How far will one stallion run to escape what pursues him?
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hopefully she uses it for the trolling not the good or the evil
*snrk*
poor... *snicker*
poor, Bucky...
*SNORT*
I can't do it! I can't keep a straight face!
WAHAAAHAHAH!!!
Belissma: Bucky, remember that day, during the Winter War, when you monted me ? I want to mont again...
Bucky: Right away, my dear bird-wife...
*Bucky run through the gardens, with Belissama monted on him*
Bucky: THAT´S NOT WHAT I THOUGH YOU MEANT !!!!
Belissama: If you have enough breath to talk, you have enough breath to run faster...GIDDYUP !
doesn't matter how educated or itnelligent you think you are, the moment you lock in such a extreme bias into your cranium, you have lost half your intelligent and capacity to reason. now i not meaning you having a mindset because of ignorance, cause ignorance can be elleviated from understanding. yet when your brain cannot shift from a previous form of thinking to a new one based on new information, for example this elm character seeing a couple of cases of a herd family structure and them not murdering each other and still absolutely thinking it is vile, then you have officially lost a major capacity to think.
No one has ever attacked a minority because they have used logic and reasoning to attack them.
Politics with an open mind is usually amazing. Unfortunately when it comes to politicians there is no such thing as an open mind.
Finally caught up!
While I agree his views are too biased, this isn't the reason. The 'you've seen a couple, so your opinion should change'. That sort of thinking is what creates racists and bigots to begin with. "I had a problem with a couple people of this ethnicity, now I will look unfavorably on all of them."
What someone like Elm needs is proof. Time where herds are exceptional. Where next to nothing goes wrong. Because they are right, last time it all went to shit - and Rising was a bit wrong in his thinking, where he starts bringing up other reasons like that was the real cause of herds going to shit. Any relationship is going to have outside sociopolitical influence affecting it.
Hopefully, with ponies doing better mentally and emotionally, herds can be free of this crap. But rather than how Rising acts where herds should just be automatically seen as objectively the best, he should focus on how to prove that they're equal.
Plus, a herd-dominant society going to lead to overpopulation issues in short order.
And yet....Elm says nothing on gay or bi relations.... (unless he simply lumps them with herd marriage), which would only raise other issues. No, the elephant in the room is still Averice and the deep marks that house left. Herd marriage is taboo only because of bigoted unicorns.
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Everyone has bias. I don't care how intelligent you think you are everyone's opinion is based on bias. Elm's is no diffrent than any other opinion. From his point of view heard marriage doesn't work. This opinion is based on several factors that are based in truth. And even though his Logic is flawed it doent mean he's any less intelligent or reasonable.
I agree with to monogamists to a point. Historical evidence show how herd marriages cause strife and division. This is true... in Canterlot. What is not obvious or apperant to the monogamists is that these marriages were politically motivated and not family centric like Rising Star's family is. You might think this is a flaw in logical thinking... but hears the thing, how can you prove someone's motives and intent based in anecdotal evidence?
Everything Rising's herd has done could be considered politically motivated. He joined Bucky's family knowing they would become influential later on, Loch and Ripple were downtrodden Shetlanders looking for a hoof up in the world. Then almost everything they have done just put each member in more and more political advantage. For an outsiders prospective Rising's herd is no diffrent than the Canterlot herds of yore.
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The funny thing is that Monogamy may seem like a tool to keep males in control, but by their own Logic it's also mentioned to keep males weak.
By Elm's own logic, the struggle of mares to find a mate means stronger females breed. It also means weak males also breed. Since there is no struggle for them to find a mate. By Elm's own story his mother was hoofed over to his father with no effort on his father's part. This means that over time males become the sexually weaker of the species. One begins to wonder why it its that females seem to hold more of the political power in this world.
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I was hoping that somebody would notice this.
It is a central element to the story. It is one of the puzzle pieces of how things went wrong.
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Mares basically have to make themselves worthy of even a completely worthless stallions time if she even wants to have a family. Those that don't are left to believe they are worthless, or not worthy of being loved, and left without a family. Such things is what caused Fillydelphia to be created by angry mares who then basically created a corrupt foal protective services.
And then there were the sweeps House Avarice used to do to the Shetland Islands where Herd Marriages still happen. Because of the sweeps, the islands were run in a very extreme way that continued to put herd marriages in a bad light and thus gave credence to the above points to keep going.
Things went wrong in such a way that they seem to have created a self perpetuating spiral that kept them as such for a thousand years in regards to the herd marriages.
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Do.... Do you live under a rock?
6883610 nooo. Because if i did i would probably be one of those guys who say gay people are destroying our society or something.
6883652 Ahem. . .That's not exactly all that those sorts of people say, but. . . My point was that minorities have been and are attacked regardless of what they say. I'll be frank, A LOT of people on the conservative side of the political spectrum are dumb as shit and they don't give a horse's ass if you have the best-built argument for your cause in the history of debate. Saying that minorities aren't attacked if they use logic is like saying you can cure blindness by eating a shit ton of carrots. It sounds dumb and it's wrong, despite your probably-kinda-sorta good intentions.
6883915 i wasn't saying that at all. i am saying no one has ever a victimized a minority because it was based on logic or reasoning.
6877183 more like a word typing super machine. Seriously, his pace is ridiculous, but awesome.
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I know but that much more atmosphere was an unexpected thing. They'd have to be like dead center on the equator and have a much much bigger atmosphere on their planet which I'm not saying isn't possible just saying that those differences in miles going up could leave you in an awkward place... like only a short distance from the unforgiving thing called space. None of this being really relevant or based on real facts (that I would know as a fact at least) on my behalf just my insane mind rambling off into the while retarded blue that I so commonly live. Don't mind me please, in fact just pretend I don't exist and I'll leave peeps alone like I am supposed to.
The end of the story so far. A very interesting ride. Last time I posted a comment was in the 300's, a big delay due to family work and holidays but I just binge read the last 400 chapters or so in about 3 days.... I am going to be now. Night night
Oh rising star, I would immediately counter argued that, good on you for not.
And the hell did Belisima do?
6887612 wouldn't know, I'm one of the unfortunate freaks of nature who reads faster than KUDZ writes, but yeah it's well worth catching up on.
6900265 Well, you could always do what I did once you get all caught up..
Back to the beginning!
And by the time you get to where you were before, there'll be 30 or so new chapters. It's a winning situation.
6883915 Sure there will always be minorities who will be attacked regardless. HOWEVER the ones who that will work the least well on, are those who already set in their ways and dying. Already many of the children of the Westbro Baptist Church are leaving. More and more of the younger members are seeing how terrible, heretical, and WRONG their teachings are. In fact I saw a Racist family on TV. There are many younger people that set out and start to see that much of what they have learned is WRONG. I was raised in a more Republican family, but we all changed as we became more educated. The more we learned the more liberal we got. Elm is already more Progressive, and the more his children begin to interact with Herd families directly, the more they will start to see how little differences there are. They will see how much of what they were taught were lies and/or ignorance. It is for THESE people that Logic can save.
... why did this debate not happen on the chamber floor? Elm had an argument, a good one with historical backing. Why did he just fold like he did in the last chapter?