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Just after the changeling invasion, there's something Fluttershy needs to tell Twilight... and Twilight has a lot of questions that need answers.

Including questions she doesn't realize. Like what it means to be a friend. And Rainbow Dash has her own answer to that one.

Inspired by GaPJaxie's story, among others.

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This is a new take on 'Would It Matter If I Was?' It's a good take though :pinkiehappy:

I personally do believe Fluttershy is changeling so this is just great fanfic about what I believe!:scootangel::yay:

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I've read a couple of good fics (well, there is at least one I distinctly remember) that cast Fluttershy as a changeling.
She makes the best mane 6 changeling, and not simply for 'her kindness' (her need to be loved).

Until proven otherwise, headcanon states that Fluttershy is a changeling :moustache::scootangel:

In this fic, I'm also very glad that Rainbow is cool with her oldest friend being a changeling.

Me luv this

No words, no long explanation, just...

Yes.

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oh heavens not another one

Again, I'm, vaastly more inclined to side with this interpretation that the original.

Cosmically, in a friendship sense, no, it does not matter what species (etc) your friends are.

But the timing of the incident in question means that it is NOT just a friendship acceptance sense. More is at stake than just whether or not people accept a revelation.

It's in a "ponies lives may be in danger" and "security of the nation" sense - especially, as this story points out, if the ponies know NOTHING about Changelings aside from what was in A Canterlot Wedding. (In canon, in fact, we still don't; the only indication was the shot of a lone drone in Slice of Life, which still tells us very little.) Heck, FLUTTERSHY's life might be at stake, in an absense of other information.

When this sort of thing is at stake, when dealing with an unknown species or something with unknown capabiities - doubly so even it involves spacehsifitng an impersonation and mind-control - it's no longer strictly just an allegory for racism or coming out or whatever; it's bigger than internal species social issues. This doesn't mean you overreact or something - but in this sort of situation, you do have to start asking questions, starting with the ones that involve people's safety. Because there is PRECIOUS little in the universe more dangerous than ignorance or worse, mis- or incomplete information.

Completely offtopic, but the cover image made me think of this:
i.imgur.com/IJEIsld.jpg

On-topic: Shouldn't this have the Changeling tag?

On first view I really didn't think there needed to be yet another of these bloody things, but this is really well done so bravo for doing such a good job to win me over.

6479000 Thanks for giving the story a chance, and I'm glad you ended up liking it!

6477348 6477574 Yes, I've seen Fluttershy-as-changeling done really well a number of times before this rush of popular stories. She probably fits it the best of the Mane Six: mysterious backstory, no known family, stare of mental magic, reaches out for everypony's love... I wouldn't say my default view of her is a changeling, but let's put it this way: If she ends up a changeling on the show, I wouldn't say they've ruined anything at all.

6478982 I got the cover image from /r/MyLittlePony, and I wouldn't be surprised if the meme did the same thing...
And no changeling tag because it's not just any anonymous changeling. It's Fluttershy.

Oh my god, another one? Is this going to have to be made into a group? And when is someone going to do the scene when the Princesses are told? Or even a full story? This one-shot crap is getting old.

Also, just because it irks me that it wasn't approved and is thus hard to find, Yes, It Matters.
Seriously can't believe Eru linked their story on RC's comment section, but didn't have the courtesy to return the favor in their author note or something. What is this world coming to?

Okay. I was following along until the Elements of Harmony test. I don't understand why when Twilight told Applejack they were friends, Rainbow Dash got all in Twilight's face?

6479533 Rainbow Dash was reacting to Twilight's "You're not the problem," pointing out that Twilight herself wasn't acting like a friend earlier.

6479473 I did link Reality Check's story in the description, the "and others." But, you've got a good point that it should be clearer. I just added a link to the Author's Notes.

And... hey, there should be a group! Something like "Fluttershy Reveals She's A Changeling"?

wlam #13 · Oct 1st, 2015 · · 6 ·

I think the worst part about all those copycat stories is that none of them have the slightest bit of subtlety. They're all sledgehammers of propaganda and soapboxing one way or another. You're not telling a story, you're not inspiring thought, you're just making a statement - and nobody really cares about it or wants to hear it all that much.

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Also, just because it irks me that it wasn't approved and is thus hard to find

Trust me, there's nobody else it irks, because we all already know what it would have been about and really can do without. If there's one guy who probably has a shrine to McCarthy in his bedroom, it's that one.

6479919 I hope I'm telling a story, at least at the end. And it seems to me the stories in the hypothetical "Fluttershy Confesses To Being A Changeling Group" are inspiring thought at least in dialogue with each other. Otherwise - if being original is better in and of itself - why are we writing fanfiction at all?

wlam #15 · Oct 1st, 2015 · · 7 ·

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I'm absolutely not here to hear moral sermons to the effect that you really shouldn't color a whole group with the same brush for the actions of a few. I'm not an idiot child and I don't need to be either taught or have any debate about that anymore, because I already know. Neither do I need or want to read the spiteful, hate-infused rantings of any bigots who very much do think you should color everyone with the same brush, because the only person they care about is them or anyone exactly like them, and the rest of the world can go to hell for all they care.

I'm here for entertainment, not debate or politics, and under the bottom line, both kinds of fic that end up being more statement than story fail at doing what they were really supposed to be there for, no matter how inspired the author might have happened to feel by the topic.

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Yes, that guy is a real piece of work, and the first few paragraphs of that fic were blatent insults to GaP, but the ending was cool and I was interested to see what would happen with Flutterling after that... as is the case of this one as well. Seriously, someone get on that.
I'd write it myself, but it would kind of defeat the motive behind the act.

wlam #17 · Oct 1st, 2015 · · 4 ·

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Now there is something that would make it an actual inspired follow-up worth reading, but when all a fic is really there for is to get your message out, I guess that kind of thing falls by the wayside a bit.

6479962 Yes, I have to agree with that. A story should be a story, first and foremost, even if it's telling a message. And perhaps, especially if it's trying to tell a message too - Uncle Tom's Cabin succeeded so amazingly because it was such a good story.

This's probably the most message-central piece I've written in the last five years. I was trying to make it more story-focused than GaPJaxie's original, and I hope you weren't too disappointed in it, at least.

wlam #19 · Oct 1st, 2015 · · 1 ·

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I don't see any fault with it in technical terms, but as a work that really can stand on its own, it's kind of too insubstantial. I won't say it's bad, but I couldn't really recommend it to anyone as worth reading on its own terms, either. Sorry to have to put it like that, but I'm afraid that's really the only way I can say it.

6479987 6479998 That'd definitely be a followup, yes... Unfortunately, I don't have any inspiration in that direction at the moment. If you want to make the effort, though, take a look at Jordan179's extensive and fragmentary fanon chronology, where Fluttershy is a half-Changeling who was thrown out by her insane pegasus mother's kin. Unfortunately, it's mostly sitting in blog posts at the moment.

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:rainbowlaugh: It's funny you bring that one up, because I talked to jordan179 just a while ago about how confusing and impossible to follow I find his stories, exactly because of how involved and voluminous everyone's backstories are. It all looks interesting enough, but I'm not sure I'll ever get through that.

I think I like this one better. Corrections offered without malice.

murdering ever foal

every

cuttled

cuddled

as if she was drinking in Rainbow's love.

as if she were. Subjunctive mood. I'll forgive Fluttershy not using it, but Twilight thinking?

wouldn't matter if she was a changeling,"

if she were

Yes, if it'd help any other changelings."

No. "Would you mind?" And she wants to help? No, she would not mind.

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I think the worst part about all those copycat stories is that none of them have the slightest bit of subtlety.

But neither did the original, to be fair.

wlam #24 · Oct 1st, 2015 · · 3 ·

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Maybe, but at least it did so on its own terms, not as an imitation.

We're going to need an entire group just for the stories "inspired by" GaPJaxie's (and Reality Check's) stories.

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Both misspellings fixed; thanks. Also changed "Do you mind" to "Would you."

Says Wikipedia, "The subjunctive mood is also used for statements that are contrary to fact." That's what I was going for there - Twilight isn't using the subjunctive in the narration because she's almost convinced it isn't contrary to fact. Still, she might not say it aloud, so I restored the subjunctive in her quote. Or am I misunderstanding things?

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Counterfactual clauses don't need to be contrary to fact. The hypothetical is one such and still possible when a thing is true. It would be odd for "if Eruantalon were a changeling, then I would be curious" to be ungrammatical depending on whether it were true or not. Consider this from said wikipedia article on English subjunctive:

The past subjunctive form may be used similarly to express counterfactual conditions after suppose, as if, as though,
(...)
She looks as though she were going to kill him.

As with Twilight's guess about love-feeding, it is an inference that she does not know to be true, but has a pretty good expectation of the inference: "as if".

I could be wrong; grammar is not my primary field of study. But if I were, I would be surprised. :twilightsmile:

Another good quality this has over the original is mention of how it can matter in good ways.

I don't understand that ending. Wasn't the Elements of Harmony test supposed to prove whether that Fluttershy was the real Fluttershy they knew? Since they didn't work, then that would mean that that changeling wasn't the real Fluttershy.

... and nothing happened. The Element around Twilight's neck didn't even flash.

On top of that, even if she wasn't the real Fluttershy, all of the other elements would at least spark while hers wouldn't. Unless we're trying to think Twilight was the one not real?

so the elements do not like to be tested.

Oh and the real test was to see if fluttershy would even come, because a fake would skip town on something that would expose them.

I reviewed this story!

My review can be found here.

6481301 That's what Twilight was meaning for it to prove. The problem is that the Elements don't only depend on their Bearers being themselves, but on their actually acting like friends. (Which is why Rarity guesses that Twilight's testing whether "A Canterlot Wedding" ruined their friendship. That'd actually be a great guess in some other fic.) At least, that's how I take the Elements. 6481648 , they don't have anything against being tested; they have a lot against being used when one of their Bearers is angry at another one.

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That's what Twilight was meaning for it to prove. The problem is that the Elements don't only depend on their Bearers being themselves, but on their actually acting like friends. (Which is why Rarity guesses that Twilight's testing whether "A Canterlot Wedding" ruined their friendship. That'd actually be a great guess in some other fic.) At least, that's how I take the Elements.

I think I see what you mean, but sadly that's an impossible take. In the season 2 pilot, the Discord episode, the elements were able to spark, despite everypony being discorded.

Even Twilight does something that sounds quite harsh just before trying it. With how mad she is at her friends, she decides to replace Rainbow Dash with Spike and have him replace the element of Loyalty. Despite that act, all of their elements had sparked, except for Loyalty.

i.imgur.com/DaVsemX.png

i.imgur.com/1dy37jm.png

Basically, even if their friendship is damaged, their elements will still spark. Even Discord looked surprised at how close they were to activating them.

To me it almost looks like it would've worked if they had Rainbow Dash with them, even while discorded. Course, there's no proof of that, plus, it probably would've ended with discorded Rainbow Dash refusing to activate hers.

6482693 Hmm... Thanks. Oh, well. I guess my scene might still work if I had the spell start but fail midway through since Twilight isn't being a friend? Just like the spell failed in Return of Harmony?

(And I wonder, was the bigger problem then that Loyalty had a substitute bearer; or that Honesty, Kindness, Generosity, and Laughter were discorded? (And, as you point out, that Magic is angry at everyone else?) You could argue for either, but given how loyal Spike is, I'd guess the latter.)

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(And I wonder, was the bigger problem then that Loyalty had a substitute bearer; or that Honesty, Kindness, Generosity, and Laughter were discorded? (And, as you point out, that Magic is angry at everyone else?) You could argue for either, but given how loyal Spike is, I'd guess the latter.)

Spike's loyalty doesn't matter. You can see in that scene that the Loyalty element didn't do a thing at all, while the others did. If Honesty, Kindness, Generosity, and Laughter were the problem, or even Magic, it wouldn't explain why their's sparked and Loyalty didn't.

I don't understand why people wonder why the Loyalty element didn't work for Spike, when the simple answer is the fact that he's not its bearer. Otherwise, if Loyalty DID work for Spike, then the other elements wouldn't work except for possibly Magic.

Hmm... Thanks. Oh, well. I guess my scene might still work if I had the spell start but fail midway through since Twilight isn't being a friend? Just like the spell failed in Return of Harmony?

Based on this story, they're not trying to use the Elements on anything. They're just testing them too see if they will spark. So I don't see how it would fail midway through, unless they were trying to use it on something. That was what failed in Return of Harmony.

6482895 Great point about Spike. Oh, well. :rainbowderp: [Spike's the new Rainbow Dash, so he gets her emotes for that scene.]

"And it wouldn't, right? She's still Fluttershy."

:twilightoops:-are you a Changeling, then? She called you with telepathy to defend herself, didn't she? Don't give me that look, it's all one big conspiracy, and I'm going to Celestia!
:rainbowdetermined2: -you aren't going until you're with us, right, Fluttershy?
:fluttershysad: -Let Twilight decide for herself. But we're your friends, Twilight! Really. The entire hive is.
(changelings enter the window)

Twilight's mistake in this situation is that she can't supply her own test question. For all she knows, Rainbow's test questions may be staged by Fluttershy and Rainbow both changelings.
This story has so much classic (Season 1's) character emotions! I even remember now, those good old days where things were simple and it was possible to actually make fanfics without remembering the whole payload of 5 seasons and trying to interpret them the right way. :raritycry:

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Darn, I'd been hoping for a bit more parody. :/

I've been dying for a good non-parody version. Very nice!

"Excuse me? I think a rainbow of friendship would taste wonderful right now."

And thus we learn why the Elements should never be used on changelings that are your enemy.

6536709 I don't think that it'll help if your food is trying to turn you to stone.

I am confused and I don't know but this is... a bit sloppy.

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.....I like this idea please find someone to write it.

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