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A pessimist named Robert Anton and an Optimist named Fujiwara Kaito suddenly find themselves next to each other in the middle of Canterlot's throne room.
Through the magic of friendship, Robert and Fujiwara find out that they hate each other... a lot.
Cancelled: Basically, everyone died.
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This is glorious.
Fascinating. I foresee even more arguments and violence ensuing in the future.
it was confirmed non canon, so... yeah
3170839 My understanding was that it was in a weird state of being canon, but with an implicit understanding amongst the writers that it wouldn't influence any future episodes. That sounds indistinguishable from non-canon, doesn't it? Perhaps it's safer to think of it that way.
Fujiwara-san is going to need some flaws to prevent this from becoming a jerk-versus-nice-guy kind of story, which is how it reads right now. The description ascribes the label of optimist and pessimist to each of these characters, but that's not how they read at all.
The correct term is "themselves" not "their selves", just so you know.
... You know, I think this calls for a drinking game.
Everytime Anton says "Fuck" take a swig.
Anytime Fujiwara says "Fuck" take a swig.
Everytime Celestia is angered or irratated, take 2 swigs.
Add your own rules for more fun!
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Hmm, I guess it could read that way now. Don't worry though, they both have their flaws.
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Thanks, fixed.
"The things that power the trains of Equestria, your highness."
"Is it like the calculus we teach our foals?" she continued. (Unless Cherilee was just doing some recreational calculus in her own time. It's funnier to imagine the kids doing calculus with the same gusto and bravada as us when we were taught long division. Also Twilight does some as well, and unless she invented it...)
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The writers of MLP kind of suck at continuity sometimes. There are trains drawn by ponies along with those steam engines. Originally, My Litlle Pony was not meant to have any modern technology at all.
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Cheerilee and little ponies could use different symbols for algebra.
(Besides, I'm pretty sure that was added as a joke.) And I could accept Twilight inventing calculus. Also, keep in mind that many words may not translate, for example: Celestia does not understand Japanese. Mathematics comes from the Greek word μάθημα (máthēma), which means "that which is learnt" (quick Wikipedia search). Note that names in many languages describe their owner in some language, and that Equestrian could be little ponies' first and most widely used language.
If Celestia for some reason didn't have a word encompassing the various fields of math and separating them from other fields, then she would not instantly jump to a conclusion about the subject that Fujiwara was talking about based on a word she had never heard before.
Further, calculus was invented in the 1670's by Newton and Leibniz, though there were many precursors to it. And most of Equestria's more advanced technology could be explained by magic; they wouldn't need to know anything about transistors if they had crystals that could do complex tasks, like the crystal heart.
Ponies wouldn't have anything to learn from humans if they had the same knowledge and technology, and that would take a lot of steam out of any story about them. I'm not going to deal with some Mary Sue Topia bullshit!
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Did anyone else laugh their ass off when they tried to repeat what he said? I did
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By this reasoning, Earth of late nineteenth century was some Mary Sue Topia ...bullshit. Equestria, as depicted in the show, is like a magic Victorian sort of place, with lots of mystery and darkness that contrasts with particular bright light of pony civilization. And possibly the civilizations of other sapient beings, but the equine tribes are in the spotlight for the show, naturally. Greco-Roman influence is predominately heavy, possibly to unify the world a bit -- correcting a problem the first generation had. If you don't find any of that interesting to write in, well, gods help you.
I'm curious what you mean by "Mary Sue Topia", anyway. Equestria has giant, flying fire-breathing dragons in it. Also multi-headed hydras the size of buildings. When one of our world leaders flip their shit, their careers usually take a downturn. When one of their world leaders threw a tantrum, she almost turned the world into a dark ball of ice. Problems, serious problems there don't patiently wait to be solved while getting worse and worse, they break down the door, roar, set your house on fire and kidnap your children. Furthermore, I'm not sure that a setting itself can be "Mary Sue". I don't think it works like that, but I'm willing to hear you out if you have some ideas about that, which you presumably do.
I understand that you want one of your protagonists to have something to teach the princess, but your choice has some flaws, judging by how, ultimately, you're taking it as a right and proper conceit. Fan fiction, particularly ones on a running source, tend to have a few, and that's okay. Sometimes the entire plot is an exceptional conceit, like, "What if Pinky Pie is actually an ALIEN FROM ANOTHER DIMENSION?" Perfectly intriguing, but you have to be wear them like a pin on the lapel of the story. There's no need to be defensive or aggressive about them. "Because it will make for an interesting story" is a just response. And a mature one, might I add.
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Okay, I'll stop with the exaggerated emotions for now.
First off, what I mean by Mary Sue Topia is a utopia in a story where any flaws intrinsic to it are ignored, and the only reason people suffer within it would be because they go against the established cultures or laws. And when I say “Equestria”, I mean the civilization Celestia rules over.
The reason having technology as well as magic (nineteenth century earth didn't have magic, at least not unicorn magic, and it definitely had its flaws) would make Equestria a Mary Sue Topia is because it wouldn't really have a way to become better. Equestria in the show might actually fit the definition of a Mary Sue Topia, since everything under Celestia's rule seems to be perfect. (That is, if you ignore the probability of Ponyville or some other city getting slaughtered before the main six existed or if they hadn't been extremely lucky, or that Trixie became homeless after some hecklers and two retards humiliated her and destroyed her home, which the show doesn't draw attention to. Otherwise there's no poverty and very good security against all the possible catastrophes we've seen.)
I might add something in the description to hint at Equestria's level of technology here.
3181148 I'm not sold on Equestria as a Mary Sue Topia. For one thing, the trope is more in terms of an imagined society based around some principle or ideology. Equestria doesn't have that going for it. A high standard of living due to the fact that the population has super-powers, well, that's not making much of a statement. Earth ponies have a connection with the natural world that means that food scarcity is easily averted, and pegasi can control the weather by directly physically manipulating it. To label the situation with "mary sue" seriously stretches the term to the point of rendering it meaningless.
Granted, I can see how the trope comes to mind. Equestria seems like a nice place to live, if you like horses. Everyone is free to be happy and pursue their interests, and the natives naturally get marks on their butts that gives them full social license to pursue those interests -- we humans don't get that.. naturally. There isn't that much prejudice -- except initially with everyone's favourite zebra apothecary, and historically there was a lot. The big threats are usually external, like super-powerful jerks and massive monsters. The threats do tend to come from the outside, like is common with the trope. However, the conflicts in the show tend to be between the characters, and stem from their behaviours and personalities. Friendship is magic, the show tells its viewers, and all forms of magic take a lot of hard work.
Excessive troping leads to seeing everything in fiction as elements in an RPG, I've noticed. Everything has to be balanced for the players, and the players are the characters. That's kind of silly. Because the ponies of the show are different from us doesn't make them poorly written, it makes them interesting. That was one of the failings of the second generation, by the way. Also, remember that tropes are not bad; they are elements to be used, many exist for very good reason, but an excessive over-reliance on them is a symptom of poor writing or a lack of imagination.
Anyway, that's beside the point: you want something that the ponies don't have and humans indisputably do? And something that Fujiwara can talk about, right there? How about that Star Trek tricorder he built? It would be, presumably, right there in his hands when he fell through the wall. Electronic circuitry would be quite interesting to an intelligent, analytical person that had never encountered it before. Presumably there's a really interesting one right there, from somebody that made it.
A very quite large bear destroyed her home and nothing else. It was dumb luck that a pair of children happened to even find one. I know what you mean about the heckling, though. She was sort of inviting it, though: her act had no structure and was mostly talk... which was inviting heckling, particularly those that knew, say, Twilight Sparkle, personal student of the princess, and resident of Ponyville. Furthermore, if she pulled this act in a much larger town, she's risking the possibility that a much more experienced and older unicorn (or other spell-shaping creature of similar capabilities) will be in ear shot of her act. She's literally inviting humiliation, and she got it. That's too bad, she does have some neat performance magic: the fireworks and the illusions are pretty awesome, and the crowd reacted very well to those. Her cutie mark is a star-shaped wand creating a streak of light, which I think implies a lot about what her talents relate to. But we both digress...
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I'm not completely sold on it either, I was just giving it as an example. Also, I don;t remember anything in canon that proved earth ponies had a special connection with the earth. The only real superpower they had that could help their society would be health/purification/etc. spells from the unicorns, and the pegasus' ability to control the weather. Humans would likely be able to have the benefits of both if they cooperated as much as these ponies do... That's one thing about the ponies that's strange, they seem to have an almost disturbing amount of order.
Though, sometimes it seems a bit forced. Consider "Mare-do-well": the rest of mane 6 teamed up to publicly shame their friend for what was probably months, and at the end, Rainbow Dash treats it like no big deal and writes a friendship report on modesty.
I'm not sure where this came from, but I agree with you on almost all points. However, it is sometimes necessary to balance sides to make sure one does not have a complete advantage, because that wouldn't be fun at all.
A Star Trek tricoder built off of fringe science and a few recommendations from his friends versus all of mans technology and science? One of these leads to a lot more conversation than the other. Though I do agree that presenting the device could be interesting.
She did invite the heckling, in fact, she specifically asked for twilight sparkle to come up on stage and show her her magic. If Twilight did come up, it could have been humiliating for her, but she wouldn't have had her house destroyed. She was inviting humiliation, not destruction of property. Competitions are pretty good ways to improve your skills. Lastly, the fact that she was not reimbursed for her property is why Ponyville did wrong, not the fact that it was destroyed in what could have been an accident.
Anyway, I'm now setting this story before the start of MLP:FIM, since that clears up any possible contradictions, has the possibility of involving the characters with stories in the show, and makes it easier to avoid being non-canon.
Yes, I am happy.
Cause this updated.
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Not directly, although the play in Hearth's Warming Eve hinted strongly at it. "That only the Earth Ponies could provide..." Too bad we can't read the show's bible. A lot of this stuff is actually specifically defined therein. The show's main producer did say that she had conceptualized the Earth ponies as having such abilities, though, if you want to start getting into second-tier stuff like that. Personally, I like it, and it's useful.
Also, throw 'em a bone here. We can't have them as the useless ones. I remember reading really early 4th gen fanfic where bronies had the fannon that they were just... clever and innovative. Because of how useless they were. It's like those awful cartoons from the nineties where every character had these strengths, and then there was the kid in the wheelchair. His thing was that it didn't hold him back... that much.
They could have made him a gifted tactician, or... ANYTHING. But instead, these characters are about what's wrong with them, which is goes against the original intention of putting the character in there to begin with! When inclusion goes wrong: news at nine.
Sorry, went all Tumblr there.
Do we have to?
There's two episodes of this show I simply do not like, and The Mysterious Mare-Do-Well is number two. Artistically it was great, but it also had a lot of in-congruent elements that were there just to support this specific actually quite ludicrous plot. Your recap also reads a meaningful critique. Every time I find myself watching it, there's some new thing in it that I hadn't noticed before that bothers me. What really kills is the lost Aesop.
In case you were wondering, I actually dislike Feeling Pinkie Keen even more. A malformed moral is better than a malevolent one. As a friend pointed out, they even have some of the same categorical problems, too.
I know what you mean. There's a genre on FIMF growing in popularity about futuristic humans in conflict with the ponies, and those fics tend to de-power the poor quadrupedal people into the point where it's just Twilight and the Princesses (band name!) versus one hundred thousand space marines or whatever, depending on the obsessions of the author or what they played last. One of the main themes of those stories are supposed to be "fuck yeah humanity" but it ends up more like a perspective-flipped War of the Worlds with the exception of the ending.
...Oooh. That's a fic right there.
That's a clever idea! Kinda gives me an idea for a one shot in which a human ends up in the Canterlot Royal Palace and comes upon Celestia, who calmly gives them directions back to the mirror portal to the human world. The punchline is that it happens all the time. The best part is that it works regardless of how you feel about Equestria Girls.
Two fic ideas I won't use and one band name I won't use in one comment. Not bad!
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I'll try to update it every Sunday.
My school and work doesn't allow for more. But I am trying to stay a bit more organized so I'm more dependable and less stressed.
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It looked like the Unicorns were on a giant hill/mountain and the Pegasi were strictly living in cloud cities. It said that the Earth Ponies had to distribute their food to the other two tribes evenly which means they had to be between the Pegasi and the Unicorns to distribute it in an even amount of time.
I feel that I can safely say that the Earth Ponies probably lived in a fertile valley between the Pegasi and the Unicorns. 'Thus they were the only ones who could mass farm crops.
3212775 That's an interpretation that would be defensible if all one had to go on was that episode and nothing else. Logically, from that, Earth Ponies would be literally inferior to the others races. A Google search starting with "earth ponies" has some interesting auto-completes that indicate that a lot of people actively back that or understand it that way. That does, however, seem to go against the intentions of the creators as well as the mainstream.
I hate quoting Faust, but I think that sometimes it does have merit in certain situations, this being one of them.
I, uh, accidentally looked at your profile and I happened to notice some of the groups that you're in. I think you might appreciate that Lauren Faust is a misanthropist that obviously hates humanity.
I kid, I kid.
I think that this concept of the Earth Ponies is far more interesting than a scaled-down talking horse. And there's always something to be said for subtly and practical magic. Then again, maybe I'm biased. I love the Earth Ponies.
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Actually, if you consider that Pinkie grew up of a rock farm, then that might do more than imply that earth ponies had a connection with the earth. Otherwise I see no practical way for earth ponies to farm rocks other than mining. It doesn't really prove earth pony powers, but it does hint at them a bit, since they seem to be farming in someplace that seems to unable to grow any plants.
3213587 I think it's funny that rock farming is so alien to us that even though it makes sense in within the show, most (older) fans cannot accept it. Personally, I think rock farming is awesome. Were I of the hoof, I'd totally have myself a rock garden. Zen meets the county fair kinda thing going on there.
We're also overlooking Aaaaaaaapplelooosa. That orchard ought to be impossible, especially for only having a year. "It was the only flat land around here," Braeburn said. (MAI HUSBANDO)
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If Earth Ponies didn´t have any magic at all, they wouldn´t get Cutie Marks either.
...Did...did he Shift the Tectonic Plates!?
Well...Shit just got real...Interesting way to discover how humanity reacts around magic.
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I don't think so, I can't even imagine the amount of power that would take, but it could have happened... Honestly I was thinking of something similar to Twilight's power surge when she was a filly, but with slight differences since humans would be new to magic.
3435335 THE POWER OF MAGNETS
Hmn...what's that line at the bottom supposed to be about?
That letter reply was epic!
You have earned my respect, my wonderful worthy wordsmith.
Peace,
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You're really overdoing it with all these links. Every two or three sentences the reader gets yanked out of the story to see a picture of an alley or Celestia frowning or something. It really kills the flow of the story.
That said the "look of disgust and confusion" was pretty funny. That one can stay.
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Yeah, I have to agree there...
I guess I just got overly excited.