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Troublesome Beast


I don't know, man. Those weasels were on fire when I got here.

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What challenge are you talking about?

7808303 Criminy. Challenge RING, thanks!

As far as canonicity is concerned, so far, everything seems to be within parameters, from my understanding.
Blue has previously fallen about as far from the ideals of harmony as is possible (without completely losing the right to be called a pony), and has been sworn into service of The Herd. He did so of his own volition, and has since backslid to the point of being afraid to seek the help he is being provided. Twi noticed the incident with the two tit-heads off-hand, and as is her duty in the herd, intervened. Now, the task of remediation and training is at hand, but before that can go forward, a reminder needed to be instilled as to just what he's agreed to is administered, followed by a brief bit of aftercare. All perfectly cromulent to my eye. Leave it in, I say!

Grammar and punctuation may follow in a PM, but I make no promises.

It's hard to swing a way for this one. On one hand, the background information suggests Blueblood is an evil bastard(a pet peeve of mine, Garble and Blueblood being the punching bags of the fandom) who probably deserves a huge punishment, like jail time and is getting off relatively easy by not being jailed and instead having this kind of rehab. On the other hand, it is very creepy the way that he gets his arm twisted(metaphorically speaking) in an emotionally abusive manner by Twilight. While bondage isn't so different from a prison sentence, Twilight comes off a bit like an exploitative and/or abusive prison guard with the joy over removing freedom.

7809527 Thanks for your input! Yeah; if anything, it was worse before, and I'm hoping it's sufficiently tied down to remain in character, but we'll see as time goes on. One thing that I've tried to reference but I don't know if I've made sufficiently explicit is that not only is this Blueblood's choice to avoid a far more serious punishment and/or ending up a dissolute, impoverished pariah, but it's a relationship and ritual that's lasted for years.

Part of (this) Blueblood's problem is that he kept breaking the rules, and kept making things worse. It may be a bit too in media res.

As for blueabuse-- yeah. I mean, I could have just kept the size and wrestliness from the original story, and I wish I'd read some of the excellent Blue Redeems or Blue Is Secretly In Gold Digger Avoidance or whatever before this. I don't think the rake-to-villain setup is necessary but I did try to make actual crimes other than "was a dick at a party where honestly the main cast wasn't much better" apparent, especially in the opener.


7808994 Thanks! Here's hoping it retains that as Twilight moves on to the more kinky parts and Blue gets his moment of

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And he couldn't help but wonder if it finally gave him some redeeming value that he was going to be helping his mistress get off when the video of her humiliating him… made a real stallion want to rut his mistress all the harder.

The stuff after this sentence seems to be someones editing notes.

Otherwise, everything seems kosher, as far as overall story development is concerned.

7810191 No, that's his voyeur-subject kink coming into play. :) And a bit of herd socialization.

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And the stuff after that? I quoted it so you could find the passage, but the bits after that don't seem to belong...

Is the first lock a spell or a metal gadget or what? It sounds like it should be the silk, but it's what holds the silk in place.
This is fragmented and I'm not sure what's not nearly as big as what?
What orb? The recording spell? That's not clear.

7810263 Ah HAH. Stupid gdocs. Thanks!

7810131 Well, Blue's size and wrestliness from the original being removed isn't so much of an issue, it's just how...broken and hopeless he is emotionally speaking. In the original, sure, Celestia was slapping him around and what not, but it didn't feel quite as slimy because Blueblood himself didn't treat it as such. He got pissed at his treatment and was humiliated, sure, but in the end, he was essentially still himself, albeit humbled. Here though, he's been beaten down to the point that you wonder exactly what happened to him off-screen. There's a fear about him that just feels a bit close to how a slave(and not in the fun way) or abused person would be. Bastard or not, it feels like an excessive punishment to do whatever kind of shady stuff that happened off-screen to make him fearful and utterly crush any hopes he may have.

7810350 I think we have a slightly different read on the original, but still, I'm working within that mutual (or amutual) context. I suppose the point to be made clear-- and I hope I do, and may have to rewrite if not-- is that Blueblood's reactions aren't stockholm syndrome; they're satisfaction of repressed urges.

I like this. I can and want to, read more.

Did he write it all down? I'm cool with urges being met, but I'm weird about it. I am super hard about informed consent and actually tend to be against implied consent as that turns into a loophole at warp speed. "Clearly she secretly wanted it, look at that bare ankle and uncovered hair." I'm super unsexy, I know. I think about practical realities far too much. But I honestly think they can share space with amazons and BDSM.

7811806 Heh. Yeah, you know me. Even before the (literally) nine major revisions started, there was a strict contract, which became a contract and a rite. And I'm still not 100% comfortable with it all. Hence why I'm not linking it to the prime story just yet.


7811067 Thanks! Regardless of whether or not I keep it canon to the main hyperverse, I'm finishing it up, including the maledom part that all of this is just foreplay for, to me. :)

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I should have known. You're a good guy.

Brilliant! Blue is finally getting a clue, good for him.

7817494 7816933 7813220 Thank you all! We're on a small pause while Chapter 30, which links to and from here, is being edited, but it should be up soon. of course, it's the maledom part, but. ;)

7864086 Heh. (post-translation) Thank you!

Very impressive. I love your slow pace and while many slow clop stories have confusing moments with you those were extremely rare. No doubt one of the top level clop stories out there. I especially love Blueblood's submission and just how well you describe it.
But most of all it's really impressive just how believable and well thought out you made all this.

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Thank you very much! This one was a bit hard; most of the BD I do is heavily on either the physical pure force, two giants clashing together lovingly, or on overwhelming effects of *power* like Trixie's super-illusions or the alicorns' aphrodisiac pheremones in general, etc. I also wanted both to have a really _hard_ dom look for Twilight-- the reason I wrote this was because Hunting Season is oriented around an M/f or M/F combined for the most part and I wanted to make it clear that Twilight is a switch, not just a sub, and a good one-- and to have it stay within the bounds of consent. I really appreciate your generous compliment; it means a lot to me.

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I also do like that you kept a balance and Twilight is not supreme or all powerful.

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Much appreciated. Yep, there's a definite hierarchy, and even the two on top, well-- Luna can reach the height of dreams, but dreams can be hard to hold, and Celestia is Perfection, not Perfectness. There are limits. I'm glad you noticed!

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I was more referring to Twilight's coltfriend.

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Oh, Hopper? Awesome, thank you!

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Most stories are extreme femdom or maledom.

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I have an unusual set of kinks, beyond hyper proportions. While I like individual maledom and femdom (and futadom) depending on the occasion, I almost always prefer fully consensual, loving kink, though I'll dip into noncon for fictional flavor once in a while, for "the bad guys" when it ends up as a part of the coherent 'verse.

But more importantly, I kinda like chain dominance. Not for me the big burly guy in leathers standing over the quivering soft chick. I like having a male top who is dominant a female or futa switch who dominates other females, futas, and/or males. Sometimes at the same time! Hierarchy kink, I suppose.

I also like role reversal, hence not only making an alternate gender imbalance in the society (it's not reverse, not exactly, because while males are rare, their abilities in terms of combat are valued, and there are other complications), but also very specifically making my characters' preferences to create role reversal play. For example, if Dash and Flutters are together, Dash usually tops (since Flutters is usually the only one who will let her win and in fact generally wants to sub). But Flutters *will* be quietly fierce about her tastes, and it's only Dash's raw confidence that keeps it from being a pure topping from the bottom sitch. Or a true reversal might be found, if Flutters decides Dashie isn't doing a good job and decides to show her how it's done.

Though-- I really like the role reversal of a contested top from the bottom. Like in the scene with Hopper here, yeah, he's the young, impulsive, buff top by raw power. But Twilight has (a) trained him so his impulses are the ones that fit how *she* wants to be done and (b) since he's still learning how to set scenes, is the driving force behind the scenes and its direction. She's definitely chasing him until he catches her.

Incidentally, I'm hoping to show Hopper take more initiative over time; regardless of whether or not his partner is as driven as, say, Twilight or Rarity, or as cooperative and accepting/pseudopassive as Flutters, he shouldn't be making his partners do all the work. But no matter how much he learns from the mares, he will always be their thug, not their leader; the househusband, not a Prince himself, and he will always be comfortable with that. So there's a perpetual duality/yin-yang flow.

... Sorry if that got spammy. ^^;;

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I usually don't like hyper that much but with you it's subtle and restrained enough that I can accept it. You keep the exaggerations below the barrier where it stops being exciting and starts being just stupid.
(at least I think it was hyper since you seemed to describe Twilight as being massive)

Not for me the big burly guy in leathers standing over the quivering soft chick.

I understand but you shouldn't shy away from that combination. Every combination should be fair game including that one.

I like having a male top who is dominant a female or futa switch who dominates other females, futas, and/or males. Sometimes at the same time! Hierarchy kink, I suppose.

I usually prefer it more all or nothing. Though I agree having it be a hierarchy like this opens up far more story possibilities.

(since Flutters is usually the only one who will let her win and in fact generally wants to sub)

With Flutters and Dash I can of see both as possibilities. I don't think Fluttershy would be an aggressive dom though as that is simply not in her nature. She is a very caring individual and that would carry over to her behavior as a dom. I think their BDSM play would resemble a mother/daughter roleplay more than anything. Dash would also not mind as she loves pushing against an immovable object so having an authority figure who won't back down and who she can never win against would be very exciting for her. After all for someone who enjoys challenge they actually hate winning; because once you win the challenge is over. Of course in a casual sense they enjoy the thrill of victory but after that rather than fulfilled they feel empty until they find their next challenge.
Dash despite her brash attitude really is a follower. She is quick to act but only when it's clear what needs to be done and she is much better at following orders than giving them. She can rally others but she usually isn't quick to make her own plans. Fluttershy is more of a leader and thinks for others.

Though-- I really like the role reversal of a contested top from the bottom. Like in the scene with Hopper here, yeah, he's the young, impulsive, buff top by raw power. But Twilight has (a) trained him so his impulses are the ones that fit how *she* wants to be done and (b) since he's still learning how to set scenes, is the driving force behind the scenes and its direction. She's definitely chasing him until he catches her.

I think that is also something that will never change. Twilight is a very charismatic individual and charisma is one of the things that is really innate and something you either have or don't. That's not to say you can't improve your powers of persuasion with speech training but even so Twilight's charisma will tend to dominate him. Twilight is also a leader by nature and he is more of a follower. Twilight however needs a system to lead and so she can't and also doesn't want supreme power. She has a natural inclination to lead but still wants to be part of a system bigger than herself.

accepting/pseudopassive as Flutters, he shouldn't be making his partners do all the work. But no matter how much he learns from the mares, he will always be their thug, not their leader; the househusband, not a Prince himself, and he will always be comfortable with that. So there's a perpetual duality/yin-yang flow.

Indeed, he is just not a leader by nature. Also I would think Fluttershy would be very caring and want to get the best moment for both of them.

One thing I would like to see is some really weird fetishes from Twilight or Dash. They really are the experimental types. Twilight would do it just to experience it and because she wants to know how it feels and Dash because she sees it as a challenge. I believe every character has a core that everything else revolves around. With Dash it's challenge that she seeks and Twilight it's understanding. It's not their sole character of course but when there isn't anything specific it's what they default to and what does shine in every single one of their actions in some way.

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Thanks! I think you're the first person to call me subtle and restrained. And, yes, Twi is 8' to Blueblood's 6'3" and they have overmade proportions.

And, eh; I'm talking about my kink specifically. I may write others in-- heck, I have an idea for a gay fic which is usually not my thing at all-- but I just don't see people with nice, loving kinky relationships with the muscles and bods and genders set up the way I like them. So I must write them myself!

Makes it easier to reference during the next one. >.>

You've got a pretty close one to my Flutters and Dash, and I think they mesh well with the show version... other than, you know, kid's show versus porn fanfic. And yeah-- Twilight and the other mares will always be the dynamic figures in the herd. Males are only 10% of births in H-E due to cosmological damage, but they're too capable to be kept from the front lines; it's just assumed that they're too precious and too hot-headed and too emotional to take much of, say, high ranks and office. Not like RGRE Equestrias that don't seem to remember that, you know, Twilight saw nothing weird about her BBBFF being a captain of the guard; instead, like feral horse herds but without the wandering bachelors/bachelor herds.

One bossmare or more often a council of bossmares, a stallion or two or so to protect the herd and interface between the bosses and the ones below, and the lower caste mare who are subordinate to both. The Royal Herd is -all- bossmares except for non-married pets (and, well, one who isn't a pony), but that's part of Hopper's real job, to provide relief from their high stress duties (and hypers' high sex drives.) Add that to Twilight's charisma, burning curiosity, and the fact that she's using Hopper and the other Mane Five to romance Celestia (and Luna), and, well, she's always going to be pushy-pushy-pushy.

And freaky. In the main fic, the only time Hopper has surprised Teacher Twilight is when he tickled her-- she's too used to worshiping Celestia's feet or be using obscure equipment/her strength on her subs, so she wasn't prepared for it. Which, in Twilight World, means yay, good grade-- do better next time. He's never allowed to rest on his laurels.

Dashie I see as also pushing the limits, like you said. Rarity and Applejack have their own, very specific kinks and structures, and Fluttershy goes along with everyone, but Dash is definitely an Extreme Mare.

Let's not even go with Pinkie yet; there's a reason she's Celestia's last challenge for the affiancing herd.

I have a vision of Dash waking her dom up by riding their face (and expecting to be toppled/punished/something extreme going down) and cheerfully yelling, "Oh, come on! Pussy's the breakfast of champions!" or something like that. Again-- never let 'em rest. :)

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(When having replies this long I would like if you use the quote function to make clear what you are responding to.)

And, yes, Twi is 8' to Blueblood's 6'3" and they have overmade proportions.

Yes, maybe you could improve by making it even more subtle. Try to push it to the point where it's physically possible. So that means the largest size that a woman can be and the smallest a man can be. (without gigantism and dwarfism). So that would be around 1,60 for Blueblood and around 1,90 for Twilight.

but they're too capable to be kept from the front lines;

But why does Equestria have such a strong warrior mentality? From Equestria's prosperity and huge gem mines I had always expected that they relied more on mercenaries to fight their wars.

it's just assumed that they're too precious and too hot-headed and too emotional to take much of, say, high ranks and office.

Interesting. But I would expect just like real life all rules have their exceptions. In China Eunighs were not considered real men so they couldn't rule. That was the reason boys were castrated as they couldn't become rivals to the throne. However some of the most capable and intelligent ones became very powerful.
Maybe they had a stallion who became admiral of a powerful fleet. The most famous Chinese Eunough was Chang Ha who sailed through Asia with his powerful treasure fleet.

One bossmare or more often a council of bossmares, a stallion or two or so to protect the herd and interface between the bosses and the ones below, and the lower caste mare who are subordinate to both.

Why? I mean if males are not physically stronger than females why do they have the role of protecting them.

The Royal Herd is -all- bossmares except for non-married pets (and, well, one who isn't a pony), but that's part of Hopper's real job, to provide relief from their high stress duties (and hypers' high sex

So I guess they become less reasonable when they become too horny?

Add that to Twilight's charisma, burning curiosity, and the fact that she's using Hopper and the other Mane Five to romance Celestia (and Luna), and, well, she's always going to be pushy-pushy-pushy.

Twilight would also want to improve the art of bondage. She is a perfectionist and would try to improve their sessions just for the sake of improvement.

And freaky. In the main fic, the only time Hopper has surprised Teacher Twilight is when he tickled her-- she's too used to worshiping Celestia's feet or be using obscure equipment/her strength on her subs, so she wasn't prepared for it. Which, in Twilight World, means yay, good grade-- do better next time. He's never allowed to rest on his laurels.

That really sounds like Twilight. You got her personality down very well.

Dashie I see as also pushing the limits, like you said. Rarity and Applejack have their own, very specific kinks and structures, and Fluttershy goes along with everyone, but Dash is definitely an Extreme Mare.

I don't see Fluttershy as being so complaint. I more see her primairy traits as caring. So I more see Fluttershy as a dom who tries to keep the subs comfortable and will advice her friends to tone it down when they go too far. Her own style would be very much like a mother. You can't live with her and also not without her. Maybe a kink unique to her would be a very parental style over-the-knee spanking and scolding. Something Dash would see as incredibly lame. However something like that can be incredibly effective if you do it well. You can help but agree with every one of her snides.
I actually think the one on who this would be very effective is Twilight.
Fluttershy would also do things like long term gentle tickling and orgasm denial. Fluttershy's tools are gentleness and subtleness. She is a caring individual first and foremost and would try to conjure up the image of a mother. In contrast to Twilight who is a stallward authority figure and source of wisdom.

Let's not even go with Pinkie yet; there's a reason she's Celestia's last challenge for the affiancing herd.

I do see Pinkie as weird but also most similar to Fluttershy. In having a very selfless way of doing it and putting the sub's pleasure above her own.

I have a vision of Dash waking her dom up by riding their face (and expecting to be toppled/punished/something extreme going down) and cheerfully yelling, "Oh, come on! Pussy's the breakfast of champions!" or something like that. Again-- never let 'em rest. :)

Indeed. After all if Dash allows her dom to be complecent they might turn soft.

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Well, I am going to call an end to it soon since I'm letting it distract me from actual writing, but--

Yes, maybe you could improve by making it even more subtle. Try to push it to the point where it's physically possible. So that means the largest size that a woman can be and the smallest a man can be. (without gigantism and dwarfism). So that would be around 1,60 for Blueblood and around 1,90 for Twilight.

That's not improvement, that's changing the kink; this is exactly how I want it to be. Makes for fun elsewhere when a 10'8" Celestia overwhelms the 8' Twilight (with various forms of things-- mental, social, spiritual, etc. not just physical). I know not everyone's into that, but that's where my fantasy is, much like I choose to explore certain aspects of character.

But why does Equestria have such a strong warrior mentality? From Equestria's prosperity and huge gem mines I had always expected that they relied more on mercenaries to fight their wars

The gems aren't really valuable as near as I can tell-- way too common. But, presuming that they do have some value and there's some more than others, the thing about mercs is that you have to pay them to stop fighting as well as pay them to fight. Mercenaries work better if there's some sort of integrative function and you have isolation-- so the Assinian Navy, for example, does pay mercenaries for occupying land areas they need, but Assinia itself is a well-fortified island, so extortion is harder.

As for Hyper Equestria-- if you look in the show there's a _lot_ of martialty in the background. Some of it is comedic, like combat pastries (which my Pinkie is in charge of), but while the Guard aren't able to handle every threat, they do have shield/sword/spear/etc. imagery. Even with the schizotech, you see people taking on martial-presumptive roles, especially pegasi.

So HE takes that, and puts it into a more -- I hesitate to say adult or mature since those have baggage, but perhaps epic in the poem sense or the scale sense? -- into a different lens. Remember that Epona is actually a deathworld; if the ponies or sapients in other areas don't constantly use magic and high impact labor, the very seasons can fall out of place. Animals lose instinct; the weather doesn't follow hot and cold air properly, the land becomes untenable.

Monsters wander.

So-- into that backdrop come Pegasi, who began with an Oracular caste that a Sparta-esque military Junta had slaughtered with the help of the unicorns. Their magic fades into only the instinctive-operant (weather and flying and of course cutie marks) and the pegasi rearrange themselves on baronial-feudal lines with a militant overall structure/terminology. After this is disastrous, Commander Hurricane overthrows the Junta's descendants and becomes functionally an oligarch; probably would have become a king-called-high-general or whatever if he hadn't.

The modern pegasus society throws a lot of itself into frankly semi-fascistic lines-- hypercompetitive sports and high value on military service, a nationalized industry that leans towards socialist but could backfall into fascist (it's more about who controls what-- ie, fascist starts to see corporate ventures directed into inherited wealth that propagates through the government, socialist has the government tie in the means of production to political action). It doesn't become the weird communist fusion because at the local level there are political party equivalents and at the federal, there's a semi-perfect godqueen and eventually her not-so-perfect-but-still-pretty-good co-godqueens.

As a side note, my Equestria is kinder to most citizens of all class levels and gets positive outcomes, but has flaws and negative internals a la flim and flam, potential for internal revolution, etc.-- I don't see the way they're set up as an ideal. It's just that Celestia, prior Celestia and Luna, and now Celestia, Luna, and the Mane Six are literally divine entities who have both the industrial-power oomph personally and the hypergenius minds to make it work regardless of whether it SHOULD work. Which is another reason why Celestia is more positive on Assinia but sometimes feels more comfortable with aristocracies-- the Assinians are the virtues she likes, but when you watch people die and others rise in their place for thousands of years, dynasties that remind you of people are *convenient*. She isn't perfect; one of her spheres is Perfection-the-process, but that's not the same thing as achieving it.

The unicorns had a pre-existent aristocracy that in my head was balanced against two points (which is why they are unstable-- tripods are stable furniture but very unstable political setups). The dynastic families had the usual inheritance of wealth and political family like our aristocrats, but also inherited magical power, items passed down through generations, etc. So (pre-Wendigo) they tend to push very, very hard against 'lower' class unicorns and the royal lineage itself. And of course other species, but that's secondary to why they have a warrior culture as opposed to pegasus soldier culture.

Their pushback against their royal lines sometimes did go out to the other species, like the slaughter of the oracles and the winnowing of the druids, because the royals would also use leverage of other species/subspecies' alliances or threats to keep them in line, and the royals didn't catch them in time.

The aristocrats formed bands of potent unicorns, much like gentry, knights, etc. to barons, then in larger feudal lineages that had barons beneath them, etc. The royals were the most powerful of those lineages-- they produced spectacularly powerful battle-mages and magical warriors-- and they generally had interlocking oaths and diplomatic arrangements working for them. You can't betray your queen as easily if your clan is cursed if you do so, though there's always trying to find a way out, or brute force, etc. The royalty prevented the complete wipe-out of earth pony druids, but that's because they had been blindsided about the oracles and were watching for something similar.

Then the third pole would be the academics. Much like oaths of fealty have real, functional effects in this world, academic study can improve personal ability. To put it in Pathfinder terms, most unicorns have some spell-like abilities, possibly 'just' TK and their special talent. Some of them study to improve that, either as sorcerers (mostly instinctive still) or arcanists (using wizard-like study to develop powers in a more flexible range. Then there are the prestige classes like "battle mage" or "mage warrior" where you're still primarily acting like one thing, but integrate others. Aristocrats were heavy on the prestige & sorcerers, the royalty had lots of extra bennies by <s>the GM</s>inheritance, and then there were those that study.

So-- full academics, both in terms of developing their mind (think rarity's multitasking applied to a lab then applied to wielding objects defensively) or in terms of actual thaumatological study, exist as a third pole. They give middle class/lower class a chance to rise, something that is cultivated but not too far by royals, and aristocrats oscillate between patronage and sabotage for much the same reason. The end result is the almost bandit-like approach to earth ponies and instinctive threat-response at the pegasi.

The earth ponies are the strongest physically and provide the food, and demonstrate why that isn't enough when you have industrial society (reading magic as industry) to maintain even one's own standing in an unstable political arena. Think Celts, or Gauls, over a widespread area. It's a warrior-farmer ethos, rather than warrior-aristocrat, but they have and have had their own clans and lineages. One has to be trained as a warrior not just to defend one's freehold, but to prevent forcible absorption. The aristocratic unicorns (this is my verse as opposed to what I can see) called in their markers with the pegasus junta to try to eliminate the druidic part of the earth-clans, and break up the big ones like the Sta[;es (Apples, Pears, Grains, etc.) or the Confectionists (Pies, etc.)-- the major difference would be 'draws from the raw land' Staples (like traditional druids) or 'draws from crafts and making' Confectionists (see Tamora Pierce's Circle series for examples of how that could work).

Individual earth ponies range from Really Strong to Freaky Strong like Mac and that one pippi longstocking standin I wish we saw more of. So they were able to resist, especially since it was external threat; and the royalty and the academics of the unicorns both opened escape routes for druid/clanheads and cut off the aristocrats, leaving the junta to pull out for lack of support (and then Hurricane ended them). Then the first freezing and fleeing, then the New Land then the wendigos agaaaaiiiin, and leads into modern.

I'm not saying this is entirely where the show is; I'm saying the show has enough signs of what an anthropologist would see as a militant tradition to make it consistent to me.

Interesting. But I would expect just like real life all rules have their exceptions. In China Eunighs were not considered real men so they couldn't rule. That was the reason boys were castrated as they couldn't become rivals to the throne. However some of the most capable and intelligent ones became very powerful.
Maybe they had a stallion who became admiral of a powerful fleet. The most famous Chinese Eunough was Chang Ha who sailed through Asia with his powerful treasure fleet.

Oh, sure. In Rites of Ascension, another great fic out there about divinizing the world and the consequences thereof, they have this one Major Exception-type captain guy. I see it as being similar; males rise in either corporate/homefront stuff (Filthy Rich et al), or in specialized troops like the capital version of the Royal Guard. In that setup, Shining ISN'T an exception; he's actually a stereotype: this is where males should be militant, by expectation

Remember this isn't straight-up RGRE (which does miss things like Shiny and other guards, CEOs, etc.). It's based on a herd-socialization of horses, minus the bachelor herds, plus hypers. So where in -modern- society even unicorns and earth ponies organize external/mobile responses around soldierly lines, female led and female backbone, defensive ones are a more warrior/male line. _Different_ roles and restrictions.

That's where Shiny is considered to be an exception by a traditionalist and an obvious example of why sexism is bullshit to an equestrian progressive. He thinks, and strategizes when it comes to Guard Stuff, even if he's pretty happy-go-lucky and goofy in his private life. He was one of Celestia's top generals-- she's been doing her own version of affirmative action, but she doesn't do _tokens_, if the distinction is clear? And Cadance doesn't have him as just a kept stud; he's a part of the government.

A leader by mind and will, not just by passion. There have been others before him, that have paved the way for him. Imagine our own world's progress but put into that very different lens, and competing with a very stagnant society (I'd have to go into the reasons elsewhere but basically 'having to deal with the deathworld causes a certain clinging to Things That Work, and having mental work produce direct results splits your academics even harder than scientist/engineer) on the one hand, but a divinity present and openly getting out and pushing as much as she can without invoking revolts.

Continued in second post; please DM me about future questions about the society rather than about the story so I'm not spamming too much. ^^;;

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One bossmare or more often a council of bossmares, a stallion or two or so to protect the herd and interface between the bosses and the ones below, and the lower caste mare who are subordinate to both.

Males are slightly stronger than females -individually-. It's greater than the one in the real world, and hypers tend to make the distinctions more exaggerated. But even if the males were twice as strong and tough as the women (and they're not, even at the average hyper range), they're still heavily outnumbered. It's been a while, and I can't find my notes, but the range I remember is either 70% female births, 20% male births, and 10% hermaphroditic, or 60%/30%/10%. I believe the former. Fisher's principle doesn't apply, or rather, the cost to have a male or herm birth is not equal to that for a female due to 'costs' resulting from the magical disasters that made Epona. So less than half of the usual breeding population is present on one side.

Because of that slight 'oomph' advantage in pure physical (they're equal in mental and the magical side is all messed up) , far beyond even human dimorphism (which isn't as much as the normal person thinks but that's a different story), but their permanent minority status, and the fact that most alicorns identified as female at the point of incarnation the first time, when Epona was salvaged, the political setup isn't just a flip of what people imagine our gender hierarchy to be, nor does it come from either the same ACTUAL causes or the same SOCIAL causes.

Furthermore, because magic is magic, you could have, say, the strongest ten ponies of a generation being 9 hyper earth pony mares and 1 hyper unicorn male or whatever. This wouldn't change the actual _trend_; it's just that the range of strength and toughness doesn't have hard limits.

The Royal Herd is -all- bossmares except for non-married pets (and, well, one who isn't a pony), but that's part of Hopper's real job, to provide relief from their high stress duties (and hypers' high sex

So I guess they become less reasonable when they become too horny?

Add that to Twilight's charisma, burning curiosity, and the fact that she's using Hopper and the other Mane Five to romance Celestia (and Luna), and, well, she's always going to be pushy-pushy-pushy.

Twilight would also want to improve the art of bondage. She is a perfectionist and would try to improve their sessions just for the sake of improvement.

And freaky. In the main fic, the only time Hopper has surprised Teacher Twilight is when he tickled her-- she's too used to worshiping Celestia's feet or be using obscure equipment/her strength on her subs, so she wasn't prepared for it. Which, in Twilight World, means yay, good grade-- do better next time. He's never allowed to rest on his laurels.

That really sounds like Twilight. You got her personality down very well.

Thank you for the compliment. And, yep. She made the ACHERS or whatever the acronym was for bondage equipment. Basically, once the became alicorns (or always for AJ) the rest of the Mane Cast kept snapping their bonds even when they didn't want to, just like Twilight did occasionally with what Luna put her into.

Celestia had other means.

So she worked on the technology and developed rope-bindings that turn the sub's own strength against them; the harder you pull, the stronger the rope becomes. They've got built in failsafes too; they will snap cleanly if there's real danger/panic/the right type of safeword. She has ones with different failsafes or none that were farmed out to the various cops. She innovates a lot.

I don't see Fluttershy as being so complaint. I more see her primairy traits as caring. So I more see Fluttershy as a dom who tries to keep the subs comfortable and will advice her friends to tone it down when they go too far. Her own style would be very much like a mother. You can't live with her and also not without her. Maybe a kink unique to her would be a very parental style over-the-knee spanking and scolding. Something Dash would see as incredibly lame. However something like that can be incredibly effective if you do it well. You can help but agree with every one of her snides.
I actually think the one on who this would be very effective is Twilight.

Fluttershy would also do things like long term gentle tickling and orgasm denial. Fluttershy's tools are gentleness and subtleness. She is a caring individual first and foremost and would try to conjure up the image of a mother. In contrast to Twilight who is a stallward authority figure and source of wisdom.

That's a valid interpretation, and it approaches how my version of Fluttershy acts on the rare occasions when she does dom. I've chosen to go a different route. Like any hyper and especially an alicorn, she's got pushy sides, but they're routed into her own desire to be the cosetted type of sub, to be mothered or a broodie-mother rather than a boss-mama. But-- she has responsibilities, and she's grown as a person, so to the outside world, she's a quiet, but sincere, determined bossmare-- though there are critics, there are ALWAYS critics, even though she's a goddess now.

So like the stereotypical high-pressure exec who goes to a dominatrix to feel out of control or to let someone else do the work/take the power role, in her private life she plays up the lifestyle-sub. Much like Twilight this even increases to top from the bottom when dealing with an inexperienced or otherwise less forceful lover; her part of the training for Hopper, as it happens, is to increase his independence and spontaneity while keeping his gentle soul.

Mind you, Flutterdom as primary is perfectly fine-- it's all about how you want to write the character. This is just mine for my purposes.

Let's not even go with Pinkie yet; there's a reason she's Celestia's last challenge for the affiancing herd.

I do see Pinkie as weird but also most similar to Fluttershy. In having a very selfless way of doing it and putting the sub's pleasure above her own.

My Pinkie is mindbogglingly selfless and a total switch. Honestly, the dom/switch/sub dynamic doesn't even apply to her; even calling her a switch doesn't really get to the fact that she takes each event independently with the focus on Making Ponies (and other people) Happy! She's a reincarnating spirit of chaos and joy that Luna bound to a Promise to be ponies' friends aeons ago. She's becoming more Pony, and part of HER arc will be finding a stable balance.

I have a vision of Dash waking her dom up by riding their face (and expecting to be toppled/punished/something extreme going down) and cheerfully yelling, "Oh, come on! Pussy's the breakfast of champions!" or something like that. Again-- never let 'em rest. :)

Indeed. After all if Dash allows her dom to be complecent they might turn soft.

"Dude. Soft is not for stallions," Dash said with a smirk. "Oh, sure, a nice Kingpone-style top with some tubby squish? I'll take that, yum, if she's got some skillz. Even a he." Flipping her mane back, the athletic pony shrugs. "But that's better with a mare; with a dude-dude? You want 'em stiff and ready to fuck ya once they've 'tamed' you." Flexing follows, big and buff at least in the absence of the other princesses. "Never stay tamed though, mare that's lame."

Sudden panic fills Dash's eyes, and she swallows heavily, looking around hastily. She leans over to her conversation partner and makes another gulping motion. "Do not," she warns, "Under any circumstances tell Flutters or Pinkie I said that. Please?"

Anything further not-fic please take to DMs; I enjoy the convo but I don't want to spam-out myself. ^^;;

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Sent. Keep in mind that I haven't read your main story so I did have a hard time understanding some of your lore.

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it's fine. sorry I haven't gotten back to you by DM. Very sick right now, even more so than usual and noticeably.

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It's fine. I appreciate you making me know you haven't forgotten them.

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