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"ON THE LONGEST DAY OF THE THOUSANDTH YEAR, THE STARS WILL AID IN HER ESCAPE, AND SHE WILL BRING ABOUT NIGHTTIME ETERNAL" An alternate-universe continuation of Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality, wherein Harry learns of a different, ancient, powerful kind of Magic. Spoiler alert: It's Friendship.

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Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality :)

Here's a story I wasn't expecting. Off to a good start, thankfully I recently read Methods of Rationality so I can jump into this without being completely confused.

Very interesting so far. Will track.

Well, it probably won't work, but most crossovers shouldn't work either so i'll give it a shot.

My brain's autocomplete patternmatched this pinkie with a mirror mind like the sorting hat is in HPMOR. I'm not sure exactly why.

Just wanted to say I like what you've done so far, really interested to see where you take things with this universe. Hopefully, the wait for the next one won't be too long.

Great chapter love the explanations regarding the ponies. Of course since this is Rainbow explaing it we can't really be certain how accurate it is.

Yeah I guess from a certain perspective Fluttershy would come across as the perfect Slytherin which is just hilarious.

this is good. continue, please.

This is awesome. I love the idea that pony seasons might be only a few days long; that fits nicely with, among other things, the way the Running of the Leaves episode comes shortly after Winter Wrap-up. That episode's song does mention "three months of winter coolness", but that could be excused as an unusual or at least only this specific winter.

I was a bit surprised to hear (pony) Rainbow Dash mention "Sci-Twi", though. Perhaps that's nothing to do with Equestria Girls and just a coincidental nickname for the pony Twilight Sparkle when she starts geeking out?

Hahaha! I had been wondering how on earth you would justify Fluttershy as a Slytherin (I said as much on the Fanfiction.net reviews months ago when chapter 2-3 were posted). But now when she was talking to the snake I literally laughed out loud and said "Of course". Then you brought up the dark hints in Shy's personality (well, I guess Dash and AJ did earlier, and I missed that), and the mysterious "persuasive" moment in the hallway, and suddenly bam, yes, you've got a very persuasive Slytherin Fluttershy. Nicely done!

(I remember some commentator claiming that EqG Fluttershy had a bit more of a dark note to her than Equestria's Fluttershy - with moments like "The revenge?" in Sunset Shimmer's Fine Line - but the way you have it here works very well.)

As for Dash and AJ's earlier conversation... I'm very confused by the way they all talk about having been dead before. I don't know what to tie that together with.

I also wondered if there was a little hint in AJ's comments of how to match up the Elements of Harmony's various names as introduced in the second page of Rhapsody in Blue - we know that Generosity goes with Beauty etc, but how do they pair up with Time, Space, Power, Life, Love, Mind? "Kindness, healing, life" is a quote from this chapter that makes perfect sense as a triple of names for the same elements. AJ mentions there being "power" in honesty. The two of them mentioned "loyalty" and "bravery" quite a bit, but not any of the ancient element names.

My best guess then is:
Kindness - Healing - Life - Deathly Hallows
Magic - Sorcery - Mind - Diadem of Ravenclaw
Generosity - Beauty - Love - ??
Honesty - Strength - Power - Philosopher's Stone
Laughter - Hope - Time? - ??
Loyalty - Bravery -??- Space - Mirror of Erised

Well... that was really something. It was almost a slog to read through, but it definitely paints a more complete picture of things.

This chapter was alright, bit too much of an info dump. It was all very interesting but it was a bit too much to take in all at once. Hopefully, there aren't too many chapters like this one.

Well this is an unexpectedly pleasant surprise, good start so far, can't wait to see where this is going!

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Interestingly, this chapter was originally called "Memory Dump", but I decided it was a bit too inelegant. This is really the only chapter of this style.

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Glad you're enjoying it! To summarize this chapter:

Kindness - Healing - Life - Deathly Hallows
Generosity - Beauty - Space - Mirror of Erised (Tesseract)
Laughter - Hope - Time - Mirror of Noitilov/True Reflection
Honesty - Strength - Power - Philosopher's Stone
Loyalty - Bravery - Mind - The Mind Stone
Magic - Sorcery - Love - Diadem

Also if you look in the background of each Element in Rhapsody in Blue you'll see a symbol that corresponds to one of the "ancient laws" (the six fundamental scientific units)
Space - m - meter - Distance
Power - kg - kilogram - Mass
Time - s - second - Time
Life - A - ampere - Current
Mind - K - kelvin - Temperature
Love - cd - Candela - Luminous Intensity

Well that escalated quickly, feels like we missed a few scenes leading up to this moment.

She recalled from the instruction manual of her parents' chest freezer that it used around 400 kilowatt hours.

Per year.

She spent another moment in thought. "Well, Disco- I mean, um... Mrs. Maxim? When Mrs. Maxim said he was here because our friend got in over her head and needed help, you thought he was talking to you...

Hmm, that looks like a lie that screams "I'm a lie". What's the point?

"You're her friend, and you won't stop until you find her. If you were lost, I wouldn't stop until I found you. If I were lost, my friends wouldn't stop until they found me. If they were lost, their friends wouldn't stop until they found them. If their friends were lost, they wouldn't stop either."

The problem here is that succeeding at "not stopping until finding her" doesn't require success at "finding her" in the slightest. If I understand something about Harry's personality, his reaction to that won't be nice.

... the hell did I just read?! :twilightoops:

I don't know... but I like it!

This is certainly an interesting twist on HP-MoR

Wait.. Shy is in the Snake Den?

Well, that competition was pretty Quirrelly thing to do :rainbowlaugh:

Nitpicking time!

Until the soft, vaguely distant voice of Luna Lovegood cast a pebble into the otherwise still pond, "We look for Wrackspurts."

If I remember correctly, Luna is one year younger than them, and that's their first year in Hogwarts.

... or sparks will start shooting out from around the forest, in which case we make a run for it back to the Sanctuary ...

...triggering our own threads on the way, so any thread accidentally (or not accidentally) triggered by one of our or opposite team (or animal) has significant chance of starting false alarm chain reaction and destroying all our effort.

In that brief moment of calm, Harry shouted to the crowd. "MERLIN SAYS, THE RULES ARE FLAWED, WE ALL CAN WIN!"

What was preventing him from just shouting that from behind the tree, for example?

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If I remember correctly, Luna is one year younger than them, and that's their first year in Hogwarts.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1op3ZoNeflc
Gooooood catch. Time to rewrite that section!

What was preventing him from just shouting that from behind the tree, for example?

Turns out there are actually quite a few flaws in Harry's plan...

9636006 I don't think leaning on the fourth wall was the best way of resolving that, though.

Excellent ending to the new chapter!

"Of course." Daphne drew a pair of circles with her wand and spoke firmly, "Hocerat Triumphi!"

Couldn't she just stay outside with four of them and cast the spell herself without any need for communication?

Lavender shrugged, "Madame Maxime granted her special disposition to participate. Overheard her talking to Professor Quirrell, something about needing a dotty character for comic relief, and then something or other about her having a such a big role in some kind of rolling cannon?"

Luna already has a wand and is trained to use spells, so that's still underage magic.

The rules do not say, 'When one or more teams'.

Well, it follows from that rule that the game is ended, it just doesn't follow that both teams are winners. The worse problem here is that Quirrell could simply apply rule about everyone in the circle dying when opposite team's protectorates are entering to all of them (although that rule is a bit vague too).

"This is, I admit… unexpected." The Professor managed through gritted teeth.

Unexpected what? No one actually did anything significant yet.

"I suggest you determine which of you will give up your grade for the year quickly, as the two hours approach quickly.

Won't just sitting there and doing nothing gives Exceed Expectations to everyone since:

On the other hand, if you survive but your team simply loses, you shall earn an Exceed Expectations.

and

If the two hours elapse without a victor, then all four Protectorates, along with anyone not within the bounds of the Sanctuary, shall forfeit.

(although Quirrell may nitpick technicality about punctuation here, but he only said that, not wrote down)?

Just started reading, it's very nice.

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Couldn't she just stay outside with four of them and cast the spell herself without any need for communication?

If she did that, she would be outside of the Sanctuary when the game ends and would end up losing as a result.

Well, it follows from that rule that the game is ended, it just doesn't follow that both teams are winners.

Harry's plan definitely was not perfect, for several reasons.

Unexpected what? No one actually did anything significant yet.

Quirrell legitimately did not expect the willingness of so many of the students to blatantly sacrifice themselves.

Won't just sitting there and doing nothing gives Exceed Expectations

It would earn a grade of Poor. At the end of the two hours, all four Protectorates would be eliminated. As per the Professor, "If you survive and your team has failed your Protectorates by allowing them to be eliminated, you shall earn a grade of Poor."

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Hmm, that looks like a lie that screams "I'm a lie". What's the point?

Pinkie's goal with backpedaling wasn't an attempt to deceive Harry (since Harry already knew the true identity of "Madame Maxime"). Rather, it was just her acknowledgment of the fact that she slipped up by calling her "Discord".

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If she did that, she would be outside of the Sanctuary when the game ends and would end up losing as a result.

I still don't understand why that rule applies to her but doesn't apply to Pinkie in the same situation.

"Yes. We shall call it… The Limit of One Over X as X Approaches Zero Sack. Now, let's walk through what you need to do."

Bestest name I ever heard for such a bag or sack.

"Why, the elemental spirit of Chaos, of course! Pleased to meet you, my general."

-- This story has just become a keeper for me :-)

First: Great re-use of the original Hat Talk.

Second: "Another Apple, eh? I know just what to do with you! HUFFLEPUFF!"
Another Apple? Has A.B. been through this world? Was an earlier generation in here somehow?

Pinkie with intent to kill ... scary.

Seriously. Scary. capital S.

It’s alive once more! Nice to see you’re continuing this. This chapter did feel a bit off, though, and it took me some time to realize that many of the sentences here are copied verbatim from HPMOR. Before I understood this, the chapter had a very unsettling air to it. I don’t know if that’s intended.

This is good so glad it is not dead.

Hey NanashiSaito, is the final chapter of Orders of Magnitude finished? Last I checked it seemed to be missing the endings for some characters. If I remember right you said your word processor ate some of it?
http://www.2pih.com/uncategorized/orders-of-magnitude-chapter-32-the-day-after-tomorrow/

Also I would love to download Orders of Magnitude it would be cool if 2pih.com includes an epub of it or something. I would just download it from fanfiction.net, but that version the chapters are not in the final order.

I'm gald you have updated it. Hope to see more soon.

@Lightwavers - That was definitely the intent! The title "Notes of Conusion", in addition to being title-dropped, is a reference to the fact that something should feel "off" about the whole chapter.

@Hari Seldon- I'm actually also in the middle of writing a "Director's Cut" of Orders of Magnitude, that I hope to release on the 5th anniversary of HPMOR's conclusion (Mar 14). In it, I will include an updated version of the final chapter which expands on some of the endings, and includes a crucial segment that was supposed to be originally included that wraps up Perenelle's arc. There will also be an annotated version, where I explore the various references and fully explain just what the heck happened. As part of it, I plan to release an Ebook version (and update the long-since-defunct FanFiction.net version)

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Oh hey, Discord’s actually doing something. I like how you turned the mirror’s reversed words into an actual language, it always felt off when other HPMOR fanfics had Harry figure out that puzzle in like five minutes, tops. False comprehension is a super tricky thing to get around.

Also, if you want to reply to people, I recommend clicking that little double arrow box [>>] at the top right of a comment. It notifies the person, unlike using an @. And when you update Orders of Magnitude you might want to post about it on reddit.com/r/rational. I’ve been waiting to read that until an ebook version came out. :)

Do you think Eliezer Yudkowski will ever write that Friendship is Optimal fanfic he wanted to write?:

"Also, you have no idea how hard it is not to write my own take on the Optimalverse, which is something I’m not doing so I can put all my available writing energies into Methods. I want relationship credit for this."
http://www.hpmor.com/notes/progress-13-03-01/

Oh wow.

I did not see how you could bring about more tension than both the original HPMOR ending and the magnificent Unriddle the Riddles, and have Voldemort's plots go even deeper, but you managed to do that.

Marvelous touch either having the real Quirrel try to warn Harry, or having Tom Riddle fake it - I suspect the latter (given what he'd previously said to the Aurors), but I still feel the pathos of the former.

Having Draco sacrifice for the vow is cruel. Well told.

Well, this chapter was much more readable than that other one. Good chapter, funny ending. :moustache:

Upon seeing that the Mirror stayed in place, the Professor breathed a sigh of relief and entered the chamber alongside the five witches, careful not to allow himself to be reflected.

The entrance is inside mirror's field of view.

Hermione Granger's hands folded over her chest, her legs straightened, and her body drifted back down.

She's currently too short in a leg department for that :rainbowlaugh:

The Dark Lord spoke with high monotone precision

It's probably a bit too early to call him that.

Well, *CONGRATULATIONS*, you have removed magic from the universe, whos main feature is that it has magic. Along with some bullshit message about relying in magic too much despite the fact that we rely on laws of physics about as much. I can't belive i didn't see this earlier, what a fool I was.

The interaction with the hat almost felt forced with Rainbow Dash, as in she almost got sorted into Slytherin but went to Gryffindor at the last second. At the same time Rainbow obviously didn't care where she would go.

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