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And we are off! The third of a trilogy is always the best, right?
Surely you didn't think that I would leave Twilight hanging? This is her turn to sparkle... or glimmer... Shimmer maybe?
As usual, expect there to be plenty of consensual fun as Twilight, Starlight, and somepony else learn a new type of friendship.
Thank you...
Huh...
Well, depending on how things go in this, this might end up being the first story in THIS series I end up faving...
Will there be spanking in this story?
8161387 I feel like you should still give it a chance.
I mean, before CotLM, I read AND enjoyed quite a few fics that focused on Diamond Tiara, and I hated her then.
8161402 That is planned for, I believe.
8161423 ...I'd say something about that, but at the same time I don't want to.
8161431 join the club here is your membership card
8161466 hey me too moment i saw her i was like "KILL IT WITH ALL THE FIRE"
Yeah ... I knew we had to address Twilight's transgression. Not even the talking-to she got from Thunderlane was quite good enough. I can't even imagine making that kind of mistake; I might feel too guilty to look Fluttershy in the eye again. That being said, I thought before they even began that she was too inexperienced to do a scene with a gag; Cadance made a good call there.
Now, Glimmer as her 'training pet' ... that's an interesting choice. She has a pretty serious complex over control as it relates to her; she's obviously the sort of person, in most of her life, who takes charge. However, she's afraid of how she might hurt somepony if she gets carried away with her power ... oh. A lot like what Twilight's trying to rectify in this fic, eh? That might make her perfect to help Twilight learn these lessons.
Starlight, you've never really been outmatched or dominated in your life; being in a submissive role will be totally new for you. Nervous?
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She did make a really great villain, that's true. If you asked me in the first half of S6, I would've agreed. But now I think how well she worked as a villain is why she's compelling as a struggling hero-to-be; she was just so damn terrifying and effective at doing horrible things, she finds it hard to believe she isn't somehow predisposed toward being evil. Imagine trying to be a good person when you're having so much trouble understanding the distinction between 'right' and 'wrong', leading you to suspect there's something broken inside you and all the effort is pointless. It does make her harder to understand as a character when her moral compass is so skewed, but it also makes her more interesting (I think) because the path to redemption is uniquely challenging for her.
8161387 Absolutely not a problem. I can understand not wanting to read about a character you don't like.
8161403 No need to push them. If they don't like her I am happy that they state as much and don't vote the story down as a matter of course.
'Don't be a fool! What have you heard, and why did you listen?' Cadance's eyes flashed and her brows stuck out like bristles.
'Princess Twilight, ma'am!' cried Starlight quaking. 'Don't let her hurt me, ma'am! Don't let her turn me into anything unnatural!'
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That is true; everypony else's reaction to her is uncharacteristically good. I will totally concede to that. Like, Trixie still gets under Twilight's skin, but Starlight doesn't? I cannot figure out how that makes any sense, even taking everything I know about Twilight into account. The worst part was not getting to see her village's process to forgiving her. Just a bit of a montage and then they hug her and apparently everybody's fine. The closest we come to hesitation on their part are the moments after Starlight would slip up and use magic to control somepony. That little moment with Big Mac, and then of course the mass-brainwashing. They were pretty mad at her about that, at least.
Damn, so much hate on Glim-Glam 'round here. And I swear to gods, half the folks that bitch about her would be complaining that the show is stale and never changes if she wasn't added. Whatevs. This story looks like fun.
So, why is this put into the "TwiGlimmer As A Side Ship" folder when this is an actual TwiGlimmer fanfic?
8164571 I thought I got the groupings right. There will be a 3rd character forming a little poly group. I figured since the TwiGlimmer stuff will be about 1/3 of the action, it was a side thing?
8162532 Yeah, but I doubt that anyone want another Tantabus incident, and Starlight Glimmer IS powerful enough to do that. I think that Twilight has learned a bit from Luna's mistakes.
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Well as far as the town knows she never did anything. Only Twilight experienced the time travel.
I just get annoyed by how she's better at magic than Twilight ever was with seemingly no training at all.
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Sure they know she did something. She lied to them about being markless, convinced them to give up their marks, and then intimidated them into remaining markless when they regretted that decision. A cult leader is culpable for what they do to their members.
And, yes, the magic thing is a problem. Not just being as good as Twilight; Starlight Glimmer's talent is also magic, it's not inconceivable that she's about as strong as unicorn Twilight, and Twi hasn't been an alicorn for long, meaning one could suppose that alicorn power has to be matured into. And as to 'training', she said she studied her Equality spell for years. I imagine studying magic for years makes her at least as much an academic as Twilight, and she's pretty clearly older than her, so perhaps she's even more experienced.
The problem to me is that she was as powerful as that before her redemption, back when she hadn't had any friends since she was a little kid. If you remember back in early season 1, Twilight's magical ability rapidly got better right around the time she made her friends, like having those relationships is what made her so strong. But now with Starlight's lonely, vengeful self being just as powerful, that throws a wrench into how we thought magic worked.
8172963 Discord threw the wrench in first. Do Not forget Sombra and Triek either. Magic is just power, and in world such as theirs, it seems that hard work WILL eventually grant greater power. In the first Episode she was introduced, Starlight was nowhere near as powerful. But do not forget, she popped up spying on the ponies from time to time, and admitted to preparing to ruining their friendship. The preparations probably involved a LOT of training, enough to increase her power to Twilight's level, or higher. I think it ultimately came down to the fact that Twilight became complacent, and Starlight did not.
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I suppose that's a decent point, certainly possible. Their power level was never entirely depended on the quality of their relationships, training was always a factor. It feels a little hollow to think that one can overcome the loss of magic gained through friendship simply by training harder, but then again, Starlight alone could never have the kind of group magic that the Mane 6 can wield, so I could say that is the magical level that cannot be accessed by those without friendship.
Though in the case of the major villains, I assumed they followed different magical rules. Tirek stole his power, somewhat similar to Chrysalis. Discord comes from a dimension of constant entropy which means he certainly follows different rules or has a different form of magic; he's inherently a wild card.
And as for Sombra ... well, my justification there isn't so much a well-cited, plausible theory as it is a headcanon, but I imagine that what makes him so powerful his use of yet another magic type, possibly pure dark magic (It must exist because Twilight called the Inspiration book 'dark magic'). I think Sombra's power must be that, because it looks so different, even changes the aura/eye colour of the otherwise normal-looking ponies who use it. Possibly, those changes in appearance are more extreme and permanent if a pony uses it too much, which explains why Sombra was only called a 'unicorn', not any kind of monster, but he was almost as tall as Celestia, his mane moved on its own, and his horn was a sabre (I know the comics, but B canon only counts for B canon). We don't know a lot about his personality, but having enslaved a people and built so many layers of protection around his palace, that means he must have no regard for other's suffering and be deeply distrustful and pessimistic. He doesn't score high on the Elements, is what I'm saying, which ought to make him less powerful ... unless he's using dark magic instead, and why would dark magic need friendship to work? It probably works better the more friendless and evil he is. How do I figure that? Well, let's go back to Inspiration Manifestation: the creation magic was incredibly powerful, hard even for three alicorns working in tandem to break, which suggests that dark magic can be stronger than the normal kind, and explains why Sombra was strong enough to curse an entire empire out of existence. But what broke that power was an act of friendship, specifically one of honesty, which suggests that dark thrives on the absence of the Elements.
Like I said, really more of a headcanon, but that's how I make sense of it.
8176144 There is one thing you are forgetting. Twilight herself would admit that there is much they do not understand about magic. Look at our history with science. Until the voyage of Columbus, everyone believed the world was flat. Who is to say that the common belief of magic is always harmony?
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Oh, I didn't say all magic was always harmony, though I'd understand if you didn't read my whole text wall. Specifically I suggested that maybe dark magic runs on disharmony instead. If what you mean, though, is that ordinary magic that we see ponies using day-to-day might not always be strengthened by friendship ... anything is possible, but that's real stretch. The whole ethos of the show is 'friendship is magic'. And in a lot of cases or even all cases we could name, friendship was the driving force behind all the powerful magic that saved the day (romantic love in the case of Shining and Cadance, but that's basically just extremely good friendship). To say that friendship might not be what makes magic strong? When did Twilight or anypony else imply that magic had so many unknown depths that ponykind could have gotten that basic of a detail wrong?
8176231 You are also forgetting natural magic. Thinks like timberwolves and the ursa's. Also, I think discord has the command of disharmony magic. My view is that there are different magic types, with different strengths and weaknesses. Emotions would play a powerful role though.
Harmony: powerful with many united hearts, but far weaker without them. The elements of harmony are a great example. Almost useless alone, stupid levels of overpowered when united. The most well known, but least understood.
Chaos/Disharmony: Powerful all the time, but completely unpredictable. Users tend to go mad. Discord should be the poster boy.
Dark: Destructive emotions. Arrogance, hatred, greed. Things that can break you. Powerful, but difficult to control without it controlling you, and leading you down a destructive path. Can be controlled though, as both Celestia and Twilight have done in proper Canon. Sombra and Nightmare Moon are uncontrolled, and Celestia/Twilight using it are controlled.
Wild: The natural magic of beasts and plants. By far the most versatile, but least usable. Everything from a timber wolfs regeneration to Parasprite Reproduction, and even the variety in effect of poison joke. Using it takes a great deal of understanding, but yields more options than any other kind when/if mastered.
Disciplined: Magic gained from training and effort. It is raw, but very usable. The hard work needed to obtain it guarantees the user mastery over it, as if it were an extension of themselves. This is what I was referring to, In that with complacency it deteriorates, but diligence makes it stronger. This is what Starlight used against Twilight, and gained a great advantage due to the mastery it naturally provides. It is the least well known, but most understood form.
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Hmm. That makes a lot of sense. If we have light, dark, and chaos, I suppose there's an 'order' magic as well, that being 'disciplined'. And if that's what you were driving for, that totally works for Starlight! Her whole problem could be described as an excessive need for order and control over others. It would make sense if the Equality spell had to be created within the order school, and also make sense that she began studying the order school rather than the customary light school in the first place. And order, of course, doesn't depend on friendship, which explains how she was powerful while alone.
It still seems to me that light magic, aka the magic of friendship, must be the most commonly used form and must have the most effect on ponykind, but why is that? Are they just naturally more disposed toward it because they're a friendly people? Does it biologically agree with them more, as chaos magic does for Discord? Or is this strong leaning toward light magic a holdover from the formation of their country, when light magic drove off the dark magic of the Windigoes?
Oh ... ponyfeathers ... you just expanded my headcanon and I need to go update my fimfics!
8176282 Then you have emotional magics. Changelings, sirens, windigo...
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Ones that directly feed on the emotions of others, sapping them as other schools don't. It's not the same as magic that depends on the caster's own feelings or relationships, those being our run-of-the-mill light and dark. What those creatures use could almost be called voyeuristic, gaining power from relationships that they aren't even a part of, or in the case of changelings not genuinely a part of.
Is that ... the vampric school?
EDIT: No, I've got it! Been working on this idea for a while, but it needed a little updating. Here's how I explain them:
I submit that those creatures need to use a particular sort of magic for nourishment and magical strength (Changelings need light magic, Sirens and Windigoes need dark), but lack the capacity to use it on their own. Why do they lack it? It's not because they don't have friendship or negative emotions themselves, no. It's because there’s an invisible ‘second phase’ in ponies when they use magic.
Step 1: ‘feeling love’
Step 2: ‘creating love energy’
Step 3: ‘using the energy to fuel their magic’
It's like magical digestion. And that second phase happens so quickly that it’s barely noticeable. But those creatures don’t have that second phase. They are not biologically able to create that energy, and so have to drain that energy from those whose bodies can perform that process. They even use phrases like 'love energy' and 'negative energy' in the show. They're not feeding on magic exactly, they're feeding on what the magic runs on.
Think of it like how an animal can't just absorb things from the sun and soil and create nutrients inside their bodies to nourish themselves. Only plants can photosynthesize like that. So to get nutrients, animals have to eat the plants or eat the animals who ate the plants.
8176282 You had discipline magic half right. In addition to order, it also encompasses trained discipline and mastery. It is easier to use a skill you mastered than one you simply learned. Granted, without chaos for flexibility, it is wholly predictable. In the case of friendship and harmony, you cannot push it hard, or it may break. With Discipline magic, you can push it all you want, as it is designed for that kind of strain.
Dammit, I could boil eggs using this story.
Well, I hate to say it, but I have to stop tracking this fic here.
It's not that it's badly written, far from it.
Rather, various points in the chapter just made me feel more and more uncomfortable, and the following paragraph is where I gave up on trying to get through it completely:
Usually, I can at least finish reading a story that makes me uncomfortable, even if I won't fave or upvote it in the end, but something about this chapter, and especially that paragraph, just pushed me over the edge.
It might just be that Starlight is my favorite pony, so seeing her be treated this way, even though she likes it in story, just doesn't sit right with me. Which is the opposite of what I thought would happen.
The fact that I personally feel Starlight would be a dom might also have something to do with it, but I don't know why that would cause me to stop here and not in one of the previous chapters.
But whatever the reason, as I said, this is where I stop.
Good luck to you and the commissioner on the rest of it.
Process Sunburst.exe has stopped working.
Ah bridles...is there anypony you can't ship with a nice bridle?
>more Sunburst
Yes please.
If Starlight's this worked up, I can only imagine how poor Sunburst is feeling!
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What's shibari?
8502397 Shibari is the art of using rope (and knots) to bind someone up.
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Shibari is the Japanese style of rope bondage, usually covering most of the body. For a couple, the long process it takes to complete the bondage can be seen as spiritual as more rope is used to bind the body.
great chapter. I cant wait for more
Oh boy, I can see where this is going. Especially with that Derpibooru image.
8591392 Next chapter is written, and will be published Wednesday afternoon/evening (US time).
Great job my friend. I can’t wait for more