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I am a bit confused by the description. I mean, is it a prequel where Celestia still was in power and planning some things? Or a real sequel where she is trying something somehow?
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Psuedo-sequel? I mean, we're here for the incestual breeding porn, lets be honest. The first one was almost pure cloppyness and this sequel kind of acknowledged the original in the first chapter, but it quickly dumped it for a new cohesive story using the original as a framework. I think it's hinted the timeline got overwritten by the events Starlight Glimmer did ending the world where Twily and Shining became incestual lovers and alicorns.
Think of this as the Evil Dead 2 of MLP clop fanfiction. Don't think about it too hard.
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Overwritten? I think I rather have the Alternate Timeline then. Overwritten would make the the first Liquid Pride seem completely pointless. I mean, the universe then would have been completely deleted, and that alone is a very depressing thought.
8710350 Alternate Timeline.
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Hmm well... that's not true at least in humans...
The thing is that there is a mechanism against incest... but it doesn't work at a genetical level, as genes go a sibling would be one of the MOST attractive person [as genes are self selecting, so they would push toward carrier of the same genes] but as inbreeding is detrimental there is a mechanism that makes people with who you have grown up feel NOT attractive. So siblings growing up apart would quite likely fall in love, but if they grew up to together they would probably find each other not suitable as lovers.
Obviously this may not be the case for ponies, even though it would make sense in order to avoid the pitfall of inbreeding.
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I had a crazy thought... what if incest is a built in mechanism in their family line? I mean a thousand years of inbreeding and husbandry has to have some side effects.
Yes, wonderful, she's just forced your entire family line, and I do mean LINE, into her personal vanity project so she can stop whining about being the last alicorn, making that so your choices have never truly been your own. Seriously, I wanna know what would, or did, happen if one of the previous 'pairings' just didn't get along in the first place, or if after the bomb dropped, one or more of the partners of a pairing tried to refuse to get back together to make the 2nd kid for the next generation?
Night's worries that Celestia won't like it if Shining were to pick Twilight over Cadance, even though she'd still be getting essentially the same thing, indicates there's at least some sort of fear keeping them in line, so I do wonder what would happen if a sib pair just outright refused to play along? Especially if it was one like Night and Velvet where there was no 'backup' sibling to try and pair one of them with.
...Geez, now I'm sort of wondering how Sunset Shimmer fits into this.
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.....You fully opened up the existential hole that this entire fic never answered. I just checked, pairings over 1000 years are in the 100's of thousands to over 1 billion people involved in your birth. 30 generations of people. http://blog.kittycooper.com/2014/05/how-many-ancestors-did-i-have-1000-years-ago/
Now trying to force 30 pairings down into a fully straight line... She'd have to coerce some of those generations together. Either by begging, guilt, bribery, blackmail, or (at worst) rape, clones, or mind magic. There has to be one of their grand parents who suffered big time for this project, and not just the abundance of stillborn foals the earliest generations had to produce and then bury, only to give birth to more. (Possibly dozens each time at first until they produced one that was relatively "normal", functionally. The cemetery for those must have been huge or Celestia used a furnace.) It would possibly explain how Twilight and Night accepted each other so easily and started dating so readily if mind magic was possibly involved. (That damn book was always suspicious to me and how Night picked it out from everything.)
I think you just stumbled upon a very big plot point. Eugenics is a hell of a drug when you're immortal.
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Or if any of the pairs refused to give up one of their children to be raised by others.
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Heck, Velvet's parents were pretty much drugging her with fertility meds to help push her back to Night Light, so yeah, it just seems to me that it's really implausible that everyone involved in Celestia's pet project went into it willingly.
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We never saw them again after Velvet had her first foal. They are still around and growing older. Possibly infertile, have served their purpose now, and are just cashing out their checks for having been part of the program and be useful tools making good obedient children who fuck each other. Perhaps they changed a little for Velvets 3rd foal thinking there would be better chances for breeding and probably wanted another grandchild to spoil, if they're not complete dirtbags. Not sure if they will ever be completely honest with any of their children before they die of old age.
Fuck, that also makes me think. What would happen if one part of the pairs died? The parents would have to be coerced to copulation with their children, or the the other way around too.
Or maybe the Sparkles are just 1 potential family Celestia had to invest in, but they have the highest possible chance of succeeding now? It wouldn't make sense to not have a backup plan. Maybe Sunset Shimmer was part of the backup plan too.
Or Starlight Glimmer? Unusually powerful or booksmart unicorns or ponies could be a part of the project or were a part of it a generation or 2 ago, just let loose because one of the other pairs succeeded. Neuroticism could be a potential side effect of the inbreeding.
Celestia could be more evil than we think. derpicdn.net/img/view/2017/4/20/1417013__safe_edit_edited+screencap_screencap_princess+celestia_celestial+advice_spoiler-colon-s07e01_alicorn_cropped_female_grin_looking+down_mare_pon.png
"Now breed for me.. my little ponies."
All this reminds me of a dark parody I saw a long time ago about a thoroughbred horse having all its legs broken in a catostrphic accident, and people made a big deal about being "compassionate" for the horse by jacking it off for its sperm first before blowing its head off with a shotgun. (1 amputated leg is possibly the worst thing to happen to a horse anyway since they're too heavy for their other 3 tiny legs to take.) No gore, but it was played like a straight local TV news interview after a tragedy.
EDIT: Another theory? Celestia's School For Gifted Unicorns is a front for breeding selection of pony stock.
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Well that's a possibility, but it was not selected for explicitly.
This is a controlled selection program [more or less as in the latest generation it's not doing much except trying to get lucky in crossing the pattern instead of having TONS of offspring and matching them for the desired trait] So the anti-inbreeding gene(s) are not actively removed...
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As I said above it is not SO strange that Night Light and Twilight Velvet get together. It's a pattern seen in oblivious siblings grown apart. There is a STRONG attraction, if they have not been together till seven years old or so. That is also one of the reason why arranged marriage where the two WERE grown together from almost birth didn't work out well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westermarck_effect
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This.
This is why I love my fans. Because I have the smartest fans on this site. You're not just along for the ride. You're examining it every step of the way. Asking the real questions. Making outstanding points and observations. Questioning the characters, and their motivations, and what we as the readers, believe to be true, or deceit. I've spent a long time planning this story's arc. And I can not overstate how satisfying it is, how pleased I am, that it is generating such an intelligent, lively discussion about such significant topics.
As for what's coming up, I won't spoil anything here (the cover art is ominous enough for that). But I will say that some of you are on the right track. Some of you are a bit off. But in either case, I assure you, the Drama tag in this story is well-earned.
Get the big tub of Tylenol ready because everyone is going to get hurt.
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That pitfall doesn't exist however (in this case (if we are talking about the genetic diseases that come as a result of 'normal' inbreeding)). And this is after a sizable amount of generations have gone by, so why have a mechanism to avoid a pitfall that doesn't exist?
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Because it was there and was NOT selected against. Obviously we don't know exactly what Celestia has done at the beginning of the program, but it seems that it has always been relatively small. That is she has NOT bred something like fifty ponies with ten foal each and then has selected what she needed selecting also for reduced refusal of inbreeding... Already the breeding program is QUITE marginal due to the secrecy needed.
if Shining chooses Twilight instead of Cadance and what is wrong with a three way?
Wrong guess. Oh well.
Little bit of science for you: incest is (obviously) harmful to offspring, so we actually developed an evolutionary trait to discourage it. I believe (and I'll Google this later) it's the smell of your family members (and very specifically the smell, though I might be remembering this wrong). You know the way you enter a restaurant and can small the food, but after a few minutes you can't smell it? The same way you yet used to that smell, you get used to your family's smell, and something in your brain tells you to not have sex with those people. This means that twins separated at birth won't develop this trait and may actually become a couple (whose stories you could easily Google). This also means that is someone is adopted while still a baby and they have a sibling of similar age, they won't want to have sex with each other, even though they're not related.
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I came here expecting a hot slow-burn incest story where brothers and sisters make babies (and that scene where Velvet shoves her face into Night Light's crotch only encouraged the "hot incest story" aspect of it), but instead I was hit with the questionable morality of abandoning your child, having children with your sibling, and what to do if the wrong people fall in love under the wrong circumstances. I'm intrigued and disappointed at the same time, and I feel vaguely unsettled at the prospect of Celestia's plans, even if they would result in the return of alicorns. There are many stories that I feel would have been more interesting (but not necessarily better) if they had been written with a non-serious point of view that brushed over these sorts of moral quandaries, and at least to me, this might be one of them. Still, I'm enjoying the slightly uncomfortable ride.
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Or two sisters or two brothers.
Thats why you run these experiments in massive parallel.
And thats why equestria was made.
https://youtu.be/fxOWJKoPQ-Y
Not Creepy at all!
I noticed some grammar errors, can't really be bothered pointing them out here, But I'll amend them when I do the audio reading.
Finally got around to doing the audio reading. You should probably get an editor to go back over this, it's got a bit more grammar errors then usual, I amended any I noticed as I read.
So finally I should be getting back into this project, sorry for taking so long. Got lazy and it snowballed until I realized it had been a month and a half.
I totally hope Cadance don't get Shining or they herd together, just to spite Celestia
Let's give Spike to Cadance
I love your creative ideas Shakespearicles
Cadance and Twilight are both Shining sister, just herd and Celestia get two instead of one. Done deal