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Me: *Squints* Smaug, is that you?
Kratus: I highly doubt that.
Shadow Star (TFP OC): Whatever I'm going deal with the disturbance in the universe's balance while taking every opportunity to stick it the false ones.
Loved the Dragon fight.
Can't wait for this 'year' to end and we can get back to the Grim Darkness of the far future. Keep up the good work.
There is just too many modern words that Antonius could not actually know because in 40k they have different words for same things. Like binoculars are in 40k called magnoculars. Livestream would be pict feed. Camera as a example is pict capturer. Clock is chronometer.
Sou Antonius would not actually know what they would mean.
Sometimes I had to wonder perhaps her mentor also did the same thing to her in the past?
Yep, I am quite certain she was speaking from her own experience just now.
I'm very disappointed he didn't have some more choice words to celestia. He's already yelled at her for taking lives and peoples safety so carelessly so why shouldn't he get pissed that she made the crystal empire into a dumb test with lives at stake. Either way still a good chapter and I'm looking forward to what happens next.
Ortan Cassius is going to try to kill Cadance for trying to corrupt Antonius.
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To be fair, Cadence said binoculars, not Antonius.
No defense for Livestream thing though.
Are you sure Celestia was also created by humans because she sounds a lot like some Eldar Farseers with her "you'll find what you need"
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*couph* Eldar Witch *couph* *couph*
He has really mellowed,hasn't he? Most space marines would have had a far more negative reaction to the Crystal Heart's blessing.
Who does Celestia think she is? The Emperor!? XD
Wonder when 40k reality hits hard on them. XD
It’s a bit odd that Natonius let the whole Empire thing pretty much slide with Celestia given his earlier reactions to similar situations.
Also, that fight with the dragon was just weird. I mean, yeah, blinding the dragon is a good idea as it’s a weak spot and it gives you time to think. But it goes a bit downhill from there.
For starters, while dragons in the show are depicted to be a bit... slow, if something took out your eye, it doesn’t matter how stupid you are you’re going to protect your other eye (how long you protect it for and how well is another question entirely), so it’s odd to me that Antonio’s was able to take out both eyes so easily.
Secondly, why target the nostrils? Yes they’re an orifice that leads to vulnerable flesh within, but they’re a hard target to hit and are protected by both scales and internal structure (including mucous, cartilage, etc etc). That’s also not mentioning the fact that it’s not going to help. Yes it knocks out another sense, but it would be using hearing more than smell, and you want to go for a killing blow.
Thirdly, why did he need the dragon to roar? If the dragon had gone to breathe fire, it has a moment of vulnerability where it’s mouth is open and the fire is building, plus the flames have travel time. He doesn’t need the dragon to roar, though it would be a best case scenario, he just needed its mouth to open. This is also adding to the fact that he could’ve killed the dragon using this method at any time.
Fourthly, I highly doubt the dragon would breathe fire as it died. That’s be like you exhaling hard with a painful hole in your throat, while choking and drowning on blood and damaged tissue. Just not something you do. You’d take a swipe instead if you did anything at all to avoid the pain and focus more on trying to breathe and survive.
I’d also like to note that dragons as depicted in the show didn’t really have fire that strong. I know, you’ve obviously made them stronger (their scales shouldn’t be able to withstand a mass-reactive round after all. Those are basically anti-tank bullets in real life. Only reason they’re not in W40k is because tank armour in that universe is stronger than irl tank armour by a significant margin). I’m pretty sure the fire as depicted in the show was only as hot as like, a blowtorch maybe? Not really hot enough to overload Space Marine armour that quickly given that stuff can withstand plasma which is significantly hotter.
That’s a thought, actually. Unless that dragon was breathing plasma, I doubt his armour would be taking things that badly.
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I'm inclined to believe this is how this fight would go within the "sensibilities" of 40k. Per its lore and canon astartes can aim exceedingly well, due to their enhancements and "training". Truth be told, targeting systems of astartes armorare great, but to an astartes only offer marginal benefits "to hit" such openly visible targets, even if minuscule and normal human couldn't even dream of actualy scoring a hit.
so:
1. protecting remaining eye - how do you even do that without effectively blinding yourself?
2. nose - just going for what hurts and enrages the opponent, for aiming see above
3. waiting for a roar - considering the time Antonius had to take cover from the fire and still had been significantly affected rules out any significant buildup, and also fire/plasma (which is augmented by magic for all we know) does obstruct view, so probably waste of good bolts, with a high chance of dying.
4. last dying breath - not going to contest this one, as I have no idea of said dragon's anatomy and whether it is possible or not. Author went for cool over boring and I'm down for that. Also the spontaneous combustion of bolts helps me make a case with 3.
Also dragons not being that strong? Given the size of the previous dragon lord (I mean the guy before Ember whose name I shamelesly forgot), I find dragon scales withstanding diamantine tips plausible, especially considering MLP dragon diet. Just because their teeth are stronger doesn't mean the rest of that area is too.
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Protecting the remaining eye without blinding yourself would be trying to ensure it’s out of easy aim. The dragon did not even try.
Your other points are valid, but only really because of how the author has seemingly depicted the dragons.
Also, I was judging the strength of the dragon’s scales based on previous examples in canon. As said the author could’ve augmented the dragon’s strength and resilience, but in canon the dragons seem to not be that resilient (I mean, one dragon was hurt by a kick to the nose. Not even that strong or high speed, and said dragon was one of the largest we’ve seen in canon barring Torch). Also, the size of the dragon isn’t a good judge of the strength of their scales. The size, shape, and material of the scales matters.
Most of my comments were in regards to canon dragons, this is because I don’t know what the author changed about dragons in this story. But I did try to put it into perspective of how strong the dragon seemed in certain instances.
For example the fire. You say there was no chance to hit? That’s a big target and it doesn’t matter if the fire came out instantly or not it has travel time. Fire, plasma, whatever heat travels. Astartes are fast, Antonius could’ve easily shot at the dragon’s mouth as it opened to breathe, then jumped into cover. Bullets are fast, faster than fire. Even if the fire came out basically the moment after Antonius fired it would still detonate within the dragon’s mouth and do damage.
As for the final breath thing, again, doesn’t matter how resilient you are. That’s a damaged throat, you’re choking on blood, you’re not going to breathe fire because you’re focused more on surviving.
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Okay. Suppose the eye issue MIGHT be solved if the dragon protected it with his claw. Might, because we don't know how narrow he could make the slit he'd watch through. Other question is if the dragon would really think to do that, as in his fighting experience such attacks were probably new to him. Acquiescing that, canon MLP dragons are mostly big brutes not used to much resistance, and I still think it would be outside their realm of experience, and might even be taken as a sign of weakness among them.
As for dragons themselves, your points too remain valid for canon MLP. In this story however, they are depicted as tyranid level bioweapons, and hence why the author uses and depicts them as such. Canon dragons absolutely should be at least bothered if not maimed and killed by bolts. Torch, with his size theoretically should be able to take one or two bolts to a single scale before it ruptures and exposes flesh underneath, depending on thickness and durability of his scales.
For the delay on the dragonbreath. I didn't want to get into too much detail, as every point we mentioned could be picked upon until a treatise the size of MS Windows EULA is born. There are many factors - for one the dragon might not need to open his mouth during the windup, and even use it to control the area during release. Next safe assumption is that the speed of the flame burst is well in the subsonic range, thus, taking into account possible range of just out of reach of the tail - let's be generous and say about 100 meters (~330ft.), though probably way less. Given the show and general depiction of dragons that gives us about a second of windup during which it might or not be possible to attack internals of the maw, and considering half the speed of sound at that range about .67 seconds. At that range doable for astartes, even if they had to cover from the incoming blast. Suppose we halved the distance and sped the flames up a bit and we're going under 100ms, which undeniably is enough for Antonius to perceive and react, but I'm afraid gravity, friction and momentum wouldn't allow even astartes to duck back behind cover in that amount of time, unless anchored to the ground.
Finaly the dying breath - and fire intensity - I concede your point is way more probable (as in a whole lot more), but at least I don't know enough of the dragons physiology whether from MLP or this story to say for certain this or that way. It does feel a bit forced to make Antonius suffer some damage, but I can't say it couldn't happen, hence I didn't. Is the fire magicaly induced, or is there a glans that "secretes" it? If so where is it located? No idea. Hence, I have to draw from the other end - the intensity. Since any and all fire IS plasma, there is theoretically no upper limit how hot it can get, barring setting the atmosphere on fire, which is, in technical terms, a whole boatload of heat. So, instead of a lot of boring technical calculations I will just point out that flamers exist in 40k, and that marines, chaos, orks and others use them.
Enjoyable mental spar! I wish these didn't take me so long to write.
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I honestly still think Antonius could shoot it’s mouth before taking the heat so to speak. Of course it does depend on range, but heat can only travel so fast through certain mediums, because of how resistant various mediums are to heat (or rather, how slow they are at absorbing heat, like metal for example. Or rather, certain types of metal). Fire also consumes oxygen or other flammable materials (as you said, we don’t know how the fire works. It might be consuming oxygen and simply being expelled as super-heated air, or the dragon is spitting a flammable chemical combo that is combusting) and depending on what it’s consuming that also affects its travel time.
It’s either a chemical or it’s super-heated air. The former mostly depends on how fast it’s being ejected, while the latter depends on how much oxygen is in the area along with what else is currently in the air.
Given how dragons work in canon, it’s probably the latter.
We don’t have specifics on how close the dragon is to Antonius, but judging from the fact that the dragon isn’t trying to swipe at him and only used its tail and fire, we can judge that Antonius is at most a full tail-length’s away from the dragon. At least maybe, 60-70%, as I doubt the dragon is hitting things with its tail while they’re close to its body. We don’t know how big (or rather, long) the dragon is, but we can assume given the specifics on its tail, that the distance from the dragon’s mouth and Antonius should be enough to shoot and get away in time. This is also taking into account that MLP dragons are bipedal, not quadrupedal, and tend to assume a bipedal stance (with it being rare we’ve seen quadrupedal stance usage), so the distance from mouth to Antonius is probably is probably an additional half or full tail length depending on tail to torso ratio.
Antonius doesn’t even need to fire that many shots, he can fire single or hold the trigger for a split second then get away, he doesn’t need to spray or go burst or full auto on the mouth. He just has to hit. If he does damage, chances are it’ll either be a kill shot, or damage the dragon enough to the point he has more opportunity to hit without risk.
While I’m running out of things to respond with, I do enjoy having these kinds of debates without hostility.
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Assuming the fire travels even at a rate of a measly human sneeze, at a closer to melee distance, say, 30-60ft (9-18m), I believe there'd be barely enough time even then. Maybe if we take the results of the study that were lowest - at about 15ft/s / 4.5m/s, then okay, that is a couple of seconds so sure. One thing I would like to correct you on though is that majority of heat transferred to targets hit indirectly would be through radiation, not convection, and that is hell of a lot faster, if shorter on effective range. Actually, given Antonius' proximity to the flame, even in cover, I would guesstimate the flames to be at least at the level of a plasma torch. That in turn reinforces my point against shooting into the fire, as at the source the heat would be way more intense, probably even to the point of evaporating the bolt - maybe with the exception of the diamantine tip.
But hey, who knows?
This is how I feel when facing un-killable/incorporeal characters, especially in Skyrim when an enemy suddenly becomes invulnerable due to a glitch or spell.
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"Due to a glitch or spell
glitch or spell
glitch"
I had flashbacks...
I'll never get over those will I?
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What kind of gaming mishaps happened to you that involved either Skyrim or glitches... or both?
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Only if they hold permission of authority from specific segmentum. Like as a example in a book "forges of mars" a rogue trader had a authority from high command of segmentum to operate by having a Letter of Segmentum Pacificus accreditation, and the winged eagle of Bakkan sector command . But would not be able to do sou if it was not accepted by thous of adeptus terra.
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That is like saying all fish have a common ancestor. Humans have a very close genetic relationship with apes. Our relation to monkeys is that we’re the same kind of species. Also, bringing up humans relation to monkeys usually is meant to suggest we descended from monkeys. We do not. We either descended from a common ancestor or there was parallel evolution or humans descended from apes. The chance we descended from monkeys instead is much smaller.
I'm caught up now, I suppose.
Uh no. Not at all. Cadence leave facts to Twilight ok? He s an Umbrum. Or rather was turned into a pony hybrid by them...
That's racist ... :L
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"Hey, ever heard of the dark gods?"
"Who?"
"You know... they who should not be named..."
"What? I have no idea what you're on about..."
"treyarch are coming and they want your money..."
Okay, no! You didn't even have Antonius kill Sombra with a headshot. Instead, you let the story play out the same way as it did in the show, with Spike getting the victory. Just...fuck you, dude.
I like his focus on protecting lives and screw the test.
In the dream fight, if the rock held out, there’s no way his armor would be even slightly damaged. And why didn’t he start by shooting into the mouth, eyes, and nostrils instead of letting it attack him several times?
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Maybe, but we know what things like magnocular, pict-feed, chronometer, etc. means with simple inference. An Astartes’s mind would no doubt do so far better.
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I have a feeling she has the blood of one of the unknown primarchs
Oh yes insay that all the time... xD
Huehuehue i would do the same xD..
Crystalmarine hahahahaga! Oh gosh this is prizeless! XD
I like that.... on a shirt please ^^
She wants to help.. xD
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“my scales are armor! My fangs are death! My claws are destruction!" are obviously a pardoy on what smaug said to Bilbo:
"My teeth are swords. My claws are spears. My wings........ are a HURRICANE!"
The dragon lifted its tail and stroke again and again, forcing Antonius to continue his dodging.
stroke should be struck