The birth of cinema created multiple additional industries, along with inspiring a fleet of new marks. In particular, there's a need for sound design, and Foley Artist stands ready to bring the natural beats of the outside world into the enclosed studios. And when a recording session for Canterlot's streets just happens to record the most distinctive scream ever... well, what kind of pony would Foley be if he didn't share it with the entire planet? After all, sound belongs to the people.
To the people. Not to a person. That would just be silly.
But that scream has a source. A fast-approaching, very unhappy source. And she has so many more sounds to share...
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Art from a vector capture by AJDiSpirito. Title suggested by Sanguine Potato.
Rarity's scream is still my text alert
Great line
And for the next 100 years her scream would become iconic and a steady source of revenue long after she could no longer sew.
Ahh.. sound. Not an expert, just played with it on and off over the years, mums out of tune piano, violin, crumpled horn, school recorders on third harmonic overdrive, how to correctly break cast iron pieces for an informational video on the loom brakers history.
The artwork here is beautiful.
Rarity is, The Scream.
Even before any improvement due to Equestrian Cutie Mark specialisation, I would NEVER scream in an enclosed space, especially with anyone listening.
Because one, that person would likely never hear anything. again, and dependng on construction, it would be an enclosed space.
Oh Wow, that was strange. I just tried searching on Google, when the Doodle was a computer game thing, and I lost the left hand side of my keyboard. The letters A/S etc were interceepted for WASD directional control and no longer available for typing, even when I returned to the search screen?
Still. If C0 is Middle C, would you like to be in the same vicinity of a resonant pressure level approaching 150 dB, at a frequency approaching F1, before cutie mark spin up and Boost.
I suspect its about the ego I have little of usually, that I think on my best, younger days, I might even nearly approach being a tenth the capability of Michael Winslow. But, as always, this place is too crowded, and I could never afford anything above basic common gear.
I take it Rarity didnt care for Vinyl Scratch, her style, or her equipment? Even on reccomendation by Pinkie?
Hmmmmmm.. Crystalline Acoustic Matrices. Thats something I havent heard of in a long, long time.
Added to
The Triptych Continuum Rebooted
The "Unassigned" Folder because there isn't enough information to determine when in the Continuum it belongs
This is actually a really hard question for me. On the one hand, I definitely understand the judge's point. On the other hand, part of me thinks, "What's the difference between being remembered and being recorded?" Use is one, as one can't use a memory the same way as a recording, but what if the recorder doesn't use the recording the same way
FollyFoley used Rarity's Scream? What's the difference a voice mail and a remembered call? I'm genuinely wondering.On a similar note, this bit reminded me of how much I fear arbitration. On the one hand, increasing the speed and decreasing the complexity of the justice system is a very worthy pursuit. On the other hand, the lack of the jury system's decentralization makes the judge's impartiality even more important and the potential damage of corruption even greater, while the lack of the right of appeal means that a mistrial is even more disastrous than it is in the regular court system. That's not even getting into the problems of lack of independence on the part of the arbitrator, or the way they can obscure wrongful conduct.
Because this relates to the film industry & Estee apparently likes the Marx Brothers, some things I learned from a post about Harpo Marx
Rarity Scream reached the popularity Wilhelm Scream...
Perfect!
This story could have been almost an MLP episode in itself with a scroll at the end.
Rarity screamed several times in the show. Which one does this story refer to?
Some fun sound words I learned cause of this story. Nice. Fun to see another artist obsessive encounter Rarity; they could really get together with Apple Bloom and create some nice sets and costumes and sound design for a little production. Rarity could totally segue into the production industry pretty well with her talents. It makes so much sense that her iconic dramatics would become the equivalent to the Wilhelm Scream if caught on tape. Can't wait for the sequel to this story where they reproduce the plot to The Producers, lol. Great work, Est!!
I'm somewhat surprised I can't find a re-creation of Edvard Munch's The Scream with Rarity in place of the human figure. (Rainbow Dash, yes, but not Rarity.)
This is a story I can relate with big time.
I work with vocal recordings as part of my job and I can tell you straight up, having Foley Artist's way of thinking is a quick way to get yourself not only in big trouble legaly, it's a sure fire way to hinder, if not ruin, your reputation & career. Especially if you're the one profiting from it the most.
So, when Menageria develops TV and video games, will Rarity become the source of the Wilhelm Scream?
Marvelous. Loved the bits with Foley focusing on Rarity's phony accent so much he basically forgot there was a mare attached to it. Truly, Rarity is the loudest of marshmallows!
Goddamit Foley, I actually liked you.
Then you had to be a greedy asshole. Also possibly fallen into your mark.
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Didn't Zeppo create the springs used on the Enloa Gays bomb doors? Leading to the "Zeppo, more like Blammo!" Joke
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Zeppo was a man of many talents.
Aaand thus he fails. Such a good bit.
I quite like how non-malicious he is, just so absolutly trapped in his mark and ART that any consideration for how others might think or feel is utterly ignored.
Still incredible damaging and awful, and so very very topical.
The line between genius and insanity is very fine, but only Rarity is able to put a price on it. Still, if Generosity is about giving more than is deserved, that means being able to calculate how much is deserved is one of Rarity's natural talents...
If the recording was made in a public area, does it count as "breaching of privacy"?
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IDK, maybe. Google does mention he was the last to join their act & had some success as an inventor then the head of an engineering company.
I know there were originally 5 brothers although their were only 4 in the act (except 1 performance had all 5) 5th brother was nicknamed Gummo. He was in the Vaudeville act but not the movies. He stuttered & left the act to join the army then became their agent. Zeppo to his place in the act & the first 5 movies then left to head an engineering company
Well crafted, a very enjoyable read. Thank you.
P.S. I had forgotten about the whining.
Which was especially unfair to the changelings who were looking for a sustainable source of adoration.
I love the idea of a "tax miniherd." When you're as despised as a tax collector, it makes sense that you'd move in groups for your own protection, especially for ponies.
A few were waiting for a castle to rise above the clouds, but they made a mental note to check back in once that was taken care of.
Foley's workspace definitely sounds familiar:
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Mind you, that version's for when ponies get around to radio stations.
Some jokes are obligatory.
There's a horn and plentiful ammunition. Who said anything about jumping?
I love the idea that the Bearers produce SCP-grade anomalies without even meaning to.
For she is Dovahkiin. Dragonborn. Or at least equally gifted in terms of weaponized vocalizations.
Ah, they've already created the mid/post-credits scene.
Lovely work indeed. Aside from instilling agoraphobia in a not-entirely-deserving stallion, but that's what the coconuts are for. Thank you for it.
Rarity with a justified reason to be a bitch?
Everyone run.
This fic is the best thing I've ever read. I love this.
Ah, familiar with the concept of the fox from Kevin and Kell. Wonderful ears.
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The difference is public use. There would be no problem if Foley had simply kept a recording of Rarity's scream for his own personal use. It's the fact that he took the recording and then sold it, or copies of it, for profit and without Rarity's consent, is the issue. The same thing would apply to a voice mail. Keeping the voice mail for your own use is one thing. Making copies of it and selling it for profit is something else.
It's not the difference between remembering vs. recording; it's the difference between whether or not you had the recorded person(s) consent to make that recording available to the public at large and profit from it or not.
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For those who haven't seen a fennec:
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Yes, he heard you open the link.
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I prefer "Rader' aka Robin (no last name given) from the Whitebaord.
http://www.the-whiteboard.com/autotwb1844.html
http://www.the-whiteboard.com/autotwb1886.html
At the credits scene, I was wondering if she'd be credited as Rarity Yelle, but nope!
And how sisterly of her, actually, to have such a talent with sound! Depending on where in the timeline this is, well, there's that mortgage, and this is extra funds.
I didn't think Wilhelm scream for this but the method the director for Animal Crossing went through to get all the bug noises for the first game of it. 300 unique sounds in the game and he went to the forest to record the bugs, leaves, and all that foley work. That's what this piece invoked in me and I loved it.
African or European?
Savage Fluttershy is best Fluttershy.
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Most of us had to wait for the Pokémon. serebii.net/scarletviolet/pokemon/653.png
Raritys financial future is in the bag as it were.
Wow, Rarity, that’s… really, really petty, honestly. It’s a funny story, don’t get me wrong, but she literally has a stallion questioning his mark after all this just because she considered her scream a brand. Like, if it was a brand to her, she should have filed all the paperwork so the thousands of ponies forced to hear it echo from the mountain top couldn’t do anything with it. I agree with the judges ruling in theory, but she crafted that scream to be heard, and had every intention of that scream being in public. It does not in any way have the same context of a private confession of love like the judge asked about, and there’s an argument to be made that since she crafted that scream for public use—as in, she crafted it explicitly knowing it would be heard and appreciated—the act of her wanting it heard is implicit permission to record.
The fact that she didn’t consider a scream that loud and that public might would inevitably be recorded feels more like a her problem, especially since it’s just as easy for me to see the story playing out almost entirely the same way if the consent laws were already in place. She would have seen the signs in the market, probably been excited beyond belief that the movie world might be just slightly more fabulous for having undertones of her sculpted voice in the background—heard but not recognizable, and merely a bit of seasoning. Cue the scream when she sees the stores fashion line and forgets herself in the moment—which she is completely prone to doing in the face of The Worst Possible Thing—and the entire story could well continue the same from there.
So, yeah… I love the story. It was hilarious. But Sun and Moon, Rarity is just as petty here as Foley was oblivious, and I honestly feel worse for Foley because he was the one the system punished for not being able to understand social cues or norms or properly communicate his ideas and passion. He wasn’t some villain trying to take advantage of Rarity; he was just an artist with a completely different mindset.
As a voice actor myself I want to be recognised and paid for my FCKNG job
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Rarity can be spectacularly petty.
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Do not mistake stupidity for malice, but both can be just as harmful. He needed to be reigned in before he did some real damage.
Also, considering he was reaping a profit from all the sounds that he arbitrarily declared public domain, he was being a little skeevy about it.
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The thing is, I don’t think him profiting here is at all a sign of skeeveyness? Rarity likely profits off of her friends nonconsent all the time in the show, as she is seen repeatedly dragging them amid protests to stick them with pins to make dresses in earlier seasons when inspiration strikes. She essentially uses her friends as inspiration whether they want to be or not, and considering Foley had to edit and refine The Scream with tools before marketing it, this is very much akin to asking Rarity not to make a dress if the wind were to blow free fabric off a passing cart and into her face.
Like, in Rarity’s case especially, The Scream is LOUD, and was described as such to the point of breaking the recording equipment. If the consent laws had already been in place, there’s nothing to have stopped Rarity from reading the signs, shopping in a different part of town, being a drama queen, and still ended up recorded precisely because of how she crafted her scream. Rarity herself was very clearly invested in what she considered her brand here. Given the things she asked and required, her lack of consent of the recording was not an issue for her, it was the lack of credit for crafting it, so her lawsuit was entirely a business related one where she was thinking of herself. Only the judge was worried about long term consequences of privacy and individual rights, and while I applaud the judge for that, it should be real clear to anypony that spends two seconds with Foley that he probably has some sort of social disability if he’s that unable to read a situation, and that’s what kinda unnerves me here. Foley is a pony whos so disconnected that he needs things carefully explained to him, and he essentially gets shafted here not because Rarity’s argument is better—which its really not since she’s arguing her very loud and public scream is a brand and hers alone without needing paperwork on her end first—but because his own lack of social skills prevents him from communicating his ideas properly.
So like, I cannot view Rarity as being fully in the right, here. If it were me, I would have granted her the right to credit in the credits but not profit, because Rarity admitted to Foley himself that she wanted that scream to be heard and appreciated by others. She’s the one who didn’t think through everything using that scream in public might mean.
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Consent for one thing never implies consent for something else. This applies to all things you could possibly imagine happening and is essentially the core tenement of respecting other people's autonomy.
Wanting to be heard is one thing, wanting to be recorded is another, and having that recording be sold for profit by someone else without your knowledge is entirely a third.
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She literally compared her voice to a brand, though. It’s very clear from the way Rarity talked about her scream that she was ‘selling’ it for free. Again, the issue I have lies in the fact that what she did is very different than a private confession of love, and the terms and conditions she sued Foley over were never about her consent. If they were, she would have had the scream replaced much like we got Derpy’s voice replaced in Season 2, but she didn’t want that. She wanted credit, and she wanted profit. The first I can agree with, the second is petty and greedy. It would be like a fabric company saying Rarity has to pay them a percentage of profits from her dresses in addition to the cost of buying fabric, because, well… when you are in public, you are in public and a certain amount of your privacy is waived from choosing to go out and interact with others.
A more modern comparison would be viral videos. In what way shape or form does a video captured spur of the moment by a random passerby on a phone and posted on youtube give a person caught making a fool of themselves in public the right to force it down? If the video is embarassing to them, that means nothing since they likely aren’t named in it, and not being named gives them a large amount of plausible deniability and anonymity for any random people that may recognize him. They can always claim it was someone else. I could still see a lawsuit for privacy being important, but a lawsuit to let the videoed person profit off of any add revenue for one singular meme video? That’s wrong on so many levels.
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No, it would be like a fabric company very politely allowing Rarity to continue to sell the dresses she made out of fabric that she had stolen, provided that she pass on some of the profits. Foley did not pay Rarity for the 'base materials' as it were, or even let her know he was using her voice, which was the crux of the issue. It was theft. Wanting adequate compensation for one's work is hardly greedy.
You know... It used to be that filming random people without their consent was considered incredibly rude, if not a complete violation on the level of harrassment and borderline illegal. I don't know where exactly the tipping point on that changed, but I happen to feel strongly that you should not film random strangers, especially not to upload videos of them, and even more not to profit off of them. It's abhorrent, anti-social behaviour that ought to come with hefty fines. I get CCTV on some level is useful for crime prevention, and documentation of hate speech or whatnot is very useful to have as evidence, and nazi-punching videos are a great morale booster, but 'funny' clips of say, someone falling over? That shouldn't be going anywhere into the public eye unless the person who fell over is in on it.
But if there have to be these videos floating around, why shouldn't the people filmed get a share of any profit to be made when they find out what's been done to them? They're the ones who had to suffer falling over, and then humiliation after their faceplant went viral, so why would getting recompense for that be any level of wrong? I'd say that's a far sight better than some rando making money out of someone else's misfortunes.
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Stolen? If I say something in public, I am forced to acknowledge that anyone can hear and that there may be consequences for me doing so. Rumors can start from what people hear and see, and its my own dang fault if I do or say something that causes a rumor which subsequently ruins my reputation or life. Both recordings and rumors are just as harmful in their own way, but I’d be an idiot to sue someone for making a rumor about me based on something questionable I did unless said rumor led to provable harm and damage to my psyche, health, or reputation—none of which happened to Rarity here since ponies were so impressed by the scream. Was what Foley did rude? Yes, but its just as rude and petty for Rarity to think she has a right to profit off her Scream here. She didn’t sue for it to be taken down and replaced for privacy reasons like Fluttershy might have, she sued because she believed she had a right to profit off of something only after learning her scream itself was amazing enough to be profitable. Until then she handed it out like candy for anypony to take and do what they please with.
And the worst part is, she did more harm to Foley than he did to her image. Whether or not she got paid, the Scream is free publicity for her, and she’s smart enough and suave enough to spin it as such. Foley is not Rarity and appears so socially innept as to have a disability. I find the fact that she raised so much of a fuss as to have him question his first movie ticket and mark abhorrent, because Estee has always made it painfully clear what happens if you question your own cutie mark too much in their stories, and it means that Rarity had to have left Foley pretty traumatized psychologically.
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I think I get where you're coming from, but I think we just have very different opinions on this sort of thing and I don't think we're going to agree on anything here, so I have nothing more to say.
Have a good day!
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Fair enough, and thank you for saying so! It means quite a lot to hear the phrase agree to disagree. I rarely get to hear it because I am… poorly equipped at making people realize I find that acceptable? I have a an unfortunate habit of deluding myself into thinking I’m in a worthwhile debate long past the point another person is senselessly arguing in circles. I should learn to shut up before I agitate people, but my brain is hard wired not to.
1) She doesn't have expectation of privacy on a public through-fare.
2) She IS That Screaming Mare first and a designer second.
3) Sometimes, her good will is as fraudulaent as her accent.
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I feel like I should point out that dispite the first amendment protections for filming in public the vast majority of of the US would still require concent from those recorded to reproduce their image for comercial purposes, both visual and auditory. Up until relatively recently you could still be charged under eavesdropping laws, case law changed this for public officials in the performance of duty in 2007.
The only exceptions for this are if your recording and reproducing a crowd with care taken not to isolate individuals or of the target is a "public figure".
There is a reason film studio and news crews get written permission for any and all appearances and hire "extras" if they want to record a crowd in any more detail than from a distance and even then they often do it as a way to control.
Also, this is only US law, other places can and do have different standards.
The man becomes the word becomes the Pone.
I was just following the routes of the migratory coconut and ended up above due to Monty Python and The Holy Grail.