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Never going to look at math the same way again...
No safe word.
Hmm. Maybe I'll do a reading of this. Seems enjoyable so far.
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Indeed. Also no pretense that the pony in question got into the situation really voluntarily in the first place, which kind of moots looking for any particular mechanism to ensure continued consent.
The basic point of a safeword is to provide a clear distinction between pretend protests and pleas that are part of the scene, and actual objections which the partner wants to take seriously. In this chapter the bottom pony got blackmailed into the entire thing, and is not supposed to make any mock protests - and it is unclear whether the blackmailer would even listen to sincere ones anyway. There wouldn't be any logical role for a safeword here.
If you want safewords, let me recommend my other story The Toymaker's Marefriend, which has one and plays it considerably more seriously than this.
6440046 Oh, I'm perfectly aware of all that. I'm just taking it too seriously.
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Cool. Let me know if you do.
One of them.
I may have missed some typo, as I wasn't paying much attention at the end part.
6440222 Thanks, fixed.
6440222 I actually caught that one this morning when I read over the story here on the site.
Thanks for pointing it out.
Hmm, and yet he is one that got dominated. Hope he'll rectify himself as proper top.
This sounds like it'll be a great story so far, and I really enjoy it. Can't wait to see what Vinyl and Octy have in store.
Also, you mentioned guest chapters? I wouldn't mind writing one of those, maybe one while he's on the job, after Octy and Vinyl have their way with him. ;)
6452331 Thank you!
Unfortunately the current plan is that you'll get to imagine that for yourself. Next chapter, new rescue and a viewpoint switch.
(Feel free to PM me with a chapter pitch, and I'll tell you if it conflicts with something already planned).
I'm not even sure how I ended up here, but I'm glad I did. The clop notwithstanding, this is a fabulously written story thus far, and I'll be tracking it to see where it goes. I'm here for the plot, though . . . the story kind, not the, er, other kind. Though considering the description, I'm not sure how satisfied I will be . . .
Dammit.
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Thanks for the praise.
I'm not sure I'll be able to meet your expectations. It does sound like the story you want to read is the kind I would dearly love to write if only I had a good idea what would happen in it. It's possible that I will figure it out later, so stay tuned.
It's a fetish I didn't know I wanted until I had it.
6492266 I can set you up with some really degenerate non-commutative stuff ... non-associative too, if you have the guts for it.
Not my fetish, but nice read anyway.
that other fic was a pretty good one.....
6633550 Um, wut?
You're posting here to declare that there's a different, but unspecified, story somewhere that is pretty good?
6633756 ....chapter comment posting must be weird on this site , i made that comment on chapter 4 where you mention the inspiration for that chapter was derived from another fic.....
6633785 Ah, I see.
Yes, chapter commenting is arguably broken. Comments posted on the main story page are automatically attached to the last published chapter at the time of commenting, and the story page itself shows all comments for all chapters intermixed among each other -- so there's no way to distinguish a comment posted on the story as a whole from one posted on the last chapter.
6633900 i see , that is a mess lol....
a single tag added to a comment that are posted on a specific chapter would be all that would be needed and so easy to do no?.....
I enjoy the story, but I really hope that things work out for Finey. Poor guy doesn't deserve that, and Octy and Vinyl don't deserve to get away with it. Octy at least, Vinyl might not realize how fucked up it is.
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Thanks. Perceptive reader as always. Your concerns are duly noted.
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over.
Heh - "Oh, come on, he's a *guy*, she *couldn't* have raped him" really, really bugs me, so it's something I tend to get a li'l
Who's Fuzzy?
And no problem with things moving forward - I sincerely hope that somepony points out to Finey that *he's* the one who was raped at some point, with the knot he's twisting himself into.
6804632 Whoops. Fizzy, of course.
Fixed.
Stay tuned.
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Seconded. Though I do hope Octy was just her kinky self and it wasn't full-on blackmail attempt. But if it was, she should get her due.
Um, wow, heavier than I expected. It's interesting, but this is nearly a genre change. Definitely just earned a dark tag for the whole story. Hopefully things with Tavi turn out to have been an innocent misunderstanding on both sides...
Also, just curious, what about unicorns with dedicated doms that are interested in lifestyle submission? These rings are explicitly temporary, and that's a good default, but in an Equestria where the legal system is explicitly designed to accommodate BDSM and taken seriously enough to warrant the existence of the Rescue Service, it would be odd if there was no process in place (however formal and monitored) for the occasional true-blue submissive who would legitimately dislike having to reaffirm their chosen lifestyle every 12 hours.
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I'm sort of eyeing the new Drama tag, but I don't think Dark will fit. In my understanding, that's for stories that are denser with soul-crushing no-way-out hopelessness than this one is.
That's not really how it is in my mind. We could say that the law acknowledges that BDSM exists and tries to find a middle ground between ponies' right to have their own kinds of fun in the bedroom, and other unicorns' fear of, say, waking up having been incapacitated by an intruding burglar. If the law didn't make BDSM rings with specific safety features legal, there would just be black-market ones without them in circulation instead.
Also, the Rescue Service is (despite its slightly grandiose name) a smallish private business, not a government agency.
So they would have to actively perform an act of submission once in a while? The horror!
I think wearing a suppressor ring is more like "hands cuffed behind your back" than like "wearing a collar" in that it's not generally something even a lifestyle sub would do 24/7. There are plenty of other ways to exercise control over them; it's not as if a unicorn with intact magic is automatically invincible. When the dom wants the sub to be suppressed, he/she will simply be ordered to activate the ring -- that doesn't need to equate to a big solemn display of free will.
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Yeah, fair point, I guess it is pretty subjective. Rape (even questionably) is in my portfolio of insta-dark classifiers, but that's just me.
Well, it's more of a headspace thing. A lot of unicorns would probably consider magic part of themselves, but (with the exception of a certain somepony in this chapter) wouldn't be doomed without it, given that earth ponies get by fine. You had what looked like a lifestyle petplay scene going on last chapter, with an earth pony mare; if the same mare with the same feelings was born a unicorn, wouldn't she feel odd as a dog who gets magical powers every 12 hours? If what we're going with is "this Equestria acknowledges BDSM but doesn't care to enable it", it's consistent to ignore that for practicality, I suppose, but I would expect anypony that determined to live a non-magical role to be enabling that black market you spoke of anyway.
(Mind you, it's your story; I'm not telling you to change it or anything. Just a perspective you might not have considered. ^^ I'm a lifestyle sort of person myself, and in this setting, if there was any snowball's chance in hell I would get away with it, I probably would seek out an indefinite-term ring and just hope that nopony can visually tell it's the illegal variety.)
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Hmm, apparently I misunderstood your point. It still sounds a bit odd to me -- as if the desire to "live a non-magical role" you're speaking of doesn't have a lot to do with submitting to a dom, but more with a form of self-limitation that could be equally well be practiced solo.
As for Cressie in chapter 4, I would point out that she does regularly have the physical option of walking away, never to come back. Arguably, I suppose, each time her master whistles for her and she comes to him, that would count as "reaffirming her chosen lifestyle", but I don't think she considers that to make her role less sincere and fulfilling than if she were kept restrained all the time.
Perhaps even more to the point, she seems to have chosen to live a non-speaking role (even though that choice is being challenged a few times during the chapter) -- would you, in her place, have preferred to have that choice enforced on an ongoing basis by a gag or muzzle? Perhaps you would -- but I don't think that choice would be universal, nor that it could measure the strength of one's submissive drive. [I suspect the black market would also be prepared to supply magical silencing collars in case physical devices are deemed too crude and distracting].
I wonder if the root of our difference is that you consider basic levitation magic to be a kind of superiority that your hypothetical submissive unicorn would/should eschew out of general humility rather than as a way to submit to a master's will? I'm trying to take the consequence of the fact that all unicorns seem to have it, so in unicorn society it wouldn't be something to feel high and mighty over, any more than having the power of speech, color vision, or opposable thumbs among humans. It does complicate matters a bit that the other pony races don't have it -- and there's no real parallel to that in the human case, so it's hard to reason by analogy -- but at least as far as the portrayal of Equestria in the show goes, it doesn't seem like that kind of things are on the radar for most ponies in general.
Thanks for commenting! I like talking these matters over, rather than just throwing chapters out into the vast silent.
First off, that's adorable.
Second, and this is going to sound weird, woohoo! Affine finally got it through his thick skull that he's the victim here! I just hope that any of the extra details she got out of him go on the "things that need to happen to Octavia" list.
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I'm inclined to go with your world for one simple reason:
Accidents happen.
It was mentioned that the ring has slots in it to hook it onto a bridle. There's nothing stopping a pony in full tack with a permanent ring on from being stuck in the damned thing without their magic if their dom, I dunno, keeled over from a sex-induced heart attack or something. If they were further bound and unable to move their limbs to go for help, they'd be even more screwed over without something like the Rescue Service, which is both not a government agency and, even if it was, clearly not mandatory for use.
I just thought I'd mention that I've actually been holding off commenting on this story as much as I'd like to up until this point, specifically because I wanted to see this chapter first. I've got a lot of respect for you as an author, Trophosphere, but I've seen so many stories fuck up the issue when a guy's the victim of a rape, particularly when it's something like this where he *was* (mostly) consenting at first.
Hell, I've seen so many stories turn it into a *punchline*, even though I was sure you wouldn't do that.
Seriously, Octavia is frickin' *evil* in this thing. Vinyl pulls a no-show for *Vinyl's* birthday - yes, she's habitually late for things like this, but still. Tavi's first decision is to cheat on her girlfriend. That's ding one.
She coerces her victim into letting her blow him - granted, he could've said no and just called for a reminder on where the key was, but she knew he was in a tricky situation, so that's at least taking the first steps towards Rapesville. Still, she *could* come up with ways to make it sound at least believable that she didn't *realize* what she was doing, particularly with the key (which he should have known how to find) on the counter next to him.
After that, she doesn't just stick her hoof in the water, she goes and belly-flops into it. She weaponizes the double standard so that *she* can rape *him* and convince him that *she'd* be the victim in it, leaving him at the point of honestly not being sure if he's the bad guy or not. She does so with the clear knowledge that what she's doing is wrong, as evidenced by multiple things including her failure to, I dunno, check up on him afterwards, and on top of all that?
She turns her girlfriend, whom she supposedly cares about (not that you'd know it) into a rapist as well, presumably without Vinyl knowing she's committing a high grade felony! After all, unless Vinyl's the ponified version of Paul Bernardo, one has to assume she's not used to thinking "hey, my girlfriend is willing to play fast and loose with the concept of consent, I should probably make sure the stallion strapped to the bed is *actually* there as a willing sub in a birthday threesome, rather than as a rape victim I'm about to traumatize for life thinking he's getting off on it as much as I am."
If I were Vinyl, and I'm typically glad that I'm not, prison would be the last of Tavi's worries once I found out what had happened.
Okay, so. I've never commented on a fic before, and I didn't plan on doing it ever, before seeing this. I came to this fic, like anyone else, because of the fetishes involved. But after reading this chapter, I feel like I have to say something.
This fic is the best "clopfic" I've ever read, and possibly the best of any other genre as well. It's not the best at being a "clopfic", that is, to turn the reader on, but it is the best at making me care about the characters and the situations they're in. Legitimately care, not only about what's happening at each moment, but also about what could happen next, to the point that I actually feel bad for coming here just for fap material. This author took the material, and turned the usual tropes involved on their heads, but not in a wanton, unneccesary way. For that, I applaud this author, and can't wait to see what happens next.
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Thanks for the praise!
And keep up the commenting -- authors love nothing better than getting responses on what we write. (Sincere) praise is best, of course, but critical feedback will do in a pinch and is still nicer to get than silence.
I like how Octavia isn't portrayed as some evil horrible pony. It was a very delicate balance to strike and I think you did well in managing to hit it. I look forward to the next chapter.
HA! In a female dominated society, a male claiming to be raped is actually taken seriously. Kind of sad, really.
7010500 Thank you.
I try.
I can't wait for the next chapter, I wanna read that Talk between Vinyl and Octavia!
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I really hope that's what happens.
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And I really hope it won't devolve into simple hard clop, that it would really be _the talk_. With deep meaning, emotions and other good things that move plot forward.
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Sorry to disappoint, but The Talk is going to happen off-camera. Consequences will show up later.
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Yay aftercare!
Still want to see what ends up happening to Octavia, but snuggles and feelings and mebbe more is also lovely - and probably something most ponies with the Service don't see enough of, come to think of it!
Next chapter please.
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It's being written. These things take time.
(See my blog post if you're particularly impatient.)
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Thanks. I do enjoy this story a great deal.