Months after Jason Wright's invasion of Equestria, the Cutie Map summons the Elements of Harmony, Spike, and Princess Celestia to Griffonstone, where they meet an unexpected individual: a second human.
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You want to compare Canterlot to Minas Tirith sorry buddy but the city of Kings is far better than Canterlot.
I've read most of the other stories you've referenced here, but I don't recognize the Beatrix Millbrook one.
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https://www.fimfiction.net/story/187732/after-the-end
I took the liberty of adding a tiny bit on the end there.
Windows into the other Endings!! I love it!!!
Yike, when Twilight and Pinkie learned that both of them used what essentially is a mass banishment spell, both of them will be very terrified of the repercussion.
I’m Rose Quartz
....Immediate thought right then & there 🤣
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“It’s your drake!” Amethyst said loudly and with a tremble in her voice. “She’s ice cold!”
No...god...NO!
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My name for her was a major coincidence. When I mentioned the name to a friend, he pointed out the similarities. I've never seen the show.
Regarding the Pinkies, while some of the simpler ones are happy with their circumstances, the smarter ones probably going to hold a grudge against Twilight.
Probably will bring her to court.
I don't know if I wanted to see even more deflated Pinkie when she found out what happened to basically her sisters.
Oh my god. I did a double take and then had to re-read the part with the pinkie clones. They ended up in Tartarus?! Twilight didn't send them back into the mirror pool, she basically sent them into a desolate no man's land and didn't even realize it. I can only imagine how she and the real Pinkie will react to this
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I thought she just broke the spell that kept them going. I never imagined she'd would send to what considered the worst place in that world.
Going full Night King huh?
I wonder if all the clones made it safely to Atlantis.
Haha, I love the references to the older Ending-verse stories. However, Celestia cutting off ties to the elements after Jason hung himself is hardly what I would call harsh Gregory. You can't even call that a slap on the wrist.
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Eh, nobody said Gregory was perfect. And he caught a bare snippet.
As much as this thread with the Novans still feels like a detour to me, i'm loving the inclusion of the Pinkie Clones as much as everyone else. But with what you're doing here, now it's plainly obvious you're really stacking the deck of sins you want to bitchslap the Mane 6 & Celestia with. One has recently starved herself down to her bones due to intense depression, and the other is a neurotic mess who unwittingly committed mass homicide. If you happen to suddenly diefest as a draconequus god in this own story of yours, you'd probably be a god of intense schdenfreude. And that is deeply troubling.
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In another story I read, I forget what it’s called but Jason goes Delenda Est on ponyville so Celestia cutting ties is lenient by comparison
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Detour, maybe, but the way I see it this story may well end up exploring (if not straight away because Gregory & Co. are in something of a hurry right now, then at some point in the future) just what Tartarus was like in the distant past, before even the Novans’ arrival and presumably also before the ponies deliberately turned it into a dumping ground for their problems. Like, say, who the heck did ultimately build Atlantis? Was it also displaced in some way, or was the whole underworld just more hospitable once than it is today -- and in either case, what did happen to its previous inhabitants? Mysteries that, for good or ill, could well draw the interest of other folk on the surface...
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At the beginning, the story was all about the contrast in how just as harmonic griffons can be and how much more they are trying beneath the surface than ponies. It's been gaslighting the characters we know over a premise that was never fully established; that's 2 breaks for this story, accepting they were terribly OoC for a time coz Discord, and taking the broader details of their cruelty at face value as 'mystery' so the story can go along. These executions, while still flawed, are handled surprisingly well and have a visceral sentiment attached to them that is shouldered by the Mane 6 & Celestia which has been building up since the start. We want to see the pay off of that--whatever form that takes, and that's why we tolerate watching them go thru all this abuse, suffering, condescension, and self-loathing.
Apart from that, everything so far for Gregory has been a win with very little effort. And that's an improvement for the author when you consider the MC of his other story, A Cloaked Heart, is an even greater Mary Sue. Suddenly after 200k words without foreshadow, since a few chapters ago, there is a shift in focus from that emotional payoff to a whole mystery of extraneous world building that barely connected to the plot, and i'm just supposed to accept that without addressing the previous thread? I won't deny the potential intrigue it has, but that's just sloppy writing, and the eventual alliance is just going to be another win for Gregory so he can strongarm Justin, the changelings, & Equestria into peace negotiations.
That all still doesn't sit well with me, but i'm trying not to complain too much.
An Ending Cinematic Universe, I can see it now
There is always a town, there's always a man, there's always a tree.
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Eh, the term “Mary Sue” has been bandied about so much that it’s basically lost all meaning beyond “main character I don’t like” and for myself I’ve decided to just stop using it a while ago. I suppose one could argue that both Gregory and Jethro have been “too lucky” overall, but that’s at least somewhat subjective and in any event not exactly something I’d consider particularly unusual for protagonists; they get the plot armor because it’s their story (and conversely, real people whose lives make for good stories are way more likely than others to make it into the news and later the history books, so the same bias actually applies there as well).
As to the world building, I’m not particularly fussed; some authors just happen to like it and morbiusgreen is pretty clearly one of those (or else very good at just pretending ). I still fully trust it’ll pay off eventually, it just needs the time and word count to get there on its own terms and in the meantime I don’t really mind following the occasional sprawling epic on this site. That’s what the ‘Tracking’ shelf is for, after all.
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To be fair, has Gregory ever done anything in the story that he failed at? Has he encountered any lasting hardships at all? I'm not saying he is a Mary Sue, but the contrivances that is keeping his happy-go-lucky story going is definitely leaning that way. Being banished is literally the only real and lasting bad thing that has happened to this guy so far, and even that is likely to not only get resolved soon - but resolved in such a way that his personal involvement made the entire thing better for literally everyone he meets.
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That's a given, considering the environment of FiMFic and fan fiction in general. Most people who write are not professional or at least of a certain level of workmanship, and the ones who are either turn it into another source of income or break out on their own as a full-fledged authors with their own original stories. So online outside fomal means, there isn't much for aspiring writers in the way of learning with certainty, apart from good ol' trial & error, as well as reading and learning stuff they want to emulate. Not that I begrudge it, but this place we are in is very forgiving, and casual readers who've been here for long enough have adapted to take to bad with the good, because understandably, there is no harm in justifying all the slog-reading one does for a juicy pay-off that was promised or foreshadowed. So long those promised expectations are kept and flaws are not TOO egregious, a lot of flaws can be forgiven of a middling writer.
Also the use of the term 'plot armor' is a blase & reductionist way to reframe things. Sure it's a trendy and easy term to pick up, but with frequent colloquial use, it inadvertently boils entire character stories and threads down to an unnecessary & unrecognizeable abstract, pros and cons all. It's a very singular term used for its brevity & bite, and really, all characters in every story have plot armor until they don't. For me, i never frame the characters as wearing plot armor, but as vehichles or vessels for the journey the author wants to take us on. Unless obvious mary sues take on win after win, at which point plot armor becomes apparent. Deck stacking is one of the hallmarks of a mary sue.
However, just because you don't like the term, doesn't mean it goes away. Fan fiction (as with the majority of arts at their fringe) is rather flexible with what things can succeed. But just because this environment has less prominence than the professional scene does not mean defintions become invalid. Shoplifting a candy bar is still a crime as small as it is, and mary sues are still mary sues even in fan fiction. Gregory and Jethro (apart from his initial complaining with Athena) are both written to be extremely likeable. I like them myself and could see them as people to become fast friends with, but it's still ridiculously contrived how much they've been rising up since their stories began.
Let's start with Jethro.
He just happened to be in the way of the portal. His patron gives him the power to reconstruct buildings through out-of-body experiences. He then meets Zecora whom he rescued and immediately learned how to speak with her in her native language, endearing him even more so to her and winning her over as his GF. He has his whole house with all his possessions, full utilities, and a copy of the entire internet from his departure. He has good prospects in real estate, and he charitably rescued a malnourished mare/adolescent from the abandoned house he had just bought. Then suddenly his patron goddess dies, but not before turning him into an angel in front of everyone for them to see.
This is where i dropped off, and i am sure there are more, but all that is plainly a mary sue case in the classic execution of wish fulfillment with a dash of power fantasy.
Gregory on the other hand seems a lot more modest, but he still has that telltale trail of wins as well as the deck being stacked in his favor. It's just been woven well into the story along with Mobius's general improvements as a writer. Though that doesn't excuse Gregory winning for so long this far into the story, then driving it down with heel how the Mane 6 messed up and regret at what could have been.
He appeared in the right place at the right time in Griffonstone to find their relic and become the Bearer. The act endears him to the populace that readily earns him Gabby as his GF, as well as a star-studded cast of friends who seem to be set up as foils and better versions of this story's Mane 6. He becomes so popular that they appoint him--a non-griffon--to a position that, in the absence of a king, practically makes him their leader. He makes alliances left and right, and seemingly only has positive effects in the people and renovation efforts around him. And he has a pet drake who guards his dreams and is apparently imparting powers to him under the counter. Last but not least, the extraneous inclusion of the Novans, Atlantis, and the eventual alliance this encounter is likely to end up with is another card gradually sliding into his deck.
This mary sue case is a balance of wish-fulfillment and power fantasy, but one with a grander more realistic execution and better planning, though no less propped up by its victories. Gregory worked to get to where he is...sorta, but 3 months seems hardly equivalent for all his grand achievements, and we hardly see any hard work or struggle which is mostly implied. Instead we witness & vicariously share in the joy and happiness of the milestones of his and his friends' successes, all contrasted to the absolute ass of life the Mane 6 have been having. He settles disputes with wisdom, only enriches the place he finds himself in with no internal turmoil whatsoever, and issues/problems that crop up before him are solved in due time. The only reason Gregory seems like a more modest execution than Jethro is because Jason's own truncated and horrifying Lucifer-esque fall story, which is equally ridiculous, is there to counter balance Gregory's.
In the evolution from Jethro to Gregory, what I see is the execution of the same mary sue, a likeable character who can do no wrong and is winning too much. In this story, the difference is Mobius just got better at surrounding the MC with interesting and well-written interpersonal development of other characters and the political intrigue of the setting. The world is well-built & characters are well-written, and it is all well-thought out and planned. But Gregory is the lynchpin in this story, and the way all these connect back to him is extremely contrived & in favor of him or in the process of turning into his favor. While it is frustrating he wrote the same mary sue twice in essense, still Mobius has gotten better in writing in general, as shown by everything else that seems to revolve around Gregory.
That all said, I'm not arguing against your right to like them or their stories, but the relevant markers are there that place them in the mary sue category.
And please keep note, i don't call things out for the sake of insulting or belittling efforts. Mary sue, as much as people dislike it for being thrown around so much, is still a valid term & definition for those who understand it well & know where it applies. In this case, i'm just calling water wet as it is.
In the end, it's a simple matter, that you're just more forgiving of them than I have the tolerance to not point it all out.
As for your 2nd statement/paragraph, the one on world building, I firmly agree. While I am disappointed in the general handling of Gregory, the direction of the story outweighs his overtly lopsided pros.
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Hit the nail on the head haha
I'd much rather have Jason die to his cancer and hold his ground than have him suddenly (well maybe not suddenly, u get the pt) get filled with love bc Gregory just so happens to talk to him and brings him around somehow. Ik that sounds terrible and Harmony was only saying that it WAS a possibility, but I don't see a way someone of Jason's mentality can be brought around. PLEASE don't go down that road, I see enough of that evil/mis-guided person become good or whatever in anime dammit 😂 I ain't trynna read this man get tortured to hell, fight back and get his revenge, then be redeemed by some random schmuck he hasn't met only bc Gregory says there's still good left or sum shit
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Isnt that the story to which this one is a sequel to?
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Wrong story. This is a sequel to A New Ending.
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Was Equestria ever more peaceful than earth?
When I realized that the dream sequence was showing other story’s of the Ending-verse, my heart nearly jumped out of my mouth, mostly because these stories are real and can be found on this site.
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Jason Wright: Into the Endingverse!
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Let’s go!
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I think ponies are actually worse in some ways.
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Tell that to the Ruskies in Ukraine, the apartment bombing, civilian slaughtering, city-sacking, baby raping monsters; human savagery is very much alive even in civilized times.
Then again, could you call those barbarians civilized actually? They’re more animal than man anyway so maybe that’s a bad example.
Whuut?!
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Jason isn't evil, he's a victim. And Gregory helping him heal would be a good thing before he dies.
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Oh lordy, seriously? Stop acting like the Ukrainians are this bastion of enlightened noble people. They aren't. They burned people alive in a govt building in Odessa while the police did nothing and tried to ban the Russian language from official use despite the fact a huge portion of the people in Ukraine speak Russian. They effectively tried to turn the Russians living in Ukraine into second class citizens and the nation is corrupt as hell.
The Russians ARE people too, so cut it out.
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The fact is no matter where you come from its up to you to choose to be good bad or ugly in what you do.
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are we in agreement though that it was really funny/pathetic when a Russian strike group mistakenly bombed their own city?
I know they're using tech that's at least a generation behind but Christ alive how do you undershoot by that much
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the only thing i cared to glean from that is that Gregory and Jethro are made by the same Author, and i never noticed despite reading both stories simultaneously the past week
I didn't pass completely on what you guys were talking about tho, stupid powerful/lucky or not, they both face consequences for their actions that can't be resolved through brute force of will or power, alternative solutions need to be found and they get hurt as a result, which is more than can be said for actual mary sue Disney (i originally included '/gary stu' but then i remembered they don't do competent male characters anymore, let alone strong ones)
also, anyone who thinks someone being too strong destroys character development, has clearly forgotten the superhero genre exists
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he does that in a few stories tho, I imagine there's more than the two I know about but if it isn't the prequel to this story it might be After The End by Door Matt, which was referenced with the mirror portals dream scene
are we gonna get a list of references or what?
I recognize fewer of the dream scenes than i'd like
the first one I think is just Ending
the second one I am unsure if I recognize but it might be when Discord showed up as Celestia in It Never Really Ends
third is After The End
i don't recognize the altered trial (what happened to fluttershy's cutie mark?)
and I'll be honest i didn't even know good endings were allowed for this universe
I was re-reading this to keep fresh this story in my mind and i realice i didn´t find the one where AJ and Fluttershy are with Jason getting pet and talking about a manticore unless i miss it when looking at the ending-verse group