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I love this version better. Celestia doesn't really have friends because the throne keeps them away. Twilight hasn't even had her school a decade and they just expect her to give up her castle and school and hardly get to see her friends. In poynville she can see them most of the time and between the school and their jobs they wouldn't have a ton of time to visit. And the way they asked was rude. Twilight is supposed to be their equal which means making a decision for her was the wrong thing to do. They had already decided that she was their heir without even talking about it with her first.
“Y’know, Princess, I’m sure our friends in the human world would love to fill you in on this whole ‘democratic republic’ thing they’ve got going on over there. . .”
Fun story!
Who says the ruler has to be an alicorn? There's always that amulet thingy for the sun and moon. And there's always democracy instead. Go ahead and retire, ladies.
Hehehe I loved the turnout of this!
A fun story to be sure. I may have to make my own take on this at some point.
Oh sorry, Nightmare Moon say what?
Congratulations on being featured! Although, I do have some problems with your story. I think Twilight is a little out of character, and her response on a surface level appears to be in character and reasonable. The delivery and language used however, makes Twilight look like a frustrated self-insert from a narrative perspective and within the context of the scene, it appears that Twilight is in a rush to be somewhere else or that the visit to Canterlot was a chore. Luna while comedic feels a little too spiteful and out of character at times.
Aside from that, I thought it was a quaint little story, keep up the good work. I hope to see you in the featured box again.
This is a pretty good story
Luna should make some fake charges against the main six and throw them in jail behind Celestia's back.
Just give the throne to Raven Inkwell, she is used to being near affairs of state already. Name her Princess of Bureaucracy or something.
wait up a second! There is already a story similar to this, i think it was something along the lines
"Twilight finally says No", it was kinda the same concept except she just didn't deny the throne becuz she didn't want to, she had good reasons, DAYUMN!
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now I want to see a story of that
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Ok seriously, what is the featured box??
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The problem I have with that outlook is that, if Twilight followed that same line of thought from the beginning, she never would've gone to Ponyville and made those friends in the first place simply because it wasn't want she'd wanted at the time...and then where would we be?
I get the criticisms about how Celestia and Luna just springing the throne on Twilight is flawed, and I agree...but at the same time, I also get the show's intended message behind it, one of the core messages that FiM had always sported from day one--sometimes life is going to take you in totally different directions from where you expected or wanted...but that doesn't necessarily need to be a bad thing, and sometimes, in life springing such surprises on us, we end up having other great and cool experiences we never would've otherwise, experiences that play dramatic roles in defining who we are as individuals. Sometimes the right thing to do is to make the best of it rather than try and fight it just because it wasn't the path you expected.
That's what Twilight ultimately did in the show, after all. And it wasn't like she didn't still keep in touch with those friends either way--the show made that abundantly clear.
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Yet as immortal alicorn and a princess she is going to have less chance of making new friends and the alicorn thing was enough of a new direction. Her friends were also moving up in the world and not spending as much time in poynville as before the princess thing happened. Rarity had 3 shops by that point and rainbow was in the wonderbolts and would be moving up the ranks. She hated people making a fuss because she was a princess and expect for sunset and the girls did she make one friend as a princess. The throne would just be another thing pushing folks away. The crown almost pushed her friends away from her because they began to see the princess before the pony. How many people would do that? As for not going in the first place she was a student and this was her assignment to check on the preparation for the holiday in poynville. She didn't like it but she wished to be a good student so she went. Plus back then I don't think she could have said no to her.
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Only if you let it. Who's to say Twilight let it?
So you're willing to excuse that, but not this, even though the same argument is basically applicable to both just as equally?
Whatever--I just wanted my thoughts on the matter out there, so take them or leave them I guess.
This is awesome!
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You saw her friends when Celestia and Luna went missing suddenly her title was more important than their friendship. Yes they realize they were wrong but for a relationship to work both parties have to make it work and the throne will scare off ponies who will see it first and the the pony second.
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Well yeah, but that incident only happened because Twilight let it happen. The moment she stopped letting it happen was also the moment it ended.
It won't happen if she doesn't encourage it to happen, and as you already pointed out, Twilight would have no reason to encourage it because that's just not in her nature. The throne and how it works is totally up to her now--one of the benefits of being the sole ruler now.
At the end of the day, I guess what I really take issue with this is the implication that Twilight accepting the throne ruined her life, when there's really no evidence at all of that.
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No she turned around while they were changing their minds twilight didn't change their minds they just realized how stupid they were getting rid of the expert in all things magic that they had who had always helped them because she was their friend.
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Either way, it didn't stay a problem, and further proves the problem absolutely has a solution (probably more than one given we're both looking at it in different ways), so I don't know why you're acting like it doesn't.
And besides, I think you're underestimating Twilight's capabilities to overcome challenges such as this by quite a considerable amount.
But whatever. I don't really want to turn this into a big huge argument, I just wanted to make a couple counterpoints and remind a greater moral I think was getting overlooked here, and I did that already.
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Well this is an alt universe fic. The difference here is that Twilight did refuse to position, while in the show, she didn't. In the show, she seemed perfectly happy as the ruler of Equestria, but in this story, she preferred not to. Neither way ruined her life, she just made a different choice.
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Yeah, but did she grow as an individual going that route? Or at least grow as much? I guess that's the point I'm trying to make here--one isn't going to grow very much if they're always staying put and refusing every change that comes their way. And again, if Twilight had done that at other points in her life, she wouldn't be anywhere where she would be now, let alone with friends.
And besides, was the issue here really how Celestia and Luna dropped it into her lap, or rather was it because she accepted at all?
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The only issue was Celestia not giving Twilight a choice. And sure maybe she wouldn't grow as much as an individual, but that's not a good enough reason for her to accept the position in this circumstance. Maybe she's making the right choice, maybe she's not. I wasn't trying to say "this is how it should have gone" this is just how it COULD have gone.
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Well I admit I never like how much twilight hero worship Celestia. Even after she stopped being a student she still acted the same way as before even though she hardly ever saw her and was supposed to grown as a person and a leader. It seemed to me like no matter what Celestia asked twilight would go above and beyond for her. And that combined with the decision that she was the heir that was made without even asking her how she felt about it it felt like they took advantage of it.
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Well, in that case, I might as well admit I probably would've rather seen the situation where instead of either trying to force a "yes" or a "no," there is no dropping the throne in anyone's lap and instead sat down and talked out the situation and what options/possibilities there were, seeking to come to a compromise. Honestly that's how it really should've been handled.
But that's just me.
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Like I said before, how the show handled Celestia and Luna handing off the throne to Twilight should've been done much better than it was. But I get frustrated when people treat that as if to mean Twilight getting the throne at all could only be a bad thing as a result when it doesn't have to be.
It does make me wonder sometimes if it was really Celestia and Luna handing off the throne to Twilight like they did that was the issue, or that Twilight became ruler at all, regardless of the circumstances of how it happened.
I guess the best way to find out is to truthfully ask oneself what you really wanted from that situation--Celestia and Luna handling the situation better, or Twilight just never being offered, let alone accepting, the throne at all? Personally, I'm the former, because I otherwise have no issue at all with Twilight becoming the ruler of Equestria. I daresay she'd do it better than Celestia and Luna would.
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Well something to remember is that Twilight would NOT be the sole ruler of Equestria. All of the mane six would be. And yeah they would absolutely do it better than Celestia and Luna. Even is this stories version of events, they probably would have ended up in that position eventually
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Well nobody is going to look to twilight friends especially considering they aren't alicorns. They will look to the alicorn who was publicly named heir to the throne. Twilight friends will be seen as advisors more than anything else.
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It doesn't really matter how people see them. They ARE the rulers of Equestria. You could say that if nobody sees them as rulers, then they lose their power, but considering that the elements of harmony are you most powerful thing in Equestria, that is not the case here
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Yes but twilight is the princess of friendship which makes the friendship thing less likely with immortality plus the throne. Cause the only people who are going try to get close to her are not really going to her friends. And how people see them is important because they will be looking at twilight when trouble comes knocking.
I love stories like this, when Twilight follows her own destiny, not the destiny Celestia chose for her. I get a big smile reading these :)
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Plus when they first sprang this on Twilight, they assumed she'd be able to leave Ponyville behind with only a few days' notice until she told them she'd need more time - as though they'd forgotten about the school Twilight was running.
Then again, one isn't going to grow very much if they keep letting others decide what they'll do with their life.
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True I thought twilight hero worship Celestia way too much. Celestia could ask anything of twilight and she would go above and beyond to do it. Celestia might phrase as request but it really an order. I still remember the episode where starlight met Trixie and twilight was having Celestia over for dinner. Now neither side handle the situation very well. Twilight was still trying to be a good student for Celestia even though she wasn't a student anymore. She never even tried to get know Trixie despite supposedly forgiving her.
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I joke that Celestia could have told a younger Twilight that the sun was made of lemon jello and she would have believed her no questions asked.
I also agree that the show's "we're retiring" "okay" "here's the keys to the kingdom" "yee" was not handled well. One would think that Celestia would think to realize that springing changes on a mare known for overthinking, anxiety, etc. isn't a good idea.
On a side note, I seem to recall reading somewhere that G4 was originally planned to end when Twilight got her wings in the first place, the subsequent seasons were pushed forward because of the unprecedented popularity (i.e. us). And with this, there was a distinct "too many cooks" kind of deal with the story writers and artists from all over the US/Canada (and some from other locations IIRC) which is why we end up with continuity errors and episode quality flux.
S’ok.
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Best comment I've ever gotten
This is an interesting variation with Twilight stating She simply has no interest in ruling Equestria.
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It actually really is--seems like most fics I see fanreader999999 comment on are just "meh", so for them to go as far as saying it's okay actually is pretty flattering by their standards.
This is why I stopped being so interested in the show around Season 3. Before then, Celestia and Luna were mysterious figureheads, and very enthralling. It seemed like they had a master plan. But after seasons 1 and 2? Well...
I guess the more details you discover about someone, the less interesting they become
Ah yes, another “Twilight has an actual brain and uses it” type of story.
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Is that a good thing?
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Eleventeen
Very nice.
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The website itself it's compliment my story!!!
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I’m not sure democracy would really work for a species like ponies. Far too many react to minor issues as if the literal end of the world has arrived. Also I imagine most would just vote for an alicorn.
Ok, Twilight saying "No" is a fun idea.
And most ppl seem to agree that the writers handled this pretty poorly, even if Tia and Luna approaching the succession in the wrong way was intentional.
But what's with all the "we" nonsense? Why would Twilight assume the princesses wanted farmers, bakers and dressmakers to actively rule the country?
Twilight forming a council and making her friends effectively royal advisors in show canon is one thing, but this is just silly.
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Didn't Celestia actually say that she wanted all of them to rule Equestria together in that episode?
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She said "with the help of your friends" when Twi seemed afraid of that level of responsibility.
Not the same thing. There was one crown available, not six.
The writers tired their hands at foreshadowing.
Good work there mate
Twilight's Self Esteem is through the fookin roof