Every action taken is like dropping a pebble in a pond, creating ripples that extend ever outward. Every choice has consequences, good and bad... Putting on a Crown may have changed Sunset Shimmer's life...but it also Changed two worlds...
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your right about the bullying people not just deciding to be a bully but turning that way for some resion or another .back in middle school there was this kid in my class who always wore a hat cause he would lose all his hair . im handicapped i have cerebral palsy and ive never been confrontational so this kid would bully me all the time .it got to the pont were i spent the first week or so of the next year not at school because me and my grandmother were talking the the superintendent to try to make sure i was being watched out for .anyway to make a long story short i was bullied for having a handicap by someone who had there on problems most likely cause they themselves were bullied .
tldr bullies don't just happen. there made by others
OMG The fluff in this chapter! Nnnnggg, my poor heart!
It's hilarious how Twilight and Sunset are fooling no-one but themselves regarding their "secret" relationship~
Also, Twilight Velvet Best Mom~
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Teenagers, oi! :P
Sunset's teenagerdom is of course compounded by "HALP, I PONY, WUT DO?"
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This is it exactly. Bullying typically has a root cause somewhere. Its a symptom of something else. Its why I referenced Hey Arnold--One of the main characters in the show is a terrible, horrible bully, who reacts with violent threats and many times outright violence towards others, but when one looks at her more in depth character, she's a lonely, neglected little girl with a verbally abusive blowhard for a father and an alcoholic mother, and an older sister who is the "perfect golden child." It doesnt make her bullying right, but it offers a lens in media that, for the mid-90s, you didn't see much--that bullies are people too, even if they are in the wrong for bullying.
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So much fluff! But Christmas chapters should be fluffy. :P And yeah, the family knows, but they're...being discreet for obvious reasons. It'll be interesting how that plays out, ya know?
And I absolutely adore the way Velvet has turned out in this story. She's turned out to be one of the real heroes of Rubicon, right alongside Cadence and Luna.
Im glad your taking the time to show compassion for everyone. Beating people down who want to do better. Is a rather strange way for people, (not you or this story) make the world better!
The only thing I would say other then that very well done and love the outside perspective. With nice touch that they are not sneaky at all. Lol.
Neglect is abuse.
Not providing the emotional growth of a child. Tantament to sucide of the soul. Unacknowledge it can lead to pain that looms so very large indeed.
I was neglected and abused by my father. And inspite all some have a hard time coming out of abuse unscathed. What I like about this story touch on all those facets. For instance my father inspite of his abuse was shockingly enough was abused himself.
This does not make what he does guilt free. Yet, can we both not say choice is a funny thing? Often in life we our selfs imagining so few choices in life. Not everyone has the gift of a imagine a dream.
The will to see. I work with so many people that Do not see the world as I do.
Is that wrong? To be raised and to be different?
Abused?
Not abused?
My point is in your sunset didnt get choices.That could see. Because as child She couldnt. And being a child means being a kid. Being stupid. Though I myself never resorted to abusing people. I can easily see how it could have gone wrong if my mom and sister did not love me so.
My next is this why would sunset EVER know any different. Yes, Choices.
She choice?
But, look what she had to work with TWILIGHT has home love and support. What could Sunset?
How can a ABUSED CHILD MAKE A INFORMED DECISION IF SHE DOES NOT SEE HERSELF AS BEING ABUSED?
PEOPLE talked about choice like EVERYONE CHOOSES TO BE HOMELESS, or SEE a monster walk free from
No, Sunset REACTED the only way she knew. IN a rather real sense the only way she knew how?
Being a child. NOT BEING TAUGHT MEANS NOT KNOWING THUS LEADS TO BAD ENDING WHERE THUS STORY IS FORGONE CONCLUSION.
Thats what happens when your abusive uninformed or even then people make their own choices for you about your body and your mind. If you dont know how to deal because why would you?
Apparently bejng raised by a immortal. Creates a unstable children reading twilight, sunset.
Hell EVEN her SISTER. Is messed up?
When will feel the guilt the pain? She has caused? Because? She deserves to understands what she does to people fo herself and others.
And the thing is why is it A CHILDS FAULT FOR BEING A BEING A ABUSED CHILD. SHE DID ASK TO BEING UNLOVED, NO!
SHE DID NOT? SHE WAS NOT BORN LESS THEN OR NOT WORTHY. AND YET SOMEONE FOUND HER WANTING.
SO NO. THE CYCLE OF ABUSE HAS TO END WITH SUNSET. BUT, NOT HAVING CELERY see and I mean really see. REALLY see. What she does to people.
Is just sick.
Because shes going to keep doing it. Over and Over. Because shes immortal. Thus her suffering she causes will never end. Until someone says something.
Someone acknowledges the truth that is her fault. Ultjmately, BEACAUSE IS IT NOT THE RESPONAIBILITY OF A adult TO SEE TO WELFARE OF CHILD? For instance all that Good and Bad is my point can be contrunuted to Celestia with twilight? Well? Unstable unicorn and alicorn? Fefh. Ouch. I guess Twilight dare confront her perfect immortal pony princess mentor about her many many many faults.
Oh god look a honest emotional reaction in front of godhead. Strange that people feel the NEED to warp THEMSELVES. In her presence. If thats not wrong creepy and sick then I do know what is?
I mean everyone has to bow, everyone? Even your daughter?
Ps. My father never acknowledge the hurt he caused me and others. No? Stange no? I would if Celestia can can come to terms with that after all?
Night mare moon happened after all.
I wonder If you will write her repentant. And yet like my father before after alls said. A large part of me wishes that I never meet my father after all he brought mostly pain and suffering thay I still feel. Even now. My line is this. People have choice. I did not choose. My father. Or his abuse. Sunset did not choose to be abused or to not be loved.
How was sunset supposed to react to her abuse. That no prepared her for? That know told her about? Or even called ot abuse because it was?
How was supposed handle being abused exactly? With out the guidance of parent their how else would do?
Would anyone do better? I doubt it? I imagine considering how common it is. I IMAGINE having your world that is your parents. Does something so profound that its shakes you to your core. Forever. All because Someelse made a choice for you...
Thank you for the lovrly gift of this chapter. I had feels for the chapter as you can see!.Good job friend! If you find yourself disagreeing with these points I open to a discussion.
Ps. I realize this whole just reminds of being molested you know? Like I did ask to be touched? Or hurt so. I appreiate nuance. Their is very few story that touch on. That nuance and humanity. And yet when people Molest that others minds TRULY.
Becasue nuance is good until one had to calll it like it is. Because abused is not just pain it scars that linger. Its having the awesome person thay you knoe you are broken.
You can never be free if you dont acknowledge that you had no choice or rather someone took it away from you. After all as child, baby we dont choose where were born. We dont question that? Why how we did choose how we were raised?
Man, what a chapter. The gifts, the playing/banter and then the final gift. The little flashback with Twilight warning, well, Twilight about Sunset's reaction was such a great cherry on top.
This is such a feel good story for the most part. I live for these types of stories.
I do feel character plays a part in bullying though. Some people will resort to it quicker than others. And parents aren't everything. Friends for example can be an influence too. And there is a very small group that are born without the ability to feel sympathy and/or remorse.
Point is, I think it's too easy to say negative behaviour is always to do with the past of someone, because people aren't just born assholes. Some people are, or at the very least, are much more susceptible to demonstrate asocial behaviour.
Amazing chapter! After this Sunset really needs to tell Twi and possibly her family the truth about her past. You can do it Sunny!
Thanks for the chapter
This whole chapter was so heartwarming and beautiful. As someone who is horrifyingly diurnal (I'm lucky if I can sleep in past 5am most days), I can appreciate the pain of those who don't start their day until a few hours after Sol has graced the sky with its presence.
What really makes the whole thing work is the bits of comedy mixed in with the emotional moments. It gives the story levity to help cope with the heavier parts, and makes the whole thing digestible.
And then there's the ending, when Sunset has her catharsis and realizes that the Sparkle household really does care about and love her. The moment when she broke down and let some of the venom be purged from her heart and be washed away by the love of her girlfriend's family was really wonderful. Even if all of the poison hasn't been cleansed, she's at least getting it out.
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First of all, I want to thank you very much for taking the time to offer your comments and thought. I enjoy them a great deal, especially when they are as in-depth as yours. Its comments like this that make my day because I feel like I’m doing something right with my storytelling and characterization.
Secondly, I do want to respond in detail to your comment, but I would like to take my time in doing so, rather than offer something fairly “off the cuff”. Its clear that this subject/chapter has resonated with you on a very deep and personal level, and I feel, in return, that any response I give should be in kind, with due respect given to the story and feelings youve shared.
I didnt want to leave you hanging, and I wanted to ask if you would prefer if my response was in private messages. Im comfortable either way, but given the nature of the topic, I feel it important to ask.
Annnnd a one hoooorse open sleeeed! Seriously good feels going on here. These are some good people who open their hearts and home like this. One of the greatest presents/repayment Sunset will need to do for them eventually is to be honest about what she is... You know, once she knows they can handle it.
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Sure I would prefer. Privately.
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In a lot of ways, its meant to be a feel good story, partially because of the emotional moments and interactions, but also because at the core, the question/theme of the story is the very human concept of Choice, and how the choices we make affect us and those around us, for good or ill. Choice is heavily tied into the concept of free will, and the ability to choose, that freedom of choice and will, in turn feeds our ability to feel hope. Sunset chose to redeem herself, chose to be a better pony/person, and in turn, those choices are affecting her going forward in both immediate and long reaching ways.
Which ties into your point about bullying. Because again, i’m not justifying Sunset’s actions as the Queen Bitch of CHS—she was terrible. She was mean, and a bully, and cruel, and it was wrong—and yes, she chose to do those things. What I was trying to get at though is that choice did not get made in a vacuum. The things she experienced—often choices made by others that affected her directly or indirectly—were things that influenced the choices she did make. Its an extremely complex, very nuanced psychological thing, which is why, even now, over 200k words in, Sunset is still dealing with ramifications and psychological baggage, and why she will continue to do so for some time yet.
Even the people who are, as you noted, born Without the ability to empathize or connect with other humans have an explanation for their behavior. In those cases those people have something fundamentally defective about their brain or brain chemistry than blocks them from having the ability to feel empathy. It doesnt justify any bad behavior, but it does explain why it occurs, if only from a medical and scientific point of view.
At the end of the day, i suppose my thoughts reflect the kind of person i am. To me, the what of something is nuanced by the why, making the why of it critically important to understanding the what in its entirety. Especially in the gray area of human behavior and psychology.
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Yes, she needs to be honest...but that isnt always easy for some people, doubly so when you have a secret that can change how people see you or may not even be believed. Im sure she’ll get there.
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Im glad that the chapter has worked the way i was hoping for, projecting a lot of emotion amidst the little details. For me, in so many ways, this chapter is a representation of exactly what family and love are: comedic moments, shared joys, and unconditional love and support when you need it most, with the knowledge that family isnt always those who share your blood, but rather those who share your heart.
Sunset’s catharsis at the end there was something that i have to admit i rewrote three or four times before i felt like it projected the “emotional punch” such an intense moment needed. Im super happy that it seems to have worked out, given the comments on the chapter this week.
A very touching look at the world immediately surrounding our adorable teens from the parental perspective. There were some very well thought out presents there. I like how these little touches from Sunset could be seen as hesitant steps at building the basis for eventually coming clean. Twilight giving Velvet forewarning was probably extremely helpful for the final scene there. Good on her for doing so.
Just like your talk about bullies and abusers having things that make them who they were, when Sunset finally does tell them the truth about the Princess It will be interesting to see how that knowledge affects their opinions about her behavior. Like with bullying, they don't make it right, but they do make it more understandable. And then, should everyone actually get Celestia's perspective on things, that will shift it all even more.
Lots of things to keep looking forward to in chapters and arcs yet to come.
If the main OCs in this story were voiced, what would they sound like?
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What? What OCs? At present, the only instance of characters "not seen in the movies/show/comics" are a handful of what I call "background NPCs who don't really matter."
I'm a little confused, sir/madam...I think you may be posting comments on the wrong story.
'Scuse me I'm crying
"Hello Officer? I'm reporting a break-in by the author who is standing in my living room chopping up innumerable onions."
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What OCs?
Hello, yes, police? I'd like to report the author for managing to break my emotional mask and make me cry a tear.
Twilight's family are the best people in this fic
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I know kw this is prolly never gonna get seen
But I am someone who has been writing for many years and I figured I'd put up my input. (Without periods cuz I aint working right now)
Now I am someone who has especially written "imortality" and it's highs and lows including but not limited to familial relations, love, lifespan, curses all of it
For a god/ immortal it is not simple to love not in the least
Immortals can love mortals they can love the people they take care of but they will always have to come to terms with the fact that mortals die much faster than their forever still time can handle.like the lifespan of a dog except that they are more complicated than dogs mortal beings of intelect are very easy to get attached to and when an immortal gets TO attached to someone they know is gonna die Inna blink of their eye they try not to get to attached but still make the most of it
Therefore when it comes to the neglect sunset feels I feel for her truly as my own parents never gave me truly as much consideration as night light or velvet have BUT I also feel for the princess/ sun godess
She cannot defend herself against the things that people in sunsets life perceive her to be and probably wouldn't have the heart to
As benevolent as she is no one can be perfect the detachment probably a way to keep herself from being hurt sunset has her defenses over her heart and so do immortals for when they love deeply they can and will mourn for more years than any mortal mind can imagine
Like celestias many years without her sister
These are just my unwanted two cents but they are there my heart aches horribly and sometimes I even feel anger when they unknowingly speak of princess Celestia in a negative manner cuz no one knows her side at least Luna and human cel considered there's another part to the story but I guess thats what makes this story so human
Some people come to quicker conclusions than others they critiqze with the information they are given
I also like to envision that Celestia never treated anyone quite like
(On another less finicky note I'd like to imagine velvet realizing she's been fantasizing of slaping a litteral godess and probably still doing it if she deserved it but I know she wouldn't after actually meeting her...maybe...possibly)
to be fully honest, this chapter is making my autisitic adhd hyperfixated ass squeal with joy - i do relate to sunset quite a bit (except i have parents that do love me dearly) and this chapter kinda hit me in the heart.