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Personally I think as long as the bullies are put in their place which not above anyone else I couldn't care how scared out of their pants they were.
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Look at how most (human) adults tend to regard children (particularly teachers in public school, or how the Canadian government sees its citizens). The response was disproportionate compared to what they were doing, and both Twilight and Cheerilee don't have the full story about what happened, so the punishment of receiving a grounding was justifiable in Twilight's eyes.
From the text, I tried showing that Somnia didn't intend to get so angry, and so wasn't willing to argue with the punishment for her actions after causing such an event. Imperfect information + Disproportionate response to perceived injustice + Specific social/political philosophy = Justifiable punishment
You may not like it (honestly, neither do I), but that is just how it is in this version of Equestria (and regrettably real life too). If she assaulted somepony who was mugging her friend and ended up breaking their leg to defend them, and they were both adults, a government (like the Canadian government) wouldn't consider such a thing to be justifiable given the context.
I know I talk about the Canadian government as an example, but it is partially what I am basing the Equestrian government, and social dynamics, off of (not unreasonable, since both Canada and the United States have equivalent cities in Equestria). Now, outside of the schoolyard discipline, the actual legal system of Equestria wouldn't be nearly as autistic as the actual Canadian government, it would be far more libertarian and probably consider the breaking of the leg to be justifiable in the case where the mugger was physically threatening them.
Some food for thought. I won't get into it within the story, and probably won't in any other story I may write in the future, so I hope the explanation via comment is sufficient.
A tenant of Harmony was breached, her punishment is warranted. It doesn't mean an acceptance of Diamond Tiara and Silver Spoon's breach, but their actions don't justify compromising one's ethics either.
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Considering if the worst they got was their pants scared off them as long as there was no hint of actual danger then the adults in America would ignore it as much as possible as it wasn't their problem to deal with. And considering diamond is brat her getting put in her place might actually be good for her.
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Clearly we see very different experiences between adults and children :P
I can understand your perspective though. I don't disagree that DT needs to be put in her place (hence, the scene), the issue was the method by which Somnia did it and how it was handled according to the 'norms' of pony society. It also could have been potentially dangerous (according to in-universe observers) due to the magic involved, magical power that would have been completely overkill given the situation according to social norms. See also this quote from Chapter 4:
Of course it wouldn't pass the courts even if Twilight refused to punish Somnia, and Spoiled Rich is rotten to the core, but it is generally considered unacceptable to terrorize foals to the point of impromptu urination. The meme about how teachers always punish the student who stands up for themself but almost never the bullies comes to mind. You act first, you might be punished. You react to the action, you have a much higher likelihood of being punished.
Cliche? Yeah. True to life in many places? Absolutely. And if the bully knows how to manipulate the teacher into believing themselves to be the victim of unjust accusations, then it will be all the easier for the teacher to accept punishing the perceived 'aggressor'.
A case from my own childhood comes to mind, one I regret greatly. I was friends with someone, they were a bit on the odd side, somewhat aggressive but not a bad kid deep down. Other kids started mocking them, convincing more to join in. I ended up siding with the bullies because of peer-pressure and the aforementioned quirk they had. The teachers got involved only after they reacted to our bullying. We attempted to manipulate the teachers into punishing them for being the 'real' bully, succeeding in avoiding punishment for ourselves by creating just enough doubt.
They didn't know the truth of what was going on. It was like seven against one. Based on the victim's reaction, they certainly didn't like what was happening, but at the same time there was so much testimony to dispute the case that we, the actual bullies, were bullying them. In that case, nothing except being dragged into the guidance councilor's office happened, but it could have gone very differently if they ended up being caught reacting to our bullying far more aggressively.
Let's circle this back to DT and SS. Can they create enough doubt to avoid punishment and pin the blame exclusively on Somnia? Yes! Somnia was caught red-hoofed terrorizing them. From Twilight's words in Chapter 4, she did listen to Somnia's side but doesn't accept that her actions were appropriate in the instance. She's trying to be a good parent by discouraging perceived bad behavior.
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Weird considering even she knows that sometimes you have stand up for what right. And stopping bullying is always a good thing. Twilight and this kid need to realize that they come from 2 different time periods and they need to compromise on things in order to get along.
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A bit of a major early spoiler: Somnia's outlook changes and solidifies after the events in Chapters 15 and 16, it makes her actions far more consistent (i.e. less foalish, also more direct and brutal) and Twilight gives her daughter a bit more leeway as a response to what she goes through. I don't disagree that they pretty much are talking past one another (Chapter 10 partially brought that up, how Twilight considers her chaotic when they are actually operating on two different wave-lengths, Somnia's being a mix of her old culture and underlying personality). Chapter 17 gets into the differences between them, demonstrating just how different the societies they grew up in actually are.
If you were talking about Twilight's seeming lack of action towards the bullying, then I would point you to your point about 'adults ignoring it as much as possible' and my point about imperfect information. Mix the two, consider the degree of separation between Twilight and the CMC, and presto! You got Twilight unwilling to get involved in the dispute on the grounds that the CMC need to learn how to handle themselves or talk to their sisters about it! Also, you know, that the bullies had already suffered the consequences of their actions from Somnia.
As for Diamond Tiara and Silver Spoon's bullying... Chapter 23
There's also a major spoiler later on about Somnia and Twilight's relationship by the last couple of main chapters in the story, but I'm not going to go into that :P
Just curious: Are you enjoying the story so far? Is there anything I can work on improving? I'm kinda using this story as the launching pad and any advice would be helpful.
How did you come up with Grar's name?
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From the end of Chapter 1:
I literally gave away the entire in-universe inside joke in the first major chapter.
As for the meta explanation how I came up with it... I wanted Somnia to have a pet-name for Grogar, so I deliberated between a few condensed forms of the name. I settled on the first two letters and last two letters, thus 'Grar'. I realized while writing those early chapters that there was a prime opportunity for 'Og', being the leftover of the name, to be called Grar's 'lesser half'. That's the entire joke. He was split in half with his more compassionate and playful side going to Somnia, his 'lesser' and more brutal side staying in his old body. Of course, Grar and Og would still call themselves Grogar since they technically were the same soul. Honestly, it wasn't any more complicated than what can be easily gleaned from Chapter 1.
this is really good so far
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Thank you for the compliment!
Is there anything I can improve on? I've been trying to get feedback, but so far I haven't had much success. I want to improve my writing so that I can make even better stories, both for readers and for myself.
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if i do find something wrong i will let u know but so far it is really good
great chapter
great chapter
great chapter wonder what is going to happen next
great chapter
great chapter
Great chapter
great chapter didn't know about this chapter until today
great chapter
this is also one of my favorites
great chapter better then the last
More please
this is so good , I love it !
This Story… its amazing how it can be the funniest thing ever in one sentence but then pull back and be totally serious in the next paragraph ! I love that!
I really enjoyed this and im really exited to read the rest of this when it comes out !
He must have had trouble sleeping.... You know because of being in Somnia
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The scene itself is probably going to be a bonus chapter after I'm done the story. Although, I do need to go back to these older chapters to edit them to be better grammar and spelling wise. Maybe I'll add it in just for the giggles
Wouldn't there be a ton of interlinking circular branches that double- and triple- back?
I imagine it'd look more like a braided rope then a tree lol.
🎶 You'll make your mark, one way or another. 🎶
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Well, it doesn't look like a braided rope from the point she's working from. If it went above Queen Gavelmede, absolutely, at least on her father's side (Prequel stuff, not relevant to this story).
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I'm really enjoying this story. This is a really good idea and so far you've handled it really well.
If you'd like some help with proofreading or whatnot let me know if you want to. I'd be happy to help in any way I can.
I just had a thought with all the magitech talk... In a world where magic is real and abundant would a sufficiently advanced technology still be indistinguishable from?
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Made a blog post about it. Enjoy!
The correct spelling is eyeing. The other one isn't a real word except maybe in the US though personally I've never seen it spelled with only 1 e. I actually had to look online to even find out that American English would be where you might come across eying but if so then it must be a seldom used spelling.
Somnia wouldn't be slowing her mind down if the world seems to be slowing down. For the world to appear as moving slowly you'd have to speed up your thoughts and thought processing speed. Perceiving the world slowing means you're processing the same amount of sensory information in a much shorter time because the apparent slowing is you being able to notice more about the information from your senses since you're digesting it faster.
Meaning that if Somnia is slowing her mind she would probably see the world moving faster but unable to get a clear picture of the world.
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Nice. Something I need to fix.
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Edited and reworked. I hope it's a better chapter now!
Wow if it wasn't for the obvious separator/horizontal bar or whatever it's called I wouldn't have been able to figure out what was going on when Dawn welcomed Twilight back
though that's mainly because I use the site's built-in reader to listen to stories and wasn't following along like I normally do. Someone had distracted me for a moment while I feed her
(my dog is so needy at times but she's so loveable even the coldest heart would thaw when she gives you The Eyes)
Still got a bit of whiplash though from the sudden change
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I use a more visual style of writing. It kinda makes it less friendly to those who listen to it. I'll keep this in mind when I do my whiplash transitions.
great last two chapters
this chapter was ...something!!!
good chapter
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That doesn't sound good
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No I Love it !
Everything in this chapter is Great, the first section with Somnia threatening Luna , the Second one was funny talk about sex, then it goes to Pain and depression, and then to Funny talk about sex again.
And SOMEHOW all that put together into one chapter MADE SENSE?!
HOW DO YOU DO IT?!
interesting and intriguing start
ph ha! that was such a "Celestia" thing to do xD
just dump the responsibility on twilight and don't explain shit
who holy shit that filly is witty
also nice for somepony to realize the truth of changeling dilemma, give that filly pedestal and a crown and a ton of cookies
pure satisfaction
great grar is a troll xD
awesome chapter