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EileenSaysHi


Clinically diagnosed with SciSet Brainworms

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Some months have passed since the destruction of the Memory Stone. Wallflower Blush has entered a new school year, her last at CHS, and so far, things have been looking up. Talking to people is getting easier, and she even has a few friends to her name.

But dealing with social repercussions is still a thing that Wallflower has struggled with all her life. Making a few connections is all well and good, but what about deeper connections? What about one-on-one bonding? What about dating? With the shield of the Memory Stone gone, how can Wallflower find a safe way to experience consequences?

Luckily, her first date with Moondancer is certain to give her some much-needed education on the subject. Even if it takes a few more first dates than normal.


Winner of the Best Story By New Author award in Science Fiction Contest III (other entries here). Also an entry in the May Pairings 2024 contest (other entries here). Pre-read by Dewdrops on the Grass and The Sleepless Beholder. Sex tag applied for crude references only.

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Come on Wallflower... Dating advice from Trixie, really?

Twilight's got a lot of work ahead of her. Eventually she's going to have to program in Wallflower's home (or perhaps Moondancer's), a wedding, honeymoon, etc... At that point, just create a creative mode and allow them to build whatever they want using the tools she provides so she can pour her focus into learning more about Moondancer.

That was a fun read! Nice work. :twilightsmile:

Eddy13 #2 · May 14th · · ·

Ooh, that was emotional. I was initially thinking that Wallflower had a crush on Moondancer and Twilight had made the simulation to help her work up the guts to date her for real. I didn't expect it to delve into human-AI romance. Still, that story was enough to almost make me a Moondancer/Wallflower shipper.

Wonderful work capturing Wallflower's two steps forward and one step back, and the work she takes to rectify that when it's (very loudly) pointed out. Great character study for both, and a wholly believable romance. Thank you for it and besto f luck in the judging of both contests.

Dunno what goobers are hitting the downvote on this genius story. When I preread for it, I had forgotten entirely it was a dual contest entry, so the whole simulation angle caught me entirely off guard in the best way possible. And that ending, absolutely all of it was practically made for someone like me. Person falling in love with a sapient AI? Count me all the way in, every time.

Well done, Eileen, and best of luck in both contests.

Wing #5 · May 14th · · ·

This might be one of the most brilliant things I've read on this site. Extremely well done. I'm going to have to carve out room in my Top 10.

Alright, I read this one. Spoilered some story details because I don't want to ruin the fic for others. There's your warning, for people who haven't read the fic yet.

I had a very different reaction compared to everyone else. This is... disturbing. Not negatively towards the story you put out, mind you, this is extremely well-written and well-presented. Maybe it's because I have watched a lot of how AI is being more and more incorporated into dating applications, and how many people feel reliant on its uses to the point of feeling emotionally distant from their partners when they finally meet 'the one' as a result. It's, jarring, to me. And this fic further accentuates that.

I feel like the romance here sets a precedent of a false hope for Wallflower Blush, and even in the end, that relationship is just fake and not with someone real like Moondancer. I think it's cool that you used this AI test realm to show us how this relationship somewhat ended up being cute, but it took a lot of the same vehicles of what a relationship would go through in just a short amount of time. Wallflower experienced this so quickly and it's... just astonishing she isn't depressed afterwards. Not to mention that ending further makes me, the reader, down atrocious knowing that the character basically played Sims 3 but had a romantic interaction with someone they cannot have outside that realm.

I could go on about this, and I think that's what makes this story really great. A thought provoker for sure. You probably didn't intend for how I interpreted this fic, but damn. Going to go stare at my wall for a while. Thanks for that, Eileen.

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Just to clarify one thing in your take that I’m uncertain about, there is no human Moondancer implied in this story; the digital Moonie isn’t based on a specific person. She is the EqG counterpart of pony Moondancer (in this story’s setting, anyway) in the same vein that Tirek in EqG is a game character and Discord is a plush toy, but Sci-Twi wasn’t deliberately replicating the pony.

Aside from that, I’m fully on board with anyone taking a darker read on the story; it so befits Wally, doesn’t it? Did she truly find something more in the the digital girl that is actively telling her she’s not human, or is she just finding more ways to cheat

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I knew I was missing a detail that was important. Went back and edited my comment because I realized that Moondancer wasn't really in EQG at all in the first place. Legit had to go back to the characters page just to make sure there wasn't a Moondancer character in it and I wasn't mixing up canon. Turns out I wasn't mixing it up, I just completely imagined Moondancer being in EQG. Brain fart of the day goes to me. :rainbowlaugh:

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Damn. Dayum, that is some high praise considering the talent we have on this site. Thank you very much!

PiMan #10 · May 15th · · ·

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There's an extra layer, if you choose to see it, although it isn't deep. It's that these characters are all fictional.
Human, pony, AI; these are all just one author's representation of a unconventional relationship. One author's representation of a relatively advanced AI.
So while Wallflower contemplates what life and love are, we contemplate what Eileen may think about life and love.

This is of course true for almost all stories, but most stories don't also touch on what it means to be alive.

Wing #11 · May 15th · · ·

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You're welcome. :) Well done!

Not going to lie. I enjoyed reading this, but it did poke directly at something that's been filling me with a fair bit of dread of late: AI replacing actual human to human interactions / relationships.

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Your trepidation is understandable, given that learned language models that have been misnamed "AIs" have become so prominent lately. But, if it helps, this story is much more in the classical vein of science fiction type AIs, which is to say, an actual intelligence with thought and purpose behind it, not just a series of regurgitated responses that acts more like a child's plaything than anything with any reason or logic.

Or if I were to use a different comparison in terms of named characters, this is more akin to Data or EDI than anything we currently have. At least, that's how I took it, and continue to take it.

I totally get where you're coming from though.

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Yeah. I mean the fic really reminded me of "Hang the DJ", a Black Mirror episode that experiments with the idea provided here, but with a different presentation. The twist was similar too, if you haven't seen it before.

Charming character work, and a good sci-fi concept that resonates with current fears about the long-term impact of AI. Well done!

An interesting concept and very well executed.

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RDT #17 · May 18th · · ·

Oh, your Wallflower is a wonderful character here. And sometimes I do find it scary that it is so easy to convince ourselves that something real is fake, or that something fake is real.

“I was just wondering, um, how long have you had glasses?”

Months of efforts to suppress her instincts did nothing to stop Wallflower from immediately reaching for a rock that was not in her pocket, and never would be again. And as that fact occurred to her, she was left helpless in the face of Moondancer’s most withered, exasperated stare yet.

Trembling, Wallflower smiled an agonized smile. “Just curious?”

Moondancer was looking at Wallflower as though she had arms growing out of her head, but apparently that meant she was at least interesting enough to acknowledge. “Um, all my life, I guess. I mean, probably not as a baby, but I can’t exactly remember that far.”

“Oh, no, sorry,” Wallflower said, placing her arms on the table to stabilize herself. “I meant, um, how long have you had those glasses?”

Judging from Moondancer’s bewildered double-blink, the save had been less than perfect.

“Just curious?” Wallflower repeated, much weaker this time.

“About as long as they could fit my head.” Moondancer’s eyebrow lifted again, and stayed up this time. “Are you suggesting I trade them in for a sportier model?”

Can I just say that I adore this? Just, it feel so sincere and nice, I love it. Great writing, here. It feels natural. And Wallflower feels on point here, really - the self-doubt, second-guessing haha not me totally, I love all the little things she does.

As Moondancer tilted her head inquisitively, waiting for the end of the sentence that had been left hanging, Wallflower said the magic words.

“...if I said you have a beautiful body, would you take your clothes off and do the horizontal tango with me?”

Like this. I laughed, thanks.

All in all, I need to sit down for a good, long while. There's something so awfully bittersweet about this that's just... aw.

“I think, whether she knew it or not… she saw us. She looked at me, she thought of you, and… somewhere in her mind, she saw there might be an us.” Wallflower smiled. "She's smart like that."

Go cross that mirror, Wally. She'll be waiting.

Easy favourite, and great writing, as always :twilightsmile:

P.S.

She’d also opted to keep on her recently-adopted broad-brimmed yellow hat

Hatflower hatflower hatflower

Hello, fellow contestant! Here's my review for you:

This story at first seemed to be heading into horror territory before veering off into something much cuter. I think you did a great job with Wallflower's character, and this idea of her using VR and AI to try to actually step up her dating game is a neat idea. The dialogue between her and AI!Moondancer is believable and a good mix of cute and cringey, which really helps the reader connect with the characters.

I think last section before the ending drags out too long. It's too much exposition on what Moondancer is and how she works, which kills the momentum the story has been building up to. Another minor quibble is that there's something a bit unequal about the final relationship between Wallflower and Moondancer: if Wallflower is concerned that a relationship with one of the Mane 7 would be like dating a parole officer, isn't the same power imbalance true for having a girlfriend who lives in her own self-contained VR reality bubble? Hell, what if they break up?!

Potential moral quandaries aside, I do like this story. It's engaging and cute and focuses on some of my favorite one-off characters, so it's good to see them together. Nice work!

It wasn’t the first time Wallflower had opened a date with that word, unaccompanied. She doubted it would be the last.

so she believes there are more dates in her future, now this is a confident Wallflower Blush!

– not that Wallflower gave much in the way of thought to those around her, or vice versa.

so true

A muttered, but still audible, phrase from her date did not make things better. “Real confidence-builder here…”

Realizing her gaze had drifted off into the empty space between tables, Wallflower jerked her focus back in front of herself. Upon doing so, she found Moondancer’s eyes had also fallen, hers toward the ground. That made sense, Wallflower knew; she wasn’t exactly offering Moondancer much to engage with.

ahaha that is exactly how this pairing would start off

Wallflower didn’t have to look down at herself to know she hadn’t made the same effort. She at least wasn’t wearing the baggy wool sweater she would have been if she’d (somehow) tried this the previous year, but her outfit still wasn’t much to speak of – a casual yellow sundress with green dots that she wore at least twice a week at school, even when it didn’t fit the weather.

yay, that’s… progress?

After a moment’s consideration, Wallflower opted for a classic non-response: pretending to have misheard. “Huh?”

ooh that’s a good trick!

Moondancer briefly looked down at her outfit. “Thanks. It’s not my usual getup, but, well, figured I should probably try, right?”

There wasn’t obvious malice in Moondancer’s voice, but a chill still went down Wallflower’s mind at the ease with which her mind had been read. “Yeah, definitely. I’ve been, um, working on my own look a bit the past year, ish.”

“Yeah, it’s, uh, neat.”

oof! 

Months of efforts to suppress her instincts did nothing to stop Wallflower from immediately reaching for a rock that was not in her pocket, and never would be again. And as that fact occurred to her, she was left helpless in the face of Moondancer’s most withered, exasperated stare yet.

i mean, relatable. i guess Wallflower really did do nothing wrong in the end now that i think about it!

Wallflower didn’t look up. “No… no… not really…” Her fists clenched. “This is just going so, so, so so so sososo badly, and I swear, I swear I thought I knew what I was doing going in… gaaah.”

hehe i can hear this in her voice

“I mean, I can talk to people now, right? I talk to Rose, I talk to Ditzy, I talk to Rarity, Flash, Twilight, sometimes even Sunset. I’m supposed to be fixed now, right?”

so true that is about where Wallflower would be a few months after the special

“Not like it matters at this point. Fuck me.

glad she is allowed to say “fuck”

Standing up once more, Wallflower walked over to meet Moondancer, examining her motionless body and marveling at her eyeballs, locked in place. “Sorry I screwed up again, VR girl,” she mused aloud. “The good news is, you won’t have to remember this one, either.”

ahahahaha i love how this is just Wallflower being Wallflower with science fiction now, that is perfect

“That’s a bit complicated,” Moondancer replied. “For a while, I’ve been going to Crystal Prep, which was fine. Not exactly challenging, but prestigious, at least.”

hehe of course she’d go to Crystal Prep

And then Moondancer snorted. “Yeah, pretty much,” she said. “The building and facilities are quite nice, but the culture is… ugly.”

Slowly, Wallflower exhaled. She’d successfully pulled off a charming dig, rather than the cringeworthy ones she’d likely have been known for at school if anyone remembered them. This was already the most successful date yet.

yay! i mean it is bonding over hating the same thing but i guess in this case that thing is bad so it’s okay!

“You sound like a friend of mine,” Wallflower mused.

hehe she is indeed a Twilight clone

“Are you suggesting I trade them in for a sportier model?”

oh no the model is leaking!

Obviously, with Moondancer, Wallflower couldn’t just build off several years of connection; she had to figure out how to skip ahead in the process.

love how Wallflower has learned nothing from being hit by a friendship beam augh she is the best

Wallflower should have known not to take any advice from The Great and Extremely Single Trixie.

oh yeah that tracks

“Honestly,” Wallflower said, “that’s way, way harder to explain than you’d think. It literally, genuinely involves aliens from another dimension.”

oof yeah that is a lot to explain to somebody who wasn’t there for all the weird stuff that’s been going on at CHS the past few years

But before she could think of anything to say, Moondancer had stood up. “Screw this. I know what it’s like to be jerked around by someone who doesn’t actually give a damn about me. Go sort out your own issues, Wallflower Blush.”

yeah tell her AI robot girlfriend!

With this reset, though, Moondancer had been hostile right from the start, had barely let Wallflower speak, and had soon launched into a nuclear-grade vent against every wrong ever committed against her.

aww that is so Moondancer

“I know what I am to you, Wallflower Blush. Just another emotional crutch for the girl who always needs someone else to project her problems onto. Who can’t cope without her pet rock.”

gottem

“Freeze program.”

oof! and a lot of horrifying ethical implications with that one!

It had been a while since Wallflower had bothered to pay much attention to where they were. The same old generic Italwhinnyan restaurant, every time, at the same table that never seemed to have any food on it. She glanced around at the indistinct patrons, the windows with static views, and the lights hanging from nothing above them.

yay generative AI hellscape

“And there you go.”

well that certainly makes me think!

Wallflower smirked. “See, you do notice the settings… right, realism.”

Moondancer, astonishingly, smirked back. “Now you’re getting it.”

ehehe love our AI future/present

“S-so…”

and aww starting her next date with the same line, prescient!

Please continue,” Moondancer said.

ahahaha, and Twilight making Moondancer as a believable AI character really makes too much sense

“Yeah, I think Twilight might have put a bit of herself in you there,” Wallflower noted.

hehe case in point

That was nothing, though, compared to the jolt that went through her when Moondancer sat down directly to the left of her, their shoulders brushing.

“Wait,” Wallflower said, pulling to the right immediately. “I can f-feel you?”

Moondancer blinked. “Yes? Have we never touched before?”

“N-not really, no.”

hoowee

“Oh, for the love of fuck!” Wallflower shouted. “How did the resets not take care of the damn Trixie lines?!”

glad Trixie’s in this

“You asked me earlier why I was more upset about the resets than about this being our last time together, and the answer is just, well, like I said when I was shouting. Having to feel like I’m fighting to piece my identity back together. It’d be one thing if every reset just started me all the way back at square one and I never knew what I lost, but it doesn’t. There’s always something new that I have to contextualize to make things make sense. It’s death by a thousand skin grafts.”

and augh yeah that is horrifying and also makes sense as an emergent reason for why this AI would genuinely be upset

“You’re growing, Wallflower,” Moondancer whispered. “I know you are. I remember Twilight. When I met her, she thought she was a monster too. Even in the fragments, I can see how she changed. And you have too.”

and aww, Twilight creating and using Moondancer in a similar stage of her post-villain reformation as Wallflower makes a lot of sense

“Oh shit,” Wallflower mumbled. “I think– I think I’ve fallen in love.”

Now with an obvious bead of liquid under her eyes, Moondancer snorted. “You moron. Who falls in love with a computer program?”

Still on her knees, Wallflower grabbed Moondancer again and pulled her in tight. Their lips met, what followed was the realest thing Wallflower had ever felt.

hell yeah

“I think, whether she knew it or not… she saw us. She looked at me, she thought of you, and… somewhere in her mind, she saw there might be an us.” Wallflower smiled. "She's smart like that."

so is this Twilight thinking Wallflower might be right for an AI girlfriend?

Shortly thereafter, the hypothesis was proven correct.

hehe nice


oh, this was wonderful! excellent work, and augh i really wish i had been able to make May Pairings since this is such worthy competition. thank you for writing!

An excellent bit of romance with both partners growing into eachother. And you know I really like Wallflower X AI fics because I also wrote one, haha.

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