Nondis is a man who managed to find himself Equestria. While Twilight and the other princesses try to find him a way home, he realizes that finding a way back is only a minor problem in comparison to his growing attachments to some of the Mane Six.
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New chapter? Didnt want to get something done at work anyway.
My only response is:
I just...cannot get the image of forceful fondling out of my he...mind.
Of course, with the rest of this chapter I am having a ba... a fun time reading.
And it seems that Nondis boy will not be getting the sha... the short end of the sti ... um... will be getting a fair assessment.
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That chapter was all that and a bag of chips. Bravo. Loving this story!
Read it, going to sleep now, tell me when the war's over.
P.s. Found a nice picture, have a look.
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Best mother ever!
Haven't finished yet, but Twilight's dad is named Night Light, not Crescent... unless you're just using that as a nickname, which now that I think about it, is actually quite fitting. XD
Another excellent chapter. You do great with these, eh?:D
it was 1:00 in the morning would i started this and I would read this again
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Actually, Twilight's dad has yet to be officially named. Hell, another story I wrote, I named him Orion. All because official merchandising has yet to give him a name set in stone. For example: I shit you not, this is what the Gameloft game named him...
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So if others want to call him Night Light, then they should feel free to do so. But I'm naming him Crescent because I want to see the world burn.
EDIT: So this is probably an outdated source. I still wanna watch the world burn.
Can't get the image of a Roman legionare cutting down changeling out of my head.
I'm certain that if the circumstances were less dire, Nondis would've laughed his ass off at this euphemism.
Gee. Wonder where Twily gets it from.
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What a chapter So many hilarious scenes!
5264612 I second this xD, she is her own kind of crazy
No Chrysalis? I haz teh sadz nao...
Hmmmm...well, ya made it work, I'll give ya that
Random changeling encounters really don't do it for me but ya managed to pull it off in the end, so good on ya
I think I have two new favorite characters!
All this is just funny. Now im going tk kill one person for every day you dont put out the nwxt chapter
I agree with Nondis. Twilight wanted to keep him safe and gave him what appears to be the more dangerous job.
I think Twilight's mom is trying to take Celestia's troll title.
: I've had this title longer than I've had my hoof-wrestling title. Twilight Velvet is no threat to me whatsoever.
5264757 lol Yeah, it's an outdated source. Pretty sure the comics called him Night Light though. But, regardless, loved the 'Crescent' name concept. Though, seems to me that it'd be better as a nickname considering. But it'd definitely be very fitting as a nickname, and found it rather cute honestly.^_^
I was worried the story was going off in a different direction after the last chapter but you've kept the tone quite well. Glad this didn't turn into a dark, war themed story.
Not to sound rude or strange or something, but this chapter makes me rock hard.
Freaking awesome chapter!
That last line man so much yes.
I suggest you read this before you continue your story,
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/14407/22/hands/twentyone
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Before I do, mind giving me some context?
5268953 I can't reply to you until after school, I shall explain why then, thank you for replying and being understanding.
"As we all continued to move from cart to cart, we continued to detach ourselves to minimize the mass. Also, we started to see a noticeable degree of separation from one cart to another. "
Sorry if i'm a bit harsh about this, but from a logical viewpoint, which only takes basic mechanics into account, this it just nonsensical.
Reducing the mass makes NO difference whatsoever. The only difference would be disconnecting the engine from the rest of the train.
I can tolerate Nondis reasoning that way, but this plan actually working goes against the laws of physics.
While reducing the mass indeed does reduce the momentum, less mass also means less frictional force and less gravitational force. If you translate that into acceleration(or negative acceleration, for that matter), you get the same as before.
So, if you disconnect the carts after you disconnected the engine, the carts will still stay together, because the same negative acceleration acts on them.
It actually makes sense to disconnect the last cart from the rest, in the(unlikely) case that the column of carts comes to a standstill just at the point where some carts are already too far, so they do not pull down the last cart with them.
5270950 5270950 I guess I should have specified that the train does run up the mountainside. I'm stupid.
Two part explanation here.
My viewpoint:
Being that the train is running uphill, with an increase of weight and no force of acceleration to pull it, the weight being in the last car would gradually slow it down. Not only that, but considering that with each detachment, you lessen the force required to stop altogether. If you were going in a straight line on an even slope, then it would be fair game. But considering that the train runs around the mountain and upwards towards Canterlot (in a spiral as seen in Canterlot Wedding), the entire system of continued momentum falters as the object with the heavier load and greater friction (the final cart) is dragged down to a crawl by the time it reaches the top of the incline.
Allow me to simulate:
As the train climbs up the mountain and each cart is removed, your main force of acceleration that got you up the mountain is missing, and with each separation means that there is more space between the two. Reason for this is because of the gravitational force begins to pull it back down towards the bottom, causing deceleration to occur. And as they continued to remove each cart, the deceleration increased due to the weight of the final cart. By the time they reached the bridge, the caboose is slowed greatly due to the constant interference of the initial momentum. All of this is caused by a combination of the turns, the incline they needed to overcome in order to reach Canterlot, the weight of the cart with the passengers in it, and the removal of their main source of acceleration. All of this results into the situation within the story. And the final cart bumping against the one before it was based off of the transfer of energy from one mass to another (I was gonna say either Newton's First or Third Law of Motion. It could be a combination of both, but I may be mistaken).
TL;DR
Train goes around and uphill. Weight shifted towards opposite direction of climb. Removed acceleration. Gravity causes deceleration. Removal from total mass means less friction needed to slow down. Speed decreases overtime. Kinetic mass meets with an object with potential energy. Energy transfer ensues. Train stopped. Lives saved. HOORAY!
Thanks for pointing that out. I'll have to add that explanation into next chapter
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No, i didn't get the situation wrong. I already figured that they are running uphill. However, this doesn't change a thing.
If the last cart is full of people, then there is a greater gravitational and frictional force acting on it than on the other carts. But since it has more mass it also needs more force to decelerate.
->The mass cancels out of the equation. <-
If you don't introduce some other force, for example by making them improvise something to increase drag, the carts will stay together.
A easy way of solving that problem would be to introduce some damage to the suspension of the axis in the last cart(which occured during the attack and nondis noticed that). This could increase frictional force for ONLY the last cart, which would make most of the stuff that happens afterwards making sense again(except for the last cart bumping into the previous which stopped. If the second-last cart moved with higher velocity than the last, these two carts shold not meet again).
You can believe a physicist in that matter.
Best chapter yet. sooo gooooood new fav
5268953 Alright... this might be long....
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Then by that summary, your original plan would also prove invalid. Reason being that the train would actually be heavier than that of the final cart alone. Not only that, but if the carts were held together (with the exception of the engine), then the train would be too heavy to stop.
But there is another set of variables that we have yet to discuss. We went over gravitational pull, slope and weight resistance. But we haven't covered the other variables, like the grade (or level of incline), height of the mountain (which if we go by the episode Sweet and Elite that the city sits well above the lowest cloud layer), wind resistance (as the mountain air would carry higher wind speeds), and the degree of the turns. I would say distance of the rail, but after this next paragraph that would be a given.
Borrowing from my first argument, If we travel in a single direction as well as a horizontal slope, then the carts will continue to move in the same direction for a period of time. But then let's add in the level of wind resistance we'd encounter if we were at an elevation of something above the realm of 10,000 feet (or a little more than 3000 meters if you want metric). The levels of wind resistance there would be at worst arguably strong, and at best phenomenally powerful. Eventually that wind will slow down that train, but considering that there are no turns and changes in elevation, it would take it significantly longer to stop.
I've mentioned the incline earlier, but now let's consider the height of the mountain. It would take at least several rounds to climb that high. And those several rounds to climb would also mean a significant amount of rail to be laid down to reach the city (let me also notate that the mountain is also taller than the highest point in the city, possibly reaching as high as 20,000 feet (or almost 6100 meters), possibly even higher. So the train is trying to get to just the mid-point of that mountain, which is already at a significant height to be able to see Ponyville and the lands much further beyond it (which was probably why Celestia built it there in the first place). So the incline (adding that their guidelines to construction are similar yet different to humans) is a variable that could greatly influence the speed of the train. And to be honest, the grade in the show was already somewhat sharp as well. Not to mention we're keeping in mind that this is one of the largest mountains on the map (considering that a city is built onto it's side).
Carrying on, let's add our final variable. Just how sharp are the turns they used to climb a mountain that size? And if necessary, how many times would the rail needed to detour past a certain area that would prove to be too dangerous? There has been an incident already dealing with cave-ins with the train tunnels (go back and read Chapter 11). And I am sure that they would try their best to reroute the line away from any problematic areas. All we were shown in the show is where they climbed to the top of the mountain and bits of what was already below. We were never given a clue as to what it looked liked in between. We know that the turns are sharp in certain areas and gentle in others. For the most part, they're either running though tunnels along the outside, or they're running on solid ground just barely edging off of the mountainside. I'm also sure that their guidelines don't exactly line up with OSHA thanks to their having magic either.
Now there has been an issue with damages thanks to the changelings, I'll give you that. But the main mystery that remains is how the train got started in the first place. That will be answered sometime next chapter.
5268953 I don't remember when I started to read " It's complicated " but I do remember when and why I stopped, it was around the time I got to that one chapter when Nondis and twilight got all freaky in the bed but fortunately was stop by shinning, we all have different experiences in our life and we all see things differently too, so what I type this, it's from my own opinion and experiences.
What made me stop reading this story was for the fact that Nondis start to change on me, at first (too me) he was noble funny and had a lot of guts, but started to do things based on instinct rather than emotions, from the things I've seen and been taught sex/intercourse has one purpose and one purpose only, " to make offspring's " not to " relieve stress " " not for fun " "not out of love " and " not for pleasure " you can find ways to relieve stress, have fun, feel loved, and pleasure without sex, many know how to do that.
The saying will always remain true " love is blind " and I've learned that lust is master of disguise, so when I came to the part when Nondis choose to stay, I was still wondering what was going to happen with the whole twilight thing, he choose to marry her when he's known her for less then a year.
So I think back from where this all started and figure, he just doing it to get off, maybe am wrong but from the stories I've heard and people I see every day, some of them are in pure misery because of one thing, " sex ".
At the time it started to buzz in my head, from my one of my many idols words of wisdom, " was it worth it " and so I question " is sex worth it ",
I then began to research the question online ( Google ) and found one website insightful, it basically stated " Is 10 seconds worth everything " it stated that an orgasm last about 7-10 seconds at best, and asked is 7-10 seconds worth your reputation, fortune, family, friends, future or dare I say your dreams.
To me the first thought in my head was " no " but to others " yes " and I thought for a moment, how could it be " yes " but to my own experiences I realized it's because they lack understanding in emotions and in themselves, for I have made terrible mistakes before, mistakes I continue to this day make amends for, I thank my creator for bringing me to a state of mind where I understood where I am, who I am and where and what I must do to achieve and protect my dream.
For me sex can bring pain into one hearts, now you may wonder how, when it's simple, it's like drinking and smoking in a way, you don't feel happy so you try to convince yourself into a state of happiness, " sex " can be one of them, and sooner or later it will bring them more unhappiness and/or more pain and their misery will just go unnoticed because they keep thinking that their not doing or getting enough and put more and more on their hearts, I have a form of expression, let's make this simple with your heart, your emotions and you, and bring a question that I would ask those who enjoy sex more than love.
Would you still have sex if there was no orgasm in it ?
Let's say your outside your have an umbrella ( your heart/emotions ) and it's raining hail ( pain ), you can stand there all you want and won't change anything, you may think that your umbrella can take or you'll just ignore it all together but if you keep standing there your umbrella is gonna break and you are gonna get hit ( hard ), in this moment you have a choice you stay and take it like a fool or run into the clear open sky I call reality, there you will meet many things, but if you keep letting yourself get hurt you either gonna break a few bones ( parts of your life ) of die ( emotionally and physically ).
Not everyone has the same state of mind, to me Nondis is still learning, and experiencing things, so am I, but from my point of view, he doing things based off primal instincts rather than carefully put emotions, ever since I stop at the section where Nondis had to go through trails to marry twilight I ever so now and then and read the top section of every new chapter, from what I know so far, Nondis went through military training and pass and now from the top section of this chapter, the changelings ( not sure if spelled right ) are attacking.
I've been on FimFicton for a good time and have mostly read HiE and AiE stories, I read good ones, bad ones, awesome ones and NEVER READ AGAIN ones, and the ones thing I love the most in any story is originality, REAL originality, stories that aren't cliche, not the ones that go with the good guys fight the "bad guys" and good guys win, it is and always be so much more than that, the changelings are a prime example, they live off love, the emotion love, if they were a bunch of fluffy pink ponies who wouldn't BUT their not, they have black skin, fangs, bug like wings, holes in varies place on their body and glowing light blue eyes.
To me I never dare judge a book by it's cover ( never do when people always make fun of you because you have a mustache at the age of 10 ) but to the avenge person their gonna be afraid. Why ? Just like us humans as I learned in my life " we fear things beyond our understanding and control ", we fear it because it different and don't understand it, we of course can't control it and seek to destroy it, rather than to stop and understand it and accept it as part of life, maybe that what started this fighting with the changelings, and I can fully understand their desperation in living, their fighting is similar to the Transformers universe and their wars, they need energon to survive and live, so they fight over it all the time ( It's way deeper than that but it a part of it ).
Then in stories no one ever stops and puts themselves in someone else shoes/hooves and ask themselves, what would they do If their sister was starving and the only way to get it was through violence, what if shining was a changeling and twilight was starving for love, you bet you sweet ass he going to war to feed his sister.
So...to finish this long comment, I type this to express my opinion and ideas, this is and forever will be your story, whatever Nondis does is your choice and whatever the turn out for the changelings too, but I hope you can make/take the time to read theses stories and their outcome of things rather writing something that has always been done before AKA cliche, who knows I haven't fully read any of your chapters in a long time so I might be missing something in my view of things but hell either way I'll just wait it out you know,
Finally I thank you ever so much as to taking the time effort to read this and wish you the best with your stories where ever you may take them, have an awesome day.
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5275557 Yeah, at the the time I posted that, that was the furthest chapter he had posted, so I was pretty upset at the time. However, I allowed for the possibility that it wasn't what it appeared to be if you read the comment. As it turned out... well, you get the picture. Suffice to say, I'm still reading.
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*sigh*
I don't understand what point you are trying to make with that comment.
First of all, my first idea of what they could do(only disconnect the last cart) does indeed make sense, since the last cart is the one falling down the last, it has more time to slow down. This saving only the last cart is quite unlikely, since it requires the cart to stop at the time when the others have already dropped down(which is quite a narrow time window).
If you take my other idea and introduce a new force that only acts on the last cart(like the damage i suggested. I suggested that damage not because it would make sense that the changelings damages the train, but i suggested it because it would make the events you described possible, and therefore consistent. Well not all of them, but most of them.), the weights in the equations change, THEN the mass doesn't simply cancel out anymore.
If you want to consider air resistance, which:
a) depends on the velocity squared. If you want to stop a train it's not very uceful.
b) If the Train isn't going extremly fast(it's a steam engine, for celestia's sake), air resistance can be neglected(because the force depends on v²)
c) Air resiustance mainly acts on the first cart. So if you take it into account it's just one more reason why the carts won't seperate in the situation you described. Because the other carts are in the slipstream of the first.
I was simply trying to explain why what happened in the story the way it happened violates basic laws of motion. I also wanted to give you a possible solution to that problem. If you want i can write down the equations and show you mathematically why that is the case.
5276619 Well I may be (am very) wrong. But honestly, I really don't think that real world physics would even apply to this land. First, ponies have shown to walk off from dangerous falls that could break several bones, or possibly kill them. They can move clouds with their hooves via magic (considering that no such force would not even be able to exist outside of the realm of imaginary numbers). Teleportation, summoning, dimensional travel, time spells, all of it is in the realm of fantasy. It may be nonsensical by our standards, but what doesn't make sense to us does to them.
I may be wrong now, but that doesn't stop me from changing the scenario on a later date. Aside from that, I really wanna get started on the next chapter. My mind's a convoluted mess and this debate didn't really assist me but thanks for the discussion. It was fun and educational. And now I really need to get back to writing the next chapter before one of my readers kill yet another person.
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Yet a smartphone brought to Equestria works perfectly well, besides it being based on human world physics. If, like you said, our physics cannot apply to equestria, then nondis should have died when entering equestria and the smartphone also shouldn't work.
Just because they have magic doesn't mean that the basic laws of motion don't hold. Episode "It's about time" even proves that they do.
Newtons mechanics emerges from Einsteins theory of spevial relativity, when you apply the limit v<<c. If you look closely at the equations seen in the mentioned episode, you will see that special relativity is indeed a thing in Equestria.
The thing is, for me, inconsistencies like that(this isn't a small thing like i said, this is nondis' "big idea" which saved dozens of lives, and this idea was based on wrong stuff) simply KILL the story. From that point on i wasn't able to enjoy the story anymore, because everything was building on how his great idea saved lives, WHICH WASN'T POSSIBLE.
I didn't give you that feedback because i wanted to show how wrong you are, but because for me stuff like that ruins the story, and fixing that issue would make a huge difference in improving it. I also tried to be constructive in giving you examples how you could easily adress that issue.
But apparently i'm the only one being unconfortable with stuff like that.
5277381 To each their own, I guess. I learn as I go.
When Did that happened?
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I think the whole debate would have been solved if Nondis use the break that is in the caboose, less mass means less friction required to break. not all cars have emergency brakes but the caboose usually does. also Nondis is operating on his own knowledge, if he thought that detaching each car would have been more effective than that was his own misconception
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I just want to point out that getting upset at the way physics does or does not work in a magical land of talking ponies that has a sun that revolves around the planet is a bit closed minded. Just because it doesn't work the way it should in one respect doesn't me it doesn't work at all. Pegasus flight completely disregards physics and flight mechanics, but your hung up on how he handled the situation? His reasoning may have been misconstrued but it was a solid plan.
5282950 Daring Don't. Not really her who did it, but she did manage to get the assist. That small fib might just catch up to her later.
Cheers mate, finally got done with the chapter but have to say this one was a lil rush (or it could be just me but whatever). Maybe adventure is not your strongest suit or you just need this chapter to get it over with quick so you can go back to having the days go back to normal for the main character but I don't know, this is your story and so far others and myself are liking it so far. Don't let others get you down because of the mistakes, we live and learn by them.
Here's a cold one for ya ladrs1img.memecdn.com/passing-a-beer-like-a-boss_o_533346.gif
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If you want to use that argument, then using physics in the story in the first place is also a stupid thing.
Also it's seen in the show that pegasi abuse their inherent magic to be able to fly. Because without it, they can't(S4 Season finale).
Getting upset that physics doesn't work the way after the protagonist used physics(but in a totally wrong way) in my opinion is justified. Especially since i'm not just complaining but also tried to give advice on how this issue could be fixed.
And telling people that the way they feel about some issues is wrong is also close-minded.
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you are correct, your within your right to be upset or however you feel about anything you want. But just because it doesn't fit into your perception of what is or isn't does not make it wrong. In a fictional world Physics can work anyway the creator damn well want it too. For the sake of the readers sense of reality its best if that worlds physics work within what is known for the sake of familiarity. If the author want to say that two objects dropped at the same time, that the larger of the two will hit the ground first disregarding basic laws of physics, he is within his right to do so. And he can easily say that the laws of Magic trump Physics but emulate them to a certain degree. So go ahead and quote the laws of physics, it may help the author in the future, just understand that cartoon Physics don't always obey the laws of Real physics.
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Did you even read the discussion?
If the laws of physics don't work the same way there, then it doesn't make sense that human tachnology works or that the human is even able to survive there.
By the context of the story and the reasoning of the protagonist it is clear that the autor meant to use the laws of motion at that point. I'm not judging him, i studied physics, i know more than everyone else here that errors easily happen. You can just forget to account for a small detail which changes everything. Which is why i pointed out the issue and made constructive suggestions on how it could be adressed.
Correcting that issue would make the story more consistent. More consistency IS an improvement for any story.
If you don't care about consistency, that's fine. But don't go attacking people that just want to offer constructive suggestions and help to improve on the constistency of the story.
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This is what I have a problem with, your saying that if one aspect of Physics is different then there is a fundamental breakdown of all laws of science. Just because the laws of motion don't work the same as it does in the real world as it does in this fantasy world doesn't mean that rules about chemical bonds or other fields of science don't apply. Also as I said real world Physics do not apply here. While the author may want to consider them what is more important than the RULES is the STORY. Does the events in the story strictly follow the RULES? Maybe not, but does breaking those rules hurt the Story? Defiantly not. The story flow and events work well enough so anyone can follow it. If your getting hung up on silly Rules that don't help or hurt the story your focused on the wrong thing.
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First:
YES, if you change the laws of motion, EVERYTHING, how atoms bond, how smartphones work, how gravity works breaks down. Yes, i'm serious here.
Besides, like i already said, Newtons laws of motion emerge from the v<<c limit of special relativity. In the episode "It's about Time" you can see Twilight working with special relativity, which proves that special relativity is a thing in equestria, and by extension, for velocities much slower than the speed of light, newtons laws hold.
Second:
If you had actually read my comments, you would see that i made quite some suggestions on how he could bring his story and the laws of motion in line, WITHOUT hurting the story.
That these rules don't help or hurt the story is just BS and i don't know why you're deliberately trying to deny a flaw in this story.
It's apparent that the autor at this point wanted to incorporate some smart thinking of the protagonist in conjunction with how moving objects behave. He just made a mistake in his reasoning, which, like i already said, can happen.
I don't know why you have a problem in me pointing out said mistake and sugesting solutions on how he can fix that.
Perhaps you don't care about these kind of inconsistencies. But denying that they are there or pretending that noone has the right to dislike them or point them out is just being delusional.
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my problem is your nic picking about laws of Physics of a pretend magical world where the very laws can be subject to change to suit the needs of the story. What you are saying is that because what author doesn't fit with the laws of physics that is known to you that it hurts the story. I say that you bitching about it hurts the story. Your that guy at a magic show ruining the act telling everyone how the trick works and how fake it is. OF COURSE ITS FAKE, the point is to make the scene as dramatic as posible. If that requires the laws of physics to be ignored then good. If all you were doing was trying to improve the story then consider the author's intention. If the author wanted an accurate depiction of a train wreck then your suggestions would be valid, but that isn't the intent. It's a dramatic scene to raise tension and have a bonding moment between Nondis and Twilight's parents.