This story is a sequel to What Makes A Leader?
Sunny wants to get to know Spike better after their battle with Opaline, so she takes a trip to the Isle of Scaley for a simple conversation between friends. Unfortunately, Spike seems incapable of grasping this one simple fact about her. Together, the two of them attempt to settle the dispute as to whether or not Sunny truly qualifies as a princess once and for all.
She…might not like the answer though.
A/N: Episode 3 of the G5 Supplementary Universe. Featured on Fimfiction’s List of Stories On The Homepage: December 3, 2023
Sequel: https://www.fimfiction.net/story/552756/how-does-it-not-bother-you
Chapters (1)
You know that whole Princess Sunny comment is even weirder when you remember two of Sunny’s friends are princesses.
Like, I can’t be the only one who finds that a little awkward.
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Spike’s stuck in ancient times, which I actually pointed out in the story. Nowadays, being an alicorn doesn’t exactly carry the princess title by default, so although the comment was a bit awkward, we have to remember the guy just woke up after being asleep for several hundred years.
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Yeah, I obviously know that. I was more pointing out how it’s kind of funny Spike calls Sunny princess when that title belongs to the sisters.
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Yeah, it is definitely funny. That’s why I decided it was some juicy story material to mine, and oh boy, am I so glad I did. I hope to see some interaction from them like this in Tell Your Tale at some point as Spike’s return opened up a whole new realm of possibilities.
That was one of the best stories I have read, really enjoyed it. Keep up the good work.
Poor Sunny. XD. It good to see Soike is still good natured if more loving to tease. He must miss his friends dearly.
He doesn't know what happened to Celestia or Luna?
Spike do a little trolling.
Absolutely loved this. I got concerned for Sunny and did though for a second he was forcing Sunny to be Equestria's ruler, then remembered is Spike we're talking about.
If you told me that Spike here was really Discord pretending to be Spike, I would believe you.
Spike would be even more confused when he learns that Bridlewood and Maretime Bay don't even have official rulers. Zipp would probably have no problem of giving her title to Sunny if she could since she really has no interest in being a princess.
how come spike does not mention the changelings and the other species to sunny will it be mention in the next story?
Well just like Twilight she wasn't born in royalty but yet she became the princess of Equestria so yeah
Well to be fair Spike you've been kind of away for a long time and Equestria has been really changed a lot buddy
Well I guess King Sombra and Queen Chrysalis were a example what I wouldn't say kings and queens can't be evil like you said Queen Novo and Queen Haven prove that point
I'm so sorry Spike but that's what happens when things change and I think Opaline was the one who caused the whole thing to go turmoil from the beginning
I felt like Opaline was the one who basically spreading lot of lies about Twilight just like what she did with Misty told her about the story about Twilight which is a completely lie
Okay Spike that's that's a little bit too much don't you think Buddy I understand that but that's going up at too far
I love seeing the culture shock from this clash of generations. It really shows how much times have changed, and how much ancient knowledge has been lost. Equestria might no longer be as mighty as it once was, but at least it's now steadily rising from the bottom it had only recently been at.
You think Spike
Well I wouldn't say he's wrong but definitely there is a villain out there planning on attacking and it's not an Alicorn 😬 if you know what I'm talking about
Okay that was something else so it looks like Sunny was still talking about what Spike just said about her being a princess which she doesn't think she is but Spike still thinks she is because her status as becoming an alicorn which it was only a power up Sunny has a point but he doesn't see that way even though he tried to convince her and even think about the worst possible imaginable which that's a little bit too far she broke down into tears that she will accept it but it turns out Spike was just messing around of course he always does that but luckily despite that Sunny is still pretty happy that the dragons become friends with the ponies once again after how many years being a separated hopefully things will look to the brighter future even though there's another villain around the corner but I guess that's another story either way this was pretty cool keep up the good work
No. You're a goddess.
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No. He wouldn’t know about that as last we heard of them, they retired to Silver Shoals. Either that or they returned to Skyros after their purpose in ruling Equestria was fulfilled. It’s left unclear as of right now, but according to one of the G5 writers in an interview of sorts, we might get the answers later down the line as they have plans to use more of the G4 alicorns going forward.
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There is no next story planned currently. This was a quick and simple one-shot fic made just for fun as I wanted to expand on the dynamic of these two. Judging by the runaway success of it though, I might put a sequel under consideration for either my February or March slates as my production pipelines for December and January are already filled. But still, I definitely have plans for more G5 Spike stories outside of the continuity of this one later down the line, so you might still get your wish. You never know…
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I highly doubt Spike is going to be seen at ALL in TYT. I mean he wasn't even shown or mentioned in the short that shows Opalines defeat. So don't hold your breath. I feel Generation 5 as a whole (TYT specifically), is moving away from anything related to Generation 4. I mean nothing to date of generation 4 has been shown or even talked about in TYT, so why would they start now? Only Make your Mark has had lore pertaining to Generation 4, and with MYM now pretty much shit canned I feel TYT is just going to go about itself in the same way it has before. By that I mean childish silly humor for people with low attention spans.
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That makes sense, and if that turns out to be the case, I actually commend them for moving away from having G5 be reliant on G4 for its overarching narrative. But it would be a huge missed opportunity to not have Spike be in a few episodes, especially since the Isle of Scaley was shown in Tell Your Tale with “Lavarynth.” Plus, one of the writers confirmed their attentions of using more G4 alicorns going forward if the rumors are to be believed. So we’ll have to see what happens.
I personally hope they follow up with Spike at some point.
As someone who has seen your defences of G5 in the past and who has defended G5 themselves I know exactly why you put this dialogue in. And I love it.
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Yeah, I couldn’t resist implementing a sick burn like that in a way that makes sense, considering Spike knows what really happened back then. Excellent job in finding that bit. Have a cupcake 🧁.
You spotted it!
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What writer confirmed this? I highly doubt they are going to. Especially with all the legal skullduggery they have to slog through to even have G4 characters in Generation 5. I feel the reason they are moving away from Generation 4 characters in Generation 5 is solely because of the legal bullshit Hasbro has gotten themselves into with FiM. Also TYT is never really meant to tell a story. It's to get little kiddies to laugh and see the silly colorful ponies bounce around on screen for five or so minutes. Hasbro is chasing the Short attention span Tik Tok/YouTube Shorts crowd. It's the main reason I believe why TYT is structured the way it is.
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This is where the rumor originated. https://twitter.com/ultrasinoic/status/1708259635256553881?s=46&t=sOaE2ooXGWYBfm5i3mQiKA
Again, it is still just that, a rumor, until Hasbro confirms it themselves. But the possibility is definitely intriguing to say the least.
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Yeah but that writer was G.M Berrow. The head writer for MYM. There has been nothing stated about TYT as G.M Berrow has no affiliation with what goes on with TYT. So I doubt this really means anything. That is unless MYM is set to continue, Which considering the total lack of any new information on it I can wager to say that that is a no.
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The lack of information is concerning for sure, but many of us, including myself, believe that they’re just taking a break from MYM in 2024 to focus on TYT. You’d think they would’ve said definitively if the show was coming to an end if it was. Not even Netflix is that lazy that they wouldn’t let their consumer base know of such a fact. And there would’ve been bigger news made about it besides YouTuber speculation. I have hope that the show will be picked up again, especially because “Secrets of Starlight” didn’t really feel like an ending. Quite the opposite, actually.
It remains to be seen though. But in the meantime, I’m quite hyped for the Tell Your Tale specials, especially if Allura is going to be a constant presence throughout them.
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True. The fact Hasbro has been radio silent on MYM's future is odd. Also I believe that MYM is going to be coming out from under the NetFlix umbrella soon and end up on YouTube like TYT is.
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Let’s hope. It’ll make producing analysis content for my channel so much easier as I can just download the episodes then instead of having to record them with my iPad camera, which is less preferable from a quality standpoint.
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A lot of people who use G5 clips source them from Yayponies.
Pretty sure the only reason the three tribes needed an Alicorn ruler was to act as an arbitrator between the three tribes so that their squabbling wouldn't attract Windigos. Tying all magic to the Unity Crystals assures that should they start squabbling, magic in Equestria will be nullified and prevent the return of the Windigos. Yes, they needed some pony who could move the sun and moon, but that seems to have been taken care of. If Alicorns are needed at all it's to be a champion who protects all of Equestria.
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Interesting, I didn’t know that. I’ll test it out and see if it succeeds in downloading the episodes for my Chapter 6 review. Thanks for letting me know. :)
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I know is debatable if they are canon or not, but the comics heavily imply that the Alicorns have no actual political power and are their just to protect Equestria from threats/solve magical problems.
Kind of like the Avatars in The Last Airbender, now that I think about it.
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Are you sure about that?
Didn't stop Celestia and Luna. Their retirement technically still counts as them "refusing" to accept their titles any further. I know that's technically not quite the same as Sunny's case, since she never took up the title in the first place, but I'd argue that's just semantics at this point and that the precedent is still there.
I mean...he's not exactly wrong, is he?
Well, actually, maybe he is, because consider: Twilight was an alicorn and the ruler of the land once upon a time, and she still couldn't defeat Opaline. Best she could do was simply sideline Opaline for a time and buy time in hopes a better, more permanent, solution could be found, which it did...it just took longer than I think anyone anticipated.
Well, that's debatable. Queen Haven's a sweet soul, bless her heart, but she IS a little...how shall I put it...out of touch with most everything. And Alphabittle's just there. He hasn't ever been shown to do any actual leadership stuff for the unicorns except for, occasionally, serving as their spokespony, and even then that was usually only in happenstance.
So yeah, admittedly Sunny would probably top them on all of that by default still.
Well, I dunno, we may have never actually met the guy, but from what we were told about him, King Grover seems like he was a decent enough guy. The other griffons certainly seemed to to think highly of him, so he must've been doing something right.
Yeah, I can't believe there's still so many fans that can't seem to understand this. G5, I think, made it pretty clear to me that had been the real intent, and the account of how events had actually gone down that Spike gave in chapter 6 reaffirms that the tribal separation almost certainly happened after the fact, of the pony populace's own choice and not because of much anything Twilight had done.
Really, the only guilty party in all of that was Opaline herself, and that was only because her attempts to takeover threw a wrench in everything--she hadn't really meant to divide the ponies, or so her comments of disdain on the matter lead me to believe.
That's the internet for ya, Spike.
Well, I certainly enjoyed it. Spike always was a bit of a troll.
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Well, I dunno, Sunny DID dress up as Nightmare Moon in TYT for a Nightmare Night festivities, both specifically G4 creations (and TYT was first to do Nightmare Night before MYM did). Hearts and Hooves also was celebrated in TYT, another G4 creation. I want to say there was something else as well.
All minor things, sure, but the point is that TYT isn't necessarily ignoring G4 entirely.
Further, now that TYT is going to be the flagship G5 show, it's undoubtedly going to be doing more lore drops now that it has the freedom to do so--it hadn't before because that was MYM's job and it needed to avoid accidentally stepping on its toes, so now that this restriction is no longer relevant...that does open some interesting doors for TYT. Plus, it has been confirmed that some longer, 45-minute, specials are on the horizon for TYT, so it's not all going to be five minute shorts.
Not that I mind either way, I've enjoyed TYT quite a lot. MYM was much more serious, which wasn't a bad thing, but TYT is more willing to have fun with the universe too, and that was always a huge part of FiM's success, so this is a plus in my mind. And I agree with 11766231, G5 shouldn't need to be reliant and riding on the coattails of G4 in order to find success--it'll be good for it to continue to find it's own voice rather than try to ape a previous generation's.
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Oh yeah forgot about that. I guess there was ONE time they referenced something. Even a blind man hits the nail on the head every now and then.
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I thought those were going to be 4 20 minute specials and not 45. I don't think that was ever said.
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Oh, maybe it was and I'm getting the times mixed up. Standard MLP episode length specials, then, in any case. That's the real point I was getting across there anyway.
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The specials will be 22 minutes each according to the EQD headline.
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Good luck!
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Yeah and even the "LQ" downloads there are very watchable and high quality while keeping the filesizes low.
(They certainly beat out the YouTube rips I made back in the day.)
Good kings and queens: King Thorax, Queen Novo, King Aspen, King Thaumas, Queen Ozomene, the King and Queen of Abyssinia, King Incacitus, King Orion, King Vorak, Queen Haydon, all six Queens of Caninia, Queen Trixie (briefly), Queen Parabola
Evil kings and queens: Queen Chrysalis, King Sombra, the Storm King, King Longhorn, King Thrace, King Diomedes, King Meowmeow, King Danu
Unclassified: King Anubis, King Bullion
Good: 19
Evil: 8
Ignoring historical, that's 14 good to 7 evil. Ignoring comics, that's 2 good to 3 evil
Of course, Spike didn't interact with all of them
Yeah, even after Discord's explanation of events in the comics was retconned by MYM2, the idea persisted.
What about a review?