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Equestria has plenty of history of mind manipulation to show that it's quite easy to control how someone feels
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This is true, but it's not exactly fine-grained control. Love poisons and want-it-need-it spells aren't subtle.
Who's the powerful friend Luna is talking about?
Well, looks like some common sense at last! Do please listen this time Twilight, and keep your head on straight.
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Then Fluttershy needs to be very careful around RD. But that still doesn't explain why they wouldn't try and convert RD and that Fluttershy wouldn't be the one to do it. Which is my original proposal that no-one has yet, in my view, to actually find fault with. That it is possible that the reason why FS is in the crystal palace. She may or may not be regent but, she's actually there for Rainbow Dash.
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No, but you implied, which is just a lighter shade of gray a deception than outright lying.
DOT DOT DOT DOT ELLIPSES ELLIPSES ELLIPSES
A non sex issue is one of the reasons why we need to change to a bdsm sex vampire culture.
....
Not even remotely likely, but an entertaining thought. Rainbow Dash at a crystal ball surrounded by crystal cocks predicting the downfall of Twilight.
You know, it's a good thing Twilight isn't a Shonen protagonist, or she'd have chafed at that something fierce.
Celestia knew the secret but not Luna? And it's not sex related. And it's Unicorn specific, with no mention of gender.
I guess I'll believe in when I see it.
That's a strange claim.
Follow the Order... Like it's some compulsion or command laid upon them?
Also, the conspirators appear to be keeping Celestia's secret to themselves. WTF?
And finding out Twilight is fated to fail is just lol. Of course she's preordained to fail; regular impossible odds were just too generous. At this point she's entirely at Luna's mercy anyway; would she let her go if Twilight actually stood a chance? It's almost cruel. I wonder who Luna's friend is; do we even know of anyone other than Twilight she's friends with?
At least Luna made sense regarding the sex stuff, but it sounds like she's just filling in the blanks on her time travel mad-lib because Twilight can't do anything anyway.
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It's Chrysalis isn't it... after I just said I'd be bummed out if it is the Changelings ......
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Wild Mass Guessing Time!
Starswirl (master of time magic), Starlight Glimmer (insanely powerful and kind of insane already), Sombra (Vampony Prime), Past!Luna (retroactively messing with Twilight).
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Even that pacifist Buddhist vampire that only drinks synthetic blood, for fear of harming the bacteria? Or maybe that vampire nun that works night shift at the children's hospital? Right now the Order appears to be somewhere between the Jews and Jonestown. Except the Order hasn't killed anyone and doesn't seem likely to. Hell, they're apparently even getting better on consent and communication, though that doesn't excuse what's already happened.
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Hrm... If I were to guess, I would probably say Twilight in the mobius double reach around.
I'm curious just how deviant Twilight could possibly get.
7358044 Reminds me sort of of a twist from the Pony POV series. In the bad ending universe where Discord wins Twilight and company spend a thousand or so years under his constant rule. Eventually Twilight goes Nightmare, but instead of just killing him and being done with it she traps all of Equestria in a thousand year time loop, constantly growing stronger with her ever growing hatred of Discord all so she could make him suffer more. All the while just making the situation worse and worse because of it.
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I know it's mad guessing time. But it could be just Rarity. She has been very active in ponyville and could've been quite busy making sure Twilight is well conditioned . With the help of others of course. It's just that Luna isn't willing to tell Twilight who.
Though any of your guesses or older Twilight would be fun too.
Though I think the biggest smack down, on poor Twilight... if I were cruel......
would be: Celestia Bwahahaha
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There's a reason. But your frustration should give you a window into what Twilight must be feeling, and therefore what Luna probably intends Twilight to feel about a secret being withheld from her by somepony...
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I understand.
Hopefully the secret will be revealed soon, but that part of the story has already long since been planned.
7358129 why should she give a damn about what Celestia's done compared to what everyone else has done. Frankly, after this if Celestia somehow supressed some desires of ponies, Twilight should be ready to volunteer to help her improve it to the point ponies make foals by standing in front of a magic mirror
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It's a little small but that's the premise of the pic.
7358329 that's why I made that reference
7358338 Yep, but not everyone would have gotten the reference on its own.
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I was only offering a possible explanation for Luna's reticence that had some face validity. Not saying it's true, and definitely not defending it.
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Just because community pedophillic BDSM isn't your kink doesn't make it wrong, right?
7358375 Well they clearly want it, even though they are minors. Sorta hitting a legal/moral crossroads on that front. They're old enough to want it, and know enough about it to handle it better than some adults *cough Twilight cough* so it's a confusing mess of moral grays.
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7358413 and they clearly wanted Miss Smarty Pants after Twi cast the want it need it spell. They've been mindfucked by the vampnies once, why is it so easy to believe that goes away?
7358423 I never said it did. But the fact remains that they want it. There's nothing stopping them from just refusing to touch Twilight. Nothing shown or stated at least.
7358428 I see, so you consider behavior done while mind altered to be legitimate. I don't. If you only want something because you;ve been mind controlled into it, then you don't want it
7358434 Well unfortunately under the Order it is in fact the new want. And since we're not looking at a victory for team puritan anytime soon better just buckle up and ride the waves to their conclusions.
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You kidding? they're handling this more maturely than *all* the adults on every side. At this point, Celestia saying fuck it and giving the CMC regulatory powers over the order would count as a good ending.
Of course, allowing for foals to be informed and capable of desiring/performing a recreational activity in fiction is apparently cause for paedocide.
7358457 Yeah, well excuse me while I spit out all that straw from the declared assumption I was defending mind control pedophilia as a good or natural thing rather than just the inevitable norm that readers will have to get used to.
7358462 why does it being the norm merit defense?
7358478 It doesn't. There being multiple points of view to consider does. The fact that they now want it, fucked with or not, warrants looking at it from more than one side. From their perspective this is the norm, and they can't believe otherwise. The only ones in the explicit wrong were the ones who initially started forcing things on everyone.
The actions, while pedophilic, can't be blamed on anyone present in the clubhouse scene and depending on how luna was involved the dream sequence. While it was wrong to capture and rape them into wanting it, in the end they now have wants and desires, that is undeniably fact. Now that they want it, and are capable of going about things in a relatively sane manner we have to weigh their actions by their actions, not the change that's already occurred and to our knowledge can't be undone.
Is it wrong that the CMC have been forced into the situation? Yes. However, now that they have, there's nothing we can do about it but accept that they've been changed and move on.
7358507 I don't see why it has to be accepted. The entire Mane 6 was Discorded, it wasn't accepted these were their new personalities
7358511 No, but the discording can be undone. Unless a magic spell gets farted out of Tricks ass that undoes lobotomies this can't be undone.
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No, that was a jibe at someone else.
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Now that you've said it, I have to expect that Trick is going to slide that scale away from "mind rape" and more toward simple permissive environment + education, just to try and get the waters muddier.
7358526 I was referring to a previous comment made by someone else. I'm still trying to get some from between my teeth. And yeah, "knowing" Trick I wouldn't put it past that rascally author.
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but they haven't gone through personality changes, magical or not. At least not beyond puberty and holding the idiot ball, which often go hand in hand anyway. Granted, they don't understand consent properly, but that was obviously true beforehand.
7358555 they are committing sexual assault, that is a change in personality
7358526 when brain damage is necessary to undo it and permissible by those who want it undone how do you muddy the waters?
I'm going to say what everyone's thinking, Luna's "powerful friend" is none other than the dastardly Tom the Rock
7358591 Boulder is more powerful than Tom. He's Mauds rock after all!
7358579 To quote Silver Quill "Now you invoke a new power, an evil force known as: RETCOOOOON"
Edit: Edited with a more accurate quote.
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I'm not sure it is, though. I mean, they've screwed up their friends numerous times in every non-sexual thing they tried. Why would sex be different? Fluttershy was traumatized and miserable during her modeling career. Pinkie Pie was *way* more mentally broken when thy tried to throw her a surprise party than the Order ever managed with anypony. There's more instances of them screwing up their friends than I can list, and that's before you put in any contributions to the fucked up Puritanism of this fic. The whole show is full of deceit, poor communication kills, and mental illness. If you don't think of sex as special versus any other hobby/activity seen in the show, then it's perfectly in character.
As for the CMC, I noted that Trick deliberately avoided saying what they were forced into. It could have been rape. It could have been a temporary vampony transformation. It could have been a front row seat to a hooves on sex ed demonstration. It could have been entirely rape-free, theoretically. In any case, the brain thing happens after. Think about it like being catholic and communion. You don't get turned catholic because you get force fed some crackers, you take sacrament because you're already converted.
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Well, this all started when Discord broke cannon. A retcon would not be the stupidest solution. Maybe second stupidest.
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It's at least implied. That middle part in particular.
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and had to go fix it
If that's not a checkovs gunman I don't know what is.
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It is implied. . . Maybe I'm being paranoid. Or maybe Trick just wants me to think I'm being paranoid. Damn you Trick!
so I see some mild WMG going on in some of these so I'm gonna throw out mine. The baddie behind this is Twilight. We've lready seen one Princess with time travel shenanigans so there will be abother and it'll be Twilight assuring her own rise.
Personally, I'm just at a point where I want to see the vampnies suffer, so I say break Twilight, even take her "marbles" Cause her "sexual awakening" has done a lot but it's also failed a lot. It's been more traumatic and drawn out than anyones. It's done nothing to inspire any loyalty and I'm not sure there's some ingrained stuff in the conversion
So, so far they've shown Twi that consent is meaningless. Anyone can be made to want anything eventually. Physical force is okay. You're always right, the ponies disagreeing with you are wrong.
Let's let Twi become the vamponies boogeyman. Assaulting anyone, ignoring what they say, because she knows what they relly want, after all hasn't then been what she's learned. Saying you don'twant something just means you're to "fixed up " to know what you really want
7358756 Or maybe it's yourself from the future is using the penname Trick Question to make you paranoid that Trick Question wants you paranoid enough to think you're paranoid.
7358761 I can definitely see something like that happening, but I doubt it. They'll have three princesses on standby. And Twilight will probably be sans horn by that point anyway. Even if she does become a little 'off' they'll be more than capable of containing her.
7358768 do they definitely chop the horn off before the brain oppuration. And didn't the vampony transformation bring a variation on the horb back? Maybe she shapeshifts and doens't shift back
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Future me will have had done such shannanigans in the future past. It will have had been just like me to would have had done that.
And TimeTraveling!Twilight as the big bad isn't crazy, if she gets Luna and/or Cadence on her side. Eventually, she'll take her own virginity and marbles.