I'm like a god in cervine clothing. Lightning bolts shoot from my antler tips.
Equestria has been doing some shady stuff for a while now. The Student 6, after nearly being killed by Discord (A conversation point for another day), are now realizing just that fact.
Like, seriously what the heck? Why does Celestia own their culture's artifacts?
Written because Season 8's Episode; A Matter of Principals sorta rubbed me the wrong way XD
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The fic itself is fine—a bit too blunt for its own good, maybe, but fine nonetheless. My problem is that it falls into a subgenre (the "Episode gets DESTROYED with FACTS and LOGIC!" comedy oneshot) whose continued success I've since grown rather irritated with.
To put it simply, it's not you, it's me. Sorry.
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Oh believe me it's more than OK.
I am being a bit of a hypocrite with this story I will admit, because I am in the same boat and I tend to hate those fics.
This one really rubbed me the wrong way because it is an insanely easy fix/idea that they didn't do at all and in the end it has some pretty big diplomatic blow back XD.
They could have said that these were borrowed from the leaders of the other nations, but instead it implies that these literally *belong* to Celestia, which kinda rubbed me the wrong way.
Yeah, I do agree with you on this one, why the heck does Celestia own all of these artifacts
For a slightly more palatable theory
>Canterlot, barring a few outliers the show focuses on, is relatively safe
>Nobody much wants to screw with the Big White Horse unless they don't need or want a sun
>Therefore, the royal vaults are extremely safe for artifacts of significant magical powers. Maybe less accessible, but...
Being magical WMD Switzerland isn't a particularly great answer either, I know.
For a specific theory, I figure she's also sitting on Grover's crown until there is a king in Griffonstone again. Or at least a civic leader who won't hock it for money within ten minutes. Still not great, but a well-intentioned not great.
Wow as much I really don't like to point fingers And twilight didn't even knew about this whole thing you do have a good point there Especially with the artifacts It did kind of raised a lot of question to be honest with you I never really thought of that And how did princess Celestia knew about these There's a lot of things she never tells us which that makes her a little suspicious
I mean I'm not gonna say she's a bad guy But it doesn't Help her case For not telling the other creatures and twilight about this she's got a lot explaining to do but with this episode Yeah it did kind of rub me the wrong way as well Specially discords attitude almost putting the dangers of the kids And it doesn't help it was the same writer who wrote the episode Non-Compete Clause Which she has a really bad reputation to the mlp fandom Now it's not the worst episode but it did not deliver properly specially I really want to see young 6 Which I always feel like they always had to be in the bad episode at least some when they show up which that's not fair for them And they always have to be in the background I really want to get to know to these kids But I guess this is what happens when you don't have the time Which that makes you feel they should have done this Earlier in the show But I don't hate the show and I still love it up's and Downs but anyway this was An interesting story
Well that was not bad.
I hadn’t thought about the artifacts, but when you think about it, Equestria became the guiding hoof behind many of these cultures through “friendship”. It’s hard not to see a correlation to historical Imperialism, even if the staff had not intended it.
But then, the ponies don’t come across well in Season 8 and 9. Perhaps it’s me, but they seem a little more vindictive in the last seasons, more mean-spirited. Season 8 ended with the ponies sticking a clearly disturbed filly into Tartarus, so claiming the ponies are actually Imperialists holds more weight than the staff meant.
Yeah, that episode just shouted warning bells to me. In fact, the whole school of friendship is kinda white man's burden to me in that only ponies know friendship and must teach it to other species.
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I agree with you fully. The only race that I think would actually need 'friendship' lessons are the changelings. And that is literally only because they didn't have a culture and spent all of their history as practically mindless slaves.
Equestria's School of Friendship is literally a White Man's Burden type thing, and you would not believe the amount of people I have interacted that have that exact mind set of 'The Alicorn's Burden' or 'The Pony's Burden', it is almost infuriating XD!
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Like the writers probably didn't intend for it to be that way but as a grad school history student, that school reeks of White Man's Burden. A better idea would have been for a school where students could share their culture and how each culture views friendship.
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Maybe not so much own as she gets a dane geld for protecting gimcracks.
Yeah that episode felt kinda wack, and the whole school thing just doesn't work. I dun like it, so it's not a friendship academy in my setting. It's more of a noblebright Scholomance. Teaches all sorts of things, including magic.
Some of the artifacts, might be in Equestria due to security. Like the crown of Grover, but yeah a lot of that is questionable.
There are a few errors, such as typos, and sentences with no endings.
Also, I thought Knuckerbocker’s shell belonged to the hippogriffs?
Also also, I always thought that the idea of the School of Friendship was cheesy even by this show’s standards, so I like to imagine that its true purpose it to help the races get along, like the Jade Mountain Academy in Wings of Fire.
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with her language about how discord's magic could be "of use" im not supprised she would keep powerfull artifacts lile that she is proberbly doing it as bargining chips so that she can blackmail others into allies
Hey, me too.
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I think Knucklebocker's shell belongs to the Dragons cause it summons a dragon when you blow into it.
I think the Amulet fits better for the Hippogryphs more, since it controls the tides and stuff lol.
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Nice to know I’m not the only one either
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Conversion. Those stories are ponies burden incarnate.
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this kind of thought process leads to isolationism and xenophobia as protecting your own culture from outside influences becomes seen as a good thing. Because embracing others who aren't exactly like you would be weakening your culture and changing from lessons from them becomes them corrupting you
You know i kind of have to agree with this, it is kind of messed up that Celestia is hording the magical artifacts that belong to other nations (and not protecting them very well at that), and this is coming from someone who hated the episode Daring Doubt.
1) Think you mean the word 'sicced'.
2) These sentences end in fragments
3) Yeah, I can see both ends of this square - hoarding these artifacts and the claiming your monopoly on friendship is due to the possession of is circular logic at best and definitely not buena at worst. That being said, the Idol of Boras was the thing that triggered the civil war that destroyed Griffinstone in the first place, so the impact of some of these artifacts is... a bit overstated by the others, I might say.
That being said, very few know how to evoke the feels like you. So even if I disagree with your interpretations (Chrysalis use a Talisman of Mirage? That implies of stage of grief about losing her throne she shows negative hints of accepting throughout the whole series), I think you for a fantastic FIMFic nonetheless.
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Ah ok, so the Spanish stealing Native American gold and artifacts and shoving their children into missionary schools where they were forced to unlearn all of their customs and teachings wasn't attempted Cultural Genocide, it was merely culture sharing.
And the Natives who protested this? Psht, they were just being Xenophobic.
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Chrysalis using the Talisman is what Pharynx thought she was gonna do, not what she was actually gonna do.
You know Pharynx is lol. Paranoid as hell.
Yeah, those are some good points/questions. Also would like to add in the fact that Sunbutt and MoonShine also seen to hoard a crap-ton of knowledge, as seen in the archives, that are SOoO well guarded that no-pony can get in and just yoink some kind time-spell or manual about an ancient powerful relic, which belonged to an mythic evil-... Oh wait...
I wonder is it still there or was it wrecked at the end?
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hey, guess what. The actions taken there where horrible because of what they did to people without all the concern for the culture
the cultural genocide argument has always been a strange one to me. No one seems to realize things like the American South had and to a degree had and has one and it sucks but people are trying to get rid of it. And good riddance when it's gone. It treats a ton of people like crap and used to treat them even worse
...sigh.
Actually, it makes sense that those artifacts would have belonged to Celestia when you consider that she owned the whole planet.
I mean, maybe it's a minority opinion, but I kind of think that whoever controls the sun is running the show.
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She doesn't own the planet. Otherwise the concept of other nations and leaders like Queen Novo, Ember, Thorax, Prince Rutherford and whoever rules the gryphons wouldn't make sense in the slightest NGL.
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I still think that whoever controls the sun is running the show.
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Then there.is no point in the other nations existing. They would all just be Equestrians without leaders of their own.
And that implies that Celestia is a bitch who steals cultural artifacts from her own people and locks them away in a vault to keep the away from the people they are important to.
So she is a racist tyrant bitch to her own non-equine subjects.
Never really thought about this before. It does raise a lot of questions. Even if Celestia wasn't intending on going imperial on other nations, it seems the results are the same.
Sunbutt got some explaining to do.
To be fair the artifacts were a really odd thing to suddenly be used as a device for evil bu cozy. I mean what are the odd right? That Twi just happens to have all of what cozy needs. How convenient.
Interesting story. I like the silliness of it. Can't say one way or another if it makes much sense though. It depends greatly on how Celestia got the relics. If Tia sent out her ninja pirate assassins to steal the items, BAD. If the princess was gifted the items and/or bought them, GOOD. There could be a lot of different ways the things came to be in her care.
There is the problem of who do you give the relic to? It is not an easy sort of question. For example the crown, lets say Tia wants to be give it back to the griffins. Who would it be given to if there is no government? Lets say there are a number of factions, would it be moral to give it to one of those factions? Griffs might see it as Equestia interfering in their country. It could make a number of enemies of the factions the crown wasn't given to, maybe even sparking conflict.
There is also cultural differences to take into account. Lets say she tries to return the Yak relic. The Yaks could see this as a GRAVE insult! How DARE Equestria say YAK relic isn't worth having!! YAKS GO TO WAR!!!! That could be a funny follow up chapter (funny as long as it goes with the silly way MLP does conflict).
Someone had to say it. That's a story I would be interested in reading.
I think 'sicced' is the right way to spell it.
(there's no space, 'cornerstone' is a single word)
I would have minded far less if the episode had gone out of its way to explain a better situation because you're right, it does reflect badly on Celestia.