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The Bricklayer


Slow down, you're doing fine, you can't be everything you want to be, before your time... -Vienna, The Stranger: Billy Joel Also, Demi and proud!

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Rainbow 'Crash' Dash, that's what they called her. Yep, Rainbow Dash had it all. An accident changed all that. Now she's a mystery to herself, with powers beyond her wildest imagination... She's a real marvel now...

What, no! She's not a Captain! Where'd you get that idea? ...she hadn't even been promoted! And who's this Mandarin character anyways? (SoarinDash shipping)

Proofread by TheRedParade.

(Marvel Comics characters belong to... well, uh, Marvel.)

Chapters (8)
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I’d bet money on this being better than Captain Marvel. A lot better.

Tracking this before I've even read it. :yay: This should be fun!

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I... actually didn't mind Captain Marvel on rewatch. It's not the world's best MCU film, but it captures the tone of the Kelly Sue Deconnick run fairly well. Granted, I will admit it pushes the feminist angle a bit too hard, some of Carol's past is kinda cringey and Yon-Rogg sucked. Such a waste of Jude Law's talent.

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Well, that's what I'm aiming for, that Marvel sense of straight-up fun. Something right out of a comic book.

As long as Rainbow doesn’t go all HYDRA like Carol has been going you should be good.

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The problem with Carol, well, she's been handed some pretty bad writing that makes Avengers 200 look like a piece of cake. She's got this whole my country right or wrong mindset, which in itself isn't a bad flaw, but when you toss her in something like Civil War 2... Which is an event that never should have happened, by the way. Civil War 1 was a bad idea, what would make you think a sequel is a genius idea?

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That’s the thing... her run is awful, and the movie reflects that to a T.

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Writers with an agenda not knowing or caring about what has come before and wanting to do their own thing.

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I beg to differ on this agenda bit. Marvel's always been political in a lot of regards. Hell, this was the company that came up with the X-Men which I think just about says it all. If they ruffle a few feathers, then they're doing their job right.

Feels a bit rushed for a first chapter, like you tryed to get ALL the boring bits out of the way too fast.

I don't mind the Rogue gallery you chose for the first story but there is all that teasing about the wider MCU and it feels like the usual character simply won't happens. I understand the idea of doing a self contained story but it could put off some readers who upon seeing the Marvel universe, they expect to see the rest of the MCU at some point. But I must say that if you want to re-do the Avengers WITHOUT the usual crew, this could be a good start.

But I will wait and see where this goes.

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I was talking about how they suddenly have several characters who are male bashing in print or writers who have said some very interesting things.

They have been always edgy but this feels like tearing down characters and less about addressing today’s issues. I mean sit down create new and exciting characters and have a bit of a new generation rising up. Allow the older characters to age and grow. I want to see Peter Parker become a business rival with Tony Stark in public while in costume they are chumming it up.

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Alright, let me stop you right there. Remember why Iron Man 2008 and other films like say... Godzilla 2014 succeeded so well. it's because they didn't set up for anything, didn't cram in as much of a wider universe as possible. They didn't know they were going to get sequels, so they didn't bait moviegoers with hooks, unlike say... Zack Synder's Batman VS Superman.

They just stayed laser-focused on their singular goal and told a story. Nothing more and nothing less.

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Oh, I think I know what you mean by male bashing. This, right? Which is pretty obviously a deliberate parody.
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Mind you, you're not wrong on the Spidey bit. Thanks Joe Quesada!

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There's a difference between being political and being SJW. X-Men knew how to do political right, unlike modern SJW feminazi, man-hating idiots.

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I'mma going to correct you right there, Firstly? All of those are buzzwords that have really been overused to the point of death. Secondly, there's no such thing as a true anti-men SJW comic as the terms themselves carry no real meaning. I can't even take the words with any amount of seriousness anymore.

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You need to look around the Twittersphere a bit more if you really think the terms are meaningless. People like that actually exist, which is why those labels came into being.

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Yes, well Twitter itself is a place where intelligence goes to die so it's hardly a reliable source of information.

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Exactly. Intelligence goes to die on Twitter because it gets populated by woke SJWs.

Honestly I think the outfit looks a bit better on Rainbow. Might just be the way its drawn, or the fact that I'm not a huge fan of the current Captain Marvel costume. But eh it's a good pic.

I wonder how she will react when she wakes up with superpowers? That dream is going to be very interesting when she finds out the truth.

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Don't know why I didn't get to this until now, maybe I never saw it. But interesting note? If you saw Earth's Mightiest Heroes, that's where I got the inspiration for the shapeshifting weapons bit. ...and how Mar-Vehl is portrayed in general actually.

Also, that dream will be the only appearance of the Skrulls. Trying to exercise some measure of restraint here.

First of all, sorry for taking so long to get around to reading this! Already intrigued to see where we go next! :rainbowdetermined2:

This was a nice beginning to the story. I like the way we're handling this, I definitely get the comparison to Iron Man '08 with this, and it's a worthy ideal to strive towards. I was surprised by the presence of Mandarin, Hammer and Detroit Steel in this, but then again given that Carol Danvers is/was a pilot and thus part of the military, it makes sense to tie in with villains connected to Tony Stark and the whole military-industrial complex. (Admittedly I'm a wee bit disappointed that Hammer here is more Sam Rockwell than the comics version was, but hey, I personally liked Rockwell in IM2 so it still works.) As for the Mandarin... I personally loved the Trevor twist from the movie, because really the classic Mandarin is just Fu Manchu on a grand scale and like hell that's gonna fly nowadays. *That being said*, I'm still interested to see what your take on this version will be.

Glad that you didn't waste too much time on the origin story detail. That's something that can really drag in superhero story adaptations. So good on ya for just cutting to Rainbow, in the Air Force, her relations with Soarin and others, her and Scoots, and away we go. :twilightsmile: Straight to the point, I like it.

On a final note, sorry about the crap in the comments about agendas and SJWs. Sheesh, some people.

I really like the idea of Rainbow being a fan of Captain America. I think it really fits to her character and works for her as a Captain Marvel analog here. (Though take it with a grain of salt - I'd been kicking around my own Marvel/EG story and I had plans too for Dashie as a Captain America fan, so yeah. XD)

The flashback stuff was *pretty* well-handled. I think you had a nice bit of nuance with Soarin' saying something insulting but regretting it later - it's good to note that there's different levels of dickishness out in the world. Not every guy who says something sexist or moronic in the heat of the moment is a raging asshole. And I really liked the way that he helped Rainbow with her hair: that was a legitimately good moment for the two of them. Fleetfoot's fight with Rainbow Dash was, interesting to see. Glad to know I'm not the only person out there to make the "Shitfire" joke that's for sure. XD

I also quite liked the dream sequence in this chapter, before Dash wakes up. Those are something I always find immensely tricky to get right, but I think you did a pretty nice job here.

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First of all, sorry for taking so long to get around to reading this! Already intrigued to see where we go next! :rainbowdetermined2:

This was a nice beginning to the story. I like the way we're handling this, I definitely get the comparison to Iron Man '08 with this, and it's a worthy ideal to strive towards.

No worries. But yeah, both Iron Man '08 and Black Panther had the right idea, no real leadups to anything, just tell a story, and be the end of it. If you get sequels, good on you. But focus on your main story, don't go over all Zack Synder, and try to cram 3-5 movies worth into 2 films.

I was surprised by the presence of Mandarin, Hammer and Detroit Steel in this, but then again given that Carol Danvers is/was a pilot and thus part of the military, it makes sense to tie in with villains connected to Tony Stark and the whole military-industrial complex. (Admittedly I'm a wee bit disappointed that Hammer here is more Sam Rockwell than the comics version was, but hey, I personally liked Rockwell in IM2 so it still works.)

Yeah, as I said I'm trying to veer away -haha- from the cosmic side of things, so a few grounded characters are going to serve the story well. I soooooooo loved using Detroit Steel, given how obscure of a character he is. But the armor screams 'MURCIA! so loud I just had to do it. It's all so completely over the top.

But yeah, as incompetent as the MCU Hammer is, Sam Rockwell's portrayal is hugely entertaining. And hey, he's got room to grow. Maybe eventually he'll become the comics level threat he is in Iron Man proper.

As for the Mandarin... I personally loved the Trevor twist from the movie, because really the classic Mandarin is just Fu Manchu on a grand scale and like hell that's gonna fly nowadays. *That being said*, I'm still interested to see what your take on this version will be.

Yeeeeeah, he's tough to modernize. Granted, comics Mandarin has avoided most of the stereotypes over the years, he's evolved beyond a generic yellow peril type. Hell, he doesn't even wear the robe anymore I think. Nowadays, it's just a nicely cut suit.

Glad that you didn't waste too much time on the origin story detail. That's something that can really drag in superhero story adaptations. So good on ya for just cutting to Rainbow, in the Air Force, her relations with Soarin and others, her and Scoots, and away we go. :twilightsmile: Straight to the point, I like it.

Yeah, you're one of the only people who seem to think that, granted I sense a lot of impatience here as people want to see the superhero kicking the snot out everyone. Problem is, with a character as powerful as Captain Marvel,-this is someone who can give Thanos a run for his money for Pete's sakes- you can't rush it.

On a final note, sorry about the crap in the comments about agendas and SJWs. Sheesh, some people.

Eh, I'm not remotely surprised given who I'm adapting. Plus, it encourages discussion. ...though I'm not sure if half of these people have actually read the comics. They're actually not that bad. I read the 2012 and 2014 runs and they're actually -surprise surprise- really good.

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But focus on your main story, don't go over all Zack Synder, and try to cram 3-5 movies worth into 2 films.

Couldn't have put it better myself. (Damned Snyder and his cult of fanboys... :raritydespair:)

Yeah, as I said I'm trying to veer away -haha- from the cosmic side of things, so a few grounded characters are going to serve the story well. I soooooooo loved using Detroit Steel, given how obscure of a character he is. But the armor screams 'MURCIA! so loud I just had to do it. It's all so completely over the top.
But yeah, as incompetent as the MCU Hammer is, Sam Rockwell's portrayal is hugely entertaining. And hey, he's got room to grow. Maybe eventually he'll become the comics level threat he is in Iron Man proper.

Yeah, I think that Detroit Steel is a pretty great addition to the Iron Man mythos. It's just deliciously ham-and-cheese in the way best suited for a comic book.
And I'd be for the idea of Hammer growing into more of an actual villain. We shall certainly see if that proves to be the case...

Yeeeeeah, he's tough to modernize. Granted, comics Mandarin has avoided most of the stereotypes over the years, he's evolved beyond a generic yellow peril type. Hell, he doesn't even wear the robe anymore I think. Nowadays, it's just a nicely cut suit.

I... don't know. Admittedly I know very little about the character since I don't follow Iron Man comics much, but I think that really, he's a part of Marvel's universe that should be quietly consigned to the bin of history. :applejackunsure:

Problem is, with a character as powerful as Captain Marvel,-this is someone who can give Thanos a run for his money for Pete's sakes- you can't rush it.

You said it. I sometimes groan over the plethora of Superman origin story takes out there, but really, with someone as powerful as the Man of Steel can be, if you're gonna do a full story, it's good to establish some key things about your superpowered hero before jumping to the action stuff.

Eh, I'm not remotely surprised given who I'm adapting. Plus, it encourages discussion. ...though I'm not sure if half of these people have actually read the comics. They're actually not that bad. I read the 2012 and 2014 runs and they're actually -surprise surprise- really good.

Fair. Though I imagine that asking if some of them have actually *read* the material they're decrying is a moot question.

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I really like the idea of Rainbow being a fan of Captain America. I think it really fits to her character and works for her as a Captain Marvel analog here. (Though take it with a grain of salt - I'd been kicking around my own Marvel/EG story and I had plans too for Dashie as a Captain America fan, so yeah. XD)

Yeah, it really does work with Rainbow's tendency to hero-worship. I mean, without Daring Do in this world, at least as a real figure she's got to have someone to fawn over right? And Captain America is just that kind of person, given they're a living legend. Plus, it's sort of a reference to Carol and Steve's friendship in comics.

The flashback stuff was *pretty* well-handled. I think you had a nice bit of nuance with Soarin' saying something insulting but regretting it later - it's good to note that there's different levels of dickishness out in the world. Not every guy who says something sexist or moronic in the heat of the moment is a raging asshole. And I really liked the way that he helped Rainbow with her hair: that was a legitimately good moment for the two of them. Fleetfoot's fight with Rainbow Dash was, interesting to see. Glad to know I'm not the only person out there to make the "Shitfire" joke that's for sure. XD

Yeah, I know some people are going to harp on Soarin' for being a bit of a sexist jerk even if it was only temporary but that's the point. I wanted to do the show, not tell route for the whole sexism in the military bit without going '*too* over the top. I wanted it to be a bit more subtle than that. Plus, it makes an interesting start to their relationship, Soarin' eventually realizing what an idiot he's being. And yeah, the haircut thing was adorably sweet to write. Plus, as a bonus it gives Rainbow the 2012 onwards haircut that Carol seems to sport most of the time.

And yeah, the Fleetfoot thing. That may have been me getting up on my high horse and showing the Wonderbolts side of things from Newbie Dash. They're not intending to be assholes, -unlike what the MUH WAIFU idiots will tell you- I mean they had no way of knowing the history behind the name. Plus, Rainbow, yeah it's a childhood thing but really, one would think by now she'd have grown up and moved on with her life. It's not that bad of a nickname anyways.

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Yeah, I think that Detroit Steel is a pretty great addition to the Iron Man mythos. It's just deliciously ham-and-cheese in the way best suited for a comic book.
And I'd be for the idea of Hammer growing into more of an actual villain. We shall certainly see if that proves to be the case...

Yeah, Detroit Steel is just the right kind of stupid for a comic book. Sadly, the star-spangled look only lasted one or two issues before the pilot got killed off. Recently, Justine Hammer I believe has the suit and repainted it in red and silver. I weep.

I... don't know. Admittedly I know very little about the character since I don't follow Iron Man comics much, but I think that really, he's a part of Marvel's universe that should be quietly consigned to the bin of history. :applejackunsure:

Eh, to each his own. Though I would recommend you checking out Iron Man Armored Adventures if you want a really good take on the character. ...and a good cartoon in general.

You said it. I sometimes groan over the plethora of Superman origin story takes out there, but really, with someone as powerful as the Man of Steel can be, if you're gonna do a full story, it's good to establish some key things about your superpowered hero before jumping to the action stuff.

This, exactly this! You need to have the Man of Steel figure out and learn how to use his powers, along with his place in the world.

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Yeah, it really does work with Rainbow's tendency to hero-worship. I mean, without Daring Do in this world, at least as a real figure she's got to have someone to fawn over right? And Captain America is just that kind of person, given they're a living legend.

Couldn't have put it better myself.

Plus, it's sort of a reference to Carol and Steve's friendship in comics.

Nice point.

Yeah, I know some people are going to harp on Soarin' for being a bit of a sexist jerk even if it was only temporary but that's the point. I wanted to do the show, not tell route for the whole sexism in the military bit without going '*too* over the top. I wanted it to be a bit more subtle than that. Plus, it makes an interesting start to their relationship, Soarin' eventually realizing what an idiot he's being. And yeah, the haircut thing was adorably sweet to write. Plus, as a bonus it gives Rainbow the 2012 onwards haircut that Carol seems to sport most of the time.

Nicely said. And I fully agree with that. It makes a much more interesting way to begin their back-and-forth if he was a meathead in the past, but grew out of it. Because people *do* change as time goes by. (And good point about the hairdo as well. XD)

And yeah, the Fleetfoot thing. That may have been me getting up on my high horse and showing the Wonderbolts side of things from Newbie Dash. They're not intending to be assholes, -unlike what the MUH WAIFU idiots will tell you- I mean they had no way of knowing the history behind the name. Plus, Rainbow, yeah it's a childhood thing but really, one would think by now she'd have grown up and moved on with her life. It's not that bad of a nickname anyways.

Yeah, I do get that. "Newbie Dash" isn't my favorite episode by any means, but really, it (like many other episodes that people will bitch about) is nowhere NEAR as horrible as it's made out to be.

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Yeah, Detroit Steel is just the right kind of stupid for a comic book. Sadly, the star-spangled look only lasted one or two issues before the pilot got killed off. Recently, Justine Hammer I believe has the suit and repainted it in red and silver. I weep.

That IS a crying shame.

Though I would recommend you checking out Iron Man Armored Adventures if you want a really good take on the character. ...and a good cartoon in general.

I watched an episode or two of that once. It was surprisingly good. And I remember a little about their Mandarin... I just checked and it blows my mind that Gene Khan is voiced by Vincent Tong. XD

This, exactly this! You need to have the Man of Steel figure out and learn how to use his powers, along with his place in the world.

Special emphasis on "his place in the world". That was one thing I really hated about Man of Steel, is just how... limp Henry Cavill's character was in the movie. It was basically like he only existed to do what the nearest older man told him to do. Pa Kent tells him to keep his powers a secret, he does it. Jor-El AI tells him to go forth, he goes forth. Zod tells him to surrender and come aboard his ship, he does. (To say nothing of the myriad other problems in that shitshow of a movie. DX)

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Nice point.

Yeah, this is very much a tribute to all eras of Carol Danvers. The past and the modern day.

Nicely said. And I fully agree with that. It makes a much more interesting way to begin their back-and-forth if he was a meathead in the past, but grew out of it. Because people *do* change as time goes by. (And good point about the hairdo as well. XD)

I point to Gideon from Zootopia as a prime example of this. Plus, yeah, that haircut kicks ass. Not sure it translates well to film though, YMMV.
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Yeah, I do get that. "Newbie Dash" isn't my favorite episode by any means, but really, it (like many other episodes that people will bitch about) is nowhere NEAR as horrible as it's made out to be.

The amount of bitching and self-entitledness in this fanbase is amazing at times.

That IS a crying shame.

Press F to pay respects.

I watched an episode or two of that once. It was surprisingly good. And I remember a little about their Mandarin... I just checked and it blows my mind that Gene Khan is voiced by Vincent Tong. XD

Yeah, he's in a lot of things nowadays. Ninjago, MLP...

Special emphasis on "his place in the world". That was one thing I really hated about Man of Steel, is just how... limp Henry Cavill's character was in the movie. It was basically like he only existed to do what the nearest older man told him to do. Pa Kent tells him to keep his powers a secret, he does it. Jor-El AI tells him to go forth, he goes forth. Zod tells him to surrender and come aboard his ship, he does. (To say nothing of the myriad other problems in that shitshow of a movie. DX)

Says a lot that a Captain America movie did the Man of Steel better than his own film.

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I point to Gideon from Zootopia as a prime example of this.

Excellent example and I approve very much of it. :yay:

The amount of bitching and self-entitledness in this fanbase is amazing at times.

A-freaking-men to that one. *rolls eyes*

Says a lot that a Captain America movie did the Man of Steel better than his own film.

Says nothing *good*, that's for sure. :ajbemused:

When I read the part about all of Hammer’s simulation time I got a flashback to another fictional character who was always bragging about his times and how he was always unceremoniously defeated. Although that guy had far more time in the simulator and was far more endearing to the viewers then Hammer. I hope we will soon see Rainbow do something that will bring her into conflict with the Mandarin as he really isn’t being threatening just mainly talking. Even though he has done those attacks it doesn’t feel like he is a threat, yet.

Are they humans or ponies in the story? I'm confused.

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Humans, as evidenced by the pop culture references and the fact that the United States Air Force is name-dropped. Plus, there's the whole Equestria Girls tag.

Soarin’ wandered through the mess of dancing bodies, quickly finding Rainbow thanks to his distinctive hair. Even in this mess of color, it shone like nothing else.

That's *her* distinctive hair.

That being said, I liked this chapter pretty well. I especially got a kick out of the back-and-forth between Spitfire and Hammer (nice that you worked in the "full-body cast" quote from Washouts! XD) And speaking of washouts... damn, Lightning Dust. Of course she'd be the first person that Rainbow accidentally hits with her new strength. :rainbowlaugh:

And as for your question about The Mandarin... eh, I dunno. I think he's alright, I don't think he comes off as ranting or whiny per se, but I do think he might benefit from... a little something. I dunno what though. I guess what mainly comes to mind is to try and add a little descriptive touch to his speeches so that they don't come off as wall-of-text? Hmm. I will think more on this.

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That's *her* distinctive hair.

The Captain Marvel Haircut, getting you mistaken for a boy since 2012! All jokes aside, thanks for catching that. It's since been fixed.

That being said, I liked this chapter pretty well. I especially got a kick out of the back-and-forth between Spitfire and Hammer (nice that you worked in the "full-body cast" quote from Washouts! XD)

Yeah, that was honestly my favorite part. Recreating that classic Marvel snark.

And as for your question about The Mandarin... eh, I dunno. I think he's alright, I don't think he comes off as ranting or whiny per se, but I do think he might benefit from... a little something. I dunno what though. I guess what mainly comes to mind is to try and add a little descriptive touch to his speeches so that they don't come off as wall-of-text?

Yeah, I'm trying to keep an aura of mystery about the character, but I see what you mean. He could benefit from a few more interesting scenes rather than just 'teaching'. I do want to highlight his hypocrisy though, which is what I think makes him a fun villain. Yes, he's lecturing America on it's wrongs but he's committing mass murder himself.

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When I read the part about all of Hammer’s simulation time I got a flashback to another fictional character who was always bragging about his times and how he was always unceremoniously defeated. Although that guy had far more time in the simulator and was far more endearing to the viewers then Hammer.

Remind me who this is, my brain's coming up blank for the moment.

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Patrick Colasour from Gundam OO. He is about as effective as Team Rocket when they are at their most silly.

And I am confused what species the main protagonist supposed to be in this story.

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Human, as the United States Air Force thing should clue you in on. Sadly, there's no pieces of human Rainbow as Marvel out there that I can find, even on Derpibooru.

Great story so far and I like how you included lighting dust

John Walker the dime store Captain America. I hope Rainbow trashes his a$$.

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Well, I mean, he'd be in his fifties at least by this point in time. He's not exactly much of a concern, unless someone wants a headline of: "Captain Marvel Beats Up Old Man!"

But yeah, as I said, John Walker was explicitly chosen for what he represents. Namely, everything bad about America. The bigotry, the intolerance, the warmongering. There's a reason I had him in Vietnam and part of the My Lai Massacre as a young man for this continuity.

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The problem is that I can see him pulling a Blonski and try and try to get powers. Plus I can see the Mandarin giving him powers that would either kill him in the end or make him wish he was dead.

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This isn't the 90s, just because Captain Marvel's MCU outing was set mostly in the 90s doesn't mean I have to follow that same format.

Huh. I really like the way you handled Mandarin's origin in this. Connecting it to Vietnam and John Walker/US Agent was a really inspired decision, I approve!

Also, good to see Agent Coulson again. :pinkiesmile: I especially enjoyed his interactions with Lawson / Mar Vehl, those were good. The Warcraft reference in particular really made me smile, because that felt SO in-character for Coulson, the little dork. XD

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HAHA, I was waiting on this comment. Admittedly, I was worried with how you'd take the Mandarin's revised origin for this universe given I know you're not a fan but... To be honest no matter how you slice it you can't remove the Yellow Peril aspects. So I decided to go with a largely sympathetic backstory that makes you understand where he came from.

I honestly hate it when people who say villains can't have depth, like... it's common sense to give even the most scumsucking character some sort of hidden depth. (Well, except for Horde Prime and Palpatine. Yeah yeah, I'm a hypocrite I know...)

Nowadays, Mandarin's basically like the Marvel Ra's Al Ghul, in how he operates really. (And I apologize if I got that name wrong, I hate spelling it.)

Also, good to see Agent Coulson again. :pinkiesmile: I especially enjoyed his interactions with Lawson / Mar Vehl, those were good. The Warcraft reference in particular really made me smile, because that felt SO in-character for Coulson, the little dork. XD

Trying to avoid too many characters, but yeah I knew Coulson had to make it in given he's the branch between heroes and the government which in Marvel is highly important lore-wise. Plus, he's simply a fun character to write.

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Heh. Well, guess I appreciate the anticipation? XD
But yeah... I think you honestly did the best job that could be done with the character's background here. Because as you say, yeah, you can't really take the Yellow Peril aspect entirely out of the character, but still, connecting the Mandarin's origins here to U.S. atrocities during the Vietnam War and the failure to replicate Captain America was all said and done the smartest possible way of reimagining a dated (and unfortunate) character type into a modern sensibility. I may not be a fan of the Mandarin by any sense, but still I definitely appreciate when thought and work is put into something, so congrats there. :raritywink:

Depth in regard to villains is both tricky and simple to get right. It's tricky in that you should never try to whitewash the terrible deeds that a villain can commit, but pretty much nobody likes or considers a cardboard cutout of pure evil to be entertaining or interesting. (See our conversation about DC and the Joker for one...) Done right, a certain kind of hidden depths can even accentuate the nastiness of a pure evil villain... Palpatine's a fan of opera and a patron of the arts, but none of that ever detracts from the pure cruelty of his character. Or to mention the Joker again... him having a particular sense of humor can be both a good way to humanize him and still play up his twistedness. If he just kills rampantly and without style, then he's just your basic psychopath. But give him a quirk in that he only kills in ways that are funny, or that he understands comedy and how it works, and he becomes a lot more interesting and thus more entertaining. ("Kid, I'm the Joker. I only kill people when it's funny. What could possibly be funny about killing you?")

Sorry for the mini-lecture there. :twilightsheepish: It's a thing I've been kicking around. But yes, you did a good job here, and I agree, Coulson is both fun and has a due place in the events going on here what with SHIELD's importance to Marvel and all. ^_^

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But yeah... I think you honestly did the best job that could be done with the character's background here. Because as you say, yeah, you can't really take the Yellow Peril aspect entirely out of the character, but still, connecting the Mandarin's origins here to U.S. atrocities during the Vietnam War and the failure to replicate Captain America was all said and done the smartest possible way of reimagining a dated (and unfortunate) character type into a modern sensibility. I may not be a fan of the Mandarin by any sense, but still I definitely appreciate when thought and work is put into something, so congrats there.

Yeah, as I've no doubt explained the Mandarin is tricky to get right. The only reason he's getting done in the MCU at all is he's put up against a Chinese hero. (I forget the name) So yeah, I actually worked Mandarin's lectures into his character here, giving him legit grievance against the US as his family was killed in one of the worst massacres of the Vietnam War and by a squad led by Cap's successor at that! And yes, choosing US Agent was intentional given the state of America at the moment. Well, that and given Rainbow hero-worships Cap by the truckload here...

Depth in regard to villains is both tricky and simple to get right. It's tricky in that you should never try to whitewash the terrible deeds that a villain can commit, but pretty much nobody likes or considers a cardboard cutout of pure evil to be entertaining or interesting. (See our conversation about DC and the Joker for one...) Done right, a certain kind of hidden depths can even accentuate the nastiness of a pure evil villain... Palpatine's a fan of opera and a patron of the arts, but none of that ever detracts from the pure cruelty of his character. Or to mention the Joker again... him having a particular sense of humor can be both a good way to humanize him and still play up his twistedness. If he just kills rampantly and without style, then he's just your basic psychopath. But give him a quirk in that he only kills in ways that are funny, or that he understands comedy and how it works, and he becomes a lot more interesting and thus more entertaining. ("Kid, I'm the Joker. I only kill people when it's funny. What could possibly be funny about killing you?"

Yeah, not even Horde Prime is a cardboard cutout. He obviously appreciates alien culture, even when he's the one exterminating said culture. This makes him even more disturbing amazingly and he's already horrifying enough with all of his cult leader analogs. And yeah, to get back to our conversation about the Joker? He isn't all that funny or surprising anymore and no this isn't just my love for Hamill's take speaking. He is just another psychopath of the week who happens to look like a clown. Even this obvious parody is funnier than the current Joker.

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Shang-Chi, I think. That really surprised me at the time but it *does* make enough sense on reflection.
Also, you make a very good point about the Captain America reference and playing on that here. I really will be interested to see how Rainbow Dash, Cap fangirl that she is, goes up against someone who's been shaped in the worst possible way by that legacy and all... (And I also wonder if Dash will ever get to run into John Walker too, because hoo boy she'd give him what-for! XD)

And, to avoid another block of text, agreed on all counts. I still love the Joker as a character and all, but I am really beyond tired of the grimdarkness that's gotten associated with him and find myself thinking more and more about trying my hand someday at writing a version of the character that, to borrow from Paul Dini's words, strikes a balance between the clown and the killer.

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