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darkwalker787


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Daybreaker was neither a real entity nor a figment of Celestia's imagination. It was a figment of Starlight's imagination, in a moment when she was plagued by all sorts of irrational fears. There is no basis to believe there is any validity to it at all.

Does it count if her alternate universe counterpart already beat her to the punch?

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I'm not actually sure to be completely honest with you lol.

10177724
Maybe or maybe not who knows for sure 🤔

10177724 Then how do you explain Celestia's comment of "You will never exist again!"? That seems to imply that she's familiar with Daybreaker. And it seems kind of odd for Starlight to imagine a berserk Celestia out of the blue, unless someone put the mental image into her mind.

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Someone did put the image into her mind: Twilight. She put Starlight in mind of fallen princesses when she said "the last time the princesses fought, Luna turned into Nightmare Moon, and Princess Celestia had to banish her for a thousand years! That can't happen again!" And compounded Starlight's fears and self-doubts. And no, "you will never exist again" doesn't imply anything about Daybreaker other than that she existed at least once - which she did, in Starlight's dream/imaginings. Nor does Celestia need to have actually been Daybreaker at any point to viscerally despise and feel attacked by an imagined dark reflection of herself.

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Daybreaker didn't appear in Starlight's dream until Celestia arrived to try and help her. It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to think Celestia's inexperience with Luna's powers caused her to unknowingly create Daybreaker.

There's also the fact that Daybreaker didn't even acknowledge Starlight, talking to Celestia over her.

Tfw no husband or friends to prevent you from becoming evil
Their retirement was well earned

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And there was how Celestia was taking everything she said personally, as if Daybreaker knew her insecurities, which Starlight doesn't conceivably possess that much knowledge of; her cognitive empathy can be questionable for one thing (not the same thing as affective empathy, mind you).

I mean, where would Starlight know Celestia is much more powerful than she lets on, and is furthermore insecure about it? The Ashlands timeline? Nobody in or out of universe knows the answer to that one, who did it.

Starlight Glimmer: [panting] Going with my gut was the wrong call! I was supposed to bring you two closer together! But I've only driven you apart! If you two can't see why you need each other, then—!
Nightmare Moon: Then I am back! [laughing evilly]
Princess Celestia: Don't worry, Starlight. I know how to handle Nightmare Moon.
Daybreaker: Yes! But can you handle... me?! [laughing evilly]

Daybreaker: [laughing evilly]
Princess Celestia: This can't be!
Daybreaker: If Luna can turn into Nightmare Moon, you can absolutely turn into me — Daybreaker! The better, prettier, and more powerful version of you!
Princess Celestia: No! I'll never turn into you!
Daybreaker: Deep inside, you know how powerful you are. You don't need Luna.
Princess Celestia: That's not true! Even when we were apart, I knew I needed her!
Daybreaker: [laughs] Oh, please! You don't need anypony! You can do whatever you want. And all you have to do is get rid of anypony who stands in your way!

It's easy to notice that in contrast to Nightmare Moon, who first appeared and talked as a response to Starlight saying something, Daybreaker first did so in direct response to Celestia. (And she only even remotely responded to anything Starlight said once, whereas she directly talked to Celestia no less than six times)

Also, how did Luna know Daybreaker's name without having ever heard the name in the episode itself, from anyone? Script error, or... has she heard of or seen Daybreaker before, if under less extreme circumstances?

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