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Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you had (I wouldn't have read enough to know anyway), just that most that do this type of story end up tossing it in at some point.
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I briefly touched on how earth ponies affect fertility cycles and that was it.
I do have a heat story in mind though, and it is terrible. Trash. Awful. Will probably get featured.
Oh Thunderlane.
lol How many times in a row are you going to get featured stories? XD
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Apparently I had four in the box at once, but I didn't actually see it. I had to take sompony's word.
4401135 I've seen that happen before. It's more common than you think.
Ok!!! I've finally caught up to this story! This story is probably one of the best love-adventures type stories on fimfiction, it is that amazing, you piece together every sentence just right, with biology and physiology mixed in so the readers can perfectly understand from an outside point of view, just... I love it!
Man Shining's point of view is extreme. It seems like everybody and their mothers wants House Avarice annihilated.
Will wait for their point of view on the issue before i take my side.
this is awesomely thought up, which era are you going off of?
I kind of wonder why they need to give up all titles and kill the house. Then again, oe of the family is a royal and they have royal connections so a new noble house could be born from the ashes i suppose. Just seems such a shame to give up all you own because of ancient atrocities you were not even aware of, even though i agree reperations would need to be paid i don't see the need to disband an entire noble house.
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Noble gesture.
4401299 nice chapter! Was Godzilla any good?
Oh wow, Twilight's family are Ultra Good People.
I'm wondering, will anyone bring up how Bucky is progressing in his recovery, or the possibility of getting Bucky some additional treatment? I mean, if Bucky ever gets around to opening his school (which I'd expect in approx. 242 chapters from now), I would think it unsafe to have an unstable type IV teaching developing unicorns. I assume Celestia has the bits!
such an interesting social structure you have constructed. Perhaps house sparkle/ shinning will rise fro the ashes into nobility rather quickly but no one can fault them if they cut themselves so cleanly from the past. Its actually a good political gamble if they pull through. Sure they may be poor in the end but something tells me having a princess in your family may give some political clout.
Here is to hoping that the noble house sparkle/shinning Makes a strong rise to power and wealth after the war ends.
I however feel that they are overlooking something. Its obvious that this war is about to turn hot. House avarice is going to either fake an atrocity or march on ponyville. There will be deaths I can definitively see that.
4401655 Author stated already there will be no deaths, do i find it realistic that there is a war with no bloodshed, no. But I am interested on how he will write it.
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Godzilla was alright. Messed up quite a few times, but alright.
Interesting footnotes.
Just like has happened in real life, House Evening Star is giving up its wealth and house status, but individuals are still going to have peerage, rank, and title, due to external status. Shining Armor will still technically happen to be either a Prince of a Consort because of Cadance, and Twilight Sparkle will continue to be a Princess because of status given by Celestia.
This is a Noble gesture in every meaning of the word. They have taken part in an act which they cannot make full compensation. So they are doing the next best thing. They are literally giving of themselves. There have been examples of this in our world as well, good examples being the Dutch colonies in Africa that profited for so long off the exploitation of colonies and slaves. Some of the remaining Dutch nobility, in what was really touching gesture of human decency, gave up their land, their homes, their titles, everything they had in the world even though it was not enough to try and make recompensation.
Was it enough to pay their debts?
No.
Did people still bitch that not enough was done to make things right?
You betcha.
Was it still the right thing to do and a step in the right direction?
Well, I think so. But that is my opinion and opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one and they usually stink.
Now, the Dutch nobles and the other Dutch that did nothing, nothing at all to correct the situation, I hope they burn in whatever hell awaits them, because what the goddamn Dutch did in Africa was bloody atrocious. Even if they claim ignorance of what happened.. "I didn't know I was making money from slaves I shouldn't have to pay anything back or be held responsible."
The colonies situation in Africa is just one of many real world examples of what is going on in The Chase.
They didn't know that a sizable chunk of their wealth was coming from blood money. Now, some choices have to be made.
The money is technically allowed to be collected, and technically, if House Evening Star keeps silent, they could stay wealthy and allow this to keep happening. But since war was declared and all the old treaties were destroyed, it now means that House Avarice can be tried retroactively for war crimes... A complicated real life situation that has mirrors in our own reality. While the peace held and the treaties were in effect, House Avarice had a right to collect special penalty taxes from the Shetland Isles. It was dirty blood money, and the treaty was from an earlier time, a darker time, so it was grandfathered through the generations, allowing the horrible practice to take place. Too much money was being made from it, so the ponies involved turned a blind eye to the problem and just took the money. It was easy money. It afforded the Canterlot lifestyle. After a few hundred years, most ponies didn't know where the money was actually coming from. The ponies that knew died. So only a precious few were actually in on the deal, at least at the Canterlot end, so the practice continued and the public remained ignorant. Very much like real world events.
For example, google blood diamonds. Horrible problem that people allow to continue because hey, people like cheap diamonds.
And, people will pay for cheap diamonds.
It is the same reason why we allow immigrant labour to continue in this country, which is another form of slavery. If we actually had to pay them a fair wage, a real honest wage, we'd all be paying thirty to fifty dollars a gallon for orange juice, and the price of fresh fruit would skyrocket to impossible levels. So, to keep food costs cheap, America says FuQ! to immigrants, pays them utter shite, and continues to slog down cheap orange juice because we are entitled to cheap orange juice goddamn it. We like our super cheap Wal Mart low prices, and screw paying people a fair wage, and screw children too, because those little fingers are great for making cheap shirts.
And speaking from a story framework, the incident I've created with Clan Pickled would only be ONE of many events probably perpetrated by Canterlot nobles. Why do you think old wealth stays wealthy? Realistically, this would only be one of many sources of income and continued draw on claimed resources.
One is bad enough, but over a thousand years, you can make a lot of mistakes and profit from them greatly.
I'm sorry, I've ranted enough. I'll stop now, as most people have long since lost interest. If you made it this far, thanks. These are tough issues. There are no easy answers.
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Bucky will become an excellent example of control.
Even badly wired, control is of the utmost of importance.
Any more than that is spoilers.
Bucky will also be an advocate of the pony dependency program, where unicorns use the magic of friendship to level out their neurosis. Find an earth pony buddy, like Lyra did with Bon Bon, or Bucky with Berry, or Dinky and Pina. They don't ever find out how or why it works, just that it seems to work. It also becomes highly advised to keep a pegasus handy.
And now we sit back and watch as the noble houses fall like a house of cards.
I, for one, am going to enjoy this.
4401818 Thank you, that cleared a lot up for me and was an interesting lesson as well.
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In case of emergency, break glass for Pegasus.
I kindof want to see a picture of this.
At someone of Scottish Highland blood, i don't want house Avarice to be annihilated.
That's far to quick.
I. Want. Them. To. Burn.
This is going to get interesting
Something tells me Thunderlane is disappointed with this set up.
Am I the only one that thinks House Evening Star will continue, but separate from House Avarice and in Ponyville?
4402777 at the stake or tied to their bed.
4403280 Both.
So Twilight will have her family living nearby... i wonder when the nagging for grandfoals will begin.
4403370 i'm not sure they'd feel both, they'd be dead after the 1st one
4403376 I never said burn to death, and I suspect this house is annoyingly fertile and large.
4403381 fair enough.
So every herd in ponyville is a shining example of a better future?
....
..... coughbullshitcough
......
One thing I really want to know is: What is House Avarice's claim to the tribute and power they claim over the Shetland Isles? Was it military conquest or political wrangling? I'm not terribly familiar with the historical analog of our world, and I've no real idea what to look for (yeah, I know; typical American). Remembering the insight we've been given so far all their power is based on the conditions of a centuries old ceasefire.
House Avarice was at war with Clan Pickled right?
Did they have them totally on the ropes when this truce was drawn up? There is so much more I want to know, for if House Avarice can claim right of conquest, I'll probably hate them just a tiny bit less. I'd probably still be right there with Cadance slaughtering the lot of them right there in the street, but I'd make it just a tiny bit quicker. 'Cause as much as I agree with Machiavelli in that ruling through fear is preferable to not getting anything done because no one respects you enough to support you when you call in a favor, even he points out:
A consideration which it seems House Avarice has failed entirely to make.
On a side note, I was completely taken by surprise by Shining's take on the situation. I probably would have disagreed with him to a small degree, but not overtly or offhandedly.
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Shetland Isles, as have been stated in the story, is a penal colony.
When the intertribal marriage happened, the survivors of the war and the married couple were incarcerated to the islands.
Obviously, ponies can leave the isles now, and ponies do.
But....
On the mainland, herd marriage is frowned upon and Clan Pickled has certain freedoms and rights impinged upon. So they can leave the Isles, but are forced to give up their way of life.
House Avarice has the right of subjugation, very similar to certain situations that we saw with Ireland and Scotland when criminals of various stripes were sent to Australia for example, and then their families, those still in Ireland and Scotland, WERE SENT A BILL FOR THE INCARCERATION OF A FAMILY MEMBER IN AUSTRALIA. And this was mutli-generational too. So if somebody had children in the penal colonies, hey, guess what, the next gen in Ireland or Scotland had to foot the bill. Failure to pay the bill and YOU GO ON A BOAT.
Boat ride!
It was how the British managed to clear so much of Ireland and Scotland and then filled them full of loyal English.
In story, the taxes drawn are penalty taxes, one house holding a hoof to the other's throat.
Okay you know we want to change the world so we are gonna trow or money, wealth and influence away so we are absolute useless for the cause.
That´s Hippie stupid!
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Just wondering, how old are you and how much do you know about the history of reparations?
Imagine if you had a huge bill. I mean a HUGE bill. A bill your great x10 grandfather accrued somehow, and over time, the bill grew larger and larger, and there was no way for you to pay it.
Do you hold on to your money and your wealth, in this case, disposable assets, because wealth doesn't actually mean money, it means resources and liquidatable assets. Anyway, if you hold on to it, and refuse to make amends, the court might see that as being unwilling to make things right. So the court takes EVERYTHING YOU HAVE anyway, and then you face further consequences.
Or you make noble gesture in the true sense of the word, because nobility should mean understanding the need for sacrifices. You take what you have to offer and offer it all up, under your own free will, and then ask for leniency, humbling yourself before the public, and behaving in a noble fashion.
The public, whom you serve, and that is how it really should be as nobility, sees that you want to make real amends, and forgives you. Other nobles, not wanting to be outshone by a rival, also move to make meaningful amends. Sure, they might be doing it for competition sake, but at least some good is coming out of it.
Gentility is the word that best describes Twilight Sparkle's family here, in the classical archaic sense of the word, going back to Middle English and High Speech, or the King's English. It changed to mean the upper classes, or the gentry. It used to mean compassionate well mannered nobles that were bastions of social graces. and would serve their people unquestionably, doing whatever was required for the greater good. People followed them because people wanted to follow them. They led by example.
If you can, please spend some time writing up several paragraphs explaining the 'hippie stupid' argument. I am not sure I understand it.
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I am 28, more than i need to, yeah i am German so i have a rough idea how that is working...
Oh and Hippie stupid is when you want to change something but to archive that you do everything so you can´t actually archive anything, like trowing your money away or living outside of society. By the way that´s more true for the modern ver. as for the 80 since these guys actually did something.
Also i know that my English writing is pretty much shit, I mean I can read, understand and speak it perfectly but since i came never in the situation where i had to write a great deal of English this skill never developed. So i apologize for the quality of this
And also asking after my age in this kind of way can be considered insulting. But alas don´t understand that wrong i still love you and your story´s, exspechely this one here.
Its just that the notion that Twilights parents would throw there House and money away because of guild of what happened a tausend years ago, (and yes you could try to sue someone for something that happened a tausend years a go but there are better ways to trow money away, like burning it) is the kind of stuff that some one tells you how drunk to much and should go to sleep now.
Above all else i found it how it was described as if they throw everything out, that i found stupid. Nothing against giving something or even 30%-50% of what you have but giving everything makes you homeless or depended on others and dosen´t help everyone.
Keep up the good work
PS: Yes i know the difference between money and wealth since called them speretly and not as the same thing
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It was never intended to be insulting, I was trying to come up with suitable analogies that were age appropriate.
Some are worse than others.
Some are a bit more friendly for the younger folks.
Like concentration camps. A bit more suitable for the older crowd.
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I think I get the gist of it.
Still not sure I understand it, but if I am getting it right, it makes a bit more sense now.
Sometimes, all you can do is make stupid noble gestures.
Charge of the Light Brigade and all that. You have to be an example that history will remember, otherwise, it keeps repeating and the world never changes.
4403473 Agreed, Weld.
Kudzu, I know it's become my trademark to bitch and moan near-constantly, but...
I am honestly getting sick of EVERYPONY siding with Berry Punch, even with different viewpoints. I get it, House Avarice is, by reputation, full of bastards that live up to their namesakes.
But while Berry Punch struck in defense of Bucky and in hate of the House, she still struck with intent to maim a mare of another Clan/House/Herd on relatively shallow basis... I'm not saying she's unjustified, but I'm saying it's getting harder to sympathize with her at all the more I hear every character suck on her nethers.
At first, I was rooting for Cadance's view... until she mentioned leniency. Leniency, because one House is full of corrupt bastards? Wow, They Who Fight Monsters, indeed, Cadance. Same of Shining Armor. Even when his viewpoint will be shown, I'm not sure I can sympathize with anyone in Ponyville so long as Berry continues to get off scot-free, or with very little so-called punishment or consequences. The story is starting to truly lose me.
... This would be an ideal moment to go to a viewpoint of a good, not-corrupt, but still very rude, ally of House Avarice and see his viewpoint on the matter, see how he gets persecuted for DARING to be independent of his Aunts and cousin-or-sister Cadance. Prince Blueblood, take the stage! Give some true logic and reasoning and rise above being only known for being rude to a mare in Gold-Digger mode!
Don't claim House Avarice in the right, be aware of their corruption of nobility and disgusted with it, but don't blindly side with a mare whom gave them a taste of comeuppance! Give your views, currently-herdless stallion, Prince of Canterlot, nephew of the Sun and the Moon, maker of maps, close family to the Lady of Love and in-law to the Filly of Friendship!
4403843 Also, in addition to previous post, since we're all about Canterlot, Unicorns, Pegasi, and Earth Ponies... If Blueblood is in a Herd...
Harshwhinny is Alpha. XD I request this.
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Love is all about leniency and forgiveness.
Would you expect Cadance to do anything else?
Shining Armor takes a martial approach.
Ponies agree in general that what she did was wrong, but she did the wrong thing for all the right reasons.
That happens in real life too.
And Primrose is fine, as a shining example of the unfairness in life.
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Oh no... Being a fine Canterlot unicorn, he would never even think of soiling himself with those dirty herd types that ruined society and threaten the nobles by outbreeding them.
I have to disagree. Bucky is a victim. Berry is a warmonger, an assailant, and to put it bluntly, a cuntpuncher. She may have induced an ultimately positive social change, but I can think of few ways of sending the wrong message to ponykind worse than making someone a national hero for starting a war.
Also, the dialogue just felt unnatural here. It reads more like you making an argument through the characters than a family having a conversation, even on such a serious topic.
I can definitely see House Evening Star's courage backfiring. Even if all of the other houses under Avarice's sway have the same courage, which doesn't seem likely, that leaves a massive political vacuum. I don't know how many houses Avarice doesn't have by the pursestrings, but I do know that the house of greed would act quickly to fill the gap.
As for the second part of the story, it also feels a little stilted, but nearly as bad. That can be blamed on the whole "we're talking to the god-empress of ponykind about a social construct she outlawed" thing.
In any case, looking forward to more.
4404244 I wish we would stop hearing of that view, though.... Also, my Blueblood comments?
*sees next post*
Why the buck not?! I hope that's joking sarcasm, because he's still the Princesses' family, acknowledged directly as nephew. I would think they are quite close!
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I need to explain somehow the Canterlot unicorn viewpoint on herd marriage?
Somepony help me.
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Actually...
Wait, I cannot tell you... That would be ultra sooper dooper major spoiler territory.
But I want to tell you.
House Evening Star has a major consequence for what they are doing.
But so will all of the other houses.
One house did the right thing.
4404268 please have him be a good pony, at least? Maybe with Harshwhinny?
I just wanna see the Canterlot unicorns point of view and arguments on the whole herd marriage, Berry's assault and war declaration before i give Berry an inch of sympathy and or support.
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Primrose pretty much summed up those views.
She wants Berry's head.
4404585 Let me rephrase what i said " A Canterlot unicorn who is not directly involved with House Avarice " I know Primrose is a royal B* but just wanna see it from a more neutral perspective. Hope i was a bit clearer