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Yami Vizzini


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2411283 Nah, no worries, man. :twilightsmile: Don't trouble yourself so much; I'm just highly expressive and melodramatic. :pinkiehappy: You don't have to worry about my well-being, though I'm touched by your concern.

Aww man, I love that series. And yeah, you're right- Jade Ring and I are extremely similar stylistically, aren't we?

One last thing- if it isn't any trouble, can I ask a favor from you? Can you help me continue to construct my TV Tropes page for MLP? I especially need someone to work on the YMMV stuff, since as the author I'm forbidden from doing so... :pinkiesad2:

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I must confess that the element of your commentary that most pained me was that you consider MLP to be a "junk food fic" and "not an example of high literature." :fluttercry: Aww, man, I feel as if I was so close to doing exactly what I wanted: to make a work that superficially appears to be the fanfic equivalent of a mindless popcorn flick, only for the audience to discover that there is hidden and profound deep insight below the surface. If I've failed to do that, then I've come short of my goals. :raritydespair:

:ajsleepy:Well, maybe I was being snarkier than I had a right to, but that was my mindset at the time- harmless and enjoyable curiosity, but nothing I could really point to and say "check this out now" beyond the aforementioned cultural patchwork, and the author's stated level of ambition. But maybe that ambition is enough- this has barely gotten started, after all, so don't mark yourself short on my account when you're the one who's pulled something together and put it out there. (For what's already come, I don't know about insight, but how you flesh out the characters is certainly insightful.):twilightsmile:

Not like I haven't gotten disproportionately invested before, anyway- I can only say so often "Here's this series that plays around with the CMC's pasts and Shining Armor is having an affair with Luna, and I'm hooked and would love to know what you think of it" before I start to feel pretty lame, but I actually put together a trope page for it.:twilightsheepish: And even that was after I troped on the way Celestia was portrayed therein and got into a discussion with Jade Ring over it. Check it out if you haven't- you and he almost feel like kindred spirits.

2410745 I cannot tell you how utterly wonderful it is to have such a thoughtful, honest, and critical mind discuss my work. It's honestly the highest praise anyone can give me. :twilightsmile:

I actually had a feeling I might get a response such as yours to my work. In fact, I was anticipating it. :trixieshiftright: I was fully aware that MLP would come across as a My Immortal/Master Of The Universe-esque "juvenile, 'edgy' mishmash of interests of 'weebs'," as you so eloquently put it. That description is probably my favorite part of your entire commentary; I've never seen someone explain the concept of stereotypical "dark" bad fan fiction so perfectly before. :rainbowlaugh:

Anyway, I'm also aware that my insanely intense hyping up of MLP and Rainbow comes across as desperate. Because it is. I want nothing more than for people to experience my works; why try to hide that? Because of shame or something like that? I'm a storyteller first and foremost, dude; all other things are subordinate to my projects. And I've found that shamelessly begging people to read my stuff works surprisingly often- after all, you read MLP because of it, didn't you? :trollestia:

As far as I can tell, you were drawn into reading that fic because of the intense passion I displayed towards it, and you were pleasantly surprised by how entertained you were by it. Believe it or not, that's exactly the reaction I wanted from my audience. My first and foremost desire is to entertain- after all, my philosophy for writing is exactly the same as that of J.R.R. Tolkien and C.S. Lewis: to write the stuff that I want to read, but that doesn't yet exist. And I have a rather juvenile taste in media; I want stuff that will excite me, awe me, and engage me, but I also want it to be capable of making me think. That's why some of my most major inspirations are artists such as William Shakespeare, Walt Disney, the aforementioned Inklings, and J.K. Rowling; their stuff is entertaining and accessible enough to draw wide audiences, but they also have enough depth in their works that the more intellectual audiences can study and academically discuss them. That is my ideal as a storyteller: to make works that are simultaneously accessible and deep.

To that end, I fervently attempt to live my life and create my works by the ideals of utter earnestness and complete sincerity. In my experience, the most enduring of all works are those that proudly wear their hearts on their sleeves; therefore, I attempt to craft my own works to be be the same. In other words, I live and die by the philosophies of Camp and Narm Charm (which, in my opinion at least, are nearly indistinguishable).

In my opinion, very nearly all of humanity's most celebrated works are shamelessly formulaic and unironically sincere; examples include Shakespeare's plays, Walt Disney's animated films, Don Bluth's animated films, J.K. Rowling's Harry Potter series, the original Star Wars trilogy, the Wizard of Oz film, and of course The Princess Bride (which I feel fairly safe in saying you're a big fan of, as well :trixieshiftright:). If you think about any of those works, they are highly theatrical and melodramatic, have extremely archetypical characters and formulaic plotlines, and make no pretenses about their own natures. And yet, despite how absurd or ridiculous they are when viewed objectively, they have been far more entertaining to far more people and have had far more impact on the world than many more supposedly "meaningful" works of "True Art" ever could.

As you might have guessed, my unquestionably biggest pet peeve of literary scholarship is the Sci Fi Ghetto. :twilightangry2: I will fight anyone who claims that literary works are inherently more meaningful or have more merit than speculative fiction on the street. And I don't say the opposite is true; far from it, actually. For instance, To Kill A Mockingbird is one of my absolute favorite books, and I think it's a very strong contender for the title of "Greatest Novel Ever Written." However, I hold it in much higher regard than, say, Ulysses, because the way I define artistic merit is by how much a work benefits people and enriches their lives. The message of Ulysses is unclear, it's mostly just an examination of one person's everyday life, and you're frequently given points in the world of literary snobbery just for understanding it. To Kill A Mockingbird, on the other hand, leaves no doubts as to what its message is, and is by practically all accounts a far more accessible and engaging novel. For those same reasons, I would consider The Lord of the Rings to be a worthy rival to it; it is just as eloquent, straightforward, clear, and powerful. I don't care whether a work takes place in a world of fantasy or rationality, so long as it is engaging as well as deep and enriching.

Anyways, now to respond to your criticisms of MLP. To start:

the characters being into manga and things like that because why not- and straight-up walking through some episode plots- it's not something I'd put forth as high literature.

Regarding "straight-up walking through some episode plots", I actually agree with you that this might perhaps be indicative of my weaknesses as an author. As you might already know, one of my aims with writing MLP is to refine the original show until it has realized its full potential. For that reason, I have heavily altered some parts while leaving others largely untouched. The ones I have largely left alone are the ones I have studied and found to have few flaws in; thus, I have left them as they are, considering their potential already realized. But this might just mean that I'm not perceptive or thorough enough in my studies or skilled enough in my craft of literary refinement, and that I have much left to learn. Or perhaps it's indicative of laziness, and I should have created wholly new plot lines instead. :ajsleepy:

Regarding making the characters be into manga and related things, that was part of my experiment to take a world with magic and without electricity and imagine what modern society would be like in such a world. I'm fairly certain that manga and roleplaying games would still be around if we had never invented the integrated circuit, and that people would turn to them for the same escapism we turn to television, video games, and movies for. Perhaps you've also noticed that pulp magazines and street theatre troupes are still quite prevalent in the world of MLP, as well. Make of it what you will. :pinkiesmile:

I must confess that the element of your commentary that most pained me was that you consider MLP to be a "junk food fic" and "not an example of high literature." :fluttercry: Aww, man, I feel as if I was so close to doing exactly what I wanted: to make a work that superficially appears to be the fanfic equivalent of a mindless popcorn flick, only for the audience to discover that there is hidden and profound deep insight below the surface. If I've failed to do that, then I've come short of my goals. :raritydespair:

Oh, well. Like I said before, my first priority is to entertain, and my work seems to succeed that respect, at the very least. :pinkiesmile: And who knows, maybe I'm doing what I intended more than I think; after all, you did say that noticed the hints of a greater backstory, and that you always want to know what happens next, so perhaps you are finding unusual depth in it, after all. :yay:

Anyway, I look forward enormously to hear more of your thoughts on this. I thank you from the very bottom of my heart for the tremendous honor of speaking to you. :twilightsmile:

2410703 Um, wow, thanks.:rainbowderp: It was a surprise, but considering I sometimes check the referrals chart on fics I enjoy to see where they're being discussed, it shouldn't surprise me that an author would do so for his own stories. (Or you lurk on the TV Tropes thread anyway- either way, feel free to drop in.:twilightsmile:)

Yeah, I felt compelled to read through MLP when you talked it up so much and it was the only fic of yours I hadn't read (humanized fantasy not being my usual thing, not to mention a separate continuity from the others). And, yeah, playing it (and Rainbow for that matter) up so much can come across as a little desperate- and the characters being into manga and things like that because why not- and straight-up walking through some episode plots- it's not something I'd put forth as high literature. (Honestly, I linked directly to the story instead of the trope page like I usually would because an unironic invocation of Darker and Edgier, Bloodier and Gorier and Hotter and Sexier all at once will probably throw up a red flag for some people- and conversely the more verbose summary of Break Your Heart compared to its own trope page could do the same- but then if I hadn't, we might never have had this conversation.)

But what the heck, now that it's on my radar for whatever reason, it's interesting, to me at least. All those mysterious backstory hints, all the love/lust dodecahedrons... I'm always curious to see where you'll take things next. I have to admit that those mixed feelings are what more often than not keep me lurking rather than commenting, but I'm still here all the same, and perhaps now more ready to speak up.

(I wouldn't really even change the trope page intro- it shows what you set out to do with this story, and whoever is hooked by it is the target demographic.:twilightsmile:)

Huh. I actually stayed up the other night reading something of a junk food fic myself, since I had read the few others by the author and he keeps touting this one as his Magnum Opus (at least for pony). While entertaining in its way, at times it (and to an extent the author blogs) really felt like the sort of thing that people think of when they dismiss fanfiction as the juvenile, "edgy" mishmash of interests of "weebs". Didn't have any lines like that, though.

(I'm not saying I wouldn't still recommend people check it out and judge for themselves, but after a lead-in like that it feels kind of like mocking the author behind his back, which, just no. It and his other series both have pages here, at any rate, which of course was how I got there in the first place.)

This is just great. :pinkiehappy: I kid you not, I think this is my favorite commentary on MLP that I have read so far. It just makes me smile.

Oh, and don't worry about the whole "mocking me behind my back" thing; I might have an ego the size of Jupiter, but I like to think that I have enough of a sense of humor and a sense of self-awareness that I can handle being made fun of. I'm not offended at all; go nuts, bro.

I only wish you would comment on my stories more frequently, 'cause I love seeing wit and intelligence such as yours. :fluttercry: Oh well... :twilightsmile:

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