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Darkest Dungeon
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#needs batpony tag
Nice story, Max.
Because too many people want to call "bat ponies" thestrals.
As if they were the same thing.
7679510 Your name it just too ironic...
7679515
What, you don’t think that someone who knows what a thestral is can use the name thestral?
7679518 I just now realize your picture is a 'thestral' from harry pompor.
excuse my retardation, I'm a bit of a zombie right now.
7679526
You do know that the Harry Potter books are where thestrals come from, right?
7679528 I know that harry potter is about a kid who becomes a wizard and I know thestrals are spoopy skelly horses with bat wings. Never really did care for Harry Potter.
7679532
They’re also supposed to have dragon like heads.
You missed the 'e' key on that one.
Love this story, my dude. Really original and wonderfully executed concept. Also, I noticed something:
I see someone else subscribes to the use of this map, as well. Never really did like the canon map...
I keep picturing the yeti as the Hoth Wampa. I can't help it. Otherwise, not the best piece, but still good.
7679536
I love that map. I still use it for all my fics when I need worldbuilding. There's none in the fandom better.
Enjoyable! Thanks for sharing this.
Found a few typos
A four long snow boots were present as well,
Delete "A"
but hr muzzle in front
her
The walls were made of tinted plexiglass with a gape
In two places. Gap would be better here. Mouths gape. Buildings have gaps.
7679510 If avian winged ponies are pegasus, then bat winged ponies should be called pyrippus.
7679593 Would the plural for that be pyrippi? I'm writing that down btw.
7679510
Why can't they be called thestrals? Why does what a thestral is in Harry Potter determine what can be called a thestral in My Little Pony?
7679630
Because the source material for the creature determines what it looks like. Any variations to the creature still holds to the original design so you know what it is you’re looking at. That means that a thestral will always look like a horse that has a skeletal body, have a face with reptilian/dragon like features, and have wide, leathery wings that resembles that of a bat's. However much detail (such as other things like body shape, color, proportions, etc.) can be up to artistic interpretation from story to story but it will always look similar to the original description of the creature. And the original description for thestrals come from the Harry Potter books.
You wouldn’t call a creature running around with the body of a lion, three chicken heads, six robot angel wings and two fish tails a manticore would you?
7679642
You're half wrong, the source material provides inspiration for any particular creature, and the artist at hand can do whatever they want with it. There is no law stating that every artistic interpretation must hold to every aspect of the original creation. I reference the bug bear, they stripped away everything that the original bugbear is and used the name for a pun. This sort of thing happens all the time, and is how art evolves.
Thestral sounds better to my ears than bat pony or lunar pegasus, thus I choose to call them thestrals. And I feel justified in this because they have bat wings, which is one aspect of the original thestral.
I'd call such a creature a chimera.
7679664
Then point out one creature on the show that doesn't look like what it's name claims it to be.
A bugbear is a legendary creature or type of hobgoblin comparable to the bogeyman (or bugaboo or babau), and other creatures of folklore, all of which were historically used in some cultures to frighten disobedient children.
In short, Bugbears don’t have an established form for the show to copy because they can look like just about anything so long as it’s creepy looking and/or can frighten children. That means that the mane six did in fact fight a real Bugbear because that’s what they wanted their shows Bugbear to look like. An actual bear/bug hybrid.
And this is the entire problem.
Having one similarity to another creature does not make it that other creature. Or should we start calling dolphins sharks now because of their shared similar shape and that both live in the ocean.
Funny, I don’t recall it looking like that on the show.
Also, by your own logic, since what I described has the body of a lion and wings, It has to be a manticore because of those aspects of it’s body. Nothing other then those aspects matters.
Doesn't your logic just sound awesome when you get held to it?
7679702
Sorry, but on what authority can you claim that the MLP interpretation of a centuries old concept is the real thing? The Wikipedia article you just quoted? That gives you zero context, and besides that I have a counter example two paragraphs down.
In medieval England, the Bugbear was depicted as a creepy bear that lurked in the woods to scare children. Thus, the bugbear does have an established form, of an actual bear and not a bug/bear hybrid.
We are discussing the names given to fictional creatures, not real ones.
That's not my logic. That's your strawman interpretation of my logic.
7679753
A creature that has zero context and is referred to as a hobgoblin, bogeyman and many other various creatures in folklore that don’t look like each other. It’s almost like it can look like anything. Even a creepy looking bear from England.
For someone who claims that I said that the Bugbear is a real thing, which I did not, you seem to claim that the Bugbear is an actual bear from England and thus has an established form. Are you trolling me right now or are you really this stupid? Wait, I suddenly don’t care.
Considering how strongly you are trying to prove that the Bugbear has an original form, you say that as if you don’t actually care one way or the other.
Now I know you’re just trolling me.
And here we have the proof that you’re logic only applies if you don’t have it used against you.
Crying out “Strawman!” doesn't help your argument (If you even have one now) when people can read everything you just posted supporting what I just said. No, at this point you’re just being a troll and not even a good one at that.
I ask that you stop troll posting on MadMaxtheBlack’s story now because this isn’t the place for you to go hunting. Also, I’m not going to participate in any more of your troll posting ether. So please just try and stop your trolling and just leave this story in peace.
7679793
Okay, I will concede this point, there is no one specific bugbear that can be pointed to as the first one with the information available to us.
I maintain, however, that a creature doesn't have to adhere to it's original conception to keep it's name. So long as it is recognizable, that should be fine. If the word that comes to mind when people think of a pony with bat wings is thestral, then clearly that pony is recognizable as a thestral.
Um. These are not claims that I have made. Where have I made these claims?
I was 'crying out "Strawman"' because I already called the creature a chimera. I had given my say, and then you cited my logic as a reason for it to be called a manticore.
I called it a chimera because you described it as having chicken heads and fish tails. Chimera is my catch-all term for any hybrid creature that I do not recognize as anything else. And a creature with chicken heads and fish tails is not recognizable as a manticore.
7679793 7679875 Enough. Continue this elsewhere, if you'd please.
Well, how many times have we seen batponies/thestrals in the actual series?
Fantastic as always Mr Black!
7679642 Under that logic, zombies are people brought back from the dead to serve a master, and are still like they were in life, except they must obey their master's every command. Zombies aren't bloodthirsty monsters that want to eat your brains. Just about every single 'zombie' movie/book/whatever shouldn't be using the word zombies.
7679890 Edit: sorry, I didn't see that comment until I refreshed the page.
7679540 Same. It's so mystical and unique.
7679536 I have actually never seen that map before.
7679974
Yes, because a statement revolving around how a creature looks is equivalent to how a creature acts…
7679890
Max, you have another troll here.
Make it stop, please.
7680198 Then where the hell did you come up with ley lines?
@madMax do you have a link to the writing competition {results}? I'm on mobile and am having a hard time finding it.
7680453
The fact that they're one of those common terms in magic?
I mean it's not exactly one of those terms that you'll find if you only read sci-fi, or history novels, but most fantasy novels of any stripe will eventually bring point to the idea that at some point magical energy will flow under the earth in arcane streams called Ley Lines, (I think in some Asian cultures they're also called Dragon Veins) it's an ubiquitous piece of terminology for "modern magic".
7680572 Ah... well, I don't read fantasy basically at all other than fics.
7680453 What, you thought the author of the map invented them? No, ley lines are an actual thing. They are apparent alignments of places of significance in the geography or culture of an area, often including man-made structures (e.g Stonehenge). They are also sometimes used as a spiritual and mystical alignments of land forms. Natural places for strong magic.
7680539 The competition isn't over yet, but here's a link to the folder with all the submitted stories.
https://www.fimfiction.net/group/198383/folder/46729/1/competition-folder
7680576 Once again, that map was the first time I'd ever heard of them, and seeing them in a story reminded me of the map...
Right so...
The very end of it I expected them to just bounce. But this right here? This was almost touching. Adorable is the word I would use. Did not see that coming.
For that, you get a star.
7679608 I believe that's right.
this is my new fantasy
7679642
That's not exactly accurate. For several reasons actually:
A) The iconic version of many fantasy/mythical creatures are not defined by their first appearance, but their most popular or wide spread
B) It is sharing of key details, not base form, that defines two creatures from differing source materials are the same thing. A zombie is a zombie so long as it is a reanimated corpse or displays sufficient zombie like behavior. For most people a thestral is a horse like creature of sufficient rarity with the ability to fly due to bat like wings
C) I am fairly certain Rowling wasn't the original creator of thestrals, just the most current in mainstream media
D) Even ignoring all of that, what does the name have to do with getting a bat pony/thestral character tag?
7682082
Which happens to look similar to the original design of said creature.
Thanks for supporting what I already established.
This sounds familiar. Almost like I covered this already.
Thanks for supporting what I already established, again.
There have been plenty of dead horses that could fly, with and without wings, but none of them were ever called thestrals. Nor did they have the same detailing as them. As in having reptilian/dragon like features. They were basically undead pegasi. So yes, Rowling was the original creator of the creatures known as thestrals.
Did you just seriously ask what properly identifying a creature has to do with giving it a tag that properly identifies it? Oh dear god, I just took another troll bait question.
Max!
7679890
Apparently what Max wants doesn't matter to his other readers. How disappointing.
Maybe you should disable the comment section for this story if everyone doesn't want this to actually stop like you wanted it to.
Can you even do that or would it affect all your stories?
It is now my headcannon that the Empire came back during her next estrus. While in said pregnant-like state of cum inflation. The magical event was of such significance that the small amount of latent love magic was enough to... Facilitate things for a mare so ready and willing.
Long story short, big fluffy white bat ponies
7682139
No, but I can start blocking people who continue to argue the facts.
7682177 Well, duh. Where do you think Arctic Snow Batponies came from?
Yeti's, that's a mix I haven't seen before. Also I enjoyed reading this story and found nothing to complain about, but now you got me wanting fluffy, three eyed, bat pony/thestrals, that may or may not have extra parts. So much potential adorableness must be brought to life with art.
7679510 I honestly don't think that has anything to do with it. It probably has more to do with the fact that they are seen in exactly two episodes, have no speaking lines and are never made the center of attention. Also, serious doubt was cast on comments made by both MA Larson and Faust (on Twitter in 2013), in the episode The Cutie Re-Mark part 2, when RD is shown wearing their armor and gaining some of their features - minus the cat-eyes and fuzzy-ears. As it stands, 'bat ponies' could simply be some sort of spell on their armor to make the princess' respective guards look a particular way - a common sentiment in some circles within the fandom, pertaining to both Solar and Lunar guards.
Seriously, we get it, you have a thing for Thestrals. There are many passionate fans with their own head-canons and naming conventions, not everyone who disagrees with you is a 'troll'. Calm down.
7685938
They are armor enchantments. If they weren't armor enchantments then you would see ponies with bat wings in the background. Bat ponies are a fan made spices and don’t exist in the show. What does the show’s canon even have to do with bat ponies being thestrals?
First off, I have yet to start yelling at anyone so what do you mean ‘Calm down’? You can’t get any calmer than neutral.
Second, I’m just going to go out on a limb her and guess you don’t actually know what a troll is outside of it’s monster definition. Internet Trolls get joy out of getting a rise out of anyone they can by asking questions or making statements that will either start or elicit a negative response from the person they’re trolling. The most common way is to ask seemingly stupid questions that would get an immediate emotional response or to make a statement that would achieve the same thing.
Like telling someone to ‘calm down’ when they haven’t even started yelling.
7686024 You can go out on whatever limb you want to and have fun with it. That doesn't change the fact that your responses make up ~1/5 of those on this story...pretty much all of them arguing about thestrals and if bat ponies can be called them. When I told you to 'calm down' it wasn't that you were 'yelling' at people on the internet, but that this isn't the place to be arguing with people about a subject that isn't even brought up in the story. He specifically calls her a "batpony", and never uses the phrase 'thestral' except in the name of the group he was submitting the story for. If you feel the need to complain, do so there. THAT was my meaning.
7685938 It's actually been confirmed by M.A Larson and Lauren Faust that batponies are a separate race of ponies. They come from "deep caves in side the mountains".
It's even been confirmed by Larson that in the 100th episode there was supposed to be a scene where, "after everyone is gone and in the town hall, the bat ponies and royal guards are outside doing silly impressions of Princess Luna and Celestia. 'Every day shall be cake day!'". [SOURCE]
7686024
True, and if that's the case, you've been snapping up their bait without pause. He's telling you to calm down because of all the comments you've posted on this story in reference to whether or not batponies and thestrals are the same thing (which you started when I simply asked why there was no batpony tag. You're answer of 'Because too many people want to call "bat ponies" thestrals. As if they were the same thing.' had nothing to do with why there is no batpony tag).
Did J.K Rowling first invent thestrals? Yes, she did, but only in name. Pegasi have been around for far longer than Harry Potter has, and that includes bat-winged versions as well. The reason the fandom has taken to calling batponies 'thestrals' is the lack of proper term for them. Batpony just feels... lacking, and besides, you don't call pegasi 'birdponies', so why should batponies be any different. Yes, the mlp thestral is slightly different than JK Rowlings version, but that is what you get with creative licensing. When I say 'kraken' I bet you picture a giant octupus/squid-like creature, right? Well, the director and artists behind Clash of the Titans would be in the wrong then, because this is their version of the kraken:
static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/4099762-clash-of-the-titans-kraken.jpg
Now, I've already had to say it twice (and both times you were part of the disturbance) but I'll say it one last time. Enough. This is not the place to debate what to call a mythical, fictional race of magical ponies with bat wings. Take that debate else where. Should anyone try and start the argument again, or post more comments about it, I will be blocking them for an indefinite about of time.
7686580 Thanks. Although I already have one... I shall add it to my collection.
7686106
But 'Birdhorse' is such a fun thing to say.