferably one that's already less tended or productive, set aside for the bats, and have them stay there. You saying that Fluttershy was wrong every step of the way apparently didn't factor that in when you said, and I quote, "her stance that the bats stay and infest the orchard - by refusing to simply relocate them". You also assume that the bats would listen to her every step of the way, which is not assured, as well as the fact that moving them to a quarantined section of the orchard is relocating them.
As well, you berating Fluttershy's cowardice as 'selfish' shows you've obviously never been bullied in your life. She was specifically said to have been bullied, repeatedly and often enough that it's ingrained into her perceptions of every interaction with anyone. She hallucinates when confronted with the thought of performing in front of any gathering of significant size.
And as for the Beavers... no, you're totally right on that one, the beavers were being a-holes, and Fluttershy should've stopped them there.
nice little talks and meetings all around.......
.... diamond is an earth pony. she might b e soft to the touch it seems but she is an earth pony. why would he think he could crush her? if anything diamond tiara could crush him instead. he is a Pegasus offshoot, more vicious but still has those attributes. diamond tiara naturally has that crushin strength twenty four seven and a body that is built to be in that state continuously.
.......do not know how to think about the idea of dragons being predators. let alone the whole eat people wet dreams that is going on here. just....... something is not adding up in my mind. I cannot see wehre they would confuse those they are affectionate towards for prey.
5164589 As Sentinel stated, he already has more physical strength than Bonbon. If he's stronger than the adults, I'm pretty sure a young teenager wouldn't be a match for him. He said he could easily shatter a pony's skull with just misplaced anger-venting.
Also, his species is a predator that is easily able to take down other types of ponies as prey. He's practically designed to be able to kill any pony that doesn't have combat training, like Diamond for example.
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I think both were right and wrong at the same time. Both too extremist in their views, but with some good arguments.
Actually, I think if Twilight hadn't decided to play god again in her "I've got a spell for this!"-manner (with the same plan that didn't work on the parasprites AND after her statement in Magic Duel that she learned that magic can't solve any problem) and would have started mediating between the two, they could have found the solution they had at the ending very quick. Without Fluttershy going Flutterbat.
The woodchucks... I think Fluttershy wanted to defuse the situation - it would have escalated, they were already at names-calling. Having Applejack apologize was most likely a way to show the woodchucks that they are respected and that no grudge remains that would cause the whole conflict to happen again, but this time out of spite. They do need their dams to live after all.
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Thestrals are predators; by their magically corrupted nature, they need to have the in-built ability to overpower and kill their prey. This means that from a young age, thestrals need to be stronger than the average pony, because they need to catch and kill to survive, whereas an earth pony could simply graze. Also, from previous descriptions of the myrmidons and the clan Moonbow came from, full grown thestral females are on the Big Mac side of big, with all the rippling muscular power a predator of that size should have, plus wings that can bear that large heavy body.
Diamond Tiara might be an Earth Pony, but she has also led a fairly pampered life, her body, while genetically disposed to be more resilient, has not been in any way trained for physical endurance, hence her pleasant softness.
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Earth ponies have nothing on lunar pegasi for strength or durability. Earth ponies have natural strength, in a sense, while lunar pegasi are supernatural. Sentinel is already physically stronger than all of the adults in his herd. Think of the fish he's wrestled to shore. Any idea how strong a one hundred pound brown trout is?
Lunar pegasi prey on dragons, and win. Think about Grimglammer taking off to deal with the dragons on the way home and what she said afterwards. She's already killed a dragon... and she wasn't worried about killing a few more.
The lunar pegasi are like kryptonians compared to regular humans.
Diamond Tiara would stand no chance against him if he wanted to overpower her.
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Why?
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Fluttershy convinces the beaver to leave, and all it takes is an apology. She doesn't reprimand the beaver because it has the diplomatic advantage. All it has to do is NOT LEAVE and it wins. She handles the situation by being nice to the beaver, but AJ still wins because the beaver leaves, and all AJ has to give is an apology. How is that disgusting? What should she have done, beaten up the beaver? forcibly removed it? what would that have solved? You'd have one less flood, but then you'd have an angry beaver, who would possibly just come back later, maybe with friends. Plus you would teach the lesson that violence is the answer and that diplomacy is bad, and that's just stupid.
The argument that Fluttershy should have conceded -- even though the bats were GOOD for the orchard in the long run -- just because AJ didn't like them is like saying that you should feed your children chocolate all day instead of fruits and vegetables because otherwise you'll make them SAAAADDD. Or you should provide hard evidence. Yeah, because why should the one who takes care of animals for a living know anything about how they work, so why should we consider that she might know a thing or two about them? She should have to pull up a BOOK to tell us what they do. Fluttershy isn't being a bad friend for trying to help, AJ is being a bad friend for not even giving her a chance.
She didn't say that AJ was wrong for trying to protect the apples. She says that it's wrong to portray the bats as mindless killing machines and instantly decide that the only answer is to kill them all. There's a pretty big difference.
I feel like you don't... really get how friendship works. Or have friends. You must be a pretty sad, angry person if you think that Fluttershy's behavior is "disgusting" because she tries to help BOTH sides of an argument, rather than just her friends.
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People speak vs. Grammar speak.
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Fluttershy is a lot like Celestia. Long term planning over short term gain. But Celestia is the good pony and Fluttershy is the bad pony for striving to find balance with nature.
The bats were better for the orchard in the long run.
Also, I love Spike's and Senty's part.
A very interesting side of Spike, I hope he tranlates his plan into action with Sentinel's help.
I think Spike should have a talk with Sparkler.
She felt like a pegasus in a unicorn body until she realized her possiblities as a unicorn.
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And now, Sparky feels like an earth pony.
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She's multicultural.
5164656 .......... earth pony strength is also supernatural. that is how tirek could steal it to begin with. their strength comes from magic.
look at maud and applejack. their strength has to be supernatural for it to even be plausible to do what they do.
not to mention it creates a lot of confusion of WHAT they are. pegasi origins could be the reason for their predatory impulses, revived from gryphon acestry. enhanced strength also from the pegasi, which easily could be from earth pony origin if they were the pony base........ where the hell does strength that could kill earth ponies and ragons coming from here?
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Probably dark matter.
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The original thestrals were magically corrupted; pegasi twisted into killing machines. hence why we are saying supernatural strength. Solar Pegasi have natural Pegasi magic. Thestrals have supercharged monstrous power in addition to what remains of their Pegasi-esque magic after so many centuries of reproduction.
They have their minds, but the predatorial instincts and super power that comes with the lingering corruption still gives them a significant edge. Like comparing a human vampire hunter and Blade, the latter simiply has a leg up in the destructive power department because of his unique ancestry.
5164761 earth ponies do have supernatural strength though. it is not natural.
even the largest horses of our world are incapable of breaking stone. so how could something as small as maud do that herself? and even pinkie can do that. she tried to break the stone that she got caught in and only failed because of a bad angle, unable to put her muscle into it.
them be corrupted could give them earth pony like strength, I will buy that. and their flight and strength combined would give them an edge. but it being so great that they can crush earth ponies like that...... it just does not mesh at all. not at all.
besides it would have to mean that each lunar Pegasus is born with so much magic it gives them that enhanced strength and Pegasus powers and their shadow powers.
5164761 kthe difference there is that there is an origin to blade's power. vampires, unnatural beings with unnatural powers, powers they have because they are no longer mortal and are not even a fiable breed.
though in reality his primary advantage was having their powers and no weaknesses because of his humanity. meaning he could use weapons that can kill vampires. that combined with his training gave him the advantage over them. he could use weapons that the vampires cannot even touch, and would be immune to them if they attempted to. in reality it seems that in terms of powers he was actually far weaker and mainly had their strength rather than any supernatural characteristics.
the further from the original the weaker it gets. meaning that, likely, the luna pegasi would not have strength comparable to the origin.
I am loving all of this character-building and in-depth psychological exploration. It gives my brain such wonderful introspective tingles!
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Now that is a conversation I'd love to read.
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If Sparkler's invariably felt like a pegasus, a unicorn, and an earth pony, does that mean she's near the spiritual Zen of alicorndom (all three races in harmony)?
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I think I thunk a thought, double d!
I need a lost chapter with lugus and yew. I am willing to spend good money on it.
Because
I have a size-difference fetishscience5164975
It's coming.
And it is AWKWARD
5164816 Alisparkler would be terrifying. Imagine trying to fight against the Alicorn of Nature or Earth or something. Not only do you have to deal with the fact that she's about as strong as AppleJack, There's alicorn flight and her natural affinity to screw everything over by turning herself to stone. And then she takes that stone shifting to pummel you to death using the ground around you and never moving.
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She'd keep Maud Pie as the head of her Royal Guard.
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A wizard did it with magnets made of dark matter.
Discussion over.
...
I need an image of this dark-matter-magnet-wielding wizard for moments like this.
5164656 i know that thing can vary between things, and normally i can understand a factor like earth ponies not have supernatural strength. mainly those stories basedp rior to season four. however this is a story that includes tirek, who is technically he source to whether or not earth ponies had magic tied to their strength. and likely also lead to maud pie beign strong enough to smash stone, pinkie pie displaying that she also had a lesser capacity to do that, applejack both uprooting a tree at one point, fighting of a chimera, and most of all surviving being bucked by a evil luna in an alternate dimension. since it was an evil luna i have a feeling she would not bother with holding back at all.
.....that would lead one to speculate that bat ponies are physically stronger than the regal sisters if they could so easily kill earth ponies. that is probably not the truth but still, applejack survived a blow from evil luna and got right back up.
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Just because Sentinel FEELS like he could crush Diamond Tiara doesn't mean he can.
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You read the part about Tia crushing demons by enchanting herself?
5164661 Experimenting like good, young friends do.
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But he can. He could. Quite easily. Diamond Tiara really is food for him. Or would be, if he lived in another time, in another era, before Luna brought control and equinity back to the lunar pegasi.
Lunar pegasi and dragons are natural enemies and frequently kill one another. The dragons don't always win either.
I love Spike and Sentinel's friendship. I think they both needed this, especially the bonding over dreams.
You're also doing great work with characterizing Flash Sentry, which is always a daunting task.
Looking forward to more.
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So Spike and Sentinel were able to be friends because they were both raised from/within herbivorous ponys.
Sentinel learned soon to subdue his nature around his employers and benefactors, only to bring it out when it was useful to them - hunting the rats and so on.
Spike feels more than a pony than a dragon. But also, he uses his draconic abilities if it's necessary - his fire to deliver messages for example or melting the ice cloud in Equestria Games.
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eating =/= shattering
sure, he could EAT her, but that doesn't mean that he could accidentally shatter her skull. I think that's a bit much.
Humans eat cows, but that doesn't mean we could punch one's face in.
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But he is able to kill her quickly because as a predator, he is supposed to be able to do that.
Chase prey and end the affair as fast and power saving as possible.
5164996 awesome
you know... for the scientific value
I was wondering if spike had those dreams too.
A gud chapter with a lot of bonding!
5165185
Wait up, I'm the author, I know what he is capable of.
He could easily shatter her skull into fragments. As an adult, he could just as easily shatter dragon bones.
As stated in the story, he treats the world as though it is made out of paper and glass. He is extra careful with everything because things like ponies, walls, other living things, are incredibly fragile and he could easily smash through all of them.
Sentinel, without giving a moment's hesitation, could easily move through and slaughter his whole family if magic wasn't a factor.
This is the strength of his character. He's gentle. Amazingly so. There has been many little hints in the story about his real strength, like his battles with the giant fish.
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(apparently i've been writing and editting this massive thing for two hours, but i would feel bad if i just deleted all this.)
When i say natural in context of The Chase, i am referring to something like 'has from birth or as part of the species standard growth/development.' I usually make this particular distinction between natural and supernatural when magic is more or less infused into most if not all denizens of the world i'm referring to, as opposed to natural meaning strictly biological or physical. I.E. Ponies are naturally magical. Having Magic is part of being a pony. Earth ponies using their inherent magic is a natural thing. Griffons also have natural magic that they use to sit on clouds. Having vast amounts of shadow magic shoved into your body is not natural, thus i consider a number of those abilities that Thestrals have to be supernatural. Their immensely enhanced strength, predatory nature, shadow abilities, etc. were the result of forceful external tampering.
Also, are you saying pumping enough transformative dark/shadow magic into a group of pegasi to create a new race is not an origin or explanation? Look at Bucky's Tainted eye. Bucky gained new dark magic powers, and his body changed to reflect his new nature. Taint, Fangs, omnivorous digestive system, shaggy pelt, etc. He is stronger because his body took in external magic, and internalized it. He artificially increased and changed his magical profile. That's the origin and explanation of the Thestrals. Magical schmuckpony that wanted to spread fear and death took a group of ponies and artificially rammed a crapton of dark magic up their collective plotholes. The point was "let's make a perversion of the naturally harmonious magic in this group of ponies so we can create a race of powerful monsters." The result was the creation of the magically empowered and suddenly predatory Thestral race.
That first group bred with its own, and thus became a populous race. Other ponies were not likely to take well to the sudden appearance of a race of carnivorous nocturnal ponylike creatures, so the first few generations at least were likely very insular, occuring only between thestral pairs. Evidence for this trend can be seen in the modern existence of the Thestral colonies, where only thestrals live and breed together. Yes, where some other pony races bred in the power may be a bit diluted, but if that half thestral could only find other thestrals for mates if any at all, the dilution itself becomes diluted as generations of pure blood is worked back in. Yes, obivously a 1/16 Thestral is likely not as powerful as a pureblooded Thestral, but at that point, they probably stopped showing up as fanged bat-winged nocturnal ponies and started showing up as the other races. Thestrals today are not as mindlessly bloodthirsty as the first generation was, but that's likely the result of centuries of strict upbringing to reign in their predatory instincts so they could still peaceably interact with the pony races. Having Luna matron them also probably helped that process along.
All in all it's not unlike what Bucky did by communing with his family. He artificially enhanced their abilities to raise them to the next level of power potential. Naturally Sparkler and Rising were not level threes, and would not have been able to move to that degree on their own by just practicing their magic a lot. Bucky took deep magic and infused himself and his foals with it to supernaturally change and empower them.
Thestrals are not some kind of omnipotent badass race, just like Earth ponies are not unbreakable and dragons can be slain by pony-sized opponents (depending on skill, number, and losses). Thestrals are just a comparatively stronger race than others because of the magical augmentation. You do not have to necessarily become sterile, change your race, or pick from a grab bag of Achilles' heels in order to become significantly more powerful than the next schmuck. But shoving more power into something can make it more powerful, and that's what happened to the Thestrals. A lot of power was shoved into them, and so they became a lot more powerful.
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Essentially this.
Add to the fact that their strength practically doubles at night and even more so in direct moonlight.
5165292 their natural attributes were enhanced, sparkler and such. meaning if you enhanced and earth pony they would be even stronger, even tougher. and if you 3enhanced a pegasus they would be faster and more capable of manipulating weather, and likely also stronger in those small bursts.
if they are born of pegasi they would get theri strength increased in bursts like them, perhaps for a more prolonged time. however this is not enhancing what is already there, it is adding something that isn't and somehow making them stronger than earth ponies, who are stronger than pegasi.