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Will this story have any sex scenes, implied or otherwise, where the woman does most or all of the work?
This story just continues to fascinate me for reasons I don't fully understand or can't really explain well.
8943554
There have been several lesbian scenes so far. I'm not sure what you mean exactly.
Moondancer gets told off, Blueblood has his balls cut off.
Yup, sounds about right for most stories.
Not letting that one go.
Is Twilight lying, just continuing to be an idiot, or are we supposed to act like lack of consent isn't the primary problem with the Order. She says explicitly that the evidence is in their favor when that's quite clearly not the case. Their only argument is "everyone will agree once we force them to agree." They control media to remain hidden while brainwashing ponies like that's not a red flag that their ideology has earned no place in the world. They do nothing but lie and enslave ponies while hiding behind a smokescreen about sex/fetishes not being evil, and Twilight just eats it all up.
This is just another stage in the story where you wait for something external to happen because the protagonist has no agency. She even betrays Rainbow Dash for no particular reason, like she's just ambivalent even about her friend.
Alright Twigglewiggle, you'd better not disappoint with a title like that!
Great. Show it. It might help just a teeny tiny insignificant bit if you actually presented hard, scientific evidence for a change.
That sounds absurdly inconvenient for the cunt. What if they have to be somewhere in a hurry? A doctors appointment? Time to save Equestria? I don't think they thought that one through very well aside from Masters and Ladies getting what they want when they want. They should probably include an emergency clause for times they can't stop to fuck without being late for something important.
Yeah, I'm sensing a sudden swerve in the story too, Twilight. Can't wait to see what happens next.
8943585
To be fair Bluebloods crimes in this fic were significantly more severe, so naturally his punishment would be significantly worse. At the very least Moondancer has a legitimate reason to be angry at Twilight.
8943750
True enough, I suppose. I'm still really, really unhappy it took this turn. It's one of the most horrible things inside the fic to me yet (not the most horrible, but up there with the worst) happening to a character I have a soft spot for, partly because he often gets a raw deal for something fairly minor. The story trying so hard to justify it as the moral thing didn't help any.
I'm kinda worried it'll cling to me, souring the rest of the story.
8943770
Well, given the comment sections history you wouldn't be the first. If it bothers you then it'll bother you. And if it sours the fic then there's always the chance for the odd spinoff fic that might come from this that won't mention Blueblood.
8943784
I'm not throwing in the towel yet! It wasn't the first bit of body horror, and it probably won't be the last. Who knows, maybe Twilight will witness the forceful sterilisation of a mare next. I pray to God she doesn't, but it would make for a twisted sense of balance.
glad to see an actual mistress.more can't come quick enough.
8943802
I guess Mistress Orchard Blossom doesn't count?
8943602
Well, we're told that the foals consent. They seem to consent. Either you accept that they do in the story, or what we see in the story is a deception, or you just reject the plot outright.
8943691
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I mean, the idea is super hot. Practical concerns aside, who wouldn't want to live in a world where sex is as accessible as a big mac? (Wait, that came out wrong. As accessible as an Orchard Blossom?) Its probably just another of the "sex utopia on the fly" things. TBH, all the readers probably have more experience in what the Order is trying to do then the characters by now.
8943794
Well, if you were writing the Order of Spring story where Blueblood was a happy, well adjusted submissive in a loving relationship how would you do it?
8943824
Most likely in a way that would still allow him to sire offspring, even if just in theory. Cutting him off from the genepool forever is plain depressing, and instead of using magic or drugs, they literally chopped his balls off. At that point, the Order might as well start cutting out tongues and poke out eyes, that's more effective than gags and blindfolds.
We know they don't actually care about their victims' wants since they will cheerfully manipulate them using whatever tactic they have, so Blueblood's agreement to it was meaningless (and they would have done it anyway; Cadance admitted they give a rat's ass about anything but their convictions). Note that before, with the horns and wings, it's always under the premise that they grow back. Not so here.
So yeah. Not that. And foreshadow it better. As it's now, it does come across as a horrible punishment inflicted on an often-hated character thinly-disguised as a good thing to happen to him.
I really hate that chapter more and more.
8943883
I get your hate. Personally, I don't get people who are into that sort of thing IRL. I guess it doesn't answer my question though, other then saying you don't like that fetish or how people treat that character.
8944081
Actually, I did. Let him keep his balls. Foreshadow the submissive tendencies more. Make it look less like a horrible fate that'll get inflicted on him for out-of-context reasons and regardless of his wishes, ease both him and the reader into it more. Maybe show the loving home instead of telling.
8943824
Children can't consent. They are too easy to manipulate. We have met barely any ponies who consented to joining without duress. The cult even explicitly says they get assent, not consent, if I'm remembering right.
This chapter made me angry, like really angry and I have been thinking about why that might be. I am still not sure however. I know I was annoyed when Twilight started to flip flop because I do not like it when people flip flop, then I got subsequently angrier. When Twilight shows Cadence her journal entry, Moondancer and finally when Twilight "rats" Rainbow Dash out.
But why am I angry? Is it her change of heart? Her submissiveness? Her acceptance/forgiveness of what the Order has done and will do? A combination?
I am only slightly annoyed by her "flip flop" by principle as it was not a very good idea anyway so that can not be it. But those other two is what I think was bothering me. First is her acceptance of her "fate" and her confessions. As I have said previously I think "the ends does not justify the means" and so when Twilight sort of says that "yes they do" because she wants to stop feeling bad and start to feel good I get furious. It is after all my version of "evil". Then it's the submissiveness. In principle I do not see any wrong with putting yourself beneath someone else. But the (I guess) "fetishisation" of it, making that a cultural norm and then enjoining it just rubs me the wrong way. Why however I am not sure. I think it is because I value choice and that you should not act in "bad faith" (do note however that I am not going to go moral crusading against those that like this fetish, you do you).
I can understand Twilight and why she do as she do but I guess that says something about me. I value morals above wellbeing. Or do I? It is easy for me to preach, I am not the one that has had to go through emotional trauma. So I should not be too quick to judge.
8944441
There is just one problem: What makes a child? Is it age? Is it rationality? State of mind? "Easy to manipulate" is not enough on its own. Otherwise yes, the Order does not care for consent but assent and I do not like that.
On another note I'm starting to get the slightest sneaking suspicion that Trick ships MoonLight just a teeny tiny bit.
8944293
So, other then the gelding fetish it's mostly more screen time and background. Not necessarily anything Twilight would see.
8944441
Women, children, negros, and animals can't consent in that order. That's how consent was constructed to begin with. With women and minorities, this has changed as society recognized them as people. Now, children and animals aren't people in the same sense. Children start out as non sapient animals and slowly grow into full personhood- most likely sapience is achieved around 2 years of age. Animals stay non sapient.
Animals are by and large naturally sexual animals. Absent humans they can and do seek out sex for reproduction and pleasure, communicate effectively both sexual desire and the desire to abstain, and engage in many sexual activities humans may recognize- including homosexuality, interspecies sex, rape, and paedophillia. What animals can't do is be informed. That is something that requires a human. However, this is the same across all human/animal relationships. Be it in work, recreation, breeding, or anything else humans make the informed decisions. To the animal, there's no difference between a human that exploits their sexuality commercially and one that does so sexually- except, perhaps, that the latter is more concerned with their pleasure and preferences.
Now women, children, negros, and animals do get abused just like men, adults, whites, and everyone else. This is the practical reason to ban bestiality. However, it is not a universal one. There is some possible skillset for a human being to engage in this activity without abuse. In fiction, this can be a premise.
Now, you're certainly welcome to decline that premise on the grounds that it breaks suspension of disbelief for you. After all, accepting the premise of the story requires you to disregard everything that is taken for granted around this subject in society. That's the whole point of the story.
I think the biggest problem with the story is that it fails to make the case properly. There are things from the real world that could be used as direct and indirect evidence that would supplement the Orders argument well. For example, the most recent scientific study of age of consent was conducted in the 12th century by the Catholic Gratian. While this is far from accepted and settled science, it is the exact type of thing that the Order would use. For indirect proof, there's the fact that children as young as 10 are on th sex offender registry. This would give a third tack in addition to just showing that pip likes sex and doesn't seem traumatized. That, and the fact that Twilight goes from very little visible binge/purge to very quick and extreme versions of it quite quickly.
8945038
Yup. Though, it should be noted, you asked about a happy and well-adjusted submissive Blueblood, which is not what I think the story presented or the Order is actually interested in. On a narrative level, it works quite well in showing the Order's ruthless approach at forcing what they think is happiness on others, even if they have to break and cut away everything that doesn't fit their paradigm. Maybe even because they have to do it, because despite what they claim, they show glee in their actions. No, they relish in suffering but say the opposite.
That, or the chapter was supposed to show that they don't but failed.
8945038
You know, thinking about it. The situation is similar as with Carrot Cuck, Trick's other story. But that one felt more... smooth. Less jarring. And definitely less mean-spirited.
8945074
I hear you. Maybe you should write the fix fic. Although maybe not, if you don't like gelding at all and can't make it work.
8945435
Plus, I'm not fond of fix fics! In my experience, they have a higher than average ratio of being terrible since they're agenda-driven rather than written along the characters or the overall plot.
8945696
lol. Too bad, the Order needs more spin offs.
8947139
The irony is that even though I know you're doing that just to grab images, it works well as a comment for TSJ on pretty much any chapter.
If I was in this story I would be on Celestia's side %110, and there would be nothing the vamps could ever say or do to make me change my mind. Maybe some powerfull memory spells could be utilized to salvage the situation with minimal bloodshed, but I guarantee you all those involved with Celestia's imprisonment and attempted corruption would meet a swift end.
Also, I can't believe how much of a traitor Twilight is! Oooh, I just want to slap her for siding with them over Celestia, and even her 'friend' Rainbow. We need to get the wereponies to dish out some vigilante justice on these bloodsuckers!
9002264
I said it once, and I'll say it again here. It's easy to say how you'd feel during a situation when you're outside of it, it's another to actually be in that situation. And really, 110 percent? Not even a teensy tiny bit put off by The Stain? Or Celestias hyper puritanical plans? Methinks your affiliation with the lycans may make you a tad biased. Just a little.
#TeamVamp.
9005337
Yeah it's true I dislike vamps, but it really has more to due with them trying to take over and corrupt Equestria than my allegiance to Celestia.
Just the fact that they're trying to hide what they're doing from the rest of the country shows they know the majority of ponies would be against what they are trying to do. I'm sure there is a right way to go about getting the societal changes that they want, but taking and lobotomizing other ponies against their will is definitely not it.
9006417
That same argument can be used against Celestia as well.
That is kinda the plot. Everyone is screwing with ponies brains instead of figuring things out like sane ponies. Which, strangely, is pretty true to the show.
9011821
Starlight Glimmer would be a proud pone.
♫I wasn't going to say anythiiiiing♫
Your actions in this fic so far have been 20 percent sex, 40 percent jumping from scene to scene as a passive ragdoll for the vamponies to capture 20 percent crying and 20 percent cooler.
Because she missed the party, or because she never contacted you or apologized for it? The latter is understandable, the former? Not so much. Evil moon goddess trying to plunge the world into eternal night kiiiiiiind of takes priority there Master.
Well that's a remarkably unfair system. Seriously, fuck you Cunts down on the bottom rung I guess. I can't see the system as is gaining wide spread popularity with folks.
I refer you to my last point. Seriously, they can't possibly be banking on the majority being for this can they? This is an inherently imbalanced system unless we see some protections and rules regarding these things. So far the only restriction we're aware of is they can't hospitalize cunts.
9030324
there has been some counterbalances, wrt Blueblood. they're definately making things up as they go along. There needs to be a CTS style coding system that's a little more nuanced than what they have now.
9031032
There definitely needs to be some periods where they step back and start planning things out ahead of time. Making things up as you go along is just going to lead to disasters along the way.
9038880
Well regardless of her reasons Celestia does share equal blame for what happened so neither princess is really any better than the other.
9039109
Actions speak louder than intents. No matter her reasoning for it she encouraged and worked alongside Luna in making it happen. Besides, given what we know of Celestias actions can we really say she's any better?
9039151
You mean the part of ponies brains that she artificially installed in order to control the population? That part? Plus none of the other stuff seems to be causing any noticeable damage.
9039171
The magic rocks are unrelated to the child sexuality. Foals are raised sexually long before losing their marbles.
9039171
Actually it for all intents and purposes is. It's something implanted in the brains of ponies to make them think and feel a way that Celestia wants them to. If that's not a mind control chip then tell me what is.
As for Twilights consent, keeping her prisoner is tactically the right choice. If she's free then she'll put a wrench in their plans. What would you do in their shoes if you, like them, genuinely thought that this was for her own good? That the stain was outright harmful and that you're making a better society this way? Because you're not exactly hiding your bias, or your love of greek mythology.
9039308
The Stain appears to operate very much like IRL "mind control" diseases. Toxoplasmosis for example. The problem is that once it's removed, ponies go nuts for a while with the worst case of catholic schoolgirl syndrome I've ever seen. I will say that's kinda understandable for everypony but Luna. No one else has a reference to what a healthy sexuality is.
As for childhood sexuality, all you can say about it based on reality is that children as young as 10 have mandatory minimums on the sex offender registry.
Honestly, this is the sickest thing I have ever read. I used to think Fall of Equestria and Scootaloo's Master were the worst this site had to offer, but this trash takes the cake. The amount of strawman bullshit in this story is stagering. Every "truth" this story tries to ram down peoples throats is based on nothing but the authors own desire to justify his/her many fetishes. The premise of the entire story hinges on the thought that everyone is every kind of sexual deviant in existance, which is not even remotely true, and that our wicked society is just opperssing everyone from living in a perfect sex-filled paradise. This is complete nonsense that could only be thought up by someone who has no real life experience and is completely out of touch with reality. It also doesn't help that the ones leading this "utopia" are literal fucking monsters.
Also, I don't think the author understands foreplay at all. When two consenting adults that trust each other completely act out a master and servant fantasy, no one is actually allowing themsleves to owned by another person. That's slavery and is illegal. And when the sex ends, so does the fantasy. Because that's what it is, a fantasy, playing pretend.
An open sex life can be healthy, but that only applies to both physically and mentally mature adults that have complete control over their own lives. I shouldn't have too explain why you can't have sex with children, as any sane person would understand why. Depending on the age, a child is either not physically ready to perform the act of sex, or has not reached the mental maturaty to handle it without coming into harm on some level.
We have the laws and customs we have for a reason. It's okay to fantasize, as long as they remain a fantasy. Harmful sex does exist, and some lines must be drawn in order to keep people from harm or have there rights as individuals infringed upon.
9106238
This should be all I need to prove my point.
9106238
Not all roleplay ends in the bedroom. That's what lifestyle bdsm is, a role play that continues outside the bedroom, although even then it does have times when it pauses. Now, that's not going to apply to everyone or even likely most people. But it does happen. The vamponies are in a catholic schoolgirl syndrome phase. It's not unheard of to explore unwise, unsafe, and unhealthy sexual practices in that place. The Order admits that they fucked up and that they're winging it.
9106261
Because you know perfectly everyones sexuality and anyone who disagrees is wrong? Since you don't seem to be arguing about friends with benefits or even incest, I assume you're arguing the stone on age of consent. In the scientific sense, we know nothing about age of consent. The most recent scientific study on the topic was Gratian in the 12th century. He found that age of consent for medieval peasants ranged from 7 to 12. Beyond what we can say about feudal peasants in the 12th century, everything else is superstition and anecdote. There are people who have been destroyed by childhood rape. There are people who have been destroyed by mandatory minimums on the sex offender registry for acts they did when they were children. We have laws and norms placing sexual acts with a minor in the most severe category of possible crimes for reasons much different than you're presenting. It's not because we have special knowledge of harms in all cases. It's because we have special lack of knowledge. We prohibit so severely preventively, and because we have specialness in our perception of both sex and children, and because of the knock on effects of chattel marriage prior to the germ theory of disease.
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https://www.merckmanuals.com/home/children-s-health-issues/growth-and-development/physical-growth-and-sexual-maturation-of-adolescents
https://web.archive.org/web/20160117042750/http://faculty.cua.edu/pennington/Canon%20Law/marriagelaw.htm
Gratian's Canon Law was about age of marital consent not sexual. There were cases of young wives being able to divorce their husbands do to lack of consumation. Because they couldn't. Because the wives were too young.
Yes, puberty can began as early as 12 but that doesnt mean that person has then reached full maturity. The reason why there is such a wide variety in laws regarding sexual consent is because it takes time for an individual to reach peak maturity, which is gnerally around 15. Hell, even in the U.S. sexual consent can be given by those as young as 16, which is true for the commonwealth of PA where I live. You can't just declare a young girl is ready for sex when you spot the first signs of breast growth, or when a young boy pops his first boner.
The laws we have now do cast a very wide net, but only because this is something that should be taken that seriously. The age range of mature growth is very vulnerable period for any individual and makes it very easy for more experienced or authoritative people to take advantage of that vulnerability.
But than that makes them an insignificant minority, and we shouldn't make vast changes to societal virtues and custums because of a minority.
https://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/conservation_03
Nothing against friends with benefits, but I will argue incest.
But none of this gets to the main problem with the story, and that is the simplified strawman arguement it presents. It's all or nothing stance that if sex and lust are genurally natrual than everything involving sex must be allowed is utter nonsense. It applies the same mentality to sexual preferences by every character affected instintently being into everything. This story could have had a proper thought provoking argument if it didn't go to the extremes it has. Make it about the individual and their own sexual identity or fetish, instead of making everyone every kind of sexual deviant under the sun. The infuriatingly patronizing way it's written doesn't help either.
I enjoy many of the fetishes presented in the story. I can't count how many incest and foalcon stories I have read (just look in my favorites), but I won't let my fantasies delude me from reality.
9106534
That talks about physical reproduction, which is utterly besides the point. The person you're attacking was talking specifically about sex for pleasure. That would be expected to be non reproductive. Feudal chattel marriage however was all about patrilinear descent- which yes does revolve heavily around doing the deed. It's hard to say that sex had nothing to do with the assessment.
This all dependent on the vagueness of the term "vast." We shouldn't make painful or costly changes disproportionate to the benefit for a minority of any size. We should make trivial accommodations for any minority of any size.
For non reproductive sex for pleasure between consenting adults in the privacy of their own homes?
I also have some problems with the story. I think that Twilights evolution was pretty stutterstep instead of showing a clear descent to where she is now. And that everyone have been juggling idiot balls. Of course everything in there or not is because Trick thinks it's best for the story. Is it possible to critique in a specific, actionable way that leads to a better story and more motivated writer?
9107099
What I linked to doesn't talk about reproduction, nothing about insemination, pregancy, or birth. What it does talk about is puberty, the process the human body goes through in order to be able to reproduce, to be able to perform the act of sex. Whether it's for reproduction or pleasure, a child that has not started puberty is not properly physically equipped to handle to the act of sex. It's the same even in the first 2-3 years of puberty. The safest earliest age someone can have sex is when sexual maturity has peaked, which is usually around 15-16.
And reproduction will always be relevant here. The consequence and risk of pregnancy will always be present as long as sex is performed. I am confident that majority of pregnancies are not planned. Even only 1 of my 4 siblings were planned pregencies. Whenever sex is performed, even if just for pleasure, anyone involved should be prepared for any and all responsibilities and or consequences.
9107251
That's an overly restrictive view of sex. Not all sex is penis in vagina. Lesbians have sex, gay men. There's oral sex and mutual masturbation. Many if not most females require external stimulation to climax. There's a lot of sexual activity outside the narrow act that puberty prepares the body for.
9107298
And the majority of the world is not gay, and of those who would have sex with children is an even smaller minority. Again, we can't make widespread reform of our virtues and customs because of a miniscule minority.
Also, if you tried to sexually stimulate a child that hasn't hit puberty, do you know what would happen? Nothing! Since the child's body is not ready to reproduce, it won't stimulate. And children who have just started puberty, roughly 12, are still at such a tender age mentally that it would be far to easy for someone to take advantage if them or condition them.