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I feel like I shouldn't be too harsh with the guy, under the circumstances and given what he's been through.
That being said, I'm disappointed that we only have Fleetfoot's POV, so we probably won't be able to see him get a metaphorical (or perhaps literal) thrashing for this.
Well, displaced or not, Phillip is a dick. If he wanted proper control of a situation, he shouldn't have gotten blitzed. Because if he was so 'overpowered', then obviously if Fleet was the only one drunk it wouldn't have happened. Nasty situation all around, but he''s handling it like an ass.
Although I’m pretty sure someone will correct me:
What an asshole
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Agreed, after over a year of being friends that's just uncalled for. I get we're going for a little rgre vibe but him acting this way feels pretty forced. I'm not saying he shouldn't be upset but damn, that was harsh.
And you lost me was a good story before that but that is out of character a bot after being friends band that close
What the hell is going on with this fucking story? Seriously? Philip is a fucking asshole to Fleetfloot! I am surprised she didn't punch him right in the face for calling her a goddamn horse. And again with more of this fucking world of his that really isn't! Where the hell are you even going with this? I mean the first half of this chapter makes absolutely no sense. If he is lashing out because he fucked up because of his stupid decision then why is Fleet just sitting there idly by and not standing up for herself? I mean what in the hell happened with this? It went from a decent story to a complete bullshit "guy is an asshole because he slept with someone not humanoid". Why didn't Fleetfoot defend herself? WHAT THE HELL? I mean he just basically called the entire race he's been mingling with mindless animals and Fleetfoot takes that? Dude you'd better explain what in the hell is going on in the next chapter because this just feels so overly forced I practically almost stopped reading.
She sat there trying to make amends for a mistake she DID NOT WANT. She was truly sorry for what had happened and he just shit talks her entire species because they don't stand on two feet and look humanoid? This piece of shit needs his fucking teeth knocked out.
That’s....a bit of an overly extreme reaction, you BEST deliver the next chapter pronto!
He seems like a completely different person than what we've been reading about. He was very sensual quite a few times and never really looked at the creatures around him as things for two years. Even the best manipulators can't hide their true colors for that long. Just seems way off from his norm.
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Yeeeaaahhhh that’s pretty messed up. Called her a literal horse, Either fleets got Stockholm syndrome (or what I HOPE is the actual reason) someone DID actually drug the drinks, maybe trying to play match maker, and it overloads emotions or some shit, making him lash out, and she just....shuts down? As you said she didn’t defend herself one bit, and he BLEW THE HELL UP
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I don't see any reason why she would go back to this asshole now that he's shown his true colors. It's like an abusive relationship. Though I guess this chapter was written or designed to be the buildup for something later. I can already tell that was the intention. Still... it is complete bullshit and again makes no sense giving how strong of a character Fleetfoot has been written to be. It's like a completely different character. Sure she likes him, probably loves him, but you don't just shut down and become a punching bag for someone else's stupid mistake. Especially someone as strong willed as Fleetfoot.
Yeah I think everyone’s reaction sums this up XD, Phill has officially become B I G D I C C. Hopefully there’s a good reason, because WOOSH
After looking at the comments it seems like everyone's on the same page, so I don't understand what this chapter is or is trying to do. All this does is make people dislike the story.
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And hopefully this isn’t taking as a “we hate this stop writing rabble rabble” were just very confused on the direction it just rapidly and suddenly took. Hopefully it’ll clarified, retconned, who knows! We certainly don’t want it to stop, by ANY means! Just confusion
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Agreed
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Tell us how you really feel, Jesus...
But yeah, Philip's the asshole now. Fleet's been the one that's been pursuing him for the most part, but it's probably time for Philip to come to terms with his pride and go to her. I feel like Fleet's going to be hard as nails once she comes to her senses, so best of luck.
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Sorry for being passionate, but I do like the way this story is going. Rarely do you find a decent human on pony relationship story that isn't just pointless sex and rushed romance. That isn't pride. It's some stupid idea in his head that people shouldn't screw animals. Fleet isn't an animal. What his eye's see and what he knows are whats the issue here. The way he reacted is just flat out brutal and uncalled for. Especially with all the time they've know one another. It's like he's acting like some stubborn child that can't accept the cards dealt to him. Then just lashed out like a complete asshole when something happens that's mostly his fault. But I can look past this stupid idiot. What bothers me is that Fleetfoot. A mare... no a person that has a very strong will and character just sat there and took being called a mindless stupid animal. As if she was just some feral horse that stands in fields and eat's grass... or is lead around like some prize mare. I am just floored by how she took all that abuse and blame as if this was her fault completely. I mean slap the fucker already! Don't just walk out defeated with her tail between her legs. She has her pride and self respect to ya know.
Philip's lashing out and Fleetfoot's not defending herself.
It's tempting to say that Philip's being an ass and Fleetfoot's being uncharacteristically meek about it, but considering that they're both shell-shocked by recent events and probably hungover to boot, it's understandable that they're in no state to work things out right now.
Hopefully some time apart will let them simmer down and meet again before they suffer too much from unresolved conflict.
Not sure what to have this as, so it's all spoilers atm. That said, read the start again (Chapter 1) if this chapter confuses the atmosphere. I'm likely projecting from past fics and other related, to take this with a grain of salt and a stiff drink. Hug your horses, Because you are in for a bumpy ride.
Not unexpected, but them feels. Muh heart, it cries. Philip has gone far over the year and a bit since he showed up, but some scenarios you never truly adapt to. A storm of decisions and a cocktail of emotions. Philips response and actions were not unexpected given the backstory and scenario. A sharp change, yes, but not entirely unexpected.
He could have been less mean, but past events show a similar event and response. This may be a bigger one as well, maybe, and it could also be lashing out, trying to find blame for what happened (That and self-morals, but this is feels good pony hug story, not a masters level psych paper, or something).
They both need time, and to work the remaining alchohol from the system.
That said, Fleetfoot took advantage of him (In the sense she feels at fault, which is all it really matters. Going to need many hugs to get that out of the sadness). Hugs and kisses can only heal wounds so much, and do more damage than healing if they don't want it. While the perspective of Philip might help understanding, it's likely he is still going off the idea he can return later.
Now, have some Fleetybee being a silly.
It's a bit jarring to me that Philip is blaming Fleetfoot in this harsh manner without considering the fact that maybe, having her go to his place was actually his suggestion. Plus they were both drunk and not their normal selves, which definitely helped play a part in this. I am wondering, though, if part of the reason for his overreaction is because he's shocked that something deep inside him was very much okay with where things went. Look forward to seeing how they resolve this.
Well, that's a bad reaction... He's going to REALLY regret this when he has a chance to actually think things through.
I love how everyone's calling Philip an asshole, and Fleet should leave him alone forever, etc etc.
First off, idk who said it nor am I pinging anyone about this, but not once was this fic implied RGRE. That's just dumb. This author has some more sense in him than to stoop to that level, especially for a HiE.
Damn, it sounds like I'm sucking Fregz's dick here. I should actually start a compelling argument then.
So I'm seeing, from comments, that everyone's so quick to jump down Philip's throat, and call him an asshole and ban him 5evar. Look, we've been seeing in this story that this was not ever a perfect romance story, or that the characters themselves were "made for one another." This has been a shaky, at best, build up to an inevitable one night stand that was not wanted. Who are we to judge Philip in his thinking about what Equestrians are. They're not human. Be them horses, ponies, or whatever else, the point is they're not human, and for some people, that is unsettling. Fuck, just think that less than a hundred years ago, we were disgusted in white people for loving blacks, and both are human.
Barely two years, and he's adjusted well, but from what I'm reading, and seeing, he's conflicted. He doesn't know how to properly voice his concerns, so falls back onto bad habits. We all know he holds grudges like a mofo, just look at Celestia, or even Luna and Twilight. Fleetfood is/was his best friend, and he feels betrayed. Could he have prevented this by not drinking? Yes, but guess what. THIS ENTIRE FIC, PHILIP HAS AVOIDED ALCOHOL. He's avoided it for reasons, what I don't know, Fleet doesn't know, but he has. He isn't a bumbling drunkard who's gone off the rails for the umpteenth time. Finally, after all that's happened, he's fed up with finding out the truth of his arrival, and decides, you know, fuck it. Instead of being mad at Fleet, he hugs her, and still loves her as his best friend. Then the mistakes were made, which happens when alcohol is involved.
And maybe he is over reacting, but considering how calm he's been for the whole story, other than a few bits where he doesn't want to talk about problems, this is his real first outburst, where he's feeling betrayed, naked, and sick to his stomach because he's both disgusted in himself, Fleet, and the whole situation. It's not like he's been going off his rocker left and right, and this was "the last straw." No, this was his first real emotional shouting match for him, be it one sided.
Speaking of sides, now to Fleet. Be warned, this is my opinions on things solely as a reader, nothing more. Fleet has been constantly remarking about "being in control" over herself and any situation she finds herself in. Suddenly, we have this event, and she doesn't have control. This is her own fuck up, her drunken flashback proves this, but at the same time, Philip also went along with it, so its both their fuck ups. She's worried about what to say, saying the wrong thing, and losing her best friend. We know both of them have been very open with each other, and don't beat around the bush (mostly), but this is the first time that she's afraid of actually hurting him with words, because she's already done so physically.
To fellow readers, I think everyone just needs to take a giant chill enema, and remain hopeful. We all know how this ends, if you read the original one shot story. Remember, this is the story of how they came to be. All the ups and downs. People are prone to bad decisions, miss intended words, and foul attitudes, so it's only fair to say that since this story is not marked as Complete yet, there is more to tell, and more going on. Does it frustrate me, as a reader? Oh hell yeah, because Philip was being a jerk. That does not mean, however, that this is how the story will remain. Or if it does, we'll all gang up on Fregs and shiv him.
/end rant.
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I agree. I'm sure there's some reason for this. My personal guess is that everything that has happened to Phillip has finally come to a head. He is stuck in Equestria - more or less by force - and is seeing his chances of going home get smaller and smaller all the time. He's probably into Fleetfoot, but is horrified by what just happened because to him, it means he's gone native. His last shreds of humanity are starting to go away; he lives in Equestria, he has friends in Equestria, and he has a bit of a life in Equestria. What happens if he finds love in Equestria? To an animal that is definitely not of earth? To him it probably means that he's given up on going home, and that can really fuck up someone.
How can you post a chapter like this and not have a follow up with it?
Probably the very worst outcome that could realistically happen, realized in the care and detail the scene deserves. Re-reading ch21, then ch1, then this one, it's like a real punch in the gut.
Excellent characterization, love what you're doing with these two and looking forward to how this plays out.
He'll come around. Eventually.
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Let me take this example and run with it a bit.
Keep everything the same, but imagine Fleetfoot is a black woman. And after their "mistake", Phillip wakes up and starts ranting about how disgusted he feels about sleeping with a monkey, and what will everyone think about him sleeping with a monkey, and how his life is ruined because he slept with a monkey.
Regardless of the circumstances, people wouldn't be feeling much sympathy for him.
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I mean, you can't control how people act either, and while I'm not saying he wouldn't potential feel six ways sideways about it, or that it's forced, I'm just stating that Philly-boy handled his realisation in all the wrong ways. To be fair, I think he's gonna realise exactly how bad he fucked up once he settles and calms the fuck down.
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Not about shivving anyone, just pointing out that Phil's whole 'dump on Fleet' vibe is completely dickish. Not saying one party /isn't/ at fault. They both drank, but since you care to bring real world circumstances in, modern day girls drink with guys /sober/, regret it and blame the guy, albeit usually by crying rape, but I digress.
The point here being, Phillip can want to blame Fleet, blame Fleet drinking, blame her crush and al that good stuff all day, but dumping on her and her alone while refusing to take responsibility for your own fuck up is insanely dickish. Fleet admits in here that she fucked up, Phillip just agrees and uses that to blame her.
He very much is being an asshole.
Am I dropping the fic, or demanding he be lynched? Nah, but dude, I can be a fucking cunt at the worst of times, and a grade A asshole at the best, so I know how to call it, and I don't blame my lack or personable-ness on people for not tolerating me being an asshole. Own it. Own it like a fucking grown up.
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Fleet admitted her faults and she was truly sorry this had happened. That flashback shows BOTH sides were okay with it. Doesn't matter if Fleet leaned in more than Philip did. The fact he sat there disgracing her entire species is downright disrespectful and disgusting, and I am just surprised she didn't flat out deck the fucker. Love him or not, that shot was a shot to the heart. They are not animals and he KNOWS that. Will I stop reading this story? No. I want to see how this plays out indeed, but this chapter is defiantly not a high point, and again the "human" world this writer has given us still makes ABSOLUTELY no sense! He has implied this guy is from the Equestria girls world and most of us if not all damn well know that is utter nonsense since ZERO of the people there have real earth names or even look remotely human aside from standing on two feet and look humanoid. But hey thanks for debating what has gone down here in this chapter! It really shows people DO enjoy what this guy has written so far! I myself still do and will defiantly keep reading. Even if following social norms what he said was just downright disrespectful and the fact she ALMOST seemed to agree with it just makes me shocked given her character.
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But that's the thing. They are NOT animals. Mearly another sapient race of being. The only difference between Philip and Fleetfoot is one stands on two feet and looks humanoid. The other is equine. Mentally and emotionally they are the same. He is not going to lose his humanity as even if he went "native" as you say the two races live almost identically. I mean even the technology and lifestyles of the two races are identical. So the only difference is one looks like a pony and the other is a human. That's like debating skin color or ethnicity. What he did was just so uncalled for. I am waiting for the next chapters, because if I was Fleetfoot I would be utterly destroyed after this dude just dumped on her like that, and would want nothing to do with him. Well I would have decked him, but hey... that's me.
While one can generously allow for Phillip lashing out, the fact is that he's being a 100% grade A piece of shit. Yes it's understandable to be upset, yes it's understandable it was something he wasn't ready for. But to blame everyone else but himself is pathetic, and his idiot justification of "I can't go back because I banged an alien" is retarded. Dismissing an entire species of sapients as mindless animals in a fit of rage is stupid.
Even allowing for the circumstances, Phillip is not sympathetic (or quickly burns through any sympathy he deserves, more specifically) and really shows his true colours when the chips are down. That's the kind of guy who deserves a few teeth knocked loose, and to be cut out of your life forever.
Fleetfoot might be incredibly passive in the scene, but she does own her side of the mistakes and try to talk about it like an adult.
I don't know what the author's goal is here, but all it's really done is make the protagonist incredibly unlikeable. In the real world you'd tell someone at best to man the fuck up and take some responsibility, or at worst you'd tell them to fuck off and die for that stunt. It doesn't make any form of relationship which they eventually end up in believable other than an abusive one. I don't see a flawed character lashing out after a step too far, I see one adult, and one guy acting as an utter manbaby throwing his toys around and screaming because he didn't get his own way, and avoiding any responsibility.
Short version: way too far, and puts a lot of strain on the story. And Phillip is a fucking piece of shit.
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That was the most level-headed and intelligently written comment I have ever read on this site.
I agree with everything single one of your points.
---------- Now my own points---
If we think of Philip as "not a brony," his reaction will seem much more realistic. He could have been thinking this whole time "these horses have me trapped, but if I act nice, I'll at least have some semblance of a normal life."
He even said that he consider Fleet his best friend, but he wasn't ready for more than that.
I still think he overreacted, but I believe that was the author's entire point--this feels like a good "end of act two."
Even though the subject matter was negative, I am enjoying the prose and the brilliant way the author describes feelings.
For all those that are pissed off and saying "I'm not reading this anymore," you only care because you too have been enjoying the story up to this point.
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THANK YOU. How I see it, this isn't about if Philipnwas being an asshole or jerk, because as much as he feels about the situation, yes he was being an asshole or jerk. The question here, is what is Fleet going to do about it, and what is Philip going to do after the fact?
The people jumping down his throat to shut him down are what bothers me. This is the first real dickish thing, if we ignore his grudge with Celestia, that he's done, if not at all, then directed to Fleet.
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I can't argue what he said is disrespectful. I think we just need to wait and see what becomes of all this, before we go lynching Philip.
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The best example I can give, is say you gave a dog, or a cat, or goldfish. Suddenly, they can talk and think like us. Would you fuck it? A year later, you are best friends, holding intelegent conversation. Would you fuck it? Two years, still your dog, the family pet... Would you fuck it? That's a personal question that I don't want an answer for, but it's there to make you think. Because that's how I see Philip looking at it.
Granted, this is a different situation, and he does come around in the end, but in the heat of the moment, this is what's going through his head.
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You can thank a few beers, a couple shots, and some wine for that.
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Quite frankly, I agree with the grudge against Celesti if only because I don't do being lied to, which I think is the true crux there.
But yeah, he needs to own his half of the fuck up and sort his end of the shit out. Oh, and apologise. Overreacting, treating Fleet unfairly whilst being petulant, and insulting/degrading her with the animal comment. It's his childish lashing out that has me irked the most.
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That's a poor example. We are not talking some cat or dog that suddenly learns to speak or whatever. Would I fuck it? Absolutely not. Thats not what we are talking about here. A better examply is what if you were transported to an alien world where its citizens were sapient and had a similar level of technology, sociology, lifestyle and acted on a similar level of conscience, mental capacity and emotion. What would you do after being there for over a few years? That's what we are talking about. Not pets suddenly becoming sapient. And if Philip is looking at it like that then thats a TERRIBLE way and quite frankly disgusting. How would you feel if you were that sapient alien race of citizens and the one you were falling in love with (be it he's from their home world or not), and after some drunken romp he wakes up and just spat he fucked a horse and thought of you only as some pet that has become sapient. That's like waking up and calling the black person you slept with a nigger or some Chinese a gook. You get the idea. I am sure equestrians have their own term for derogatory or racist comments, but I feel that ranks right up there with them. What Philip did was DISGUSTING and the fact Fleetfoot sat there and just took it without a single word in her defense is awful. People can hate me for this but I don't care. That was the WORST thing to say to someone and Philip deserves a good slap across the face for it. I will continue to read this story because I like how it's going, but that bit in the beginning just feels terrible. It could have been handled much better. Oh well.
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No it doesn't sound much more realistic I don't even care about Brony or whatever the hell you people call it. I am looking at it from a standpoint of him being on an alien world and after seeing how they live their daily lives after two years this is still what he thinks of them? Fucking animals? That's pretty shitty. They live almost identical lifestyles. They almost share the same technology and culture. You can easily look at their species as skin color or ethnicity. It's black and white with some gray in between, and that gray area is where the species gap lies. Granted what happened was not what was wanted, but fuck sakes he could have handled it much better. If I was Fleetfoot I would be SUPER upset when she wanted to work things out and make amends, but all he wanted to do was cry like some whiny baby. An immature manchild who had something not go his way.
Don't get me wrong Freglz! I think you are a wonderful writer and amazing at pulling on the emotional strings of people in this story. I will continue to read what you post because I believe you are one of the best humanxpony relationship writers on this site! I do so hope we don't sway your opinions of what you want to write for this story! I want it to be exactly what you want it to be. I am just very upset by this dudes reaction. And to everyone else I argue and debate with I mean no harm or foul to you all to! Let's keep it civil and let's keep the debate heated!
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I'm gonna be blunt here.
I don't want to be deleting comments here, there or anywhere, but I'm strongly recommending you stop posting a mini rant anytime there's something you take an issue with, either in the story or as a response to someone else. We understand you're frustrated, but it doesn't need to be repated eight times to a varying degree of insistence.
I was hoping it didn't need to be stated quite so blatantly, but if it quells at least some of your fears, then here it goes.
This story is planned out. I've written it in what I hope to be a believable and authentic-feeling manner up to and including now, despite its perceived hiccups. This bump in the road on Fleetfoot and Philip's relationship was also planned -- I made clear of that in a previous blog -- and they will work through it. I ask you to refer to Jammr's and Rob's initial comments if you have questions regarding issues in character.
And for the record, I'm treating EQG as semi-canon; I'm picking and choosing as I like from it, and I trust all my readers to be intelligent enough to see that and accept it.
I want this place kept civil, but this isn't the place for heated debate. Certainly not to this level. Control yourself, please, or I'll have to do something I don't want to do.
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Sure whatever... I never meant anything I said as a rant. It was criticism. It was debating, but as expected in this day in age criticism obviously isn't wanted. Especially if it's something you don't want to hear. I won't reply ever again. Don't worry about me. I won't bother anyone here ever again. Thanks for your time.
Well fuck him..asshole.
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If you have this fully planned out already then I 100% trust you. It’s your story and yours alone! Looking forward to it
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Can't wait for the next chapter! please release the chapter soon... The Gremlins need there horse words.
woow is a little hot the debate does not believe it?
Back to the topic.
For the readers: I'm sure for some of us the reaction of the "hero" of a bad taste in the mouth, but you should not forget to put on in his boots
punch all the cards on the table, their origin education, religion, politics, culture. so I see "he" is afraid of the consequences of this action itself, so that being patient may happen something that surprises us or at least let us meditate the result.
Freglz: I applaud you boss for capturing emotions that would shake the reader in one way or another, keep up the good work.
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True and that shows that it is fleetfoot who has the head on the ground (ironically), it is she who shows a level of maturity, after all it is she who is in control
Although honestly I thought it would be fleetfoot who would lose the head and Philip would show a certain level of maturity, and not the other way
Oooh yes. The drama and plot thickens. I sure enjoy some drama, whats romance without drama?
I get Philip is a stranger in a strange land but man that was harsh. Maybe he felt he could speak that way BECAUSE of how well he new her. I don't know. I wonder how they're going to get past both what happened and the words he chose.
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