820261 I'm not sure where you think I'll be taking it... but I will say this: Penthouse Pauper is not only cloppy as hell, but LOADED with over-thinker bait, and sets up a great deal, some of which may not even be explored in this book.
Yes, I realize that makes it sound like there'll be another, but I'm learning SO MUCH about the secret lives of some of these damn ponies, and dear Celestia the drama they've set themselves up for...
As always, I find myself reading this less and less for the clop and more and more to see where the characters are going, what they do, and where their complicated lives will lead them.
820966 It's nice to have BOTH. Rarity and Applejack do love each other. They're trying very hard to make it work, not least because they turn each other on somethin' fierce, physically and with a sort of crazy odd-couple mentality. But they just do not approach things in remotely the same way, and it's not really getting any better as they continue... there's only one pony that really seriously can relate to where Rarity's coming from, and the fact that she's with Twilight is shortly to be the LEAST obvious problem there...
By god I love the way you write Rarijack. Before this story I never thought I'd relate so strongly to Rarity.
Wait, hold on, the parallels with this relationship are kind of scarily numerous when I think about
Uh, enough about my personal life.
Here I was JUST about to comment on how you left me hanging re: the consequences of Applejack's lack of a safeword-- I was thinking she'd wake up and be upset about Rarity not understanding how no means no-- and now not only have you given me a Rarijack chapter without answering that, you've gone and made the behind-the-scenes of the relationship even stranger.
Dat foreshadowing with RD. Not that there hasn't been references before, just it was, clearly, a lot more obvious and frequent in this chapter.
Really, though, for me I'm more worried about Dashie in the present then her future relationships. She's painfully broken right now, and it's hard to watch. There's that feeling of hopelessness, that nothing can change. It's an illogical feeling, but one we all feel from time to time nonetheless....
823538 Applejack ain't stupid- just because she is undeceptive to the core doesn't mean she can't see what Rarity is doing there, and she's trying her best to reshape herself in a way that'll work with that charming, complicated mare (with the humongous futa package that's so damn impressive)
She's failing. But she's trying very hard, to the point of weeping when she 'lets Rarity down' and can't go along with it. She REALLY wants a romantic foundation under her life after the horrible disruption of 'Rainbow has been going out with my brother the whole time' (woops, not true). What it is, is less important- she wants that bedrock to be there at all costs, knows Rarity is quite wonderful, wants to BE and to have that foundation for Rarity.
823939 I was gonna attend to that in this chapter but the rarijack expanded outwards into a whole series of romps and took up all the space. And Dash's feeling is not illogical, and I'll explain why... Twilight is going to look in on her and have a little talk. I don't know whether she's gonna be able to shake Dashie's funny ideas 'cos that's one stubborn little pony, but there's no way she's leaving without giving her a hug- I got a feeling there's catharsis comin', even if the true resolution isn't arriving yet. I don't mind admitting it's tough setting everything up- They're all going through their processes- it's pretty obvious what the biggest story arc is (anypony who read Trixie gets it) but to do it properly ya gotta know all their hearts and feel it in your gut along with them when the big crisis and terrifying moment of ultimate truth arrives. 'And then they kissed and made up and it was all better' simply won't fly. I mean, Dashie put herself in such bad situations she was wing-raped! Her bit blew up because that's about what she was ready to do to him. Instead, she got hit with something totally beyond her ability to handle. And everybody thinks the Dog was the nicest thing ever. And so does he, and he had no way of knowing he was doing anything wrong. And Dash KNOWS he couldn't have known. And yet still... these are the things she is processing. To my dear troubled deeply moral clopmonger Biologic Orthodoxy- this is how I deal with stuff like that. Yes, I just had virtually everypony cheering and wanting to hug the Dog that wingraped Dashie because of how much he meant well and felt good feelings for her. And I totally see his side- but I didn't forget Dash's side, and I will not shrug it off. She went to great, great lengths to manufacture the situation where that happened. She was really betraying- attacking!- a part of herself. She's aware of what she's doing now. I've got to honor both sides of her- both the wild out of control side that's suddenly in check, and the vulnerable Dashie side that's mortally hurt now. (they share the same heart- that's her problem.) And that's why 'outsider' Twilight with her sweet 'safe' obviously vulnerable streak is going to see Dashie- one of the few ponies who can get through to Dash's deeply hurt side. All this is a lotta work, but while I'm off at Bronycon I guess you can have a little behind-the-scenes here, at what's going on. Folks who've asked 'how can you DOOOO this with such simple words?', this is how that's done. I showed what that scene meant to Dashie, plain as day. You saw both sides at once, and you've been seeing Dash work through what happened to her every step of the way. She just never put it into those words.
Your knowledge and comprehension of the human mind and heart are frighteningly powerful. The level of theory of mind you work with consistently astounds and humbles me. How in Equestria did you gain such clever interpersonal insight?
I cannot picture you as a typical author on this website, some 20-something dabbling in pathetic scribbles or disparaging talent vastly beyond their own. With each chapter you have established yourself as uncommonly aware and astonishingly skilled. I am fifty-two, I am considered to be an excellent judge of character and exceptionally learned, and you are consistently teaching me new things on a regular basis.
You have plumbed depths of character I could not have imagined before reading your works, in ways I would have found difficult to believe possible until seeing your work. I have no great statement to make on this chapter, but I just feel compelled to elucidate how impressed I am.
You are brilliant, I expect you comprehend that, but it never hurts to hear it.
824375 Oh, Chatoyance, I love you SO much now I cannot possibly go to the Bronycon writing panels feeling sulky and overly obscure when confronted with all these poni authors (lots of whom I earnestly love) with ten times the readership and poni-celeb status.
Sometimes you only need that one special reader who can make you understand that they get it (and speak for others who are less willing to leap out and proclaim their fanliness).
I try where possible to do the same when I see writing (I think most recently with RazedRainbow- and, oddly, Standard Namespace over 'Animal Husbandry') that I think is truly wonderful- I don't want to start fights in the process but it feels very important to say 'hey- you've hit on something that goes to the heart of why we even do this writing thing at all. Go forth and keep doing writing stuff, with confidence and care'.
Because you need both- confidence without care means you don't go back over the chapter four or five times grooming details and fixing slip-ups, but care without confidence steals your ability to risk- and without the bold leaps into your own story, it doesn't have the energy. You can't put that spark in with line-editing. If it ain't there, you're marking time or correcting papers that happen to be your own.
Thank you for being my Element of Confidence, Chatoyance. Which doesn't mean you can't fuss over lapses and wilful decisions when I make 'em! It's just that you _get_ it- I throw 'em, you catch 'em, even when it hurts your hooves. Love you
824096 Well, I agree it's not illogical for her to be feeling the way she is, it's a completely natural reaction. But that's the point I was trying to make, we don't feel our emotions with logic. She's at one of those points where she's in such a state of despair that she can't see herself recovering. There's so many inner conflicts and complex emotions that it gets overwhelming and we shut down.
I'm not sure why I'm arguing with you on that topic, since I'm sure you're better versed in it than me, who just came up with this in a span of a minute. For the sake of conversation and clarification then, I guess.
824510 I just want you to know that I've loved you from the beginning of Trixie's ! My commenting started to fall on the wayside because of real life and also because of how.... intelligent everyone's conversations always are in your comments. I use common sense, but I wouldn't call myself "smart", so it was intimidating to see all the psychoanalysis people were producing in the comments. I was scared I'd look stupid . Anyway, the point of that was, I've always been here in the shadow's, and believe me when I say that I'll always be around when Applejinx is involved!
If I remember correctly Rarity said she hadn't had a proper orgasm in years, but in this chapter she was shooting sparks, if only weakly. I don't know what this is gonna mean for Applejack, but it seems exciting times are ahead, especially for Rarity.
Are we ever going to see Rarity x Applejack x Big Mac? The way you have chosen to write Big Mac it seems he would be too big of a wuss, but who knows. I will say that if anyone could pull it of it would be you, and if it's gonna be anything like what Rarity imagined then I will be more than happy to read along!
I also have a question for you, concerning the last lines of the chapter. Who of them earned sleeping in the mess, Rarity or Applejack? It would seem that it was Applejack and that you are referring to her not having to take a bath, but on the other hand we just learned that Rarity liked being "a dirty mare". I can't really tell from the sentence structure, who of them it is.
I'm also really interested to see what you do with Rainbow Dash. Rarity thinking that fantasizing about her rather than Big Mac is more right is probably one of them over-thinker baits, but I have no idea what to make of it. Too complicated for simple minds ^^. Rainbow Dash has been through so much harsh stuff at this point, that you gotta feel sorry for her. But on the other hand up until she met the diamond dog there was nothing stopping her from just getting back together with Applejack and everything would be back to status Quo. But now the one thing she kept sacred has been taken from her, and the journey she has to take to find her new values is one I am looking so much forward to. Of cause I should have know better than to think that you would just let everything go back to normal without any character progress but the way you have set things up now really makes room for some amazing stories to be told.
829284 Rarity earned sleeping in 'filth'... especially because Applejack will not go along with that kink and refuses to see it as filth, bad, dirty or degrading. But yeah, Rarity isn't going to wake AJ and force her to bathe- this is becoming kind of a 'thing', it's driving Rarity herself away from her own habits because Applejack is just too cute to discipline, it's like she's from another world (which of course she is, mentally).
The sheer, utter differentness of it all is turning them both on at the same time as it's posing constant problems. This time, they ARE talking everything out- for all the good it's doing! Sometimes it's not as simple as 'tell them what you feel and everything will be okay'.
As for RariMacijack... y'all spit your bit or somethin'? Rarity's entitled to her imaginings (not the first unicorn mare who has made a point of being able to imagine ANY thing without judgement, if you remember Twi in 'Trixie's Magic Bit') but that does not mean she considers every imagining a goal to be achieved...
- RD, AJ and Rarity threesome seems more or less confirmed now...
- 'Get that slobbery stiff appendage in there...' AND references to it being easier for Pinkie Pie. Though, honestly, I can't imagine HER being any less confused by Rarity's kinkiness. If anything, I'd imagine she'd treat it a lot like a very silly giggly game...not the kind of thing one wants during serious sexitimes... :P
- 'Mommy'; hmmm...I don't actually think that's going anywhere...buuuuuut, cuz I'm part of that community, I'm going to have to throw in a vote for ageplay. Yes! Let's see Applejack in a diaper and bib, and a bonnet, oh, and dear little mittens and booties! :P In all honesty that seems more likely a reference to 'li'l miss rarity'.
I also predict somebody will get buttfucked later, as we've seen references to it at least twice over the past few chapters and never seen any such references to anal sex even being a possibility (with mares) before that.
Now, on another note, someone mentioned relating to the characters. I want to say that it's Jinxie's writing that made me actually LIKE some of the characters. I mean, I think part of it was down to watching more of the show, but... Well, if you'd asked me a while back who my favourite characters were, I'd have said, in order; Applejack (she's nothing like me at all, except for maybe the 'emphasis on family' part), Rarity (who appealed to me for most of the reasons AJ did), Pinkie Pie (who I felt I related to most of all, but didn't consider my favourite), Twilight (who...I didn't really feel anything about) and last of all Rainbow Dash and, ugh, Fluttershy.
I guess I used to hate RD because in fan discussions she was always 'getting a break'. She acted like the biggest jerk ever sometimes but people still fawned over and praised her as being cool. To be honest, I don't really remember WHY exactly RD received so much ire from me, but I suspect it had a lot to do with her fanbase.
Fluttershy I hated because she was FLAT. 'Shy, except when she's not' was how someone described her personality on Ponychan once, and it was true. She was just too 'good'; nothing but sweetness and singsong and 'oh you poor darling'...except when she snapped. I never knew a meek person who was REALLY meek that way. Who was genuinely nothing but nervousness and blushing and 'cwute widdle fwuttashy'; what I knew were a lot of bitter, resentful people who wouldn't speak their mind out of cowardice...and that kept them bitter and resentful (all while they hated and blamed themselves for what was, admittedly their own problem).
I don't really remember at what point I started to like RD more, but I think it had a lot to do with Trixie's Magic Bit and Hurricane Fluttershy. It's kinda hard to hate the pony you see your best most favourite pony EVER falling in love with. I guess it also helped that I recognized that the girl I'd fallen in love with was one of the dashiest Dashes ever, hehe...
Fluttershy was the reason I started reading, and...gosh. I hate to say it, but Trixieverse Fluttershy is the character I relate to most. She IS bitter and hurt, and angry at herself for being bitter and hurt, and angry at her friends for 'not caring', and then more depressed because 'of course nobody cares', and because she's sure that nobody could ever really want HER, and the only reason they do right now is because they think she's just 'poor shy little Fluttershy'. As if anybody would love her if they knew the truth...so the truth needs to be hidden away...even though that leads to guilt, and more bitterness, and anger, and depression.
I think I've related to most of the ponies in this story. Pinkie is who most people would say I am; bouncy and excitable and finds-it-hard-to-focussy, but still deep and caring and seeing things that other ponies don't always. I fancy myself a Rarity some days. Intelligent, collected, dignified...and utterly wild and kinky, too. I'd say Rarity is most like the pony I aspire to be; AJ is waaaaaaayyy beyond me.
Fluttershy is who I am 'deep down', when I'm right in the pits of sadness and bitter angst. 'Who would ever want me?'...and I can't tell people how I feel, because who wants to listen to a stupid mare harp on about how lonely and sad and pathetic she is?... Of course, if you're friends with people for long enough and they get close to you, keeping that wall up is hard, especially when you're convinced 'they only like the facade, they'd never like me really'. So I slowly but surely showed people who I really am, and I won't lie...I lost a couple of those 'dear' friends, and that really hurt...but now, even my heart has found a home with people who know who I 'really' am, and that's one of the most wonderful things to ever happen to me. Fluttershy is bitter and angsty and 'pathetic', too, but she's still a 'good pony' and if she deserves to be loved, maybe I do, too.
(In fact, as late as last night when I was low down in the pits of puppy sadness, I was telling my GF 'You deserve another Rainbow Dash, or an Applejack...but you ended up with...*ugh* Fluttershy...'
To which she replied, Dash-y as ever: 'So?' 'Fluttershy is HOT AS HELL!' ...which made me laugh, and rather spoilt the melancholy mood in which I was wallowing.)
Jinxie, if I haven't been commenting on this one as much as the last, it's just because I'm still working on the processing of it. I'm aching for poor RD, but her major malfunctions actually seem to be pretty much worn on her sleeve (particularly after that visit into her head there when Twi and Trixie teleported her to the library.)
I'm still quite worried about what Luna's going to do related to Trixie... possibly while Mistress Twilight is out tending to Rainbow Dash... and what that "betrayal" will do to Trixie (having somepony she's considering a friend turn on her, having her Mistress not be there to protect her... or, maybe even worse, to give her permission to go through it?)
I *did* agree that the Dog was surprisingly sweet, given what all was going on, but it was so obviously Rainbow hitting her lowest point - the bit blowing up pretty much proved it. I'm thinking that this version of the Bit, if anything, brings out the "true self" of the user more and more; it seems to fit with exactly what we're seeing.
You guys want to see some overthinking psychoanalysis bait? Okay, here goes. Quite likely WAY off the mark, but who knows?
Twi? Studious, playful, and naive. Trixie? Well, she's pretty much been honest about who she is all along, so not as much choice there.
Pinkie? Playful, hungry for a real relationship, but still always-ready to help her friends out with their body-sex needs. Fluttershy? Cynical and bitter, but her kindness isn't *all* an act or she wouldn't have that Element. After all - sometimes, what people *really* need, the *real* kindness, is for somebody to kick them in the ass, tell them to get over themselves, and to move the buck on.
Rarity? Kinky. As. Hell. But maybe, *just* maybe, coming around to realize that there's more to making sex work than ever-complicated games of kink and degradation... frankly, given how Trixie came to wallow in that side of her psyche, I find myself wondering of Rarity's increasingly tenuous emotional connection to her sex life led her into that, and wonder if she's got some buried trauma in there that we don't know about. AJ? Mare to the core, loving and gentle and loyal and *completely* out of her bucking depths with *both* ponies she loves. Poor girl's still using water wings and she's trying to dive for pearls in the Marianas Trench.
And poor Rainbow? She really *is* loyal to the core, and would do anything for a friend. But she's had that thrown in her face due to a misunderstanding that *she* doesn't even get. The Bit blowing up seems to be because she was about to betray who she really was, to a level that she wouldn't have been able to recover from. Basically, the bailout condition would seem to be a "safety net" to keep somepony from passing their own moral event horizon. Unfortunately for Dashie... the Dog, while meaning as well as could be, and being as nice as could be (more or less), went and pulled her right to the very brink of that point of no return, which is where she's now wallowing. And, quite possibly, enduring a false-pregnancy because she's so convinced that it *might* have been able to happen that her body's acting like it *did*.
Well, there's some old-fashioned overthinking for y'all! Hope you had a great time at Bronycon, Jinxie!
(Though I am still a bit worried about Mac in all this... of everybody who's hurting, I'd have to say he's the most innocent victim, as it were.)
And it looks like I won't be able to finish the next Rarity chapter until next week because I am SO distracted with so much going on- though I did get a short done, and I'll be able to tenaciously work on bits of the next Rarity chapter over the weekend. Mea culpa. I really thought I could get it done by the end of the week, but I'm rebuilding my music studio, and the short-story hit, and I've suddenly had a very challenging workload in my fic-review thread on ponychan, and I'm still working with the Bronycon AV crew and being brought on as permanent staff under Crystallized, and I mastered a track for a musicpony on My Little Remix and ordered in some gear for my guitar stompbox pedalboard which has my brain planning to work on that, and I gotta be out of town visiting family this weekend belatedly celebrating my birthday a month after it happened... I am not a clever pony.
I need to be home without 10,000 things to think about, to write 'Rarity' chapters. But I'm washing my brain with the recent chapters and making notes while I'm still too scattered to write at length (under 3000 words ain't length, not for a 'Rarity' chapter)
839405 One of your comments gave me the central story arc and gut-wrenching, impossibly dramatic emotional climax for a THIRD book. I am not going to tell you which comment it was, but thank you- it's gonna be a doozy.
As for this book- again I'm sorry for takin' so long (for me it's long) but remember the chapter in Trixie where all hell really broke loose? Yeah- it's gonna be another 'suddenly all the rules have changed' chapter, a turning point. I guess it's okay that my head's spinnin' so hard I can't write, because the chapter and what happens in it is becoming clearer and clearer, and when I do write it I figure it'll come good.
One of your comments gave me the central story arc and gut-wrenching, impossibly dramatic emotional climax for a THIRD book. I am not going to tell you which comment it was, but thank you- it's gonna be a doozy.
My reaction to reading this:
*frantic rereading of my comment as I try to guess which one it was*
Damn Rarity, you're a sick and twisted bitch now. I've been thinking, these mares are getting pounded relentlessly by massive dicks...why aren't their vaginas extremely stretched out and un-pleasurable? Oh well, more pony sex!
AWESOME. If I understand where you'll be taking this, great set up. I always rush off to read a new chapter when it comes out.
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I'm not sure where you think I'll be taking it... but I will say this: Penthouse Pauper is not only cloppy as hell, but LOADED with over-thinker bait, and sets up a great deal, some of which may not even be explored in this book.
Yes, I realize that makes it sound like there'll be another, but I'm learning SO MUCH about the secret lives of some of these damn ponies, and dear Celestia the drama they've set themselves up for...
mommy is a naughty pony
Interesting that Rarity thought of RD there.
As always, I find myself reading this less and less for the clop and more and more to see where the characters are going, what they do, and where their complicated lives will lead them.
My hat off to you, sir!
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It's nice to have BOTH. Rarity and Applejack do love each other. They're trying very hard to make it work, not least because they turn each other on somethin' fierce, physically and with a sort of crazy odd-couple mentality. But they just do not approach things in remotely the same way, and it's not really getting any better as they continue... there's only one pony that really seriously can relate to where Rarity's coming from, and the fact that she's with Twilight is shortly to be the LEAST obvious problem there...
By god I love the way you write Rarijack. Before this story I never thought I'd relate so strongly to Rarity.
Wait, hold on, the parallels with this relationship are kind of scarily numerous when I think about
Uh, enough about my personal life.
Here I was JUST about to comment on how you left me hanging re: the consequences of Applejack's lack of a safeword-- I was thinking she'd wake up and be upset about Rarity not understanding how no means no-- and now not only have you given me a Rarijack chapter without answering that, you've gone and made the behind-the-scenes of the relationship even stranger.
Dat foreshadowing with RD. Not that there hasn't been references before, just it was, clearly, a lot more obvious and frequent in this chapter.
Really, though, for me I'm more worried about Dashie in the present then her future relationships. She's painfully broken right now, and it's hard to watch. There's that feeling of hopelessness, that nothing can change. It's an illogical feeling, but one we all feel from time to time nonetheless....
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Applejack ain't stupid- just because she is undeceptive to the core doesn't mean she can't see what Rarity is doing there, and she's trying her best to reshape herself in a way that'll work with that charming, complicated mare (with the humongous futa package that's so damn impressive)
She's failing. But she's trying very hard, to the point of weeping when she 'lets Rarity down' and can't go along with it. She REALLY wants a romantic foundation under her life after the horrible disruption of 'Rainbow has been going out with my brother the whole time' (woops, not true). What it is, is less important- she wants that bedrock to be there at all costs, knows Rarity is quite wonderful, wants to BE and to have that foundation for Rarity.
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I was gonna attend to that in this chapter but the rarijack expanded outwards into a whole series of romps and took up all the space.
And Dash's feeling is not illogical, and I'll explain why...
Twilight is going to look in on her and have a little talk. I don't know whether she's gonna be able to shake Dashie's funny ideas 'cos that's one stubborn little pony, but there's no way she's leaving without giving her a hug- I got a feeling there's catharsis comin', even if the true resolution isn't arriving yet.
I don't mind admitting it's tough setting everything up- They're all going through their processes- it's pretty obvious what the biggest story arc is (anypony who read Trixie gets it) but to do it properly ya gotta know all their hearts and feel it in your gut along with them when the big crisis and terrifying moment of ultimate truth arrives. 'And then they kissed and made up and it was all better' simply won't fly.
I mean, Dashie put herself in such bad situations she was wing-raped! Her bit blew up because that's about what she was ready to do to him. Instead, she got hit with something totally beyond her ability to handle. And everybody thinks the Dog was the nicest thing ever. And so does he, and he had no way of knowing he was doing anything wrong. And Dash KNOWS he couldn't have known. And yet still... these are the things she is processing.
To my dear troubled deeply moral clopmonger Biologic Orthodoxy- this is how I deal with stuff like that. Yes, I just had virtually everypony cheering and wanting to hug the Dog that wingraped Dashie because of how much he meant well and felt good feelings for her.
And I totally see his side- but I didn't forget Dash's side, and I will not shrug it off. She went to great, great lengths to manufacture the situation where that happened. She was really betraying- attacking!- a part of herself. She's aware of what she's doing now. I've got to honor both sides of her- both the wild out of control side that's suddenly in check, and the vulnerable Dashie side that's mortally hurt now. (they share the same heart- that's her problem.) And that's why 'outsider' Twilight with her sweet 'safe' obviously vulnerable streak is going to see Dashie- one of the few ponies who can get through to Dash's deeply hurt side.
All this is a lotta work, but while I'm off at Bronycon I guess you can have a little behind-the-scenes here, at what's going on. Folks who've asked 'how can you DOOOO this with such simple words?', this is how that's done. I showed what that scene meant to Dashie, plain as day. You saw both sides at once, and you've been seeing Dash work through what happened to her every step of the way. She just never put it into those words.
Your knowledge and comprehension of the human mind and heart are frighteningly powerful. The level of theory of mind you work with consistently astounds and humbles me. How in Equestria did you gain such clever interpersonal insight?
I cannot picture you as a typical author on this website, some 20-something dabbling in pathetic scribbles or disparaging talent vastly beyond their own. With each chapter you have established yourself as uncommonly aware and astonishingly skilled. I am fifty-two, I am considered to be an excellent judge of character and exceptionally learned, and you are consistently teaching me new things on a regular basis.
You have plumbed depths of character I could not have imagined before reading your works, in ways I would have found difficult to believe possible until seeing your work. I have no great statement to make on this chapter, but I just feel compelled to elucidate how impressed I am.
You are brilliant, I expect you comprehend that, but it never hurts to hear it.
Thank you.
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Oh, Chatoyance, I love you SO much now I cannot possibly go to the Bronycon writing panels feeling sulky and overly obscure when confronted with all these poni authors (lots of whom I earnestly love) with ten times the readership and poni-celeb status.
Sometimes you only need that one special reader who can make you understand that they get it (and speak for others who are less willing to leap out and proclaim their fanliness).
I try where possible to do the same when I see writing (I think most recently with RazedRainbow- and, oddly, Standard Namespace over 'Animal Husbandry') that I think is truly wonderful- I don't want to start fights in the process but it feels very important to say 'hey- you've hit on something that goes to the heart of why we even do this writing thing at all. Go forth and keep doing writing stuff, with confidence and care'.
Because you need both- confidence without care means you don't go back over the chapter four or five times grooming details and fixing slip-ups, but care without confidence steals your ability to risk- and without the bold leaps into your own story, it doesn't have the energy. You can't put that spark in with line-editing. If it ain't there, you're marking time or correcting papers that happen to be your own.
Thank you for being my Element of Confidence, Chatoyance. Which doesn't mean you can't fuss over lapses and wilful decisions when I make 'em! It's just that you _get_ it- I throw 'em, you catch 'em, even when it hurts your hooves. Love you
Step one -- Applerraridash threesome in Rarara's mind.
Step two -- Applerraridash threesome in reality...
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Oh gosh the emoticons are perfect, too...
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"Typical 20something loser who--"
Hey! What'd I ever say 'bout you?
824096 Well, I agree it's not illogical for her to be feeling the way she is, it's a completely natural reaction. But that's the point I was trying to make, we don't feel our emotions with logic. She's at one of those points where she's in such a state of despair that she can't see herself recovering. There's so many inner conflicts and complex emotions that it gets overwhelming and we shut down.
I'm not sure why I'm arguing with you on that topic, since I'm sure you're better versed in it than me, who just came up with this in a span of a minute. For the sake of conversation and clarification then, I guess.
824510 I just want you to know that I've loved you from the beginning of Trixie's ! My commenting started to fall on the wayside because of real life and also because of how.... intelligent everyone's conversations always are in your comments. I use common sense, but I wouldn't call myself "smart", so it was intimidating to see all the psychoanalysis people were producing in the comments. I was scared I'd look stupid .
Anyway, the point of that was, I've always been here in the shadow's, and believe me when I say that I'll always be around when Applejinx is involved!
Keep on rockin'!
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Good show my fellow reader, good show.
Well done, good sir!
Hmm over-thinker bait huh?
If I remember correctly Rarity said she hadn't had a proper orgasm in years, but in this chapter she was shooting sparks, if only weakly. I don't know what this is gonna mean for Applejack, but it seems exciting times are ahead, especially for Rarity.
Are we ever going to see Rarity x Applejack x Big Mac? The way you have chosen to write Big Mac it seems he would be too big of a wuss, but who knows. I will say that if anyone could pull it of it would be you, and if it's gonna be anything like what Rarity imagined then I will be more than happy to read along!
I also have a question for you, concerning the last lines of the chapter. Who of them earned sleeping in the mess, Rarity or Applejack? It would seem that it was Applejack and that you are referring to her not having to take a bath, but on the other hand we just learned that Rarity liked being "a dirty mare". I can't really tell from the sentence structure, who of them it is.
I'm also really interested to see what you do with Rainbow Dash. Rarity thinking that fantasizing about her rather than Big Mac is more right is probably one of them over-thinker baits, but I have no idea what to make of it. Too complicated for simple minds ^^.
Rainbow Dash has been through so much harsh stuff at this point, that you gotta feel sorry for her. But on the other hand up until she met the diamond dog there was nothing stopping her from just getting back together with Applejack and everything would be back to status Quo. But now the one thing she kept sacred has been taken from her, and the journey she has to take to find her new values is one I am looking so much forward to. Of cause I should have know better than to think that you would just let everything go back to normal without any character progress but the way you have set things up now really makes room for some amazing stories to be told.
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Rarity earned sleeping in 'filth'... especially because Applejack will not go along with that kink and refuses to see it as filth, bad, dirty or degrading. But yeah, Rarity isn't going to wake AJ and force her to bathe- this is becoming kind of a 'thing', it's driving Rarity herself away from her own habits because Applejack is just too cute to discipline, it's like she's from another world (which of course she is, mentally).
The sheer, utter differentness of it all is turning them both on at the same time as it's posing constant problems. This time, they ARE talking everything out- for all the good it's doing! Sometimes it's not as simple as 'tell them what you feel and everything will be okay'.
As for RariMacijack... y'all spit your bit or somethin'? Rarity's entitled to her imaginings (not the first unicorn mare who has made a point of being able to imagine ANY thing without judgement, if you remember Twi in 'Trixie's Magic Bit') but that does not mean she considers every imagining a goal to be achieved...
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Too bad. Will we at least get some more imagining then?
Right, overthinker bait...
- RD, AJ and Rarity threesome seems more or less confirmed now...
- 'Get that slobbery stiff appendage in there...' AND references to it being easier for Pinkie Pie. Though, honestly, I can't imagine HER being any less confused by Rarity's kinkiness. If anything, I'd imagine she'd treat it a lot like a very silly giggly game...not the kind of thing one wants during serious sexitimes... :P
- 'Mommy'; hmmm...I don't actually think that's going anywhere...buuuuuut, cuz I'm part of that community, I'm going to have to throw in a vote for ageplay. Yes! Let's see Applejack in a diaper and bib, and a bonnet, oh, and dear little mittens and booties! :P In all honesty that seems more likely a reference to 'li'l miss rarity'.
I also predict somebody will get buttfucked later, as we've seen references to it at least twice over the past few chapters and never seen any such references to anal sex even being a possibility (with mares) before that.
Now, on another note, someone mentioned relating to the characters. I want to say that it's Jinxie's writing that made me actually LIKE some of the characters. I mean, I think part of it was down to watching more of the show, but... Well, if you'd asked me a while back who my favourite characters were, I'd have said, in order; Applejack (she's nothing like me at all, except for maybe the 'emphasis on family' part), Rarity (who appealed to me for most of the reasons AJ did), Pinkie Pie (who I felt I related to most of all, but didn't consider my favourite), Twilight (who...I didn't really feel anything about) and last of all Rainbow Dash and, ugh, Fluttershy.
I guess I used to hate RD because in fan discussions she was always 'getting a break'. She acted like the biggest jerk ever sometimes but people still fawned over and praised her as being cool. To be honest, I don't really remember WHY exactly RD received so much ire from me, but I suspect it had a lot to do with her fanbase.
Fluttershy I hated because she was FLAT. 'Shy, except when she's not' was how someone described her personality on Ponychan once, and it was true. She was just too 'good'; nothing but sweetness and singsong and 'oh you poor darling'...except when she snapped. I never knew a meek person who was REALLY meek that way. Who was genuinely nothing but nervousness and blushing and 'cwute widdle fwuttashy'; what I knew were a lot of bitter, resentful people who wouldn't speak their mind out of cowardice...and that kept them bitter and resentful (all while they hated and blamed themselves for what was, admittedly their own problem).
I don't really remember at what point I started to like RD more, but I think it had a lot to do with Trixie's Magic Bit and Hurricane Fluttershy. It's kinda hard to hate the pony you see your best most favourite pony EVER falling in love with. I guess it also helped that I recognized that the girl I'd fallen in love with was one of the dashiest Dashes ever, hehe...
Fluttershy was the reason I started reading, and...gosh. I hate to say it, but Trixieverse Fluttershy is the character I relate to most. She IS bitter and hurt, and angry at herself for being bitter and hurt, and angry at her friends for 'not caring', and then more depressed because 'of course nobody cares', and because she's sure that nobody could ever really want HER, and the only reason they do right now is because they think she's just 'poor shy little Fluttershy'. As if anybody would love her if they knew the truth...so the truth needs to be hidden away...even though that leads to guilt, and more bitterness, and anger, and depression.
I think I've related to most of the ponies in this story. Pinkie is who most people would say I am; bouncy and excitable and finds-it-hard-to-focussy, but still deep and caring and seeing things that other ponies don't always. I fancy myself a Rarity some days. Intelligent, collected, dignified...and utterly wild and kinky, too. I'd say Rarity is most like the pony I aspire to be; AJ is waaaaaaayyy beyond me.
Fluttershy is who I am 'deep down', when I'm right in the pits of sadness and bitter angst. 'Who would ever want me?'...and I can't tell people how I feel, because who wants to listen to a stupid mare harp on about how lonely and sad and pathetic she is?... Of course, if you're friends with people for long enough and they get close to you, keeping that wall up is hard, especially when you're convinced 'they only like the facade, they'd never like me really'. So I slowly but surely showed people who I really am, and I won't lie...I lost a couple of those 'dear' friends, and that really hurt...but now, even my heart has found a home with people who know who I 'really' am, and that's one of the most wonderful things to ever happen to me. Fluttershy is bitter and angsty and 'pathetic', too, but she's still a 'good pony' and if she deserves to be loved, maybe I do, too.
(In fact, as late as last night when I was low down in the pits of puppy sadness, I was telling my GF 'You deserve another Rainbow Dash, or an Applejack...but you ended up with...*ugh* Fluttershy...'
To which she replied, Dash-y as ever: 'So?' 'Fluttershy is HOT AS HELL!' ...which made me laugh, and rather spoilt the melancholy mood in which I was wallowing.)
Jinxie, if I haven't been commenting on this one as much as the last, it's just because I'm still working on the processing of it. I'm aching for poor RD, but her major malfunctions actually seem to be pretty much worn on her sleeve (particularly after that visit into her head there when Twi and Trixie teleported her to the library.)
I'm still quite worried about what Luna's going to do related to Trixie... possibly while Mistress Twilight is out tending to Rainbow Dash... and what that "betrayal" will do to Trixie (having somepony she's considering a friend turn on her, having her Mistress not be there to protect her... or, maybe even worse, to give her permission to go through it?)
I *did* agree that the Dog was surprisingly sweet, given what all was going on, but it was so obviously Rainbow hitting her lowest point - the bit blowing up pretty much proved it. I'm thinking that this version of the Bit, if anything, brings out the "true self" of the user more and more; it seems to fit with exactly what we're seeing.
You guys want to see some overthinking psychoanalysis bait? Okay, here goes. Quite likely WAY off the mark, but who knows?
Twi? Studious, playful, and naive. Trixie? Well, she's pretty much been honest about who she is all along, so not as much choice there.
Pinkie? Playful, hungry for a real relationship, but still always-ready to help her friends out with their body-sex needs. Fluttershy? Cynical and bitter, but her kindness isn't *all* an act or she wouldn't have that Element. After all - sometimes, what people *really* need, the *real* kindness, is for somebody to kick them in the ass, tell them to get over themselves, and to move the buck on.
Rarity? Kinky. As. Hell. But maybe, *just* maybe, coming around to realize that there's more to making sex work than ever-complicated games of kink and degradation... frankly, given how Trixie came to wallow in that side of her psyche, I find myself wondering of Rarity's increasingly tenuous emotional connection to her sex life led her into that, and wonder if she's got some buried trauma in there that we don't know about. AJ? Mare to the core, loving and gentle and loyal and *completely* out of her bucking depths with *both* ponies she loves. Poor girl's still using water wings and she's trying to dive for pearls in the Marianas Trench.
And poor Rainbow? She really *is* loyal to the core, and would do anything for a friend. But she's had that thrown in her face due to a misunderstanding that *she* doesn't even get. The Bit blowing up seems to be because she was about to betray who she really was, to a level that she wouldn't have been able to recover from. Basically, the bailout condition would seem to be a "safety net" to keep somepony from passing their own moral event horizon. Unfortunately for Dashie... the Dog, while meaning as well as could be, and being as nice as could be (more or less), went and pulled her right to the very brink of that point of no return, which is where she's now wallowing. And, quite possibly, enduring a false-pregnancy because she's so convinced that it *might* have been able to happen that her body's acting like it *did*.
Well, there's some old-fashioned overthinking for y'all! Hope you had a great time at Bronycon, Jinxie!
(Though I am still a bit worried about Mac in all this... of everybody who's hurting, I'd have to say he's the most innocent victim, as it were.)
And it looks like I won't be able to finish the next Rarity chapter until next week because I am SO distracted with so much going on- though I did get a short done, and I'll be able to tenaciously work on bits of the next Rarity chapter over the weekend. Mea culpa. I really thought I could get it done by the end of the week, but I'm rebuilding my music studio, and the short-story hit, and I've suddenly had a very challenging workload in my fic-review thread on ponychan, and I'm still working with the Bronycon AV crew and being brought on as permanent staff under Crystallized, and I mastered a track for a musicpony on My Little Remix and ordered in some gear for my guitar stompbox pedalboard which has my brain planning to work on that, and I gotta be out of town visiting family this weekend belatedly celebrating my birthday a month after it happened... I am not a clever pony.
I need to be home without 10,000 things to think about, to write 'Rarity' chapters. But I'm washing my brain with the recent chapters and making notes while I'm still too scattered to write at length (under 3000 words ain't length, not for a 'Rarity' chapter)
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One of your comments gave me the central story arc and gut-wrenching, impossibly dramatic emotional climax for a THIRD book. I am not going to tell you which comment it was, but thank you- it's gonna be a doozy.
As for this book- again I'm sorry for takin' so long (for me it's long) but remember the chapter in Trixie where all hell really broke loose? Yeah- it's gonna be another 'suddenly all the rules have changed' chapter, a turning point. I guess it's okay that my head's spinnin' so hard I can't write, because the chapter and what happens in it is becoming clearer and clearer, and when I do write it I figure it'll come good.
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My reaction to reading this:
*frantic rereading of my comment as I try to guess which one it was*
Dear sweet Celestia, what have I DONE?!?
This was a welcome change of pace.
Well, I think I now well and truly despise Rarity.
Damn Rarity, you're a sick and twisted bitch now. I've been thinking, these mares are getting pounded relentlessly by massive dicks...why aren't their vaginas extremely stretched out and un-pleasurable? Oh well, more pony sex!