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Seeking vindication in the most unlikely of places, Luna enters Tirek's dreams to find it in the form of a simple question for the villain. But when the tables are turned and the truth laid bare for all to see, Luna realizes that the truth is not necessarily the best of answers, especially if Tirek is the one to tell it.
Big thanks to my editors Titanium Dragon and Selbi for all their wonderful help!
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Good story, my friend. I wish i knew that downvote came from though. Your story has only been up for two minutes and already red. Some people :/
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Oh well, if someone didn't enjoy the story, I'll have to try harder next time. And thank you for your kind words, they really mean a lot to me.
I wished I was as good as you with words.
Sometimes words make my head hurt.
This is good because there is no question of morals here. Just two individauls talking about deeds. Love your work like always.
I don't know about you all, but sometimes I prefer short and sweet compared to long arcs.
I enjoyed this, good work Bob.
I hope you were serious with not cutting my dick for having you wait so long for that edit. :V
damn nice story
This makes me sad that Tirek got sent back to Tartarus
so I'm assuming this isn't related to a light in the dark, since Tirek is saying that the ponies were the cause of his evil, while in the other story he destroyed his homeland himself. Either way, I liked this story more, probably because of the whole hidden evils of the ponies themselves.
Yes, because you so clearly asked for that in the many diplomatic talks between the two nations OH WAIT.
An excellent psychological dissection of Luna, but Tirek's story has holes big enough to drive a truck through. Still, Lulu wasn't exactly in an analytical state of mind when she came to this dream.
In any case, a very nice scene. Thank you for it. I just hope Luna learns from her past mistakes and discusses this with someone.
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Of course not.
That's the other editor's job.
Speaking of which, can you come over here? I need your help with something...
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And your comment got downvoted too.
Clearly they have it out for you.
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Ha, kind of my intention with his story being full of holes deal (because this is Tirek we're talking about), but I'll try to cover it up a bit more in the future.
4552106 I have not been on the best of terms with quite a few authors :( Just scroll through the comments sections of most of the featured stories and you will see. For some reason people just aren't being very nice to me :,(
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Cooking knives are for unoriginal kiddos. Real men use tooth pickers.
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Celestia never said there weren't any talks between the two nations. All she said of them was that Tirek and his brother came to forcefully take magic. It is actually fairly easy to see her as lying by omission due to the fact that she gave no indication of who they were, what their motivations were, where they came from, or even when it happened. Hell, there isn't anything more specific said of the events than that they came to steal magic and that the brother defected for whatever reason he did. I find it entirely likely that Celestia "forgot" to mention a few things about Tirek.
4552128 :D My friend, thank you for the hug! I feel so much better now :)
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Tirek is best villain. And you are one of the best authors on here for writing him so well.
Have you ever considered submitting this story to Equestria Daily? You can find out how to do so here.
Damn. So much left unsaid. A pity, unless there is another chapter coming...
4552135 Of course, it's always Celestia's fault, if a plethora of fanfics are anything to go by...
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I'm fairly sure though, I heard something to the effect that Tirek drained his own land dry of all magic before moving on to conquer Equestria.
So - Admit it, Tirek. Your self-righteous wrath is merely an excuse for your greed. What evils did Discord enact upon you, that you decided to betray him in the end? Why did you turn on him, while he stayed loyal to you? It seems to me, that your allies, 'your people' didn't just succumb to ice and predators. They just met the same fate as the one you meant for Discord.
Besides, I see, Tirek, what you're trying to achieve. You tried this with Discord, but I am not Discord. I live by the rules of society because I choose so, and I don't suffer because of this, conflicted between friends and freedom like Discord was. These are not chains, these are simple rules that make life of all tolerable and unlike Discord, they don't suffocate me. Just a lapdog? Just a princess? You don't know me and my life, you don't know my friends, my goals and desires towards which I work honestly and patiently. You don't know them and don't care about them because you never understood these concepts, never realized how immensely important they are. All you always cared for is power, which makes you a pathetically poor creature.
...also, am I more of Celestia's pawn, than she is, in the great game of keeping Equestria stable? Do you believe she took pleasure in the thousand years of unchallenged rule? That she does what she does for personal pleasure, to feed her ego, feel her power? If this is your judgment of what is Celestia's position in Equestria, then I truly pity your followers, and no longer wonder why your brother turned his back on you.
Best read I've had in a while (seeing as to how ALL of the authors of my favorite fics have decided to go 'off the grid' for a while). This is actually the first Tirek fic I've read, and I'm glad that this is the case. Great story! Instant fav! :D
Wow, Bob, I didn't know you were this good. Good job of adding an explanation that makes sense of the seemingly endless supply of external enemies who hate Equestria. It ties together the common threads of the Changelings, Tirek, and Zecora, in that they were all rejected by the ponies for being different. And given that outsiders are very scarce in Equestria, Tirek's saying that the ponies are xenophobic makes a lot of sense, especially when it is passed off that they would conceivably turn down helping foreigners, thereby making force the only way to deal with them. The villains, other than Sombra and Discord, all seemed to need something that they had to take. Nightmare Moon was Luna driven mad by lack of appreciation for her vital work. The Changelings came explicitly because they needed to feed off of love. Tirek being a king makes sense given his knack for strategy and his lack of decorum when addressing the princesses. Your choice of Luna as a character who could have been in the same situation as Tirek was brilliant. The best villain is the one who talks sense, and Tirek did a fantastic job of it. Your characterization of him makes far more sense than being inherently evil, especially considering it is canon that his brother was convinced to cease and desist before leaving. The show depicts the illustrations of wherever Tirek and Scorpan came from as looking very inhospitable and barren, especially when compared to Equestria. The fact that they were brothers makes it even more likely that they were royals on a mission. Tirek's behavior during his return is very vengeful; he does not pursue any strategic objectives or make any envoys. He is instead devoted to destroying it. Also, notice how in canon, his brother is not mentioned in any way that could imply him being alive. This adds more evidence for Tirek's argument in this fic, and also is the sort of action that someone would do if they had lost everything but the ability to take revenge on the source of their pain. Send this to Equestria Daily!
It's Solitare NOT SOLAIRE. Been playing too much Dark Souls or writing too much of that Celestia dating site whatever story?
Tirek is a dick, that was an unpleasant but satisfying read that got me thinking.
You know, if you want to make up a back story to make the villain relatable, you don't have to do it by making Ponies into genocidal baddies. Just sayin'.
Yesss. Feel the power of the Dark tag, RainbowBob.
What was Tirek's plan back then...? Ah, yes! He wanted to make the eternal night! sounds awfully familiar
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Well, this is from Tirek's point of view, so of course he'll make them out to be like that. Whether that's true or not is how much credibility you have for anything Tirek says.
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It feels fulfilling!
Ehhh.
This entire story hinges around a lot of headcanon and retcons to make it work. Also rubs against the portrayal of Tirek in the show. He's shown to be a pretty obvious liar and manipulator, but you can't lie in dreams cuz reasons. Also, what makes you think for a flying second that if Celestia was aware of the Changeling's plight she wouldn't try and help them? There are whole fanfics that hinge around this, and anything else would basically be OOC given Celestia forgave Luna, and Discord, the latter after he had used her mercy as an opportunity to betray her. That takes a lot of guts. Also, for all of his ranting, Equestria allows citizenship to Griffons and Minotaurs. His whole Social Justice Warrior bent comes off as petty, shallow, and misinformed when you think about those details.
It's not... poorly written, I guess, but some of Tirek's logic feels fuzzy. Such as when he starts accusing Luna of being Celestia's pet, an accusation which makes little sense. There is a germ of a good story here. There might be ways for Tirek to legitimately get in Luna's head since she's self-loathing and fuck with her, but this is... well, its a baseless rewriting of the show's canon in order to write a largely meaningless story whose sole purpose seems to be to be edgy.
4552991 the unreliable narrator can only be so unreliable if he can't lie in his own mind.
And it kinda spoils the story [1] if all he said was hogwash.
(And in the comics, at least, Chrysalis comes out just fine from being banished - finds some cute kittens to feed off of, plots the destruction of Twilight Sparkle ...)
[1] It is in fact a quite well written story. It's just that I'm in principle opposed to engrimdarkenment of Equestria through backstory asspull unless it is required for serious awesomeness, and although good, this story doesn't quite reach that level.
Dayum, Bob! You wrote Tirek awesomely!
I'll agree with FOME--potentially interesting, but the amount of flaws in logic and story are distracting.
Freakin epic!!!!!
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Bias is a bitch, ain't it?
Fantastic work Mr. Bob. One of the best fics I've read in a long time.
Dang that was dark. The dark side of a truth even if adorned with little white lies is a very potent thing.
I have done you no wrong!
Very well written. I enjoyed Tirek's view of the ponies.
- Ozymandias, Percy Shelley
-Gravemind, Halo 2
A quote is all that I can come up after understanding this story,
for my own words will not be enough.
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My response: So now you're a prophet? Or simply a madman.. taur... thing? Please, self-delusions are not truths no matter how much you believe in them. *smirks* You'll have to do better than that. I'm a human, a scientist. A genius who has seen every last aspect of my race. And I know very well the most abominable lies are the ones that people believe are the truth.
(Or to put it another way, "Bitch, please!")
Good lord, why is Luna so stupid?
This is one of those types of stories that piss me off to know end because it's another "Villain With Whom We All Must Agree", because the 'good guy' is too retarded to see through the VERY flimsily built deceptions.
Such as: “Justice. That’s all either of us wanted, wasn’t it, Princess? Evil has purpose, and if that purpose is to enact justice for what they feel they have been wronged of, then so be it."
Evil, by it's very definition, HAS NO JUSTICE. It has no mercy, no compassion, no honor, no honesty, NO TRUTH. Evil is the fount of all the most wicked lies and deceptions. If he defines his own actions by such a term, he is basically admitting he's unjust.
And this: "Such as thinking you ponies would allow mercy on my people and me and allow some magic to be returned back to our lands so that we may survive.”
He wasn't trying to take SOME magic, he was trying to take ALL THE MAGIC!! And where was his so-called concern for his people as he mocked the ponies and threatened to make them all slaves to his dominion? No, he only brings up this claim when it suits his need to twist the weak-minded Luna.
And then the bit with the changelings, dear god I could cut that idiotic argument to ribbons. Yes, we should feel sorry for an unprovoked invasion from a hostile species that used mind-control and also threatened to take over the entire nation. NEVER ONCE did Chrysalis mention starvation. Only megalomaniacal rantings and singing about a dreaming of world conquest from childhood (Well, I can't really fault her for that... so have I. But my plans are much better! And they're working...)
I fault Luna for being a pathetic disappointment.
4553437 Well, doesn't ALL social justice come off as poorly conceived for those capable of rational thought?
4554634 I am Alondro! Look upon my works, ye losers, and despair!
(there's a field of asteroids where a planet used to be, and a little sign posted on one of them that reads: "I meant to do that.")
4551971 Celestia is always emo and irrationally defensive in these sorts of things too.
Actually, EVERY 'hero' who's been in this sort of dressing-down story can't come up with a good defense. It's all part of the trope.
this was excellent
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I... sincerly hope you're aren't serious about the bolded. That this is some joke or reference I'm not getting.
If not... you're a fucking megalomaniac.