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Well, you've pandered to my soft spot for robots, that's for sure.

Only quibble's one that I'm sure could be resolved with additional story development - why is/has Tinman been tasked with what amounts to leveling Equestria? Is he supposed to be the hero, or the villain? Perhaps he acts because of means outside of his control - but I doubt it.
Likewise for Celestia - black hat or white hat? Is she guilty, or is she the victim of cruel happenstance? Because right now, there's no justification for this romping, and I'm pulling my "Why u do dis" face.

In short, you've gone and hooked me.

1204160 Thank you for your comments gentlereader. The answer to the question will be answered as the story unfolds. Regarding who is the true villain of this piece, perhaps Celestia said it best In truth, they were as much a victim of circumstance as her poor people in all this. As the story unfolds you'll learn whether Tinman and the other HWS's who invaded Equestria, Celestia, or the World Government are the true villians.

To learn more about who Tinman is I invite you to read the story that this fic is based off The Conversion Bureau: The Reluctant Cyborg. I think you'll find how he's treated Celestia and the Equestrians, gentle compared to how he acted in chapter 4.

Look forward to tomorrow gentlereader, when I release chapter 1. Until next time!

1204209 Thank you for your comments gentlereader. Which reference in particular?

This is fascinating, and clever, TalonMach5. I like the Rod Discord narrator too!

Oh, what you could do with this. I will be looking forward to it. It is also very interesting to see Tinman, who I greatly adore, in a new light.

That no immigration is possible until pontification

Erm...
Pontification
I believe you meant 'ponification' or 'purification'.
:rainbowlaugh:

1204218 Thank you for your kind comments Lady Chatoyance. I'd had the idea of doing Twilight Zonesque type narration for quite some time. Rewatching The Obsolete Man made me decide to do the narration for the story in this manner. After rereading The Conversion Bureau: The Reluctant Cyborg I realized that the level of writing in that piece was beyond me. I have no idea how I managed to write it after allowing the story to lay fallow for 3 months. So I decided attempting to reinterpret Tinman in an entirely new setting was what was required. Hopefully I don;t disappoint in that regard. Enjoy chapter 1 with my complements when I post it tomorrow.

As always thanks for reading. Until next time!

1204228 Thank you for your comments gentlereader. Alas I must admit my embarrassment at having missed such an error. I have corrected the error in haste. You have my deepest gratitude gentlereader. Beyond the glaring grammatical hijinks how did you enjoy the prologue?

1204247 Very interesting! Never imagined I would see Tinman in this light, but all the more power to ya! Also, good job with the word count. Nice neat number, that is :twilightsmile:

That's exactly how I imagined the possible consequences of 'The Conversion Bureau'. The basic idea of ​​conversion is that humans can not survive contact with the barrier, or magic-filled environment Equestria.
The main problem is that this information comes from only one side. If confirmed by the opposite, namely that the world Equestria is suitable for human life. Well, consequences you described very accurately. Human beings, as such, responds to lie very badly. And in a lie of this magnitude (sadly shakes his head), the whole rest of mankind practically put into a murderous rage.

So I can only praise your description of this alternate universe. And bow to your courage, I would be afraid of a negative reaction. Even though it seems so far that I feared nothing. My mistake.

The only thing I do not agree with what is a state Mane 6. This does not deserve. And what actually happened them and the other ponies? According to the description it sounds, that was done on them lobotomy. Or are they the consequences of shock?

And what will follow in the next chapters?

You've made me believe in the quite horrific results of losing to war waged by men. I have no qualms that the firepower you posit in the reluctant cyborg would level most of Equestria if the entire world's armies were brought to bear on a single target.

I do wonder, though, how you're going to explain Celestia losing quite so badly - unless you're playing her as more "powerful monarch" than "goddess". I guess we'll see.

You're show a few systematic issues with walls of text and misplaced commas, so you need a good editor (but then, don't we all) and that's making it rather clunky to read, but I'm quite sure you'll pull no punches on either side. I've got a horrible feeling you've lobotomized the ponies somehow. That really amps up the terror and despair.

Quite bleak, not sure if want (just because it sounds like it's going to be soul-crushing from here on it), but I'll keep an eye on it.

1204358 Thank you for your comments gentlereader. That's the angle I was going for with the capabilities I had written Tinman and the other HWS's with. Humanity in this case wasn't really in a murderous rage, if they had been they would have out right killed instead of offering a potion of their own to the equestrians who offered resistance.

Regarding this being a courageous piece, I don't really think so. Anyone could write violence, for violence's sake. In fact quite a few anti-conversion bureau fics do. Now if I ever ended up writing romantic clop, that would be courageous. I'm much too afraid of what my family might think if they discovered I'd written anything pornographic. The sexual content of this piece is so tame I almost didn't add the sex tag, but decided technically its there so needs to be properly tagged. I plan on marking the sections so those who are uncomfortable can skip past.

The reason I wrote the mane six the way I had several reasons. 1. They have mostly been the face of the conversion bureaus. Like high ranking Nazi officer's. the mane six were considered enemies of the state just like Celestia.
2. The Elements of Harmony were considered weapons and had to be eliminated from the equation.
3. By breaking the mane six, Celestia would be psychologically affected.

Discovering what happened to the residents of Ponyville will be revealed, probably in chapter 2.

As for chapter 1 once I've done my polishing and final edit you can read it and find out about it for yourself.

Once again gentlereader, thanks for reading. Until next time!

1204623 Thank you for your comments gentlereader. Ton answer your question I consider Celestia in all my works a goddess. The Celestia in my Reluctant Cyborg universe is not quite as powerful as the one presented in The Great Slave King, but she's still divine. I plan to go into detail explaining how her great power failed her, when facing the onslaught of Tinman and his army of HWS's. I think had humanity decided to send in a conventional army they would probably have lost badly. However due to the hostile way that human technology and equestrian magic interact with each other, Celestia and the other great powers of Equestria were in for quite a surprise once the actual combat began.

Regarding my grammatical errors, my apologies. I do try, but I guess this attempt was rather poor. I'll strive to make future chapter offend your eyes less.

Regarding the captured residents of Ponyville, I decided to turn the idea of potion on its head with the humans having a potion of their own to share with the Equestrians.

Regarding the bleakness of the piece, I've already shown the horrible outcome of the fighting, now I just have to show you the gentlereader, the steps that were taken that allowed this tragedy to take place before showing the results of Celestia's trial.

As always thanks for your comments, critique, and just plain being awesome. Until next time!

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It's a a good deal of "do not want" because it's starting from a position of absolute destruction of everything held dear in Equestria, and I'm not sure it can get better (gathering what else is already going on to the Equestrians). The reverse potion, if it's a lobotomy, is utterly, utterly evil because it results in something that doesn't even sound sentient.

Is this what it feels like when people read my shattered worlds stories? :applecry:

1205111 well the whole point of this side story was twofold. One I needed to relearn the thinking process behind Tinman before I can continue with The Reluctant Cyborg. Second I wanted to tell a story much in the same vein as Rod Sterling would tell an episode of The Twilight Zone. The Obsolete Man in particular, although the realities of such a society are absolutely horrible, the story it tells is a poignant one. While there will be much violence, I will also take care to leave room for compassion. As Celestia put it they (the HWS's) were as much a victim of circumstance as her poor people in all this. Unfortunately in war, there are never any winners only survivors.

But fortunately for us this particular tale is only a 'What if' scenario. An academic exercise in delving into the unknown, right here in the Twilight of our Outer Limits.

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Oh, I have no doubt you will do it justice, and take things to their logical (if painful) conclusion. And after all, this is but one Equestria and one Earth among many. I just can't help but cringe when characters I know and love get the thermonuclear end of the stick. :fluttershysad:

1205161 I promise you that no thermonuclear weapons will be employed, the radiation is always too troublesome.

1205032 "Humanity in this case wasn't really in a murderous rage" Really? And what does the deployment of the army of cybernetic machines of mass destruction and tactics to destroy everything in sight?

Well, I think that is a matter of opinion.

1. Truth. But they knew about the lie, or just blindly believes their princess?
2. Rather halves weapons, without those gems are only mares.
3. So that's one hundred percent certainty.

I'm curious. But I hope that people show some compassion. I mean, when they look at the ruined Equestria and the huge amount of dead ponies, do not ask, eventually themselves. "We really had to do it this way? Costs revenge for all this?" Just if he shows human conscience?

1205173 1205161 What thermonuclear weapons, when are here Tinman and other HWS? They are much more devastating.

1205242 If you would like to see murderous rage, read chapter 4 of The Reluctant Cyborg. In this case they took prisoners. I'm sure in doing so many provisions of the Geneva Convention had been violated, but somehow I think the World Government is fine with that.

Well to answer your questions:

1. Well the answer to who knew what hasn't been shown quite yet. Perhaps only Celestia knew or the entire Equestrian population was in the know. I think however we'll find that the truth of the matter lies somewhere in the grey middle.
2. The Elements of Harmony also known as the Mane Six, beyond being just the bearers of the the elements of themselves were the public face of the Equestrian movement into establishing the conversion bureaus. I'm sure your familiar with the infamous speech that Twilight Sparkle gave that engendered so much hate towards the very idea of the conversion bureaus.

"Our plan is to ponify you, the sooner the better. Expect this to happen when you least expect it. You'll get used to our culture, our food, and our lack of thumbs. Trust me, it's easier than it looks. Because humans can't handle the magic radiating from Equestrian borders, becoming a pony is crucial to expanding the peaceful, friendly aura that surrounds Equestria every day of every month of every year. Thank you."

In this particular case Twilight is no better then Joseph Goebbels.

3. I think we can ascertain by her reaction, Celestia was deeply affected by what sh saw on her long walk to meet with Tinman.

By showing compassion I mean the kind that can be found all around us. Perhaps a soldiers lays down his weapon and refuses to participate in the slaughter, the consequences be damned. Maybe a pony actively works with the humans to stop the barrier against their government because they believe they have been wronged. Maybe humanity can find it in their hearts to forgive Equestria.

You ask some poignant questions gentlereader. Could this whole tragedy have been avoided? Did humanity really have to go to war over the lie, even after Equestria provided them with a way out.

Hopefully we'll discover the answers to these questions and more, as we explore the Twilight of our Outer Limits together.

1205268 Indeed you are correct. The unstoppable onslaught of these killing machines systematically destroying everything in their path is sure to make every last pony quiver in abject terror.

1205339 "The Reluctant Cyborg" I read the whole and eagerly waiting for the next episode.

2. Yeah, I read. It was one of the reasons why me the whole "conversion" idea came suspect.

Who knows? Maybe from Equestria, there will be a protectorate and Celestia will only be imprisoned (death is not the harshest punishment). Japanese and Germans after World War II, also got a chance, although many wanted to see exterminated.

I just think most people would say. "Revenge is not everything."

1205383 Thank you for your comments gentlereader. Yes I do have the tendency to sometimes overuse adjectives. I'll probably do some tightening up over the week before submitting chapter 2.

Regarding the ponies, humanity had a potion of their own to give to those who resist. Those who willingly submit to humanities rule would in all likelihood be spared. Regarding the ponies reactions to the truth, you'll just have to wait and see.

As always gentlereader thanks for your comments. Until next time!

giz

lobotomy? have sufficed separated from the jewels, was a cruel, though I admit that the story intrigued me

Pd This post was written with the help of google translator

You chose a realistic approach, which means that we shall be seeing a repeat of history.

I shudder to think of it.

I just wonder which history it will most resemble. Humans are historically a vengeful lot, so this could be truly horrific.

Fascinating premise, though. And I liked the daring of the interspecies relationship. It challenges one.

So the World Government is about to go Barbarossa on Equestria. And this is benevolent condescending Celestia version.

1217717 Thank you for your kind words Lady Chatoyance. Well I think that the shadow council might have some regrets eventually, if only Mr. Green had more influence among his peers. When they draw the sword that is known as the God of War, it can't be sheathed until it has tasted blood of its enemies.

While war in its own right is terrible, often every cloud has its silver lining. Maybe with removal of every HWS from the Earth mankind might actually have a chance to force change against their corporate masters. On the other hand, the teeming masses might only receive the imprint of their steel toed boots on their back.

Regarding the interspecies romance, thanks I was really worried it might be overplayed. I have no idea how to write love, women, or romance, and I was afraid I was going to end up in Harlequin territory. I truly had no intention of writing about it either, and then bam I was forced to by that little minx Floating Point. Though I think its sexy how much she likes science and blowing stuff up. Out of curiosity, do you think I was too graphic with the sex scene? I thought a clinical approach was probably the best way to go, to avoid offending anyone.

Once again thanks for reading. Until next time!

1218283 Thank you for your comments gentlereader. Interesting you should mention Barbarossa, as in Operation Barbarossa perhaps, or more the crusading king? While this version of Celestia might appear condescending, I think her summation of humanities government is apt. There's no way she could ever allow humanity to live among her ponies, without some means of making both groups equal to each other. She's well aware that many of the elite among her ponies consider humanity inferior to them, given towards humanities propensity for war, violence, and the current condition of the Earth. And humans, if allowed into Equestria carte blanche would soon bring the vestiges of their horrid government with them. Equestria could afford to absorb a small number of humans unchanged, but not the entirety of their population without being overwhelmed.

Thanks for reading gentlereader.Until next time!

To me, the relationship did feel a little fast, both in terms of the time it took for both parties to realize it was more than deep friendship and in terms of how little was devoted to any moreal qualms either of them might have felt toward such a relationship in the first place. But, after reading it a second time and your author notes, I understand it was your first real foray into this. As someone who has been planning for some time to explore the subject of inter-species relations, I understand how difficult it is to write properly and applaud the effort you did put into it. I do hope to see it make a return in the future, as it does make for some very interesting and thought-provoking reading.

1227121 Thank you for your comments gentlereader. Yes emotions, especially romance has never been my strong suite. In fact this piece was never supposed to have any of that mushy stuff in it. Unfortunately since chapter 1 was devoted to showing how humanity discovered the backdoor into Equestria, the relationship that Floating Point and Dr. de Lancie shared was by necessity rushed. Since their relationship isn't really the focus of the story, but more ancillary I fell that their relationship can be looked at facsimile of the Humanity/Equestria relationship. One born out of necessity, and in the heat of the moment. Neither Floating Point or Dr. de Lancie knew what the outcome of the relationship might become but decided to live as if tomorrow might never come.

Once again gentlereader thanks for reading. Until next time!

1228172 Thank you for your comments gentlereader. The reasons that Dr. de Lancie chose Floating Point and Equestria over Humanity was because of what he feared would happen. He's not ignorant to the kinds of people in power, the corporate run world government runs things with an iron fist. The only reason why the powers that be even are bothering with ponification is because there was no way past the barrier. As a moral human being, his conscience wouldn't allow him to be the one that gave the world government unfettered access to Equestria. He felt it would be better if he kept the secret. As for the romance, I hadn't really planned on it turning out like it did. Originally I was going to make Dr. de Lancie betray Floating Point. She slowly wins him over, and then discovers the wormhole. They present their findings to the H.E.S.S. board and then the truth is revealed. The trap them both, and demand that Dr. de Lancie makes a choice. Either he shoots Floating Point to keep the Equestrians from discovering the truth, or he dies along side her. In the end he picks up the gun they offer him, and carefully considers it as she looks up at him with pleading eyes. Moments later he pulls the trigger twice. Putting both rounds in Floating Point's head, as the other humans congratulate him on making the correct choice. Then fade to the narrator.

I decided it would be more fun to make it be Floating Point the one who betrays him instead, and in the end not only betrayed the person she loved but also her fellow ponies, Princess Celestia, Equestria, and most importantly herself. If their relationship was going to be a more prominent fixture of the story I would have stretched it out over 3 or 4 chapters. But I know what everyone came to read and it wasn't poorly written romance, but giant death dealing machines.

Thanks for your comments gentlereader. Until next time!

1229873 I will agree with you that it it was wrong for Celestia to obfuscate the truth behind the true nature of Equestria. But could you really blame her? A population of probably under 500 million ponies who are technologically inferior, versus a population of at least 9 billion humans who have the means and are currently fighting meaningless wars over profits margins with weapons that could only come from their nightmares.

I've always envisioned Celestia as nothing but compassionate and benevolent, with the protection of Equestria is her primary motivation (she did banish her own sister to the moon after all). Perhaps if Humanity and Equestria had the proper time to woo each other a more equitable relationship could have been achieved, instead of the hasty Hobson's choice of ponification or die. A being so full of compassion could never allow sentient beings to become extinct without at least trying something to save them, while at the same time protecting her own realm from their more caustic influences.

Sorry if the story so far has been annoying you, I promise that you'll enjoy the next chapter much more. But out of curiosity were you Celestia's place how would you have run things? Would you have allowed full scale immigration with potion like her? Limited immigration for a select few? Or whole sale immigration for all consequences be damned, and live with the fallout?

1230458 Yes I'd agree with you that most people are inherently good, with the jerks who managed to get to the top as being the ones who give everyone else a bad rep. As far as the ponies are concerned, as much as I enjoy Chatoyance's dystopia setting in her conversion bureau universe I never bought into the whole notion that ponies are any better then humanity. Which is why I always write a few characters who always proclaim their supposed moral superiority to humanity either in the way of pride or pity. I'm sure without the benefit of Celestia watching over them, within a few generations the ponies would be well on their way to society much like humanities.

Dr. de lancie, reference to John De Lancie (actor behind Q and Voice Actor for Discord)... i like

1234167 Thank you for your comments gentlereader. You're the first to catch the reference. I originally was going to have the good doctor actually be a humanized Discord to explain the divergence between this story and The Reluctant Cyborg. I had originally wanted to actually start off with chapter 6 of The Reluctant Cyborg and have Tinman doing his search for the unicorns as he flew over Phoenix until he finds himself frozen in midair. Checking his sensors he discovers that time has frozen. As he wonders what the hell just happened, the camera would pull back revealing Discord sitting on a recliner eating popcorn and drinking chocolate milk. He had paused reality cause it was getting too boring. Tinman demands to know whats going on and Discord laughs and says that the story was getting trite and predictable and he was going to spice the movie of the week up by making a few changes. Tinman annoyed of having to deal with his shenanigans refuses to play along until Discord promises him what hes longed for. The war to end all wars. Tinman thinks for a moment and says okay I'm in.

As you can see I decided to go with my Rod Sterling Discord telling his little parables for each chapter. Out of curiosity how did you enjoy the rest of the chapter? I know the romance was a bit weak, but that because I needed the betrayal to happen at the end of the chapter so I could get back to Tinman.

Once again thanks for reading. Until next time!

The chapter's a little rough, but damned good. Some missed punctuation, nothing major.

The road to hell is always paved with good intentions, something I believe Floating Point is well aware of, now.

1252877 Thank you for your comments gentlereader. What parts of the chapter did you consider rough? Is it the rushed nature of the romance, or perhaps the pacing?

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Chapter felt slightly rushed, but it also had it's share of straight grammatical errors.

I admit, the one thing I'm now looking forward to is this:

"Tinman?"

"Sugar Pie?

Given the hell he is about to unleash, their next meeting will prove to be very interesting. After all, it's hard to justify genocide to someone you care about, even in the slightest.

1260730 Thanks for your comments gentlereader. Yes their next meeting should prove interesting. Though this wont be the first time he's unleashed carnage on this scale. In yesteryear he was responsible for the deaths of many of his fellow humans. But seeing as how the stated mission is to bring Celestia to justice, I don't think this quite counts as genocide. He's saving the lives of all the ponies stuck on Earth after all.

Once again gentlereader, thanks for reading. Until next time!

1260751 That is true, but given the fact that I don't think the ponies on Equestria proper are going to take this lying down, even if they stand no chance. Tinman will exterminate them all. even if the species itself survives, there's likely going to be enough casualties to legally qualify as a genocide.

1260782 I can only tell you gentlereader, to wait and see. Whether or not Tinman will embark on a systematic slaughter against all of the native Equestrian species or simply perform a surgical precision strike against Celestia to achieve his goals.

1260873 Thank you gentlereader for your succinct yet poignant comment. Was there anything more awesome than the awesome average, that caught your attention?

1260882 Nah not really. I just stumbled upon both stories not long ago. You had no problem falling back into writing Tinman. I find his point of view of the world around him fascinating. I'm impressed at how you've portrayed the world in this story. The idea of a shadow government may be cliche, but it works oh so well, both in books and real life.

Wow! I stayed up all night before an exam day! Thanks for that!:twilightoops:

As for the chapter itself, it drew me in big time. Played on my emotion. Made me believe that Tinman truly is the God of War. And not just Wars of Arms, but Wars of Word as well. From the battle in his mind, to laying the Verbal beatdown on Haliburton, Haliburton's lawyers, and the SEELE rip-offs (especially getting Mister White killed). In short, this chapter was nothing less then badass!

And that may well be a problem, if this is setting a precedent. For there's no denying, within the context of this chapter alone, Tinman was the text book example of the quintessential Gary Stu. Everything goes his way, and the only time it didn't involved SEELE (I refuse to refer to them as anything else). Even then, the SEELE kowtowed to his every wish once he was in there presense. He even got them to kill one of their own.

The World revolved around him. He has a fast track into Celestia's brain, and the Shadowy World Counsil did everything in the power to acquire his services, going so far as to kill Mr. White. If this is setting a precedent, it's a bad one.

Also, I loved Celly's strange mix of apologetic moral reluctance and fanatical self-righteous assurance. She fits right in with Systemsverse Celly :ajsmug:

I'm on the edge of my seat, waiting to see what happens next.

I am assuming that you will be portraying Celestia and Luna as significantly less than deities - you basically are required to, I think, by the apparent trajectory of this story. If you don't choose to vastly nerf Celestia and Luna, then the end of any conflict becomes forgone - which does not in any way suggest it to be uninteresting, just inevitable. I am guessing you will be nerfing them severely, for dramatic purposes. Only reasonable, I suppose.

I have been contemplating just what highly trained ponies could do to combat such an army, and at first I reasoned: nothing. But then I thought about what ponies really are - superheroes, every one of them, in terms of powers and abilities. Still, though, not one of them is invulnerable, and they can be killed easily enough. But then I thought about the unicorns and their telekinesis, even the least of them. And then I thought one name. Sue Richards. Of the Fantastic Four, Marvel Comics.

Despite her offensive power only being mere telekinesis, Marvel itself once declared her to be the most dangerous and lethal fighter in the whole of their stable of heroes. It takes a while, and a bit of imagination, to grasp why this is a reasonable assessment, but once it is seen, she is more terrifying in any given moment than even Galactus.

If you take that tack, then Tinman's army could be in for a truly nightmarish fight, even without Celestia and Luna being deities. In my stories, unicorns make up thirty percent of the pony population. That is a lot of Sue Richards.

In short, what I am saying is that my initial assessment of ponies being weak was shortsighted on my part.

The upcoming slaughter (That's the spirit!) - and if there is fighting, I cannot see anything but a slaughter of Armageddonic proportions - must, even with massive pony nerfing, be nothing less than epic, in my imagination.

Clash of the titans, indeed.

1263289 Thank you for your comments gentlereader. Tinman has nearly a century of experience, his contract in particular was created for as a poison pill should Halliburton ever try to burn him. The only real concession the council gave Tinman was in killing Mr. White. They were already planning on letting him run the operation, and the ponies on Earth weren't really a concern. In actuality they played Tinman, they secured his services and rid themselves of a troublesome member of the council. They already had the HLF on board for the invasion, so Mr. White had just become redundant.

Tinman is stuck with leading an invasion he doesn't really wish to lead, fighting against an enemy he doesn't really want to fight. The reason for his interaction with Celestia's mind is because, she has been sending subliminal messages to everyone's mind while they sleep. Tinman is only aware of it because hes stuck decompling himself. Until the wormhole occurred he was stuck reliving the same nightmare over and over.

As far as the council is concerned, I can see where your coming from though. I'll just play as this they consider Tinman worth the price, and he just that much better then the fleshbags. Hes metal and strong, they are flesh and weak. Because this is a parallel work I have a bit of a fit trying to keep both works self contained. But besides, you didn't come here to read about a bunch of weak humans you want explosive robot action! Which you will be seeing in short order next chapter. There will be blood!

Once again thank you for your comments and critique gentlereader. Until next time!

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