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Twilight Sparkle, the Princess of Friendship. She has amazing friends, a royal title, a school, a castle, everything a mare could ever want in her life. She was perfect.
Trixie Lulamoon, a normal unicorn, no title, an amateur magician, and not very well liked by others. She spends most of her time alone in her wagon, lost in thoughts or hiding from ponies who hated her.
What happens when they finally decide to tell their friends about their relationship and sexualities?
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Very sweet. Rarity in this fic is such a homophobe.
Yeah... no. This story had potential, but as soon as Rarity became homophobic, you completely ruined the story. No, misunderstanding but accepting after a talk -an onscreen talk- might have worked, but as soon as you completely ruined Rarity -one of the most supportive and kind ponies in the show- any actual potential this story had was sorta overshadowed by that.
Nice idea, but I must agree with other posters about the whole homophobia bit.
9671506
The same would apply no matter who was the homophbic blight on Equestria's existence honestly.
Then Twilight wakes up to thankfully find out it was a nightmare. xD
9671540
Sadly, it's just more pronounced and a lot more unforgivable when it's one of the main characters we've grown to love instead of just say some... straw backgrounder who barely has a character.
Well, the Twixie is what really drew me in, as since Starlight became a thing people really don't post much of it anymore, but then you had to go and pollute it with all this LGBT shit, like damn i don't need to know everyone's sexuality and stuff, i just wanna see Twilight and Trixie telling their friends that they're together.
9671506
I understand it's hard to see Rarity act that way, but one of the characters was gonna be this way when I wrote it. This was for Pride Month, yes, but this was also vent writing for me hinting at what I went through when I came out as a Lesbian. Sorry if you don't like Rarity acting that way, but she acted similar to a girl who was extremely homophobic to me when I came out. That girl reminds me of Rarity so that's who I used.
9671564
Well, I wrote this for Pride Month, so of COURSE, it has LGBT things in it. If the ship it was drew you to the story, you shouldn't have a problem with it considering they're obviously in the LBGT community.
9671571
Does being gay necessarily put you in the BLT community? I always assumed it was a, y'know, community. As in a group of people with a common characteristic coming to together, but not everyone who has that characteristic is with them. That's why when you see the thousands of lesbo stories on this site, most people don't say "Hey goys this is a LGBT story." Cause just cause your gay don't make you BFG.
9671567
Vent writing is for blog posts, nowhere else. And the fact is, if you were going to have a bigot in the story, you might as well have made it some background character. It doesn't work with Rarity.
Mind you, as I said, if you had to have used Rarity, make her misunderstanding at first, then accepting via an onscreen -if you will- talk with her friends.
9671597
Why would I write a story that is vent writing just for a blog post? If I'm gonna vent write, I'm gonna make a story out of it. That's how my mind works. Sorry, you didn't like it, I can't help that. Vent writing can be in many forms, not just blog posts.
I just don't understand any of this crap. Pride month? LGBT? What the hell are these things? I was raised by a family that just respected the choices people made. I really have nothing against gay couples. Honestly I just don't even bring it up. I just think of people as people and live my life as such. Why do people have to make things so difficult when there is no need for it? I mean you identify yourself as? What the hell is that even? Maybe its the time I have since spent on this earth has been longer than most of you has allowed me to really experience quite a few things.
I wont give it a downvote since I didnt read the whole fic but you lost me with the LGBT crap.
I mean no ill towards you author. I have nothing against how a person so chooses to live their life so long as its not something with ill intent or evil. Most people don't care about what you sex life is about because thing's of that nature are almost always kept behind closed doors. And rightly so. PDA's are perfectly fine, but when you move past that, that's when you need to keep it private. Nobody wants to know your sex life. And if someone is bitching about who you are or what you prefer then ignore them. A fire with no fuel to burn quickly burns itself out.
9671925
This kind of reminds me of how everyone is ok all the gay pride parades, but when one person arranges for one straight pride parade in Boston, everyone gets offended.
I'm like, hypocrisy much? It's apparently ok to take pride in being gay, but not ok to take pride in being straight.
9672012
I don't even see why there needs to be any parades for what your sexual preference is.
9672017
I would also prefer that there be no parades.
9671567
I'm not going to deny that happened, but there are 100% better places to vent write than make it part of a story. If Equestria was shown to have that problem, then it would fit in fine.
You dont owe any of these people anything. Let them downvote your story. Their just ignorant that their favorite character is being used in a negative light, to which I say is ignorant in itself.
9671571
You celebrate pride month by having Rarity crap on the LGBT community!? Bull-shit dude.
9672249
Thank you. This made my night. :)
So! Hi there. Name's Kodeake. I don't usually read... well, anything except Twidash, but I stumbled across this and, after reading over the comments and looking at the like/dislike ratio, I became curious. After reading, I felt the need to leave my thoughts. Though perhaps I should a leave a thing here about taking anything I say with a grain of salt; I've written a fic that deals with these issues. Well... I started a fic that was going to, but ended up neglecting it for years. Point is, I've attempted to tackle this version of Equestria, and I know how difficult a task it is, so I may be overly-lenient with the author.
Here are my thoughts;
I felt the handeling of the homophobia issue was hamfisted and clumsy, and though ultimately coming from a good place, the delivery was botched. It is... such a fine balancing act; these are characters that people love and connect with. To portray them in this way, which is totally antithetical to the message of the show, is going to attract hate. But... I cannot say it is totally unwarranted. At the same time, I feel it is not the hate crime many have made it out to be.
If I were to recommend doing anything, it'd be this; we don't need to know the sexuality of everypony present. It felt like you were beating us over the head with it, rather than allowing the characters to merely be who they are, which is the point of the story, is it not? Frankly, I didn't need to know Pinkie was Pan; could you not have had her react negatively to Rarity's comments, and merely implied that she was? I... actually don't have a problem with Fluttershy coming out in a show of support for her friends; that part's fine by me. Taken into account with everything else, though, it add yet another layer onto something that was stacked far to high to begin with.
Subtly is your friend when dealing with these kinds of issues. Although, perhaps a lot of this all comes down to show don't tell. You spent a lot of words telling us all how all the girls were straight and about Fluttershy's relationship and just... exposition that didn't need to be there. This genuinely could have been a good fic had you allowed these things to be revealed organically through the conversation. You didn't need to tell us about Fluttershy's relationship until she mentioned that her dating Discard could be seen as strange.
I felt Rarity was pretty far out of character. And not because you made her homophobic; I did the same. As far as I'm concerned, because the show makes no actual statements on the subject there is no such thing as arguing about this kind of thing going against her character. However, how she handles it is the important part. She is a dignified lady, but when she breaks down, she breaks down. You had her cold and emotionless, which simply doesn't fit her. She blows her problems out of proportion but carries herself with grace and poise right up until her breaking point. And while I confess Rarity is not a character I am intimately familiar with, I like to think I have a solid enough grasp on her.
Yeesh this is getting long. Okay, tl;dr
I felt that, while the execution was clumsy at best, there is nothing inherently wrong with what you tried to do here. You beat us over the head with the LGBT stuff, going over everyone's sexuality and relationships in a boring block of exposition, and Rarity's reaction is out of character for her. Mind, not her views, merely how she handled the situation.
In the end, I can safely say you don't deserve the hate you've received. But then, I can say that about most of the downvote-bombed stories I've read. People are... opinionated. I'm sorry you've had to suffer the worst of it I've seen in a while. I'd like to tell you to just ignore it and keep doing what you do, but... well, I've been there. I know that's easier said than done. It is important to take criticism, though, and I hope to have shed some light on the more visceral reactions you've seen.
9671596
okay what
9671597
I have two questions:
What exactly is you adversion to vent writing? Y'know, besides that "It bad! You bad! Shame!"
And is your hardon for Rarity really so potent that one unflattering portrayal in a fanfic force you bust out this... Lets be kind and call it scathing review of said fanfic?
9672017
9672012
There's a reason for all this. Pride isn't just a 'yay, we're gay' thing. It's meant to commemorate the Stonewall riots and combat anti-LGBT prejudice with a celebration. For many people in the community, it's one of the few times where they can meet people like them in that regard and celebrate themselves. Even companies and organizations that sponsor the events have the purpose of showing an LGBT person which places near them might be friendly in the sense of equal chances for employment and less tolerant of discrimination. Politicians who support protections for LGBT people will also often make an appearance. It's really not about 'oh, I'd fuck a dude/woman/both/none/etc.' kind of thing, because if any LGBT movements had ever just been about sex, there really wouldn't have been as much heart behind the movements. It's both for practical reasons, supporting the community, celebrating progress, and y'know 'love is love'. Some of the subcultures present at pride are also very LGBT centered, like that of drag queens, even if they aren't inherently so. Pride parades aren't perfect as they are, but for some people that's all they have. LGBT people in other countries don't usually get the chance to celebrate either. (Like in Russia. Shit's pretty bad there, where even just showing the rainbow flag is illegal and gay pogroms still occur.)
Straight pride parades being scorned aren't hypocrisy, either. The straight pride parades weren't someone honestly wanting a way to celebrate that they're straight, it was a passive-aggressive way to insult LGBT pride and just be a dick. There also was already a few variations of the straight flag, including the ally ones. Pride is a way to spit in the face of discrimination (and for some people, maybe just food and a parade in their city) without having it being somber and forceful. Transgender people like myself, for example, are still murdered just for being trans. In some places, I could be fired or evicted for being trans too. Not everyone has to live with this kind of knowledge or reality, and pride is a break from that, but can also bring awareness to people who can and want to help. It's also one step in an effort to unravel myths about LGBT people, like that of it being just a preference too. I'm not saying you're wrong for using that word, it's just that there's no real option to be LGB, T, or other things in the community, just like there wasn't any choice for someone to be straight. I would've chosen to be a cisgender person in a heartbeat if I knew what kind of a life I was going to live for being transgender. In the present day, no one is persecuted (except, y'know, by tumblr) for being heterosexual. That doesn't mean there's no problems for heterosexual people, or that there haven't been historically, it's just that they don't stem from you being heterosexual.
9671596
The story description makes it clear that it was going to be about more realistic struggles with sexual orientation with this line: What happens when they finally decide to tell their friends about their relationship and sexualities? You also apparently missed that there was an author's note in the front of the story a few hundred words long detailing the contents and reasons for those contents further. That's on you. Now, I do agree that the author didn't do the best job introducing the sexual orientations of the mane six and discussing their relationships all that well. Many improvements could be made on this piece, but it's not the point where I would personally downvote it. But that's just me, and you can vote on it how you want. It's another thing to be a bit of an asshat by going on a story with non-offensive content you don't like (keyword there is non-offensive) and advertises that it has this content and then be like 'well I hated X story for being obviously about X when it said it did include X and X is stupid'. LGBT people often write about LGBT topics beyond just Y character being Y and getting together with Z who is Z. If you mind the descriptions, groups, and such you don't have to find the content you don't want. I could understand if the author never alluded to it at all and just threw it in.
9671780
You might be on the wrong site, then? Or pursing the wrong medium in general, considering fanfiction in general has a majority of same sex content for most fandoms.
9672453 makes a very good point here. Close friends can often turn out to be cruel in these kinds of situations and expresses prejudices that no one would've thought they held before because they had no reason to show it. But I have to second that you wrote Rarity wrong with how she shows it. Rarity is dramatics, theatrics, and emotions! She has a fainting couch at hoof! Fluttery dramatic eyelashes and fainting spells! If anypony is going to have an emotional reaction, she would. Also there's no reason to think that country pony culture has the homophobic parallel to human ones when Twilight thinks about AJ. Thinking that AJ could be because she just never talks about same-sex relationships, never gives her thoughts on the matters, and loves traditional family arrangements could make Twi suspect that could be an indication, but it's no way to know for sure, y'know?
Another thing that you could've considered to make your story more tasteful and reasonably in character was to have Rarity be casually homophobic instead of massively so. This guide doesn't contain the best examples, but having her speak in a way that highlights casual/soft homophobia could work better. She might ask who the 'stallion' and 'mare' in the relationship is if they're both mares, treat Twilight's relationship as different from a m/f for unrealistic reason, or show that she has expectations like that and maybe ask some uncomfortable questions. She could make cliche assumptions that fall under casual homophobia if expressed with a certain intent, like assuming all lesbian relationships have a butch/femme dynamic or that Twilight should've at least 'tried' to date a stallion first. She could ask Twilight about what became of a stallion crush, one that was mistaken affection from Twilight's perspective but Rarity took as a sign of straightness. She might ask if Twilight ever thought of any of her friends 'that way' in a meaner, underhanded kind of way.
9672453
To be honest, I can totally agree with what you've said. I wrote this in less than a day and I only gave it a brief read-over. I'll probably go back and re-write it eventually, but for now, I'm just kind of watching the comment section. It doesn't really bother me that people are hating like they are. I wrote it specifically for a select few people, all of which loved it, and that's all that matters to me. I really just wanted to get my thoughts out in a quick story that could help me sort out what I was feeling at the time, it's not my problem if someone hates it.
9672747
nope ya know what fuck it was going to post a comment cant be fucking assed to do it now not worth the hassle.
9672747
Oh not at all I dont mind gays and lesbian shippings at all nor do I mind them in real life. I just dont like real world crap to break my immersion such as religion or politics in a pony story or identity politics. I read these stories for the innocence and fluff they so often have to just turn off the shitty world we live in atm and seeing the LGBT tag just makes me assume its going to be one of "those" stories
9672825
Yeah, that makes much more sense. Though, I personally like seeing people put care into ponifying religious pantheons for the world and some political situations, there's stories when there's nothing very clever in them at all to execute that. This story is one of the ones that didn't deliver the real-world connections very well.
I have zero idea what 'identity politics' is even supposed to refer to any more because of how it has been used, though.
Though, if you don't want to see the kind of themes in this story, I'd just check to see if anything is in the LGBT, Trans, and Homophobia theme group. Anything in those groups generally has some discussion like this.
9672808
I'm not sure why you feel the need to respond with a comment saying you were going to post a comment, and that posting a comment wasn't worth it, but you still did.
Isn't it a bit self-defeating?
9672870
meh not really i did post it but then i replaced it because i couldnt be bothered dealing the hassle of uppity LGBT community members looking to start shit from it (why did i not just delete it and leave it at that, simple i hate seeing delete comments i always wonder what was said)
9672879
If you wanted to find an uppity LGBT person, you've got the wrong guy. I'm not sure what gripe you have with someone explaining the basic facts behind why pride parades happen in response to people actually talking about the parades, and also about the numerous flaws in the story's execution.
So, I guess you're taking issue with someone, for the most part, agreeing with the general discussion on the comment section.
9672747
The world we live in today... Sometimes I wish could just turn back the clock and not deal with all this nonsense.
9672757
Next leave the political bullshit out of your story into pony land. You will be much better off.
9673092
I'm really not sure what part of the reply you're aiming your comment at, with the grand stuff about "nonsense" and "turning back time". The part where a story about cartoon horses had content you didn't like, but read it anyway even though it said that was there? The part where the flaws of the story are discussed and it's suggested the execution be improved? How the straight pride stuff was organized because someone wanted an adult version of playground taunting? Pride parades existing because of history?
9672495
I see nothing wrong with that sentence.