• Published 17th Jan 2016
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I'm Not a Fly - Dr Atlas



A changeling walks into Rarity's boutique...only to get offended in the worst way possible.

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Oh...Really?

Author's Note:

Alright,
fine,
you win,
I was wrong, and some of you were right.
I should've taken notes about this fic, cause it really got attention,
and not the kind I wanted either.
So, here's the next, and only, chapter of this story,
It fixes things; it explains things, and overall, makes me feel a bit better.
I just hope you guys can understand that me waking up and seeing over 50 comments over arguments is something no one should see,
unlike other's, I hate seeing them, I hate hearing them, and I hate being apart of them.
I know I can't stop you from giving opinions or saying something is bad or good about this fic.
but I can say that those who show hostility can hopefully learn from a big, green jacket wearing, chinless, happy, lovable mono brow.
Yeah, learn from Ed:
"Hostility is the calling card of a weak intellect."

Carl tapped his hoof impatiently at the train stop, looking left and right in hopes that he could see a train coming, but he knew it would be another fifteen minutes until it arrived. Carl looked around, seeing only a small group of ponies around him thankful that there weren't as many as usual.

“Stupid mare,” He thought “thinking changelings are nothing but love sucking, mindless drones, well, I ain’t having any more of that, I’m goin’ to a pony town that actually respects a bug, someplace like...like...uh.” Carl then realized no such place existed, as far as he knew, anyway.

He got tired of standing and walked over to a bench that was far away from the ponies. He sat down, staring at the floor. A strange feeling started coming over him, which he quickly shook away, knowing it wasn't his fault at all. “Oh, please, like that’s true...B-Besides, it’s her fault anyway. She’s the one who offended me, and my reaction was totally normal, I-I mean, it’s not like she’ll ever-”

“Carl.”

Carl jumped in slid to the other side of the bench. “AH...g-geez, pony, d-don’t scare me...like...that?” Once he turned right, he was astounded to see what was next to him. “Oh...hi, Rarity.”

The white unicorn sighed and sat down next to him. “Hello, Carl. I thought I’d see you here.”

“Uh, yeah, I didn’t expect to see you through.” He adjusted himself in the seat. “So, why did you come over here? Did you have more flyswatters you wanted to put on my horn or-"

“No, Carl, I wanted to talk, and you’re lucky I am, too, because it’s not every day main ponies talk to background one’s.” She looked toward the nearby ponies. “I’m sure others hate that anyway.”

Carl crossed his arms. “I’m sure ponies hate a lot about ‘background’ creatures, especially us.”

Rarity knew this was going to be difficult. “Darling, listen, I wanted to talk about what happened earlier.”

Carl put his hoof up to her face. “I don’t wanna hear it, Rarity, I’ve heard enough from you already, and I’d rather not hear more.”

Rarity slapped the hoof away. “You need to understand. I’m not being the only one who’s acting like a jerk!”

“Acting like a jerk?” Carl scooted closer. “The hay are you talking about?”

“I’m talking about what you said and how you said it!” She pointed at him “I’m starting to think you acting offensive was just some way to get out of this place.”

Carl’s face went blank, completely shocked. “Y-You really think I acted over there? You hit me with a flyswatter, Rarity, a fly-swatt-er!

“And you barged into my store the second I found out who you really were!" Rarity yelled. "Not only that, but half the things you said weren’t true!”

“Oh really!?” Carl yelled back. “How the hay would you know how an idiotic bug like me acts around racist mares like you!”

“Probably the same way a racist bug acts around a pony!”

As the argument grew louder and louder, some ponies in the area started stepping further away while others watched in fascination. One stallion nudged a mare next to him and said, “What do you think they’re arguing about?”

The mare shrugged. “I dunno, but it’s pretty entertaining to watch others argue over something silly, isn’t it?”

The stallion smiled. “Yup, thank Celestia we’re not apart of it, don’t wanna make a fool outta ourselves, right?”

The mare shrugged. “I just hope they realize how pointless it is. Last I heard, nopony wins in arguments.”

The stallion shook his head in shame. “Nope. Hey, ya wanna get something to eat? This is making me hungry.”

The mare nodded and the both of them walked off while the disguised bug and white unicorn continued yelling

“It’s not just about being racist to me,” Carl yelled. “it’s about being racist to every creature you meet. I mean, what other type of monsters came into this place only to witness ponies scream and run away or get hurt by you guys?”

“We never...W-We weren't...u-uh…” Unfortunately, Rarity had a couple creatures in mind. “Well...There was a zebra that we were afraid of at first,” She admitted, getting an even worse glare from him. “B-BUT, we quickly became friends afterwards.”

“Was it forced or willingly?” Carl asked.

Rarity didn't understand the question. “W-What do you mean?”

Carl rolled his eyes. “What I mean is did you have to make friends with that zebra because you needed them or because you wanted to apologize for your rude behavior?”

Rarity opened her mouth to answer, then shut it, then did it again, then closed it again. “Um...w-well, i-it was a little of both, y-you see, me and my friends had this...problem.”

“Was it being offensive, because it doesn’t look like they helped you fix that.”

Rarity held back her anger and continued. “No, it wasn’t that. We were contaminated with poison joke and-”

Carl looked away. “Serves ya right.”

Rarity’s ear flicked, hoping she didn’t hear that right. “What?”

Carl looked up, not caring if she heard him or not. “Nothing; continue.”

Rarity sighed. “As I was saying, we were poisoned and we needed her help to fix us, after that, we became friends.” She smiled, hoping he’d do the same.

Carl still didn’t buy it. “Did you think it was their fault at first, because changelings have been known to be accused of something even though they didn’t do it, and I’m not talking about what my siblings did in Canterlot, that was their fault.”

Rarity knew she’d be lying if she said no. “I..w-well, we...Ugh, okay, yes. At first, we thought it was some spell or jinx she put on us, b-but we quickly found out it’s-”

“That it wasn’t their fault...and that it wasn’t from the very beginning either.” Carl turned away, starting to get sick of this story. “I’m sure she felt pretty good about hearing that. How long did it take for her to forgive you, a couple weeks, a month?”

“Try the second we apologize.”

Carl laughed. “Yeah, I thought it’d take at least a couple...couple...wait.” Carl scooted back in the bench. “I-Instantly?”

Rarity’s face continued looking serious. “She took it well, unlike you who over reacted to all of this.”

“I didn't over react at all!" Carl said, feeling like he lied.

Rarity knew this was more than an argument over a flyswatter. "Carl, please, just tell me why, why did you act like that?"

"I-I was just..I-I can't...I-I was." Carl covered his face with his hooves. "I...I'm just..."

“You’re just what, darling? Because whatever it is, it’s very serious now, and not funny, not anymore, not even when I pointed that-”

“I’m just sick of seeing it every single day!” Carl yelled. “In every town I go to, in every city, in every place I visit, the second my disguise is gone, ponies act just like you did.”

“And do you know why?”

Carl looked at her. “Because I’m a disgusting bug?”

“No. Think about it, darling. How long ago was the attack.”

“Why are bringing that up?”

“Because ponies, and I’m sure many other creatures, usually take a while to forgive others for what they did.” She slid closer to him. “Zecora might have been more forgiving, but that was only because we just misunderstood her.”

“Kinda like how ponies are misunderstanding how not all changelings are evil?”

Rarity had to bring it up again. “Your kind tried to take over Equestria, darling.”

Carl flung his arms in the air. “But I wasn’t apart of it! It was all my siblings fault! They-”

It was then Rarity knew exactly how to relate to this changeling. “They made others judge you for what they did, or have them embarrass you from time to time?”

Carl couldn’t believe how right she was. “Y-Yeah, ponies always think I’m like my siblings...wait, how would you know about-”

“I have a sister, darling.”

Carl was shocked to hear that, he didn’t even know ponies could have siblings. “Ponies can have siblings too?”

Rarity found that a little silly, but still nodded. “Yes, they can."

Carl’s face went blank, but this time in confusion. “Oh, uh...I see. S-So, do your brothers and sisters make fun of you too?”

Rarity laughed. “I Just have one, and, like yours, she can be a bit of a hassle, and sometimes others might judge me based off her, but I know that, sooner or later, once I show myself to the world, others will understand that I’m not exactly like my sister, I am in some ways, but I’m still who I am, do you understand?”

Carl had a feeling she wasn’t just explaining herself and turned away. “Yeah, I understand, I-I’m sure if I can show myself to one pony, I can show it to more, right?”

Rarity nodded. “Yes, but, um, be sure you act a little more...confident, darling. You were acting a bit...strange, in a way.”

Carl could admit that. “Yeah, my acting skills need work.” He looked up at her, knowing he had to say this. “Hey...I...I’m sorry for how I acted, I-I should’ve just explained from the start instead of barging in, shouldn’t I?”

Rarity smiled. “And I’m sorry as well. I should’ve listened to you instead of panicking and running all over the place to find something to hit you. I-It was just unlucky I used that, because it was either hitting you with a flyswatter or the...other thing…”

Carl knew what she was talking about. “Oh yeah, what was with that second horn anyway? Was it something you wear on top of the other one or…”

Rarity looked away. “It was something I designed for unicorns to wear, kind of like a ring only that it covers the whole horn in sparkling gems and diamonds.”

“So, why were you blushing over it?”

Rarity bit her bottom lip. “Well, because I found out that ponies used it for...other things besides fashion…”

Carl was confused. “Other things? What other-”

“ALL ABOARD!”

Both of them looked up, seeing that the train was coming. Carl got up and stretched. “Welp, time to head out.”

Rarity stood up as well, surprised to hear that after all they talked about. “You’re still leaving?”

Carl held his chin up. “Well, I’m a jr. train operator, so I kinda stop between towns to grab a bite, but I guess I can go to the next, maybe the eight time will be the charm.”

Rarity remembered another question she had to ask him. “That reminds me. Why did you come to me first? A dress shop is a strange place to find love, darling.”

Carl shrugged. “Ponies make tons of things with love, food, art, stories...dresses are the same, right?”

“Um…” Rarity thought about saying dress making had more work than love put in them, but she knew that wasn’t entirely true. “O-Of course we do...j-just, try finding a better place, like...a fancy diner, or a relaxing spa, or...well, I-I’m sure you’ll figure it out.”

Carl smiled. “I think I have a few ideas.” He stepped inside, but turned around one last time to say, “Hey, it was nice meeting you, I can’t remember the last time I had a nice conversation with a pony.”

Rarity felt kinda sad hearing that, but continued having a grin on her face. “I’m sure you’ll have more soon.” She promised before waving goodbye.

Carl waved one more time and went inside. The train started moving its wheels seconds after he went in before finally heading off into the next town. Rarity stopped waving and chuckled. “Perhaps some things need to be taken seriously, not matter how silly it is.” With that in mind she turned and started walking back home.

Once she was inside her boutique again, she walked over to her work station again and realized just how far she had gone in the dress she was designing. “Now, about that blue fabric…” She studied it very closely, knowing there were tons of things she could make with it, perhaps a...or maybe a...or possibly a...or...or...

*THUNK*

She hit her head on the table, knowing those thoughts were still not there thanks to no inspiration.

“Ow…”

Comments ( 144 )

One stallion nudged a mare next to him and said, “What do you think they’re arguing about?”

The mare shrugged. “I dunno, but it’s pretty entertaining to watch others argue over something silly, isn’t it?”

The stallion smiled. “Yup, thank Celestia we’re not apart of it, don’t wanna make a fool outta ourselves, right?”

The mare shrugged. “I just hope they realize how pointless it is. Last I heard, nopony wins in arguments.”

The stallion shook his head in shame. “Nope. Hey, ya wanna get something to eat? This is making me hungry.”

The mare nodded and the both of them walked off while the disguised bug and white unicorn continued yelling

I see what you did there.

This got a chuckle out of me every once in awhile, but not as often as it should. The writing's good, but the main joke fell flat. BUT, it's not your writing that made it fall flat. It's the fact the joke is spoiled even before we read.. Take the other recently featured comedy, "What A Horrible Weapon He Wields". Now, i'm not going to spoil it, but notice how nothing is spoiled by the image or description. But anyways, yeah, if the cover image and description were more vague to the point we can't get an idea on what's in this, it probably would of made me, and a lot of other people, laugh a lot more.

The mare shrugged. “I dunno, but it’s pretty entertaining to watch others argue over something silly, isn’t it?”

The stallion smiled. “Yup, thank Celestia we’re not apart of it, don’t wanna make a fool outta ourselves, right?”

The mare shrugged. “I just hope they realize how pointless it is. Last I heard, nopony wins in arguments.”

The stallion shook his head in shame. “Nope. Hey, ya wanna get something to eat? This is making me hungry.”

The mare nodded and the both of them walked off while the disguised bug and white unicorn continued yelling

Tee-hee. I'm so above the arguments and the hostilities and the negativity that I choose to take a swipe at people who rightfully criticised my laughably awful attempts at comedy, and paint them as two jibbering, out-of-character idiots. Because that's how you show humility and wisdom, right?

You missed a full-stop. Be sure to edit that in in size 400 font, while you're at it.

“I have a sister, darling.”

Carl was shocked to hear that, he didn’t even know ponies could have siblings. “Ponies can have siblings too?”

Was I in the minority as I didn't see the need for an extra chapter?

offensive

lol

“I’m talking about what you said and how you said it!” She pointed at him “I’m starting to think you acting offenSive was just some way to get out of this place.”

What was that suppoSed to mean? :twilightoops:

And in other news:

“It’s not just about being racist to me,” Car yelled.

Carl

“Why are you bring that up?”

"Why do/would you bring that up?", or "Why are you bringing that up?"

Rarity found that a little silly, but still nodded. “Yes, then can."

they

Carl waved one more time and went inside. The train started moving it’s wheels seconds after...

started moving its wheels

That will be all pal.

“No, Carl, I wanted to talk, and you’re lucky I am, too, because it’s not every day main ponies talk to background one’s.”

Wait, what? Did Pinkie tell her they were on TV or something?

Well, this chapter kinda helps even things out. The writing is a bit clunky and feels hasty, might want to give it another pass in editing. Otherwise, it's decent.

it’s not every day main ponies talk to background one’s.

"Ones" does not need an apostrophe.

The stallion smiled. “Yup, thank Celestia we’re not apart of it, don’t wanna make a fool outta ourselves, right?”

a part

have you considered getting an editor or a pre-reader?

“I have a sister, darling.”
Carl was shocked to hear that, he didn’t even know ponies could have siblings. “Ponies can have siblings too?”

:facehoof:...Oww, my face.

I reviewed this story!

My review can be found here.

6848435
Thanks for the review.
Hopefully it not being recommended will make others look away from it
because, believe it or not, I HATE this fic, I hate this fic more than I hate "I want to be an uncle" and THAT fic of mine had sequels that I still regret writing.

This fic has more flame comments, page long rant reviews, downvoted praises, and topics that I thought couldn't be possible in a a comment section of a story, I have never been more disappointed.

I tried, guys...really, I did.
I tried cleaning it up in the second chapter
I tried bringing in the funny
I TRIED writing a good fic for everyone to have a laugh at and not be mad at.

but no,
this is just another mistake that I still haven't learned from.
I'm sorry everyone, I don't know what happened here.
I just saw fan art and wanted to write a story about it
but I guess this wasn't the way it was suppose to go.
If you need me, I'll be back in the corner of my less popular fics that I enjoy writing.

6848615
There's no reason to get angry over a story like this.

Not that people don't get angry over stupid stuff (one of my stories has about 200 comments about an off-hand joke about souls, because people really need to argue about that in the comments of a comedy story, eh?) but really, getting upset over something like this is silly.

The point of the story was, after all, the absurd; the changeling got swatted by Rarity, and got upset about how racist this was. Which is utterly incongrous with Rarity being worried about the changeling doing bad things to her, as she goes from being aggressive and angry towards the changeling to being confused because she got called a racist and got chewed out by her assumed attacker.

I wouldn't get too worried over people getting in fights in the comments. It happens.

My problem with the story was not that it was never funny (there were funny bits), but that it felt like the pacing was off, so that rather than the story making me laugh more and more, it kind of ended up wearing thin.

The idea behind the story wasn't bad, and I can see why you'd want to write a story about the cover art - the idea of a changeling getting swatted with a flyswatter is inherently funny.

In part, you learn by doing.

I didn't even read the second chapter (I actually read the story yesterday), but it doesn't feel nearly as strong as the first. I think you were closer to right in the first chapter than the second one.

Comedy isn't easy. A lot of it comes down to timing and a sense of when something is going to sweep people up in it. And sometimes, it is going to offend people. That's just kind of how it goes.

I liked it :3

6846070 But we know of other countries besides China.

I reiterate: the changelings had somehow remained unknown until Chrysalis showed up and invaded with her army.

Now after the defeat, a lone changeling just happens to show up on the doorstep of one of the Bearers (Coincidence? I think not.) and tries to play the blame game on her with a rant that is suspiciously significantly more competent and far better grammatically constructed than his pitiful disguise and poorly phrased introduction.

It's almost as if it was planned ahead of time...

There's that old saying which applies well here: Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.

6846301

Actually yes. That's why you're supposed to do.

See: Lord of the Rings and orcs. Care to open a dialog with Ugluk, smartass?

Reason doesn't always work. You negotiate with the invading force when their leaders surrender, and treat lone DISGUISED individuals are potential spies.

Your speculations are meaningless. The evidence suggests a highly aggressive race that depends upon mind-control and deception for their survival. Logic dictates that they are untrustworthy based solely on how they have demonstrated that they feed. Much like someone not being exactly trusting of a cobra, even if it slithers toward you with its hood folded.

I would point out the fable of the scorpion and the frog. When dealing with clearly dangerous creatures, extreme caution is paramount. You do not welcome your former invaders with open arms in an instant, lest you risk them stabbing your straight through the heart.

To risk your nation for the sake of appearances is tantamount to suicide, and be it on your own head when it's caused to roll; yet it is unjust of you to demand that others perish with you on your blind path.

6848615
Relax one second and take a look at this story's rating. As I'm writing this it stands at 519 up and 55 down.
That's a 90% approval rate.

Don't mistake people having discussions sparked by your story with people hating on your story, and don't mistake a few loud people who are hating on it with the majority.

This is the internet. This is how the internet operates. People argue over nothing as if their lives depended on it and it is neither your fault it happened nor your responsibility to fix it.

What exactly happened here?
This didnt need another chapter...
Especially not if you didnt want to write it.

6848655 I second this sentiment! :raritywink:

6846092
To cover the serious part, every culture has different methods for signaling "Let's Talk". In medieval times, heralds or clerics might have handled this job. I'm assuming that the ponies aren't murderous fanatics, here. If they haven't fought a war in a century, they should be more willing to talk, not less. Panic is an issue, yes, but the white flag bearers (or whoever) don't want to talk to Random Civilian, they want to talk to whoever's bossing the show. Carl ought to be happy to be dragged in front of Twilight; at least then he'd be talking to someone capable of doing something about this whole mess. Maybe she can give her seamstress friend a stern talking to.

And, I know. I'm digging way to deep into a story that exists solely to frame a diatribe. I should probably quit.

Sorry to be that guy, but

“Yup, thank Celestia we’re not apart of it, don’t wanna make a fool outta ourselves, right?”

They were technically apart of it, since they weren't a part. These two might be similar, but have opposite meanings.
By the way, I actually thought the first chapter was good enough. I didn't read the mentioned comments because of time, but I found no actual problem with it. It's a story you wrote and that's good enough.

He(?) was in the wrong. So yes this story sucked. Sorry.

"Hostility is the calling card of a weak intellect." How dare you! Being prone to violence or hostilely has nothing to do with intellect. I have a 147IQ I still want to kick you ass for that statement! You bucking punk... :pinkiehappy:

wlam #25 · Jan 19th, 2016 · · 1 ·

offensive

Now that was just petty.

6849839 Oh sorry I did see it was The Eds words. All hail the ED!!!!!!!

6848737 And remember lads! We concluded this by seeing the military of a brand new race for 5 minutes! Of course we don't need to know anything more! We can make perfectly safe assessments about the canon of the show within seconds!

E. G. Lyra and Bon Bon are sitting next to each other? Ship!

Quality speculation you have right here, tottaly reliable.

Kappa.

6848732
6846070 Are you two guys for real? Nevermind the fact that you are taking a comedy way too seriously...

You dare compare events in a children's cartoon and real life scumbags to... This?!

I feel like my intelligence was insulted today.

Adios.

6849903 Yeah.... seeing AN ENTIRE INVASION and DIRECTLY HEARING THE INVADERS PLANS is rather quite a bit more evidence upon which to formulate an opinion and a policy than automatically concluding two ponies are in a relationship simply because they're in immediate proximity to each other.

I see they don't teach rational thought much these days.

6849944 Are you for real? I didn't say I doubt Chrysalis's intentions show-wise but this says nothing of what the changelings are as a race.

Rational thought is here. I doubt you ever had any when you started a philosophical debate in a comedy.

Real smart. Kappa.

6849964
Have you not seen any of Alondro's comments before?

6850006 No. Link me. I will proceed to block him later if necessary.

6848615 and yet, you still have a very good Like ratio. Figure that.
Seems some people are so passionate idiots that poison the comments thread, but around 500 readers at least didn't comment at all, so.... Grain of salt,

6850015
You can google it if you want, but it's a pain finding anything since there's no central forum/list of posts/etc on fimfiction. From what I've seen of his posts, he just seems to enjoy trolling the comments, particularly of changeling stories.

6850463

Comedy is serious business, bro'.

I liked it when Carl just shut Rarity the hell down and made her question herself and sense of worth and friendship.

Second chapter wasn't really needed but it does wrap things up in a nice and pretty little bow in which Rarity is the one who makes Carl question himself and......I hate ponies.

pretty well written, and this extra chapter gave it a nice resolution. good job!

Dr Atlas... as a reader of a lot of your works, I can say that you are a brilliant mind.
You are a great author and from your notes up there, I see wisdom in you.
People of your maturity on the internet are rare these days. :pinkiehappy:

To the author:
I feel your pain. I hate it when people argue :fluttercry:

6849839

Yeah, learn from Ed:

"Hostility is the calling card of a weak intellect."

Given your A/N, are you intentionally insulting anyone who took a dislike enough to your story that they had to point out their feelings on it? Or just anyone ranting and cursing for no reason without any valid points? The latter is fine, but the former...

6848739

And don't assume that the majority must automatically be correct. If that was the case, the human race would be even more irreparably doomed than it already is.


6850015

Alondro is a lot like you. To many he can be considered a troll, others comedy, and sometimes he will actually make the most sense out of anyone in an argument.

6851068 I am considered to many a troll? Really? Like me? I don't think you wonna keep going that direction.

6851038

That's not the point. All of that might be obvious to the Changelings, but what about the ponies? All they know is scary alien bug people attacked them and momentarily overthrew their country.

Celestia is pretty inept as a leader. Her plan to stop a soul devouring centaur kaiju was to get rid of her magic. I'm pretty sure a large number of ponies would support a regime change.

On top of that, scary alien bug people could be ANYONE ANYWHERE ANYTIME.

So what? Any random person could decide to go on a killing spree any random time. There is already random unknown danger in the world. This adds nothing to nature's casual indifference towards your existence at all. Or are you one of those people who is seriously worried about a distant tar going nova and hitting the Earth with the resulting Gamma ray burst?

It would be insane to think that anyone would just be accepting off the bat.

No it is not. You seem to think everyone thinks the same way you think. This is not at all the case. Everyone thinks differently. Everyone cares about different things. What is illogical to you is perfectly logical to someone else. Logic is funny like that.

If monstrous-looking aliens descended from the sky today, disabling all world governments and talking about how we'd all be their cattle, would you let one of them into your home?

Hell yes! I would WELCOME them into my home. Humans have some of the dumbest, least efficient, utterly stupid cultural and political systems. A hard reset of everything via aliens who could potentially uplift our species into a starfaring civilization would be amazing. I would actively HELP alien life overthrow the government. They have FTL ships! They are in all ways superior to human leadership. Who cares what they look like they have faster than light starships!

Sure they may plan on using us as cattle, but you see, unlike normal animals, sapient animals are useful for many many things. Eventually, with enough peaceful discussion, we could become their equals. Or we could wait till the right time then kill them all and take their starships! Or if we can't, our species deserves to be their food. Survival of the fittest.

Around your children?

I do not have, nor will I ever have children. I have sterilized mself so I do not ever need to destroy my personal life by contributing to our species ever growing populations d the resulting issues with there being billions upon billions of us. But if I did have children, yes, I would.

You'd have to be certifiable to assume that this one is innocent, or that the ones who just screwed up everything you know are only a fraction of their entire people and completely different from the rest - because you know absolutely nothing about them, and acquiring the knowledge to want to treat them kindly goes against every survival instinct you'd have, especially for an herbivorous herd species like ponies.

No you don't. In fact that's backwards thinking and also highly racist. Assuming all of group X is a certain way is scientifically provably fallacious thinking. The sane thing to do is accept that "These individuals did thing Y." and leave the groups those individuals are apart of out of it.

Some of those invading changelings probably liked to read books. By your logic all booklovers are dangerous! See the problem?

6851078

Yes, I have come across a number of comments labeling you a troll. What are you gonna do? Shit happens. People think I'm a troll for about the same reasons. Nevermind all the helping out authors and sticking up for the underdog I've done, if you don't agree with the brain-addled majority and if you rise to their bait you're probably trolling (in their eyes, at least).

As for your threat, dear Nio, you clearly don't know who you're dealing with. It's cute, and while I find you somewhat interesting, it's not quite enough that I'd feel like dragging you through the dirt in a several-week long argument with multiple people backing you up like I've been dominating on this site for years. I was not insulting you, so the threat is pointless, and if I were in any less of a good mood, it would be offensive that it was the first thing you jumped to despite our previous positive interactions.

Now, do you want to get into this with me, or do you want to mutually accept that no harm was intended by either party and not turn this place into a metaphorical flaming wreck? Personally, I'd prefer the latter. You?

6851090 There was no threat in this. I mostly was saying it because it pisses me off and ticks me.

In fact my dear... I don't know how to troll. Suprising? I don't understand most jokes you people say, I have a real hard time discerning sarcasm at times, and have a problem with expression.

If I did troll I quite understand how I do it.

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Congrats. You managed to pick out one instance of negotiations not working among a sea of fiction. Now how many times do you think negotiations have particularly managed to work in the sea of fiction or in reality.

You are also sometimes meant to attempt negotiations before the conflict starts. War should always be a final solution. Never the first or even the second when other options exist.

Literally all of your evidence and logic is nothing more than assumptions. Once again, you know only two facts about their race. They seek love and they can shapeshift. Highly aggressive race? You barely know a damn thing about the entirety of their race beyond those two facts. Mind Control? Literally only one instance can be provided in the show. If one instance is enough to be considered the standard then unicorns are also mind manipulative (Twilight Sparkle), dark magic slavers (Sombra), cult leaders (Starlight Glimmer).

Your scorpion and the frog tale is a horrible example. The story is literally "I won't sting you so let me on" and the frog lets him on no precautions other than if you sting me we both drown.

Caution is properly assessing the situation as well taking proper precautions.

To risk your nation for the sake of appearances is tantamount to suicide, and be it on your own head when it's caused to roll; yet it is unjust of you to demand that others perish with you on your blind path.

You know what else is risking your nation? Going to War. Openly going for hostilities. Especially in the face of an enemy you know nothing about.

Get facts. Then act.

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If you haven't noticed I've been advocating that we know little about changelings.

Rarity was pretty much: "I see changeling. I assume worst about the changeling. I openly act those assumptions rashly without even attempting to get the facts"

You see how that was technically wrong in this situation.

How "(extreme) caution" is getting mixed with "welcome with open arms", I'll never know.

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Hell yes! I would WELCOME them into my home. Humans have some of the dumbest, least efficient, utterly stupid cultural and political systems. A hard reset of everything via aliens who could potentially uplift our species into a starfaring civilization would be amazing. I would actively HELP alien life overthrow the government. They have FTL ships! They are in all ways superior to human leadership. Who cares what they look like they have faster than light starships!

Aside from... All of every single point of this edgy misanthrope supreme nonsense here, I have to pick this one apart because you think Alien's have superior leadership because they have better technology. :facehoof:

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Precisely my point. The three of us have often been looked at that way. Don't discount what Alondro says simply because he comes off as an asshole. Which he is! Alondro will admit that, and I've fought with him before. But he will, fairly regularly, make quite a bit of sense. And in this argument, he is actually making sense when he talks about how a normal person will react given the lack of knowledge and understanding involved. Several of the most logical and understanding people I've come across in this community have used similar arguments to his on this story, and that really should count for something, yet the legions of pointless idealists (who lack the ability to discern reality from how they think it should be) in this community will always outnumber us.

I'm naturally abrasive, I've realized. You can say things normally understood to be insulting without realizing it. There's plenty of people like us who just need to be reminded by someone with similar experience how we're coming across, like I just did with you. Are we good?

*(As a note, when you say to someone something along the lines of 'you don't wanna continue with that', you're warning them they'd better stop or you're going to do something to make them stop. This constitutes a commonly-understood threat. Just a bit of additional understanding for your future posts.)

6851128 If they have successfully formed a starfaring empire, by definition they have better leadership than we humans who can't even get states within the same nation on the same planet to agree on weather or not gay people deserve the same rights as strait people, but suitably altered to match their sexual preferences.

Sorry dude, but mysanthropy is kind of the sane thing to have for your species when talking about politics and social dynamics. Want me to say positive things about humans? Let's talk technology and science. Did you know a lab in Germany got a fusion reactor to hold a stable reaction a few weeks back? We may have the whole energy crisis thing done and over with in three or so years. That's pretty kick ass!

Meanwhile, in social relations land, because of some bronze age books humans murdered a cartoonist because he was critical of their fandom. If you yourself dont look at humans and go "SERIOUSLY!?" over the stuff like that which literally happens every single day somewhere on this rock... I have nothing to say to you.

At the moment humans stupidity outweighs our awesome as far as I can see. But we none the less do have some awesome... We just need to get some of the fail to go away before I'll be over all happy with my species thank you very much.

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No you don't. In fact that's backwards thinking and also highly racist. Assuming all of group X is a certain way is scientifically provably fallacious thinking.

If you yourself dont look at humans and go "SERIOUSLY!?" over the stuff like that which literally happens every single day somewhere on this rock... I have nothing to say to you.

So... Two statements right here that are very contradictory, which is it then?

If they have successfully formed a starfaring empire, by definition they have better leadership than we humans who can't even get states within the same nation on the same planet to agree on weather or not gay people deserve the same rights as strait people, but suitably altered to match their sexual preferences.

Or they could be using mind control, drugs, and cultism that could be keeping them together or a vast number of things that are very harmful but useful for control, but I'll drop this since..well it's kinda cluttering the topic and it's pretty off topic.

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