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what the hell, i'll split this one too. the Fapstravaganza kicked the ass of my writer's block and i've developed a taste for fast output again
speaking of, if you want to see what a girl protagonist might be like with this premise, check out Bottomless Party
7461784 WOOOO! ...oh god Photofinish sounded like an SS operative on how conceiving she sounded about fluttershy haha!
Celestia is far from as innocent as people want to think, I mean it's easy to see where she controls information, just look to her sister and how a nigh immortal goddess went missing without people fully realizing it, and how they only remember her dark part. Nightmare Night which is clearly somewhat insulting to Luna. How quite a few things escape general knowledge, then again we forget plenty of things some people can't say the three major forces were in the Axis in world war 2.
One more thing!
How dare you keep making a compelling story! make it lame and feelingless clop! (i jest, good job you truly do good work here with making compelling characters!)
7461974 One always assumed that Celestia is evil for the part of many things that happened.
Since there is no information in the Cannon verse on could assume many things from Celestia and her use of power to manipulate information.
For example many had considered that the story of two sisters was just an "Old mares tale" and no one took it seriously during the one thousand years of the solar govern.
Other thing would be that Celestia decided to destroy any evidence of this tragic event, blaming everything to Nightmare Moon, because of the backfire that would bring for anypony that knew that one of the royal princesses had become a demon that wanted to succumb the world into eternal darkness.
Can somepony remain happy and calm knowing that one day the alicorn you love and trust becomes into a power hunger monster that could condemn you home and family with destruction?
I like how this is going you bring up good information about this world and this whole thing of Celestia's secret is keeping me on the edge of the seat.
Oh, I can't wait for the next chapter but I still have to.
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First I am not saying she is evil or anything, arrogant and manipulative is what I see and she isn't innocent, removing her sister entirely is far worse than per say claiming a dark and manipulate force had taken her, which isn't far from the truth, removing it entirely, and leaving only the nightmare part of things leaves a far more damaging things later than dealing with it right away.
Am not saying its bad or wrong, but she isn't innocent as the white falling snow, I don't dislike a clever leader or a manipulative one, I just don't like it when people don't give credit when it is due, Celestia is ultimately for good and high order (second of which I happen to dislike.)
You also need to remember, that people as a whole are easy to herd, even humans are. We can also argue she did that so she wouldn't look more like a saint, after all, its pretty clear visual cue wise, she doesn't care for her rank, she just likes to care for those around her. Celestia has always been a mother type of ruler which is more or less my issue, she is babying them and uses manipulation to enforce a high order rule. Freedom is chaos and imprisonment are order, in their most extremes. The truth is I just don't care for her as she seems to have a high dislike of hurting others excluding her enemies, as one author made a point to express, she might've been that way in the past and wants that forgotten for good.
Eh thank you for indulging me in a bit of spat, if you wanna go on we can take this to private chat, I'd rather not fill a story as good-hearted as this with conspiracy theories HAHA It really is fun to talk about it.
With all the supersizing, privateering, enhancement etc, you would think Pascals manipulation would be aimed at getting various shops to stock useable items of various type, with changing and trialling rooms, given Trixie and so other unicorns can just use a cleaning spell, the return to display therefore also being Normal?
Another good place for Pascal t work would be unisex sanitation and ablution facilities where heavy cleaning without spells is far simpler with movable shower heads?
Are they going to end up with Return Of Fluttershys Garden, where if they cant get Fluttershy, then given Rarity Takes Manhatten is running? Shy can end up on Pascal after the show for Photo once more?
Given the ratio of triggering spell, which will get more sensitive or more resiliant each times its used, to healing, just how much alteration did Pascal get, percentages or doublings?
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man it's like the story i'm writing and the story you're reading are two different things sometimes
And we see the first instant of Normalization working too well; Photo Finish doesn't bother asking for consent before casting enhancements.
Unless she's normally like that, in which case, no wonder they broke up.
Another excellent chapter.:D
Spitfire's point is a good one. Almost worryingly so. Up till now, I'd been on the side of Pascal, but she's right. There's no way to justify reprogramming an entire people just to save himself. Hopefully, a third way out presents itself.
How to solve all of pascal's long term problems in 5 minutes:
1) Walk up to random pony.
2) Tell random pony: "Who you are in your heart is a unique, special individual, and there is no-one that you should have to be but you, and as long as you look like what you are COMFORTABLE looking like, then it's OK that you look like that, even if someone else wouldn't want to look that way themselves. If you aren't hurting someone else or yourself with the way you are, then there's nothing wrong with being you. Now please go tell everypony you meet today that I said that about everyone, and ask them to pass the message on to anypony who hasn't heard it already."
3) Usher in a golden age in body image and self respect by reprograming a society to the benefit of those within it.
4) Take a shot every time a changeling undisguises in public and nopony minds.
5) Fine tune with minor alterations as needed via asking ponies to pass the message along as above. Or just PSAs.
Then again, I think Pascal's wisdom score isn't high enough to come up with that.
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except that still leaves pascal an abnormal perverted human in a world of ponies that would normally look down on him and his behavior
only now all the ponies are really self-confident (which pascal still is not)
the current problem isn't what ponies think of themselves so much as pascal fitting in with his perversions
also, such a message sounds nice, but what if one of the ponies in the chain bungles the message slightly? what happens then? what if a few ponies have a strange response to this 'normal' idea, like they believe it to be 'true' but don't have the confidence to apply it to themselves? it's been demonstrated a few times that normal imperatives can be received oddly, and some nuance and persistence is required to achieve a desired effect. ponies/people/psychologies are weird
the only widespread reprogramming we've seen in action so far is 'it's okay to bare your big breasts' via derpy. not exactly the collected works of socrates. we don't know what happens when something more complicated is attempted
it's funny to me that people think that pascal, a guy who hasn't had five minutes to himself since he arrived in canterlot, has time to come up with plans and insights as complex as those who are watching under no pressure with hours to spare
i mean he's not a genius. all things considered he's done okayish
7465891 Because the reprogramming statement there isn't quite just 'you are super self confident'. It indicates through the language that it's alright for everyone to be exactly who and what they are, as long as they aren't actually hurting anyone. I suppose the 'telephone' message could get garbled along the way, which is why you could, I dunno, refresh it by doing it to more than one pony throughout the day, and doing it to entire crowds at once. "May I have your attention please?" I mean honestly.
> How do I make it OK to be who and what I am when I'm not hurting anything?
... By making it OK for everyone to be who and what they are if they aren't hurting anything! If the most normal thing in the world is to be yourself, then...!
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but that wouldn't be sexy
:shrug:
tbh, as good as the point you make is, part of me will never agree with that idea. there's something cold, dispassionate, and dishonest to me about trying to solve the whole world's problems with a single magic silver bullet, no matter how well-crafted it is. that doesn't feel true to life and my experiences. that's just how my worldview works
7466148 Fair enough, but there's a whole morality question about just having that special silver bullet as it is. It's 'evil' to change a culture against its will even for its improvement, but it's also 'evil' to shirk the responsibility that the power implies. Really though in the end, intelligence is determining the best course of action, wisdom is coming up with your choices in your first place, I think. Pascal is intelligent enough, but not very wise. In the end though, this is just a sexy fic with a plot to keep it going, not a story with occasional sex :p
The... ENDINGDA HURTDA MEHDA PEANIESDA
Somehow, We get the feeling that Celestia is highly against more open sex due to her still being a virgin or something to that effect
Just realized the story description also omits "no consequences" in the "this story contains x" section. Shame, I was looking forward to an ending that kind of contained that.
ow
7464264 Definately a very grey outlook in here what with morality and such.
Wonder if there's a way for Pascal to force the Normal to accept that Pascal is already normal? Then again, it seems to be more heavily based on other's perception of Pascal, so he has to somehow convince everyone else that human Pascal is normal.
Also, kinda impressive that the past novel-length block of words isn't even 7 hours.
Celestia seems to be doing the best she can to prevent something bad that no one alive today seems to realize could happen again. It's really tiresome to see people who can't understand how difficult every single decision a leader has to make is shooting opinions off as if it were fact. People who don't understand how society works, how the usual sapient mind works, how running a large group works. The things that must be done to achieve the best result. They see everything through their own vastly narrow view and act as if that's how things 'should' be when they can't comprehend what it takes to get there.
Spitfire gets it, at least. Some part of Pascal gets it. Let's see if they can hit that third option.
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"Normal" is like a gestalt, a hivemind perception. Like 'society' itself is. There is nothing that is actually 'normal', only what people perceive to be the most common and acceptable thing. Anything not falling into that is shunned and ridiculed at least, if not forcefully ejected. I imagine this would be even greater in equines, as they are a herd naturally.
So not been following along that well, Just what are his 3 options?
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a) surrender to the power of the normal cutie mark, becoming the world's most normal stallion in body and mind, sacrificing his life and sparing the ponies from ultimate corruption
b) continue fighting the normal transformation for potentially the rest of his life, upending pony society until it's so perverted he fits right in
c) some kind of third option where he gets to stay as he is, a human in regular pony society with the power to tweak what is normal to potentially help others
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d) suicide, both sparing Equestria and a dying as himself rather than be transformed into something he is not.
It seems to me the one thing Pascal hasn't done yet is insist he is normal. Everything else he's doing is just distracting the Normal while he changes the status quo elsewhere. I imagine that might also be the end of his powers since that situation is definitely not normal.
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Single N for Canon
Can-non is the pew pew thing
Can-en is the story thing.
Wow!
You know what Photo, that stunt you just pulled has completely ruined the mood.
This is all very interesting. There is definitely something going on at sunset, I just know it. Whether Celestia is stalling for the Normal to transform Pascal or something else is happening.
Also I just got a scary thought. Humans were definitely around years ago. My question is, where did they all go? Then we have this Normal spell that makes the target normal and in Pascal's case, it will turn him into a pony.... HMMMMMM!!!!!
Ok this is getting interesting again I can't wait to get the truth from Celestia . Ijust getting more and more into the story as get goes,and Ihope that he grows and recharges becase of what happened at the end of this chapter.
Okay, let's see if I understood what I just learned. Forty years ago there's been a movement called Free Love which were protesting against the sex policies that restrains sex activities, right? Celestia kept silent for a while until she finally responded by giving the freedom to do whatever they want. However, as Hoity Toity mentioned, there's been consequences, like teenagers became pregnant and some of the population became sex freaks.
Please let me know if I got that right or not.
Anyways, now this is getting more intriguing with a little of backstory and geez I guess Celestia had good reasons to make such strict rules to avoid incidents by sex, but her methods are questionable. Still, it's possible to guess that the humans were in that world long time ago and I think they're the reason why the ponies look like sex gods and goddesses.
By the way the final part was hilarious, but man that really hurt me just by imagine how does that feel.
Lol to the MAX.
Every encounter really does throw a new challenge at him, and this one, however incidental, takes the cake.
On another note, I think Spitfire's comment on villainy and being stopped if he does try to make the wrong choice was rather...intriguing.
Her sense of duty and personality compels her to think the problem will basically sort itself out, indicating that, with her knowledge, she has ratisonalized that a person like him shouldn't be allowed to exist to make big sweeping changes.
If he freed her from his Normal, I have few doubts she'd be first up to the bat to challenge him.
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Actually, I think that the choice he's facing (without a third option) isn't really a choice at all. Even if the pony society is guilty of terrible and wildly nonspecific things, even if the planet itself brought him there through no fault of his own, even if he's just a poor sod who kinda got pulled into this mess without wanting to be... I don't think there are that many people who would just decide that destroying this society for their own survival was the option they were going with. That choice really isn't a choice at all. No matter how bad, the lives of everypony else still outweigh his own - I don't know anyone who wouldn't cave, when push came to shove.
He still deserves answers, and given the position he's in - also deserves the option to pass judgement before he shoves off. They owe him that much.
Actually, no. Wanting to continue living isn't evil, it's basic instinct. The issue is in him surviving being tangled with Equestria's society collapsing - much like it tends to be with bona-fide villains. If his choice was "die, or turn a mare into a slut", even I wouldn't have issues with that one (it stops being a moral problem, and becomes a logistical one - just find the one mare nobody wants and take her).
The issue isn't that him wanting to survive is evil, because it's not. It's what his surviving would do to Equestria that's problematic. Spitfire is confusing the two here.
It's the same reason why "evil sorcerers" want to live forever (i.e. avoid death). Who doesn't want to live forever? Who doesn't think there's so much they could do if they had the time? It doesn't matter if you want to see the world, cure cancer, or just play every video game ever released - there's always that one more day.
But yeah, I can excuse Spitfire a bit. She's a military leader, not a philosopher - and she's seen a few villains in her career, too.
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Plus punishing him because he can't help think certain things around pretty girls and the planet doesn't have an ugly girl as his eyes can see is really unfair too. He never tried to touch anyone against their will. So he might be getting a little carried away with this power but vs changing into something he not I might get carried away too and considering he been pretty decent about considering he could have gone total power mad by now.
This is an interesting viewpoint in being understandable and yet utterly false, for one simple reason: value calculations are subjective. A subject's evaluation of their own existence should be effectively infinite. Spitfire is trying to appeal to an objective standpoint, but 'objective standpoint' is an oxymoron to begin with.