When a single, pointless fight shatters the love of a lifetime, the story we all thought we knew changes in ways that nopony could have expected.
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And... if it comes to pass, I have to wonder how the world's first princess born to princesses will set Celestia's plans on their horn. I love chapters that ask more questions than they answer.
I do love a well-played Discord.
Keep it up!
Very good chapter, it was a treat to see Discord both in his element and in a pique once he'd been contained.
I must admit, I was kind of hoping Twilight & Cadance's first time trying out that spell would be a bit more romantic, but that scene was so poignant, both heart-rending and beautiful, that it makes up for it.
I've never really liked the overly-foreshadowed pregnancy scare, where there's multiple allusions to the possibility all supposedly intended to build the tension. It never really works out though; either they are pregnant in which case the surprise of that moment has been obliterated by heavy foreshadowing, or they're not and the tension breaks, but since we haven't been emotionally invested in them having a child before this second, there's not really much for the tension to play upon. Personally, I hope that it just gets swept under the rug and isn't mentioned again except possibly in passing, or even better, it causes the two to sit down like rational adults and talk about the possibility and each of their desire for or against it. I really think you could do something amazing and heartwarming with the second.
Now this was an awesome chapter!
Loved the way you did Discord and discorded!Candence was CREEPY.
The talk with Celestia should be very enlightening I think.
Hope your tests went well for you and thanks for the incredible chapter!
Discorded Cadance is chilling in a way that well and truly shows the darkest and most terrifying aspects of love. obsession is scary it's true. Misry and Fatal Attraction teach that lesson well. But comebine that with the power to read emotions and manipulate them it becomes something new that really is more frightful then you can think of. Really it was partly luck, partly Cadance's love for Twilight and a good deal thanks to her confidance in her abilities and the security they gave her that Twilight's plan worked.
This chapter shows us in a way WHY Celestia panicked about shining and Cadance breaking up and what that could mean for Equestria and the world at large. It's often shown that both Sombra and Chrysalis are dark mirrors of Cadance in many ways just as they are to Twilight, and here we get a taste of what she could become if driven down the dark path, and frankly it's quite gut-churning spine-tinglingly scary.
Discord was played well. Both in his lighter and more sober moods. We also get to see that while he is indeed mad there is a method to his madness and what exactly may have driven him to said madness. If my guess is right I don't know who's more chilling Dr. Manatton, or Discord as both have an awareness that is truly awe inspiring and both were shaped by it in different ways. Though even when being deadly serious I still love how Discord stroke his own ego and taunts the heroes by hinting at not just Celestia's game but the other player who has taken the story off track and let it forge it's own path. A path that is slowly but surely branching out further and further from the baseline into something incredible.
I can't wait to see how Celestia, cadence and Twilight's conversation is going to pan out. As both took the hints Discord was offering. Though they don't have enough context clues quite yet to figure out Chrysalis' innervation they are now more aware then before that Celestia has big plans for them and Twilight. While I don't know how much of Discord's words they took at face value given Cadance's already establish suspicions' and her getting something of an explanation before this should prove quite interesting to follow up on.
I believe you meant "assess."
My conviction that this all cannot possibly end well is getting stronger. °-° Although the edging away from Twilight as Twilight continues...
Also: Celestia cannot restrain Discord on her own or even with Luna's help but off-her-nut Cadence can. Huh.
Loved this chapter.
Discord was on point. You've written him well in your other stories and didn't fail here. I like dhow he knows how the original timeline was supposed to play out. Being able to see various realities is how I view him as well. It fits him.
While I still feel that Love's opposite is Hate, going with Obsession works and was well done here. Obsessive Cadence was pretty scary.
I'm curious now if the wedding will happen in the same point in time as the original series. I'm kinda thinking you're going to bring Sombra into the mix early. I also get the impression he'll say more than "Slaves!" and "Crystals!". His expanded dialogue will be the true great change of this time line.
I will confess that I'm confused on how Cadence locked Discord up. Love magic turned obsessive doesn't seem like it can stop space from being bent. Granted, Sombra's trap on the top of the tower prevented Twilight from teleporting during the Crystal Empire episodes. Thus the dark crystals do affect magic in some way. Still, Discord ripped control of the Sun and Moon away from Celestia and Luna the instant he was free. His power goes beyond "just magic". It would be nice if we get some sort of explanation in an upcoming chapter as to why Cadence's crystals were on a whole different level of strong.
I look forward to this talk Twilight and Cadence will have with Celestia. It's about time things got out into the open.
Now the question is:
How good Celestia is with mind magic and memory manipulation?
Because for "the Greater Good" events must happen in a specific way...
This isn't the first time I've seen an AU with Discord being aware of the changes, and I must say I really love that plot device. This was a good chapter.
Figures that Discord wouldn't be bothered by some as mundane as linear time.
I still see Twilight ascending but on her own terms. Chrysalis is going to have her plot handed to her at this point. Twilight and Cadence's love grows stronger with every trial.
That was a great chapter I like how you wrote Discord and of course he is Q so he would know that the reality was screwed with I never seen him as evil but as an anti-hero. Oh and I can't wait to see this talk that Twilight and Cadence will have with Celestia. I have a feeling though Celestia will subtly change the subject making wedding plans which I'm sure would cause the two to forget what they wanted to talk to her about I mean after all Celestia has been alive for thousands of years I'm sure she is not a fool I have this feeling the wedding will be pushed early and then we are going to see how the wedding turns out when Twilight is the groom/bride. I still think Shining Armor should play the role of Twilight Telling Twilight that Cadence she is with during the wedding is not the real Cadence That will be interesting indeed I just hope that in the end it will still be Cadence and Twilight together not all the sudden they have to give up each other to set the timeline right That would be an ending that would make me cry I WANT MOAR SOON! If that is alright with you
Since there is no actual manticore upstairs, you should not use literally here. Please don't make Twilight cry by having her misuse a word like that
Ohhh snap! That ending line!
This was a good chapter. I liked the way you handled Cadance in this chapter. I was wondering how she would change things being there in Ponyville when he came out to play. Well Done!
I like how you illustrated the sometimes fine line between love and obsession with the two lovers. I look forward to the next chapter. I can't wait to see how this talk plays out.
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I may be wrong, but Discord reveals that it's all part of Celestia's plan.
and Celestia's thoughts would seem to back him up.
I don't believe that it's an issue of Celestia being unable to contain or re-imprison him so much as it is her willfully letting him run free, which is a far more terrifying prospect for her mindset that she was willing to allow him to hurt so many innocent ponies just as a test. However, if Celestia still had the ability to contain his power (as it would be foolish to let him free as a test without the ability to stop him), it's not so much of a stretch that Cadance would have the ability to contain him as well at least when it's in the service of her Obsession.
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I would point out to keep in mind that Discord loves to wind other ponies up with half-truths and deceptions. How much Twilight will take his little hint there to heart, well....
We'll see.
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True, that's why I used Celestia's thought as well to back his claim up. Sure Twilight doesn't know this, but the readers do, and more importantly for the story Cadance knows that Celestia has been pulling strings from the shadows where her & Twilight are concerned, so it seems quite likely that she would take his comments at close to face value, and oh my is that going to make this talk awkward.
4052374 Fwahahahahahaha!
Yes, yes it is.
4052329 Well, we know that Celestia can't, even with Luna's help. But Cadance clearly can if she's bonkers.
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Except that's kind of my point ... We don't know that she can't we only know that she said she can't, but it would make logical sense that if she orchestrated his release as a test for Twilight, then Celestia would have the ability to contain him in case things went south.
4054379 Yes, we DO know she can't. We KNOW she can't because we've SEEN that she can't. It's clearly proven that Celestia and Luna REQUIRED the Elements of Harmony to defeat Discord, which means they could not do it on their own or even working together. This story messes with canon as of Twilight's foalhood but affects nothing further back.
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We know that she and Luna used them more than 1000 years ago. You think she wouldn't have learned, grown in power, or found any other magical artifacts in more than 1000 years? I don't think Celestia would be stupid enough to orchestrate his release (as Discord hinted at) and not have some sort of fail-safe. Apparently you just don't have faith in Celestia.
4054413 We know that they couldn't do anything about Discord without them; that is what we know as opposed to what you believe. We know the Elements are the failsafe and are, in fact, the ONLY failsafe. Even with them, however, Discord clearly can get around them if he feels like it. I don't have faith in Celestia because her canon judgement is atrocious beyond all comprehension.
The point of the thing, however, is that Cadence is supposedly more powerful than the combined ability of Luna and Celestia just because she gets a little nuts. This, like other things so far, breaks suspension of disbelief and dances on the corpse.
4054433 You are.... really not paying attention to things.
Cadence has already proven that (In show canon) Her power is superior to Celestia's when in gestalt with the one she loves. The purpose of Discording her was to turn that gestalt inwards upon herself, thus supercharging her normal power in the service of her obsession, which was the one she loves. She didn't "Defeat" Discord, she Contained him, and not for a terribly long period of time either. She imprisoned him in a black crystal which has already shown itself capable of doing very, very dangerous things and took both Celestia and Luna to defeat the first time around.
You're putting Discord's power on a pedestal, and ignoring the other facets of what's going on here because you pretty obviously don't like my choice of how to interpret the butterfly effect or how this relationship would work out in a highly changed environment, nor do you like my choice of character interpretations. You're working with total, complete knowledge and expect characters to act with the same, which is absurd.
Circumstances change things. New events can lead to new outcomes. If you wanted nothing but a total re-telling of the canon storyline with a bit of Cadence fuzz thrown in, you're in the wrong place.
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For my part, I'm fine with characters gaining new abilities away from cannon as long as the story explains why at some point in time. If Cadence's power turned inward can super charge her then as long as "why" is touched on at some point I'm cool with it.
We do have one example from cannon where Discord's abilities were blocked by Alicorn magic. In Keep Calm And Flutter On, Celestia stated she cast a spell on the Elements that would prevent Discord from hiding them again. I imagine it took Celestia a lot of time and effort to craft that single spell to block that singular effect.
Still, it seems that Alicron magic can affect him, if only in a limited way. Thus, it's cool that Cadence, in her Discorded state, was able to contain him for a bit. I just want the how and why to be addressed at some point in time in the story.
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Aw, cmon Scytho.
Since when have I ever been able to resist a chance to pontificate on the why's of EVERYTHING In my fanfiction?
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I know you will. I have no doubts you'll reveal everything in due time.
4054456 I come to my conclusions because I AM paying close attention to things. Very close attention, enough to make fine distinctions. Using a massive love magic spell against a race that feed on love is a highly specialized spell directed against a highly specific threat. Its effectiveness in comparison to what Celestia can do is situational only, not general.
I'm not, in fact, putting Discord's power on a pedestal, I'm placing it precisely where canon puts it: the same order of magnitude as the power of the character Q in Star Trek TNG. Neither Celestia nor Luna nor the two acting in concert can reorder reality at will; Discord can and with no effort. Neither Celestia nor Luna nor the two acting in concert can restrain Discord. Both of these things are event-demonstrated, neither of those things are susceptible to a butterfly effect moving forward from a point long after Discord's initial imprisonment.
And on that butterfly effect, if it's possible to make too little of it, it's also possible to make too much. The current of history naturally resists change as hard as it can; even the most brilliant and ambitious thought experiments of contemporary historians can only imagine butterfly effects that temporarily divert history from its path, only to see it resume as if nothing happened; diverting permanently requires a gargantuan change at a single critical moment. You chose a butterfly effect, not a total reorder of everything, and profess to want to remain in the realm of a butterfly effect.
Circumstances do change things... but not much. A change in circumstances changes people... but only to a degree before they're no longer the same person. If you want to sell this "the butterfly effect changes everything but it's the same characters as before", you're talking to the wrong person.
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Interesting. So you're suggesting if I went and shot George Washington before the Revolutionary War we'd still be living in the relatively same world we are now. Fat chance.
4055537 Absolutely not. A "butterfly effect" is George McClellen beating Abraham Lincoln in the 1864 presidential race. Killing George Washington is a gargantuan change at a critical moment. Like Greece losing the Battle of Salamis, the Franks losing the Battle of Tours, or the Union winning the First Battle of Bull Run, changing the one event changes EVERYTHING. Lapis refers to his change as a butterfly effect change and I'm taking him at his word because he knows what he's intending, and I do not.
Well now, looks like we'll be getting that talk with Celestia that I have been hoping for sooner rather than later.
And I love that Discord could tell that the timeline had been fiddled with.
I ROTFLMAO*'ED for, like, 5 minutes at this statement. Comedy gold.
*rolled on the floor laughing my ass off-- I used to play Wow a lot.
4054456 He has a point but I think Cadance or the sisters could hold him for a time. not long but hold him. Discord just wasn't prepared for what Discording Cadance will do.
With Shining? What was Cadance when she last summoned her massive phallus?
This chapter was equal parts dark(Discord being serious but mostly Dark Cadance)and beautiful oh I really hope Twilight gets pregnant it would be adorable!
Methinks Twilight and Cadence are none to happy with that manipulative Chessmaster Celestia. They have good reason to be unhappy too.