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This chapter...God, this chapter.
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A short interlude, consequences, and up next another fight.
I'm almost convinced that Sunset's trying to redeem herself...but I'm keeping my guard up just in case. After everything she's done, I doubt it will be easy, or possible, to completely trust her.
I don't have that willpower.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA...aah, nice to see someone get their just desserts.
Little known fact: even if you are Superman, you will listen to your mother.
Wow, I didn't think it was possible for Shining Armor's excuse to get even crappier, but you managed to pull it off. Kudos.
Just when i thought Shining's excuse could not get more idiotic
On a lighter note, I'm pretty sure Shining just set a new record for being grounded the longest time ever (full name ultimatum included)
Now with Flurry Heart just revealed, and we're dealing with this nonsense
Prediction!
The fight against Fluttershy's shadow is going to be against Eris.
I think half the readers probably did as well.
A farm is a great place for punishment, because you dont have to specifically aim for anything. Just do more.
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Only because the other half is busy facepalming.
Well, you did hit her pretty hard there, Ninjashy.
Crappy excuse is crappy.
*immediate involuntary sympathetic flinch*
6883194 I thought the same thing.
And here I thought things couldn't get worse...
"Pillow fight."
I glance back at Sunset, raise an eyebrow, and look back at Fluttershy.
"I said, pillow fight."
"...Twilight, do you know that girl?"
"The one with the braces and starburst sweater who's now carrying off a surprisingly cute pig in her arms? No idea."
After dipping into the Sun the previous night, he's dunked his head in the Moon last night. The moonshine, that is.
"Do you have any idea how awkward it is to have sex with your boyfriend while staring at an Eighties porn star in the eye?"
Twilight turns purple. Or, rather, more purple. "...TMI, Cadance"
"Oh no, do go on," Velvet insists.
"And I'm taking away ALL your model kits! Even the ones you're in the middle of assembling!"
"NOOOOOOO!"
Shining Armor is an absolute wreck. Both him and Sunset Shimmer.
I have no sympathy for Shining Armor, as he was just being an idiot, but I do feel somewhat bad for Sunset. I really don't think she's a bad person COMPLETELY. Yes, she's a mess, and what she did was wrong, but I actually believe her when she says that she's trying to become a better person.
Yup, this is why mothers are down right scary..
"I'm too pregnant to deal with this right now."
-Quote of the millenium
Batholomew? And here I thought MY Middle name is lame....
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Cadance found out she was pregnant just before the trip to Haytona. From what we have been told, the last time she slept with someone who's not Shining was that infamous incident with Flash. And that happened far enough back that it could not have caused the pregnancy.
For the record the problem (and reason Shining's in trouble) is not that he slept with someone else (which Cadance doesn't really have issues with), its because he did it with someone who has spent most of the year trying to hurt, humiliate or kill the people close to him and did it for a supremely idiotic reason.
I'd suggest reading the comments of the relevant chapters for greater clarity on the Shining and Cadance drama. At the very least read Zef and Moth's comments on the matter. That issue really doesn't need to be brought up again.
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Because Twilight was having a pretty ordinary personal relationship with her boyfriend, and Shining is having a personal relationship with a psychotic murderer that he knows tried to blackmail/kill her and his wife? There's a pretty wide gulf between both scenarios.
The message is that, in the first scenario, Twilight wanted independence from an overprotective brother, and that he should trust her judgment regarding her boyfriend, and in the second scenario, Shining willingly had sex with the person he knows had tried to blackmail/kill Twilight and Cadance, which demonstrated that HIS judgment could NOT be trusted, because it was the is the worst possible judgment call he could've ever made and it affected everyone around him.
No, that's not the message.
The message is "don't have sex with the psychotic murderer who has tried to blackmail/kill your wife, sister, and their friends."
If this is starting to feel repetitive, it's because you seem to be missing that crucial bit about Sunset being a psychotic murderer who has tried to blackmail/kill Shining Armor's wife, sister, and their friends.
Because she didn't cheat on Shining with someone who had previously tried to kill him.
There already WAS outrage, in the backstory, as described by Twilight. By the time of the event with Flash, they had reached a stage of "sad resignation" --which was one of the major turning points of those four character's personal development, and something they KNEW they had to fix right away instead of just living with it.
Re: Velvet, it's entirely possible she doesn't know. It's also entirely possible that, since the "bulk" of Cadance's infidelities occurred before Flash set foot in the dorm, Twilight's family had already raked Cadance over the coals for it.
Then, the ONLY instance of infidelity during the story involved Flash. And we know exactly how THAT went.
Remember: we only see and know what Flash himself experiences. Anything that happens between other people in private remains unknown to him, and us, unless those people specifically bring it up to him. They have their own private lives and might prefer to be discreet about their dirty laundry instead of sharing it all with the new guy.
Because Shining HAD to confess to Cadance. If he had spent the farm trip rutting with someone else, he probably wouldn't have needed to share it with her until after he came back home. But having sex with the person who had repeatedly tried to blackmail/kill Cadance and Twilight and their friends was a very specific betrayal and he NEEDED to come clean with it ASAP.
The fact that Velvet was there was just an unhappy coincidence for him.
...they did. They held a special meeting where they disclosed everything to the entire party. They were not pleased.
That we know of. They're literally telling him, "Hey, if ANY OTHER person you meet likes you and you want to fool around, you have permission." Don't get hung up on the names or the fact that WE, the audience, only know of the people FLASH knows about.
Flash's acquaintances aren't obligated to express sexual interest in Shining Armor. If anything, it's Shining Armor's acquaintances that might express it. And it'd be pretty sad for him if his only female acquaintances in his personal life (THAT WE'RE NOT PRIVY TO) comprised his wife, his family, and his sister's friends.
If the only person "willing to have sex with him" is a psychotic murderer who has tried to kill his wife and sister, then yes, sucks for him. His lust doesn't override his family's lives. Cadance didn't put her need for sex on a higher priority over her husband's life.
How do you know there aren't? The narrative follows Flash. It doesn't follow Shining Armor. For all Flash knows, there's other teachers at school, there's single mothers, there's anyone else in SA's social circle beyond his interactions with Flash that would jump his bones in a heartbeat but he's simply not interested.
And just to repeat it once more:
Shining Armor willingly and knowingly had sex with the one person that has murdered before, and has repeatedly tried to blackmail and murder his wife, sister, and their friends/loved ones. Whether she's the only other woman in the world who wants to have sex with him or is one in a thousand admirers is irrelevant, and because SA knows exactly what Sunset has done to his family, the situation is completely incomparable to Cadance cheating on him with regular people or Flash.
(Not to mention, this is NOW happening AFTER Cadance went to therapy and expressed her determination to NEVER cheat on him again. What happened BEFORE had already been dealt with, either in scenes before Flash's arrival or in scenes he WAS present for and during which he witnessed forgiveness and trust from both people. Shining Armor broke the brand new covenant that Cadance swore she would uphold. Seeing it as "she did it before, so he gets to do it now" is vindictive and cruel.)
Oh, and you know how Sunset was blackmailing nurse/dorm manager Cadance because she had had sex with a student, which would get her fired? Guess what: Sunset's a student, and Shining's a coach. As things stand, Sunset, a known manipulator, deceiver, and rival, can now go to the principal, or even the cops, and claim that he abused her. If nothing else, Shining should've known better just to save his own skin.
I find myself wondering how much of an earful Night Light's gotten about that over the years...
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I imagine his ears are still ringing to this day.
Wow, his crush wasn't even a real person it was a movie character. That makes it even more petty than I thought. With how much trouble Shining is in now I wonder anyone will even want to celebrate his birthday in a week. Velvet continues to prove how awesome she is.
Well... this sucks... for everybody.
I really don't have anything else to say about the chapter that hasn't been said before. The Copper Penny thing...
It is a good chapter. Steam was blown off, and now things can start to cool down.
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Cadance said she found out just before the trip. But Cadance has been lying to Shining and betraying his trust for years so why would this be anymore believable? That's the thing with trust, once its broken, its kind of tough to get back. Not to mention 'from what we have been told' clashes with what I'm seeing repeated here a lot which is 'you don't know what happens to characters other than Flash off-screen' so yeah its easy to imagine Cadance got pregnant with someone else's child and simply, as she has often before, lied to Shining Armor to cover her own skin. Considering we know she's more than happy/eager to cheat on him and lie to him this scenario isn't outlandish at all.
To be honest I have been checking the comments as I read this story...nothing in their has as of yet resolved anything in my opinion. Whenever someone brought up criticism of it eventually it just seemed like their comments ceased without there ever being a resolution on several major points. Also why doesn't it need bringing up again? Is there something wrong with it I'm unaware of?
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But Twilight also prevented Shining Armor from becoming involved in her life-and-death struggles for a long period of time, as did Cadance, which is also a really severe and major thing to do to your brother. Your parents too for that matter. Not to mention this isn't about whether or not Shining Armor's right to have slept with Sunset, never said it was, but this is about what the criteria are for interfering in another person's personal relationship. Shining and Cadance are adults, when Cadance cheated (which she did a lot) they solved it privately and without the sort of viciousness we're seeing from Flash/Twilight and such directed at her (did anyone ever punch Cadance for cheating near-constantly on Shining? Did anyone ever ground her? Twilight didn't even mind her for most of the story before that got brought up despite the fact that you'd think a sister would be very angry at someone who constantly cheated on her older brother). So again why not allow Shining and Cadance to resolve and handle their own relationship? Or otherwise what are the criterion for overruling their independence in this matter and who determines those criterion? These are the things I'd like to know then.
I'm...confused? This makes it okay to cheat? I'm certain that's not what you mean so could you clarify it for me please, I'm not certain what you're trying to say here.
Okay, firstly, I do remember reading it and I don't recall...any outrage? Velvet and Nightlight both, when they meet Cadance, are nice and ask how she's doing, insisting they wish to know her side of the story, whereas both of them scold Shining right there. The only outrage was directed at Shining. Which seems to be how this entire family operates since Velvet/Cadance/Twilight/Nightlight really seem to treat Shining horribly considering what he's been through. Additionally why...why didn't they react with sad resignation to Shining's affair then? Not to mention, to my knowledge, they did the exact opposite of fix it immeditately and instead permitted it to go on for a very long time.
Also do Velvet and Nightlight know that Cadance consistently and repeatedly cheated on Shining? With Flash? Because I'm very unclear if they do or don't.
But that's all hypothetical. None of that is canonical, you yourself say 'it's entirely possible' so none of that is certain at all so I don't see what bringing it up has to do with anything. I mean I could also say 'its entirely possible Shining Armor is an alien' and I'd be totally correct in my statement (it is possible after all) but I think we can both agree it has no meaningful purpose.
Additionally if Cadance had been 'raked over the coals' then why was Twilight and Velvet/Night Light so kind and polite to her as opposed to Shining? Whereas here with Shining we've got Velvet publicly scolding him and denigrating him and Flash punching him (also Twilight refusing to talk to him, having read the fiction I can assure you Twilight definitely didn't refuse to talk to Cadance).
Yeah...I assumed Cadance and Shining were going to deal with this privately like they did last time when Cadance was the adulterer.
Again...I read that. I don't remember any of them being described as being unwilling to look at her, talk to her, glaring at her or punching her. You can't at all compare the reactions they're having here to the one they had to Cadance. I'll admit their reactions all the way back then did surprise me. If I was informed that a guy I knew had a wife who cheated on him consistently as a way to hurt him I'd feel very sad for that person, I'd definitely also feel angry towards the individual causing that pain.
But that's like I said above then I could simply go 'Shining Armor has a harem from the 4th dimension, we never see its not true' but its also a patently ridiculous thing to say. When dealing with a fictional verse we have to still anchor ourselves and view the world we are exposed to. Our knowledge and understanding can only extend so far and in this case we know all the females Shining has interaction with and none of them barring Sunset, and potentially Cadance, have expressed sexual attraction to him. Just how it is.
Just to make something...aren't some of those people acquaintances of Shining's too? Didn't he know some of them, like his wife, before Flash even did? So when did Flash...get ownership of them? Why are acquaintances referred to as 'someone's' with possessive s? I mean no one has an obligation to express sexual interest in anyone ever. It occurs because people feel it or want it, not because they're obligated to.
Also Shining has seemed pretty pathetic and sad throughout this entire fic, barely anything positive is ever said or brought up about him and all his closest family and loved ones consistently belittle him, so once again...we've not been introduced or told of any female acquaintances he ahs (even when discussing people he could sleep with Cadance only brought up Luna and Celestia, we can presume Cadance would know if there were other women who felt sexual attraction to Shining, so again...seems no evidence that there is anyone other than Sunset).
But Cadance did put her need for sex above his emotional well being and his self worth. Why didn't Velvet ground her for that? Or Twilight refuse to talk to her over that?
Yeah but you don't know that either, at all, so that's all just supposition.
Here's an easy example;
When we have the My Little Pony canon, so the actual show now, there are many things not shown on screen or depicted/described. This is, of course, because we only see things from the point of view of certain characters. Indeed we actually only see from their point of view for certain periods. However, despite this, we don't consider it canonical that any number of relationships could occur simply because we don't 'see them' not occur. It'd be uncanonical to say that 'hundreds of stallionss wish to sleep with Princess Celestia' even though, of course, this is technically never outright contradicted and could, technically, be happening off screen. But we don't consider it as canon.
Similarly, here, there has been no indication that there exist any females besides Sunsent, and maybe Cadance, who have sexual or romantic feelings for Shining. Cadance, even, only thought of Rarity/Luna/Celestia when considering people she'd be alright with Shining cheating on her with (all three individuals explicitly are shown to have no romantic or sexual interest in Shining) so we can presume that there are no other females qualifying for this criteria within his friendship circle (does he have one? I presume Cadance already slept with all his guy friends already) or else Cadance would have mentioned them rather than Celestia/Luna/Rarity.
To be clear I already said what he did was wrong in my first post, I'm discussing the hypocrisy of his family/friend's reaction to it.
Dude I'm not doubting Shining's dumb as a brick, and illegal, in this fiction Shining's has been given literally near zero redeeming features or good characterization, he's pretty much a pure loser and butt monkey who screws up everything he's involved with and is constantly made fun of by the people who are 'supposedly' close to him. But how much of an idiot or loser her is has no bearing on my points to be honest.
EDIT: Oops! Seemed I double posted there for a moment. I kept the one with the downvote though since I suppose whoever did that should be rewarded for the effort it took to read and downvote it so quickly. Anyway sorry for the double post, bad internet here with me I guess.
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While YOU can choose not to believe Cadance, Word of Author (or the closest equivelent, its right there at the end of Zef's post that you are replying to) has stated that Cadance has NOT slept with anyone that's not Shining between the incident with Flash and her pregnancy. Since we are not privy to anything that Flash doesn't know, any assumptions you have on Cadance's behavior behind the scenes since that incident are just assumptions, instead of fact as you seem to believe.
As for why that incident shouldn't be brought up again, I will leave that explanation to folks more qualified to do so.
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Shining or sunset? I will probably never feel that Shining was redeemed. When the characters in the story redeem him will probably be on his birthday
6883268 well duh
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I don't care if this comment gets a ton of dislikes. people are repeatedly telling you why what said was stupid, and you say the exact same thing again. You. Are. stupid for being blind to the obvious. I'm 14 and I understand what's going on, What's your excuse?I'll be happy to hear it
6884486 She already got a cameo if I remember right...it was back when they went to the beach for the second time.
6884500 Shining. I love that his mom just tore into him.
6884277 All right, at this point, you're definitely not arguing in good faith anymore. You've employed a variety of logical fallacies --the amount of strawmen, goalpost-moving, and bait-and-switches alone is astonishing, but I could go down the list and tick off several other types-- and, while you repeatedly state that we cannot take certain suppositions of what occurs outside the narrative as fact, you conflate such suppositions with absurd/irrational scenarios to diminish their worth and prop up your explanations as fact.
I am absolutely not invoking any authority in these arguments. I am a staunch believer in Death of the Author, and even then, I'm just co-planner for some very specific aspects of the narrative. For everything else, I'm just as much of an audience as everyone. Arguing from authority isn't just a massive logical fallacy, for me to indulge in it would be worse, and to indulge in it given my personal position would be three times worse. It would also open myself to falling into several other types of fallacies. Therefore, I've been careful to argue exclusively from what the text itself presents. And, as such, I've pointed out that anything that happens outside Flash's direct experience is entirely a subjective matter, factually unknown, and prone to interpretation, yet not only do you demand that your particular ones are taken as proof of character, but you judge the character's personalities and competence based on that. In a situation where the unknown can lead to both good and bad interpretations, but where the text asks us to believe the better outcomes, you steadfastly bar discussion of these and believe the worst of the characters involved.
That's not conductive to discussion. That's shutting down discussion. Well, either that, or being deliberately obtuse.
It has been brought up repeatedly that the characters are not reacting like this because of his cheating in and of itself, but because of WHO he cheated with. You keep dodging this and instead said this:
The mere fact that you refuse to acknowledge why the characters might react differently to two vastly different scenarios with vastly different origins and vastly different consequences, after so many man-hours have been spent trying to point it out, leads me to one conclusion:
(And yes, I know the Network was the movie's antagonist. I'm borrowing its phrase, not its character.)
6884508 thanks
6884511 ok, what I said still applies
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But any assumptions that Shining has potential sexual partners exist in the same situation yet that is being used as a talking point in the discussion. Either we can suppose that behaviour which seems believable from the characters (lying and cheating on Cadance's behalf) can occur 'outside of Flash's perspective' (as is being repeated a lot) or we can't. I don't particularly mind which interpretation we go for but I would like their to be a consistent one. So its no more an assumption then the assumptions already being thrown around here quite readily and, thus, I don't quite see the point your making.
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You did read that Cadance habitually cheated on Shining before the incident with Flash, right? You know where Twilight explains that whenever they disagreed Cadance would cheat on him, that she cheated on him three times before their actual wedding and such. The incident you're referring to isn't part of the discussion here since they had permission that time. Or what exactly are you trying to say?
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To be fair I hardly see how you can appoint yourself an objective judge on who is or is not arguing in good faith. As party to this discussion, and a human being, there exist no rational grounds on which you can claim impartial awareness of who is or is not arguing in good faith. Additionally I can't really respond when, instead of examples or points, you simply listed a group of logical fallacies. I too can say; anecdotal fallacy, appeal to probability, appeal to the stone, ad hominem and such, but simply listing them and then saying 'you have done these' without demonstrating how, where and why doesn't really help at all.
Additionally I'm personally a bit opposed to simply throwing accusations of 'you're logic is fallacious', 'no yours is' since that feels to much like a direct insult to me and that's something I'd like to avoid. We're disagreeing on subject matter here, sure I got no problem with that, but I don't think that's a reason to attack or belittle you as a person.
So in light of that I'll leave your insult as is and not respond to it.
So then you commented on 'not invoking authority' which confuses me somewhat; did I ask you or accuse you of invoking authority? I don't recall doing so once? So I'm somewhat confused why you brought this point up. Until I understand that I can't really say more on that matter.
Then you mentioned experience outside Flash's direct viewpoint being 'entirely a subjective matter' which was something we talked about earlier anyway. I'm also a little disappointed you didn't respond to anything on that matter; Cadance only mentioning Celestia/Luna/Rarity when one assumes if there was someone more likely she would have mentioned them and the fact that outside of Flash's direct perspective, if it is entirely subjective, opens up any point to being valid predicated on that argument that it simply occurs outside of Flash's personal perspective.
Then you called me obtuse, again, I'd prefer you didn't insult me personally but if that's how you feel then that is how you feel. By the same measure, I might add, I felt your post here was equally 'not conducive to discussion' to use your terminology.
Then your response to my query of why Cadance didn't receive anywhere near similar condemnation/scorn/punishment for her behaviour as Shining did was too simply say that 'the two situations are very different and people react to them differently' which is, sure, a true statement (in so much as any two situations are different and of course people react to them differently) but it doesn't actually answer anything because it is incredibly vague.
Personally I'd prefer to engage point by point on a matter but that is my style so obviously no-one's obliged to use it.
As for the movie clip, sure it was an alright movie (far from my favourite), but I think simply posting it doesn't help anything develop here at all. My personal opinion of course.
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Why did I even bother?
Zef is right, trying to reason with you is pointless.
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Again simply saying that doesn't really achieve anything. It is tantamount to 'shutting a discussion down' to use the aforementioned terminology. That being said I do apologize the inconvenience its causing you, if its any consolation I can assure you I feel just as bad about it.
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Going by his comments, he either hates Cadance or thinks we all hate Shining Armor and is trying to defend him. And failed to realize that what we're really hating on is not even the fact that he cheated on Cadance but that he did it with Sunset Shimmer, who has been trying to kill, hurt or humiliate his wife, sister and everyone close to them; and he did it because she resembles a fictional charater that he had a crush on. Which is frankly the most idiotic excuse ever.
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Then allow me, the author and absolute final authority here, to step in and make a judgment.
Zef is arguing in good faith. You are not. And you're done here. Goodbye.
6884637 although he is right about 1 thing: I hate shining armor
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I normally like Shining Armor, but his recent screwup has not done him any favours.
The thing to remember is that, not only is it more interesting to see a character make mistakes --because this creates narrative conflict--, but it gives them the chance to learn, grow, and develop, to redeem themselves or dig themselves deeper. That's what makes them more complex, more human, than an idealized cardboard standee. But beyond that, by realizing how WE react to a character's mistakes, what we learn from them and what we wish they would do or not do, we also learn about ourselves.
There's little to learn from an ideal paragon other than a generic "they're a role model", but there's plenty to learn from someone we can identify with on a more grounded level --because it's usually their flaws that we sympathize with, not their virtues. Even the most hated fictional character always has a chance to redeem themselves, and, by extension, teach us something valuable.
And in a case like this? We get angry at them because we know they can, and expect them to do better. We want them to succeed, but when we see them torpedo themselves we can't help but be upset at them. That means we still care about them on some level, and want to see them come back to the light.
And just when I thought Shining's excuse could not become even weaker! That is really pathetic of him.
Also, split on whether or not Sunset deserved that Fluttershy kicking. Leaning towards "justifiable."
6884589 I don't even know where to begin with this entire comment thread. Well, I guess I could say that every single one of your arguments (especially the ones with the "..." after the beginning phrase and the "I don't remember") seemed to be based on your memory, and you should've read the chapters over at least 3x.
But, as Zef said, it's pointless arguing with you.
6884644 Can you PLEASE do a blog post or something on this because I would absolutely LOVE to read the entire thing (I tried to, but some of the walls of text hurt my eyes lol). You don't actually have to do it, just being silly.
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You're not missing much; its mostly him/her repeating the same point over and over again. And someone is aparrently downvoting every post related to this matter...
I believe Moth has already made a blog post on this kind of problem back during the whole drama with the Flash-Cadance incident.
6885593 I have given Overlord of Gorgeous and other MRAs like him exactly the amount of attention they deserve.
6885643 "Someone", yeah.
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I don't want to get too involved in this matter, but note that, in each instance of this topic being brought up to "discussion," only comments from one user get more than one down-vote, while comments from other users on the matter get just one.
That's gonna be my only contribution.
EDIT: Ironically, my comment earned more than one downvote without even directly adressing the subject. Welp, ces't la vie.
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Yeah, I know, just being silly (like I said)
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I noticed that too. My previous comment, and every single comment responding to this idiot, had only one downvote, and a handful of upvotes (and it's EXACTLY one for each responding comment).
'snot exactly hard to figure out who did it *cough*
If I had to choose which I liked more. Sunset Shimmer or Shining Armour. I think I choose Sunset. Why? Because everyone likes a twisted and bad ass villain.