Every action taken is like dropping a pebble in a pond, creating ripples that extend ever outward. Every choice has consequences, good and bad... Putting on a Crown may have changed Sunset Shimmer's life...but it also Changed two worlds...
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Oblivious princess is oblivious, saying that right next to Sunset. Of course, like Sunset says, she gets it a lot. It's got to be really tiresome.
I was really tempted to make another "fix" joke and have to physically restrain myself from doing that
Of course *a* Twilight would've made a list for that
Oh purple bookhorse, if only you knew how right that book was...
This is a very interesting subject and I'm eager to see how you work it out. I understand OOC why the mirror made everyone a Teen (target demographic hoo!) but it just felt so ridiculously contrived... Kinda why I also appreciate stories that have the ones coming out of them ending up naked, heh.
Heh, and things like *this* are why this story is among my favorites.
I find it fascinating how socially awkward and unaware Princess Twilight is and the contrast with Sci-Twi.
I've been discussing something like this with a friend and we keep coming back to the fact it being targeted for kids/teens, the writing staff didn't really bother to keep a consistent "lore bible" so to speak and just added to it when things came up.
THIS! THANK YOU!
I've gone into rants in the past how disappointed the S7 finale made me with the "official" takes on the Tree and Elements. I can pick a random piece of fiction in this website and 9/10 chances are it will have a more interesting origin behind the physical manifestation of one of Equestria's more powerful forces than "Starswirl & Co planted some random seed and pissed on it".
THIS! THANK YOU!^2
But no, seriously, one of my biggest pet peeves with the show is just how intentionally vague the writers were with the timeline. I've had a headcanon that Discord was 2000 years ago, after which the Sisters took their place as rulers and the intervening 1000 years before NMM are a long enough stretch for them to have done the rest of the feats they're famous for.
She *is* the intellectual equal of both Twilights, so it's no surprise. In fact I feel that's something many authors fail to take into account when writing her.
That *is* curious, Mmmm... 🤔
One bit of headcanon I've been playing with is Equestrian magic being emotions-based, with Dark Magic like Sombra's and the Sirens' being powered by things like fear and hate, and "light" or "Harmony" magic by things like love and joy. Could help to explain just why are there so many emotiphages.
I'm glad I was not the only one who noticed that Tara Strong did a fantastic job of separating these two as two distinct characters. It's sooooo subtle, like how two identical twins are close but not exact. And yes, make your own timeline, because you're right the tree and elements should be much older. I also don't like the Starswirl gets so much credit as if there were no other quality mages before or after him for centuries. On to the spiked punch bowl!
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As someone who has been on the receiving end of...perhaps not running gags, but of certain flaws being repeatedly targeted and pointed out by people who are supposed to be friends, it does get old and tiresome and disheartening very quickly, especially if said thing is either a past failing or based entirely on an outsider's perspective. And as someone with a volatile temper (not unlike Sunset's), it basically pokes the monster in the cage with a stick and you can't get angry, because if you get angry and lash out, you are perceived as being in the wrong...so you basically have to sit there and take it and smile and laugh it off as no big deal. Its not a great feeling at all, trust me.
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Yes, I am aware I am your literary drug dealer, here to provide you with your weekly dose of addicting chicken scratch. I'm totally not sorry for that.
A Twilight Sparkle has a touch of OCD--though in this story, the human one manifests it more as a symptom of her other mental struggles than an outright disorder in its own right. Of course she's going to make a list! She wouldnt want to forget an important point, especially when the subject is something so important!
...yeah, the one thing I did like about Starswirl is that he was a straight up curmudgeonly prick. Its a great example to me of how time and bias affect history, smoothing some of the ugly parts and failing to mention the bad as well as the good. (I also kind of like to operate with the idea that the "legendary Starswirl" known to modern ponies like Twilight and Sunset is actually an amalgamation of the real Starswirl, and the accomplishments, feats, and inventions of several other unicorn magi over a long period of time, much like "King Arthur" is likely the amalgamation of several real people from history.)
Two words: Temporal Distortion. Its the only way to explain all the discrepancies with the two worlds and the mirror in a way that makes sense with everything else we see in canon. I actually had to sit down and do math for this story...then figure out an answer to "why." All very important world building, and maybe when its all over, I'll do a huge post story write up about the world building minutiae. I could also make a macabre joke about Sunset's leather jacket totally makes sense in a way if you think of it as her wearing her own pony hide. :P And yeah, Target demographic is a big deal, but I like to avoid "OOC reasons for IC lore." Its a bad practice, one I got fed up with years ago because of Blizzard and World of Warcraft.
Still only touching the surface of the difference between the species. I've got an entire subplot related to poor Sunset being stuck between human impulses and pony ones. I suspect its a subplot later on that will entertain you greatly.
The marked differences between the two Twilights, are, the way I've observed, a direct correlation between the differences in humans and ponies. Ponies have a "love it better" mentality, whereas humans have this intense need to break something down and analyze it so they can figure out how to "normalize" or "fix" something. In this case, Twilight's particular mental health diagnosis gets a much different response in a human setting--children who are diagnosed with things like she has been dont really have "cures," but the modern approach for good mental health and enabling them to later be well adjusted adults is to teach things like coping skills and certain approaches to how they interact with the world and how they analyze social situations. Human Twilight, who has loving and well educated parents, has been seeing a therapist/psychologist since she was young (because thats what humans DO), and her entire immediate family is not only informed about her mental health, but have actively learned how to help her. It doesn't "Fix" her--nothing will ever do that, because that's not how mental health works--but it does provide her with a much more stable base to work with. (Keep in mind, we also, up until this point in the story, have only seen Twilight Sparkle, human girl, from Sunset's perspective, and mostly in environments where she feels safe: her home, Sunset's loft, or out with Sunset herself.) Conversely, pony Twi went from being a child living at home to living essentially by herself at a boarding school at a very young age, and seems to spend a number of years isolated and socially alienating herself from her peers, with her only companions an infantile member of a different species, and an ageless immortal goddess who suffers from "Emotionally Detached Immortal" syndrome. These things do not teach good coping skills and social awareness. Everything she's learned about social skills has been recent, and has been her coming to a conclusion, rather than being guided by someone with good social awareness.
Inconsistent lore is also a problem of "too many cooks"--you see it in places where you have a large number of people working on plot without a single individual responsible for lore quality control. I mean, they do try to an extent, but....no one is perfect, and without some sort of "lore bible" that is "set in stone", mistakes will happen, and several hundred episodes is a lot of time to allow for errors. (Equestria Girls seems to do much better with itself, compared to regular FiM, but even it has problems sometimes.)
Not much to add on Starswirl and the Pillars as a plot point that I didn't already sum up...without writing a dissertation on the matter.
As for the timeline thing, I suspect they chose the initial number: 1000 years, simply because it indicates an amount of time that the target audience would view as "impossibly long" (to a 4 year old, five minutes is an eternity), and just continue to use it because it is something they've already established and will continue to evoke that sense of being forever ago. (Even adult humans have trouble conceptualizing and visualizing numbers above a thousand without help. It runs into this sort of blurry abstract known as "many" at a certain point.)
Sunset was a prodigy, same as both Twilights. Heck, even in the canon Friendship Games, that big frigging math problem she and twilight do? From everything I can tell about that is that both characters were right until Sunset makes a very simple basic math error at the very end, likely because she was starting to feel the pressure. More than that, in one of the later shorts, when everyone else is studying for exams, Sunset is casually goofing off, is the only one to solve Twilight's sample math problem, and then instead of seeing her study, we see her beating Twilight at chess, considered by many to be the nerdiest of games (never mind that its about tactics and war strategy). Her backstory comic also shows off how she was top of the class in CSGU...Her arrogance is well grounded in the fact that she can often back up her attitude with intelligence and magical power.
I have...done some world building and lore construction on magic, emotions, the Elements, the two worlds, emotiphages, and other various errata for the story. I do look forward to sharing it a little at a time in the story itself. Bruhahaha.
So Sunny's going to be having some association problems for the time being, since she's around princess Sparkle-butt, but she want's to be around her Extra-nerdy flavored GF. Light, I'm really hoping that things don't go completly sideways between them once Twiggles learns about magic, and that her beloved has it.
Even if you aren't an alicorn princess Sunny, you are loved and cherished by people whole heartedly and with no reservations. The Sparkles love you, and you love them. Don't forget it.
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Yes, the subtle differences in the voices is just one of the separations between the two Twilights.
Ive got a timeline laying around. I keep adding to it.
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Yup. Confusion abounds, but if she can just hold on to the fact that her gf and the rest of her girlfriend’s family care, maybe she can get through this nightmare.
I like a combination of two explanations for everything being 1000 years ago. 1) history is hard and equestria seems to be a place where, if no one is passionate about something, it doesn’t get done. And 1,000 is a nice round significant sounding number to slap on events that just means “a long, long time ago…”
And discord. It’s possible that no one can know when some events took place, because Discord could have made it flow at different rates in different places.
And then they had that’s stupid play episode and confirmed some dates about Celestia and ruined the above explanation(s).