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And deeper down the rabbit hole we go
Nice I hope to see more of what happens to Blueblood with his master next.
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I posted this before, but I think it applies.
as always I love this fic, thank you for another wonderful update Trick
Great, amazing, fantastic, another Secret Journal update! This really is so fucking good!
Sigh.
I just knew Blueblood would end up abused in some fashion like this. It's so rare he's not. I'd hoped it would be different. I guess the temptation to fall to the usual fandom punching balls proved too great.
Is one of the fetishes femdom?
Even like she is now, she should balk more at outright cannibalism.
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Well it'd be a waste of perfectly good testicles if they didn't.
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Sometimes. Sparity has implied that.
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He's a butt monkey in canon. This is about the nicest that's possible, really.
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Just watch Mrs. Cake to turn out to have been a dom all along. tbh, her being poly with Pinkie Pie is my headcanon anyway. going by the cake twins alone, I wouldn't be surprised if she got stud service from Zhipporwhil's dad and Hippocratic Oath.
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probably. She's been off balance for a while, even if the lead up has been kinda fuzzy.
Man that castration scene was horrorifying. Though I didn't really get why they decided to do it. Was it just a fetish thing?
I can't tell you how much I love this story. Every time a new chapter comes up on my feed I get this odd feeling of excitement and trepidation (Exciteridation? No, Pinkie.) I know whatever happens in the chapter I'm going to be thinking about it the rest of the day.
I think that's because it always makes me feel so strongly. Whether it's excitement, disgust, intrigue, confusion, or sympathy (poor confused, angst-ridden little Twi), I never come out indifferent.
I can't imagine how satisfying this chapter must have been to post. So many puzzle pieces clicking together.
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You might like this story by Baal Bunny.
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One of my faves. And I should note, my disappointment honestly wasn't so much with your writing abilities. It's more like 8729518 noted, seeing a character you have a soft spot for getting really rough treatment. Though, deain, I would contest that this is objectively the best that could have happened to him, no matter what Team Mindrape wants to make itself and him believe.
Since Rarity is so extremely good at sewing it makes sense for her to be part-time surgeon. Kinda
Well, at least Twilight acquired knowledge of valuable secret from all this. Now I wonder if spell effects can be amplified by using more than one horn, and, as extension, if raiding as many unicorn cemeteries as possible and building horny Death Star is a viable plan of world domination.
It was perhaps unsurprising that the reveal felt kind of lame after all the buildup. Twilight acts like taking over the government suddenly makes sense because of this, but her being insane is par for the course I guess. Considering the silly but effective horn farming method it makes banning the knowledge seem pretty dumb, but only because the magic rules are pretty silly for it to be so trivial to multiply the available magical power this way. I know this isn't about magic systems, and there really is no magic system at all, but this is one of those things where it's just baffling that you could decide magic works this way; that it's not only tied 100% to a single physical organ but that anyone touching that organ can psychically use the power in it.
I guess the brainwashing they've been using is the real secret, since the horn thing is seemingly unrelated and once again doesn't explain why everyone is instantly on board with their plan once something offscreen is done to them.
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He got off on, presumably, a funishment. Assuming the flower works like in canon, it's pretty definitive proof.
how far does the rabbit hole go before we hit rock bottom? wait, that might be a trick question.
anyway, i've swallowed the red pill and i'm in this to the bitter end, so keep it up... it's awesome, kinky reading anyway!
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Well, yeah. The flower was proof after they had their hooks in his mind for weeks. Sure they hadn't used The Stone yet, but I strongly doubt they were above messing with minds before this, or that they wouldn't used a flower they manipulated beforehand, all to reach the conclusion they want. The Order thrives on confirmation bias.
Though that might be my frustration colouring my opinions again too. Castrating Blueblood because he was rude to Rarity once... ugh. I know the justification was how he mistreated the playmates they gave him, but the real reason is that he was rude to Rarity.
That's what it often comes down to. You could have used someone like Lightning Dust, who we know from canon doesn't care that she almost killed someone, or Wind Rider, who was willing to ruin Rainbow's career for his own selfish gains. But no, it's Blueblood, because he was rude. I mean, Diamond Tiara was rude too, are they going to cut out her ovaries now? That would be consistent. Horrible, but consistent.
I also wonder if the story should now have a Gore tag. On-screen castration deserves one, methinks. Remember, we haven't even seen a horn be cut off on-screen, but now we have them cutting off testicles, so... yeah.
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I don't think the descriptions are detailed enough to denote a gore tag. The darkhoof transformations are much gorier, and even there I balk at putting up the tag because it doesn't quite cross the line (for me). In the case of the testicles, it's clinical, not gory. In the case of darkhoof transformation, it's natural, and clean apart from the existence of the goo (which isn't actually blood).
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Well, either the order is manipulating the evidence to convince Twilight (very possible) or they're right here (also very possible). As for the rest, Blueblood is the only one that hasn't had on screen cummupance. Everyone else has reformed and/or been punished. They don't need justification for redemption.
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You could probably argue Zesty Gourmand
Poor Twilight. Her willpower has almost reached its limit.
It was a good thing that I waited with my arguments until this chapter as it made me rethink once again my stance and arguments about the Order. Although I should mention that I write these arguments not as a critique against the story but more for my own sake in order to test my rationality and develop a more robust moral compass. I have changed my mind several times about things as this story has progressed after all.
So then, here is why I think that The Order is morally wrong (as of right now).
First is as I have said before, the methods used. I am once again not a utilitarian. I do not think the results justify the methods. I am more of a contractist with a few rules borrowed from Kantian ethics to base the social contracts on.
What The Order does is that they are overthrowing the government in order to install their own and unless you can say that you think it is ok to overthrow governments because someone thinks they have a better idea then the government currently has (including yours) then you are a hypocrite (treat others as you want to be treated). the second problem is that The Order restrains those that thinks differently until they convert with the explanation that it is for their own good or that it is what they really want. As Rarity says, they think that assent is more important. Once again unless you think that it is ok for someone to do it to you then you are a hypocrite. They also do not respect the will of a person and treats them as a "mere mean" as the only options they are given is to convert or be subjected to some kind of "pleasure torture" until you change your mind.
Celestia's society was no better but even if she also committed unethical (to me) acts then that is no excuse to do so as well. It's a bit like Hegel's "pendulum" were a problem appeared and so Celestia overcompensated, then The Order overcompensate and we will see what happens next.
I also think it is a lazy solution. They blame feelings for the horn problem (I think it is stupid to hide that many alicorn horns by the way) and so the solution according to them is the change the feelings. They did not care for the longterm fostering of rationality in the population because they were too eager to get going.
Then there is the entire "Reaping" with the different ranks that are (if I read the glossary right) determined from the cute-ceaƱera and forward. this is the biggest mystery for me so far but I have my suspicions about it that I hope are not true. I do not know enough about it to say if I think it is unethical but if it forces you into a rank that you can not escape then I do not like it. However it can justify it in a way by using determinism. If free will is removed as a factor and "properly" used then you can "enslave" a population as it was not "free" from the beginning. But I am a pragmatic and I think it is un-pragmatic to embrace hard-determinism and so I am a compatibilist or soft-determinist. That is to say, I do not care if free will does not exist and so we should act and judge as if we had free will if the decision came from inside us. Now, many of the pragmatic problems are solved in The Order but I still worry about stagnation. I still do not know enough to make a conclusion and I have a headache right now so please excuse me if I do not make any sense.
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Even then, she got a defeat and the restaurant stayed open. That diminished her clout in and of itself. So it's some comeuppance, even if only a black eye.
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I think that its true that no one is the good guy in this situation. The Order here is nothing like the Order at the beginning really. The explanation is that in the beginning they were all super horny teenagers, which just doesn't do enough work to justify everything that happened. The horn thing doesn't either. While I do think that self modification of governance is an important principle, they needed to get Twilight on board first to have any claim to legitimacy outside of outright warfare.
That being said, I don't agree with your perception of the way they use people. Taking a sexual orientation test does not make you gay. It just tells people about what your sexual orientation happens to be. While the reaping is less cognizant of changes over time than we expect IRL, it's not much so for a period of two months. So when the Order has Twilight fuck her parents, it's because Twilight does in fact want to fuck her parents. Which really is because Trick wants to fuck her parents, and is the part of the plot that makes some sense.
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The dent in her clout was probably an unnoticeable drop in the bucket if we're being honest. Most of Canterlot is too elitist to give two darns about Mr. Defeatist and his daughter Hotstuff Waifus restaurant, so really she's probably still out there being Tildemort all over the place.
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Even with Twilight I would consider them illegitimate.
I am unsure if you reefer to my thoughts on the reaping or the "mere mean" part. I do not know enough about the reaping to make a conclusion and can only speculate but the treatment as a mere mean is about having your will respected.
If I remember correctly (but not which chapter) the treatment of those that do not want to convert is to be imprisoned and to taste the wolf. It is not outright stated (I think) that the prisoner is forced to taste the wolf but it is implied. To me this is wrong. If someone does not want to follow the social contract then they should be allowed to leave but forcing someone into one is a type of slavery to me. Because it is not about what the prisoner wants but what the jailer wants I take that as treating someone as a mere mean. There is also the thing about if the jailer thinks it is ok for someone to imprison them until they chose to convert to something. Then there is the decision it self. Lets say The Order captures me and in my reasoning I do not want to convert as my principles are worth more then the pleasure that I am offered. Now here it gets interesting as it depends on if we have limited willpower. If we have limited willpower then I am being manipulated and it is not so much my will as it is my faulty body that is being used. If we don't then I am to blame for giving up.
This is also what I think The Order is doing to Twilight but as I do not know if willpower is limited or not I am exited to see what happens (Trick is an expert on psychology so she should know).
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It's both the reaping and the mere mean. When the Order captures a pony and forces conversion, they're not converting the pony. They're working with the pony to fight off mind control, and then supporting the transition to a post mind control state. At least, that's what they say....
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If there had been a rational discussion and not so much forcing and secrecy around the stain then I would have agreed to have it removed because as you know, Celestia did not trust ponies with their own brains so she put a lock on it and I think thats bad. So "working with the pony" to me does not include keeping you against your will. Converting might not have been a good word but it is very important to me that you are given an actual choice.
Lets take Major Mare. She was given a choice but no matter what she would have chosen it would have ended the same. Thats not moral to me. Of course what Twilight did I also consider to be immoral and I am also disappointed at Major as she acted in "bad faith".
But yes, all this is assuming that they tell the truth.
Then there is the whole "identity" thing "are you the same pony I knew?" which is also an interesting discussion but I think it is more of a technicality.
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Which is all true. They ought to have convinced with discussion and evidence, they seem to use that tactic off screen a whole lot, and they had the chance at the dinner. That's one of the plotholes, although I guess they're panicking and improvising when they're dealing with ponies that oppose them.
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There must have been something I have missed. What plothole? And for that matter, what are the rest?
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Well we assume that a lot of discussion was happening off screen. For all we know once the ball started rolling with a few ponies like the royal couple, pinkie etc it could have all been like Mayor Mare.
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They say things about convincing with logic and reason alone, but yes that's never shown on screen. As for plotholes, the things that stand out to me are:
The change from the kidnapping track to the more reasonable one here is insufficiently justified.
Twilight's levels of resistance change abruptly. Her temptations are not a clear build up, when she gives in it's not immediately obvious as a binge and purge cycle.
Celestia and Twilight are periodically simply unreasonable, which is out of character.
There may be more I'm not remembering.
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Yes, they say that reason and logic are used. But for consideration:
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Well I guess it depends. This is how I explained it. The first point is pragmatic and perhaps utilitarian. The Order need a foothold and they want to appear reasonable so by getting into a position of power they can safely spreed. They do not actually care what you want, only what you "actually" want. Your assent, not your consent but it is better if on a large scale beings came to them willingly and kidnapping does not help with that.
The second point I thought it was understandable. Her willpower has been slowly grinded down, her state of mind is in disarray and her logic failed. It does not help her that she is constantly put in a very emotional state.
The third point is interesting. Twilight have problems with thinking right now because of feelings and a lack of knowledge. So she puts up mental defenses to keep her "sane", reason be damed. Celestia too has feelings and seems to be prone to the same defenses. I think she feels guilty about the horn thing and so she overcompensated. The thought that she could be wrong is just to damaging for her that she refuses any discussion about it. They are both trying to protect themselves I think.
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idk, maybe I need to reread it. Maybe the people who think these things don't quite add up already left.
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Im sorry only blueblood needs comeuppance? Where is the comeuppance for the entire order? They claim to have had good intentions but their method is arguably worse than what celestia is doing which consisted of rape pedophillia and torture anyone who disagreed was efectively tortured by their loved ones turning against them and be raped by said loved ones or isolated until they succumb to sexual torture nevermind what they did to the CMC and thunderlane