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This was... super hard to follow. I think the actual sex part (penetration), I couldn't tell who was fucking who or if it was stricting Fluttershy and Twilight giving each other blowjobs... all I can tell was that Twilight got a mouth full of Fluttershy's cum from both sexes and Flutterhsy's face got painted, dood. I think there was a creampie but I don't know who got it... I'm leaning to Twilight in that regard though, dood.
5266704 I'll probably end up going back and doing more editing on this, but since Satch had finished her parts weeks ago and I had been waffling over mine the whole time after, when I finally managed to get in a position to finish my parts, I didn't want to hold up the release any longer by nitpicking edits.
Thanks for reading, and I'm on it.
The descriptions on this were quite confusing most of the time, which made the action extremely hard to follow. It also seemed to have some issues with anatomy since as far as I could tell, their clits seemed to be extending like a penis and ejaculating, yet if that was the case, why also give them male genitalia (a sheath and testicles are referenced a few times in the story) if you're going to make their clits function that way and have them never use their new male genitalia?
This needs a lot of work to clear up descriptions and actions so that what is happening can actually be understood by the reader.
5266704 There's no blowjobs in this fic, only cunnilingus :P And only their vulva's ejaculated in this, neither of their penises got off. I'm very open when it comes to using terms generally referred to only one gender. As long as it actually works for both anatomy wise. Which I ensure all of them do. So yeah, no dick action in this. It was only pussies being rubbed on and against each other, squirting creampies, and horseclits being winked and stuffed down throats ;P Sorry if it was a bit messy though, tried to be clear when I wrote those parts. Guess they were a little hard to grasp at times.
5270292 Like said above: I did try to make it comprehensible. But guess it can be hard for some, Especially those with a sorta "locked" mindset of what can refer to what. As like said: I only ever use terms that can actually refer to the gender/genital I use them on, anatomy wise. An no, their clits weren't extending or ejaculating. Or well, unless you count the clit winking as extending xP And the ejaculate came from the vulva, not the clit :P So no, it was regular equine vulva. Bar increased in size ;3 So no, their clits aren't functioning like penises, they're completely regular ones (bar bigger as said). And for why they never used their male genitals: Gee, you tell me. How come most people that do write futa fics, never have the "females" use or pleasure their female genitalia? Or in case of futa on female: Their partners vulva? Or even refer to it, while the male part is getting praised, and a ton of attention? ;P *hint hint*
I guess it might need some polish though. But in general, I guess for the most part, it's more up to the reader to be able to apply terms as unisex rather than male/female exclusive... but I should have mentioned that in the description granted.
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Before anything else, no, it should never be the reader's responsibility to be forced to stop and re-read or parse sections just so that they can understand what is happening. That should be something that you as an author facilitates through your writing.
It is obvious after your response, and seeing your latest blog post that your heavy use of ambiguity was quite intentional, and done to make a very specific statement, and in that regard it does it fairly well. However, to the vast majority of those reading this fic, that come into it without realizing that you're using it as a point in some ongoing argument, it just makes for a confusing, and therefore unenjoyable, reading experience.
Actually quite a few do, though obviously not to the extent of a standard F/F pairing because, and I cannot stress this enough, that is not the main focus of a futa story.
I am certainly in full agreement with you that it should not be completely forgotten about, because including all parts of the body creates a more full experience, but to bemoan that a futa character's female genitalia does not receive equal attention seems to miss the main thrust of why the character was changed to be a futanari in the first place. Futa characters are often used to maintain a specific F/F pairing, but to allow the story to contain sex that is more similar to a M/F pairing. Usually this is simply because it's what the author is more comfortable with or what they feel they know well enough to write a good story. Faulting them for not including something that they may not feel comfortable with, just because it's what you like to see, would be akin to your own readers faulting you for not having more "giant veiny horsecock", as you put it, in your own stories simply because it's what they like regardless of your own desires as an author. It's certainly nice to see both sets of genitalia highlighted, but to fault authors for not doing it seems to be rather missing the point.
5274374 I can mostly agree to that tbh. Only exception would be if they either 1: Don't know what a thing is. (that, they should going with what content+fandom they are reading. But then I mean really obvious things). 2: Terms that have more than one meaning/function, and they're simply too thick to be able to think outside the box.
And actually, this was written long before that blog post. So they are actually unrelated. But yes, the core concept of this was to poke at a specific thing in the fandom. And like said: I at least use a content description. And had quite a few tell me it's enjoyable. Most of which would have wanted some kind of penis action though, even if ex: it'd just made them orgasm vaginally.
... and that was kinda my point: Quite a few, or even a majority; does.
And I don't bemoan that their vulva is not given equal attention, I bemoan when it's given NONE or/and when neither character, gives a single fuck about the female/vulva pleasure. Like the ones that solely focus on the penis. Point being like you said: Using futa is supposedly to keep popular characters and/or pairings, without having to genderswap or whatnot. But in cases when they literally treat it as a genderswap, it's just stupid to see them referred to as female, when they showed clear intentions of not having them be the least remotely female. Then it just feels like a lame excuse to get free promotion of a story, especially ones that doesn't even try to get the slightest IC done. Imo at least: If I'd want to read a fic about ex: Twi and Dash, and it boasted being futa, I wouldn't want to read about ex: A Dash look alike sucking off some random douchebag that looks like Twi. It as you said: Take away the point+main focus of a futa story, along with even using said characters. Then it's basically just them using OC's for straight sex, but knowing none would read it, decide to call said chars for known names. Trailing off here. Two things on the last remarks: Imo, if people have a right to complain that I don't do enough oversized horsecocks, or that I even dare to do a human one. I have equal right to also bitch about what they do "wrong". 2: Like you said: It is nice to see both genitalia highlighted. And imo, pointing it out to them that they rather missed the point of a futa fic would kinda be the logical thing to do. Know my own failed in terms of inclusion of both, but it was as said mainly to point out how stupid it is to do the opposite. (or how to just ignore the vulva entirely, detail and text wise, while writing a monologue for how the penis looks like) Granted, I could have done it better. Like going with vaginal that only had the vulva orgasm. Then pull out the penis and just ignore it's orgasm.
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We do seem to agree on a lot of these points, but I would like to clear a couple things up.
I don't believe either side has the right to do this. Being critical—assuming you use constructive criticism—of how a story is written is something that I feel should be done to help others improve their craft. However, I don't feel that it is ever okay to criticise an author simply because they did or did not include something that a reader likes or dislikes. So, how they include something or the way they treat it in a story should be open to constructive criticism, but simple exclusion or inclusion of something is not grounds for criticism.
I agree that this is a perfectly valid response, and so long as the criticism is kept constructive, it can really help to elevate the level of discourse.
Even your fic here makes a good point, once you understand that it's trying to make one.
As I said before, once I read your response and saw the blog post, I realized that the ambiguity that you used in the story was likely often intentional and actually made the point—that having a futa character but completely ignoring half of that gender identity is a foolish practice—rather well. However it took more to realize this than most readers were likely to give, and so I think you would have been rather well served by having an author's note to bring the point home and to help readers realize that there was a point being made throughout.
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Thank you.
5276403 I'm all for clearing stuff up :P
I don't believe either side has that "right" either. But I'd be damned if one side thinks it's their exclusive right. So while I'd rather have neither side acted that way, I must admit I'm more keen to have it on both sides rather than one.
Anyhow, the only time I apply it, is if someone openly practices the "I have a right to my preference!" but shoots down anyone that tries to have a preference that conflicts with theirs. Like, had one claim that I wasn't allowed to call a futa a "he", because that was insulting to transgenders. As ALL futa HAS to identify, and be referred to as female. Like... how is that not equally offensive? If not more than just implying some futa/herm does actually self-identify as male?
And generally, I try to bring it up in a polite manner. Granted, for some I've had a tad bit much implied sarcasm and the like towards. Or what to call it. (Like, asking why they didn't just use a male to start with if they were just gonna use x as a male anyhow. But then I mean fics that are just blatant porn, and treats the futa interchangeably with a male. Or better yet: Just leave them anon, like a glory hole or something. Then the reader can insert whatever gender they desire.) Dunno, just always found it really pointless to use a character they're not "using" anyhow. Like, if I picked Rarity because I like their design, then have them act like Dash because I like the character more, or something. Just feels odd to me. Trailing off here. your last point makes a ton of sense though, even despite most have prolly read this that will, I'll add that in the end notes.
So, in the end I read it, and...
First, I need to say I have the same point of view as Satch regarding futanari.
But, if the first reason I dislike futa is because of male parts on a female character, another one as much important is the illogical setting of most futafics.
As AnyponyDashie said here:
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Most of the time futanari is used to keep F/F couple but write it like an heterosexual couple because it can be easier (sorry if my interpretation is wrong). I don't really like this argument because it means the author chose the easy way, so if he doesn't want to make any effort to write a convincing story, why should I bother reading it ?
But that's not really a problem, it's just I don't like people choosing the easy way.
No the real problem is that most of the time, futa is not justified. Remember, futanari is a female with both genitalia.
So, logically, in a futa story, the female character should have and use both genitalia. Just saying "she" and "dick" is not sufficient. And once again, most of the time that is what futafics are. A "she" with a penis, and nothing more. Where are her female genitalia ? Maybe hidden by her monstrous and titanesque penis.
Yes, because that's the other problem. A mare with a dick, I say beh (because it's not in my tastes), but in most case, it's only a penis, it's a gigantic one, it's not even necessary to have one that huge, seriously, it's not even supposed to fit anywhere, but somehow it fits everywhere.
So, in the end, we have a female character with a gargantuan dick that never use her female genitalia. So... it's more like a disproportioned stallion refereed as a she than the contrary.
That's the anatomically part.
Now, the coherence.
Except 'The sorcer, the teacher and the wonderbolt', I never read a futafic where the futa was justified.
In this fic, Twilight and her herd wants baby. Solution ? =>futa. I was disappointed when I read that, but I still was ok with it. It was perfectly justified, even if in a magical world there must be other ways, but everyone has there tastes.
But in other fics, no, never any justification. In "Twilight apology to the reader", it's because she's the descendent of an acursed unicorn. But really, in the fic that sounds much like like an excuse than a reason. For exemple, Minuette is a futa too. Twilight is forced to take medication to hide her condition in the fear that Celestia would react badly. But Minuette... no, that's ok, nevermind, everypony know but that's ok. Hey !she lives in the same city and go to the bar every day, how come Twilight never heard of her ?
By the way, at some time, all ponyville knows about Twilight too, and all ponyville wants to fuck her, because she's a mare with a dick. (I probably miss something, but that's not sufficient here, what does that mean ? Every futa characters have a strong sex appeal except for Minuette ?)
Somehow, it's because she'd be able to fuck them with a dick, but like a mare... But... no. No, because she fucks every pony like a stallion and never use her vagina. (Even Lyra who was her first says to her that she's too rough most of the time, and for celestia sake's, she raped Trixie and Gilda !)
So, Twilight could be a feminine stallion, that wouldn't change nothing. (I stopped reading it by the way)
And Trixieverse by Applejinx, Even if some characters were OOC like hell, it was ok until the last book. Celestia is supposed to hate lesbians (even if her sister dates Lyra and she's okay with it, and even if all lesbians in the story are futa in bedtime). That's the reason she hates chaos she used to love when she was a he.
At some point, she discovers she's ok if chaos is female and accept that she's a bi or a lesbian, whatever. So first objective to conquer Chaos back ? Give her a dick ! But...but... she just said she was okay to be a lesbian, and since the first book, she tries to destroy every bit that gives a dick because it's too dangerous... (that's where I stopped reading.)
All this blabla to say in a few words; Most of the time, futafic= Oversized dick with no use of female genitalia and incoherent plot and development.
And now, the comment on the fic at hand.
It could have been better, but in the end, it's only a trollfic and only understandable by those who know how to read Satch fics.
Instead of oversized male genitalia, we have oversized female genitalia (what for ? Who care.) Absolutely no use of male genitalia (Not absolutely true, at some point a testicle is licked). And absolutely no justification as why there is futa in this fic.
True, in the first part, Twilight want this spell to give a mare male reproductive organs. She is supposed to test it with Fluttershy. But... I may not be an expert in the matter, but to procreate, the male part need to penetrate the female part. Here, no, only cunnilingus.
Plus, it seems that the marecum is able to bear male gametes. So, what's the point having a penis ?
Now, I KNOW it's intended that it doesn't make any sense, since the the main goal of the fic is to show the lack of coherent plot in "classic" fuatfics.
Bu it's the problem of this fic, it's what makes it a troll, and probably a private joke. Because I think most people who read futafic don't care about female parts or the size of the penises. Like the author they want female characters fucking like male ones if not better.
So in the end, I think that if the fic wasn't written just to make a point, it could have been better.
Even if I'm not a big fan of penetrative sex, here, the male parts were very moderate. There was a reason for them to be here. An explanation saying they were independent from vaginal stimulation. And they were supposed to be tested for reproduction matter. So, it was logical to be penetrative sex at some point and I think it's because there is not that the fic can be disappointing, deceiving, and somewhat trolling.
I will not comment Satch choice of vocabulary since it's her style and I'm used to it by now. And I even think it was well used here, because it makes really hard to know if female or male parts or used (I even thought for a moment it was not futa with a penis but with Clitoris inflation, which is the only futa kind I like). But once again, it canbe a good or a bad point according to the reader point of view.
5281495 Like said, most futa fics are just "bad", mindless ooc porn. Same goes for the pics. As yes, most of them literally are just r63. But people inist of calling them by female pronouns, because "otherwise it would be gay". And tbh, a majority of the futa fics are just plain awful in terms of plot, story and ic. They're just there to get dick worship on text. I so far, know 2 ½ artists that actually do okay, "proper" futa. And I've read... 1 ½ fics that had decent futa. Rest has just been the "guys with tits", which is a way more accurate term for most futa, as it's what archetype they follow. There's a good reason why I call a huge majority of all "female body, male genital" characters for male pronouns. Because that's what they are. But yeah, most futa shit is just a bunch of fucked up mess. Sadly. I honestly would think it'd be neat if it was a more serious content genre. Not just fetish fuel of oversized dicks, undersized, inaccurate pussy and Gummy knows what...
Anyhow, to response to the reply about the fic: It's actually not "just a trollfic", as it actually has minimal plot, and it tries to get a message through. If it'd been to troll, there'd been a ton more exaggerating.
But yeah, I did reverse the norms. So they got larger vulva, (yet still not close to oversized penis size proportions) and no use whatsoever (barely) of the male parts. As to emphasize how stupid it is to utterly neglect half the point of futa. So yeah, aside from the vague, and semi-lame "how to make kids" excuse, there's no reason for this to be futa at all. Which is a large part of the point with it.
And can correct you on the second part however: She wants to find a way to allow same sex couples to have a child. She never aimed to get a penis. She thought she had a spell figured out, and she tested it. The result was that she was given both genders. (and also: technically the sperm is only needed to get near or in the vag someone, so can be done penetration less.) So her goal with the spell was never futa. It was more of a side effect.
And actually, a TON of the people reading futa fics, going with whines and complaints I've seen, people DO care about penis size, they want to picture huge dicks. And to be told the chars are female to enforce that "they're not gay". Bit less amount of people in the second category, but still there. Anyhow, most also want futa to be "better" than males+females, and thus, describe them as "better than any stallion" and whatnot, along with only have them get off, implying females can't get off like guys can, and as futa are better than guys+are guys...
Like said: Originally planned some vaginal that would have resulted in female orgasm only, then for them to move onto "the good stuff" and resume stimulating their vulvae, just neglecting the penis as it "had it's use" so to speak. But stuff got in the way. And like said: I use only terms that work anatomy wise. And bar the sheath and testicle part, all terms referred to the vulva.
I could not understand this fic at all! If they have penises, they should use them otherwise there is no point of it being a futa.
Final rating 2/10
Non-understandable grammar, fail at description and lacking justification.
Simply a trollfic.
5576482 That's a intended side point of this fic. As why use 1/2 "female" characters to either have one or both be futa, or have the sudden "lets gender swap or use magic for dick, because!" bs, and then never once using the vulvae at all.
Futa fics that literally are m/f or m/m fics are equally pointless. As why even bother to use a futa/female, if just make them act like a male, and/or only use their penis? Same goes in art. If they're not even going to bother to put effort into the female parts, they can just as well use a male if that's all they're interested in. I know some do like the breasts, even if apparently disgusted by female genitals, but even there: just slap tits on your guys, and you're good to go. Literally the same thing.
So yeah, it had a side goal of pointing out the blatant hypocrisy in that. So by your standards, a large chunk of all futa fics+pics are just trollfics/pics. Cuz few of them ever use their vulvae. Making it pointless they're even herm/futa to begin with.
As for the grammar, that could just be you unable to think outside the box. As all terms used, are done so with anatomy in mind.
So take that in mind before next time you decide to (likely) be a hypocrite.