Good always triumphs over evil
Sometimes, Celestia is quite envious of her little ponies. As she stared out the windows of Canterlot Castle, toward a small playground as foals played in the middle of the bustling city. Every single one of those ponies innocent to the horrors and atrocities she and her fellow world leaders have witnessed and that, if Utopia chose too, it could be inflicted again right where they stood.
It was a helpless feeling, not knowing if Utopia would take the fight to Canterlot or not. She prayed they didn’t. Regardless, Equestria and its allies' next moves still need to be decided. With a sigh, Celestia turned away from the window to get right to it.
Celestia pushed open one of the doors, revealing the world’s leaders, or at least those that remained. She appreciated that, despite already being on their way back to their respective domains, that upon hearing the news of the massacre at Utopia, they immediately turned back.
"Good evening, everycreature, I assume you've all heard the bad news?" Celestia asked solemnly.
"We have," answered Prince Rutherford.
"Is it true?" asked Queen Novo. “Did they really kill thirty thousand ponies?”
"Regrettably, yes,” Celestia told them, causing a reflective hush to fall over the group, processing the ramifications of such an act. “I can safely say that the attack on the humans' camp was a resounding failure.”
"… and Steel Horn?" asked King Talon.
"He was captured," Ember replied. “He stayed behind so he could buy the rest of us time to escape.”
King Talon only sighed.
“Of course the fool would do that,” he said, knowing that’s just the kind of soldier Steel Horn was.
“Did we at least inflict heavy casualties on them in kind?” Talon asked.
Celestia silently stared at him for a moment, contemplating on how she was going to reveal this information. She could sugarcoat it, but it'd be best not to. They needed to know exactly what they're dealing with.
This time, it was a stunned silence that permeated the meeting room.
“You’ve gotto be kidding me,” Talon frustratingly said, his claw going to his face.
"None?! None?! How?! Even the corporation couldn't have defended against an army that large without suffering a single casualty!" King Talon said, though those that knew him could sense the panic in his voice.
"I think we should listen to what she has to say before yelling at her," High Priestess Ada told him. "So Princess Celestia, what exactly happened?”
"We never engaged with any of the First Humans directly," Celestia explained. “Instead, they employed the use of drones, a weapon that can fly and fight without a pilot.”
"Didn’t the corporation only have a few hundred of those particular types of machines?” Ada asked. “That’s nowhere near enough to defeat an army of that size before we brought a substantial amount of them down. How many of these machines did they have? " Ada asked.
"Well, we're not dealing with the Corporation anymore, that's for sure. These guys are so much worse," said Cadence.
"By the last count I heard, Ten thousand," said Celestia.
"What?" Ada asked, stunned.
"Additionally, these drones were nothing like the Corporation's. They couldn't be brought down with a few well-placed arrows like theirs could. They had some kind of armour surrounding them, and whatever metal they used for the plating couldn't even be damaged by our weapons," Celestia told her.
"So, what exactly are we dealing with here?” asked King Talon. “And more importantly, what are we going to tell the minotaurs and the general public? We can’t just say nothing," asked King Talon.
"I’m going to have to let the changelings know what happened as well,” Thorax said. “So many of our people… died… during the attack. I can’t just not tell them.”
"I agree with Thorax, “Ember said. “My personal guard were among the casualties as well. At least their families deserve to know what happened.”
"We'll…" Celestia let out a solemn sigh.
"We'll compensate their families,” Luna said. “Those who… passed… paid the ultimate price to defend our nation. They were good ponies, and the First Humans just slaughtered them without a moment's hesitation.”
"I'll visit them personally," Cadence offered.
"Cadence, even I want to see all of them and tell them what happened, but there were roughly thirty thousand -" Celestia was cut off.
"It’s the least we can do for them!" Cadence yelled, "The least we can do is visit their families. Like Luna said, they were heroes, and we should treat them as such."
"Alright, if that’s settled, then what are we going to tell the general public? About the First Humans?" King Talon asked.
"The truth, every word of it,” Celestia answered. “We can't lie, not after this. Not after their sacrifice. I'll tell the same thing to the minotaurs so they can send another stand-in representative in King Steel Horn's place. We’ll send identical messages to all of your respective nations."
“Well, in that case, what’s next?” Queen Novo asked.
"The first thing we'll have to do is fortify against a potential attack," said Luna, "We'll have to deploy a considerable number of soldiers at all of our major cities, and have them send updates back to us regularly, preferable every half an hour so we'll be able to send reinforcements if any of them are attacked.”
"What makes you think they're going to attack us? Surely their lust for blood has already been quite quenched," said Cadence.
"We attacked them, do you think they'll just ignore that?" asked Luna
"Yes," Cadence replied. “As it stands now, we pose no threat to them, so why come attack us here?”
"Let me ask you this,” Luna posed. “If some other nation were to attack the Crystal Empire, even if you managed to defeat them, would you just let it go? Or would you launch an attack against them in retaliation?"
"I know what you want me to say, but this is completely different," Cadence reasoned.
"You're right, this is different,” Luna rebutted. “This is much worse.”
"That's enough, both of you," Celestia told them.
"Well, they can't get away with this, and they have to be dealt with," said King Talon, "From what you've seen, they're pretty much indestructible, so what do you propose we do? We can’t just surrender and watch our world burn!"
"That's where you're wrong,” Celestia countered. “They aren't indestructible. They're just immune to magic. Their war machines may resist any and all of our weapons and their weapons may have ranges of several kilometers, but they're not indestructible," said Celestia.
"Sounds pretty indestructible to me," King Talon muttered under his breath.
"We've been going about this all wrong,” Celestia said, ignoring Talon. “So far, we've been using magic and swords and bows and arrows to fight them and if we continue to fight this way, we stand no chance," Celestia told them.
"Then how do you propose we fight them if we do not use our most powerful weapons?" asked King Rutherford.
"We fight fire with fire,” Celestia said. “We have to use more powerful, more physical methods, like bombarding them with cannonballs both from the ground and from our military airships. We focus on what humans can’t replicate, and that’s our magic. We create massive storms to protect us from their jets, we launch our own projectiles at them, we utilize magic as the propulsion of the weapon and not the weapon itself. For example, I sincerely doubt any of their war machines would be able to withstand lava, and our unicorns should be able to launch magma-based projectiles at them with relative ease. I’m not saying that’s the best option, since it would be extremely inefficient, but the point I’m trying to make is that they aren't invincible. We can defeat them, we just have to get more… creative," Luna explained.
"Even if we started throwing large rocks at them, hitting them with balls of weaponised magma, launching tsunamis at them, or hitting them with bolts of lightning, they're still going to have the advantage. As devastating as your methods may sound, a shot from one of their guns is much quicker and more likely to hit its target than everything you've just mentioned," King Talon pointed out.
"Then we’ll make our own guns," said Luna.
"How exactly do we do that?" asked Ember.
The Sisters looked to each other, making sure the other was alright with what Celetia was about to say next.
"We… still have some First Human weapons in our possession,” Celestia revealed. “We already have a point of reference to base them off of, and we've just recently discovered something similar to what the First Humans call gunpowder, the final component we need to start making our own guns. We've already began using them to make working cannons, and a gun isn't that far behind. I'd say it's even easier than making cannons since the projectile is much smaller, " Celestia replied.
"Now, hold on!” Priestess Ada shouted. “You told us all the First Human weapons had been destroyed!"
"You even asked all of us to destroy whatever First Human weapons we had in our possession! You were the one who said such weapons should never ever be used!" Ember yelled.
Soon enough, the entire room was full of the enraged screams of the other leaders of Equs, who had been lied to by Celestia.
"Everycreature, please,” Celestia silenced the room. “I apologize for our dishonesty, but we had to have something to defend against any threat that showed up that was much too powerful. Considering our current predicament, it seems like we made the right choice.”
"And I'm guessing you would have used them on any kingdom that opposed you as well, am I correct? I'm sure that counts as a threat," High Priestess Ada asked her.
"Of course not,” Luna denied. “We didn't keep them for the purpose of taking over the world or something. We kept them to defend against actual threats!"
"Are you trying to say that you wouldn't consider my kingdom a threat if we were at war?" King Talon asked, insulted.
"No! I- I mean yes! Argghhh! We don't have time for this! The First Humans could show up at any time! We need to be figuring out a way to combat them, not bickering amongst ourselves!" Luna shouted.
Priestess Ada signed, relenting on her anger. Luna did have a point, after all.
"Luna is right. Despite the fact that Equestria has betrayed our trust, we have much more pressing matters at hand now. We can deal with this later, but if we don't figure out a way to beat these much stronger First Humans, there won't be anything to deal with anymore," High Priestess Ada tried to calm everyone down.
"The priestess is right. We need to be discussing strategy. Our fight is with them, not with each other," Queen Novo backed her up.
"Fine!" King Talon relented. "But this conversation isn’t over," he said, facing Celestia and Luna, "I hope you'll stay back for a while after this meeting is done. I wish to speak with you, and I'm sure some of the others will wish to as well."
"I will. For now, shall we discuss on how to best approach this situation?" Celestia asked the rest of them. "If anycreature has any ideas, now would be a good time to tell us," she said.
There was a pause for a moment, before one of them raised their hoof, someone rather unexpected.
"Thorax, you don't have to raise your hoof to speak,” Celestia told him.“This isn't a classroom. Just voice your opinion.”
"Okay, thanks," he looked around at everyone else. He was still a bit new to this whole leader thing, and was quite nervous to be at the centre of attention. "Umm… well… it's clear we can't fight them face to face, they're far too strong. So, if we can't fight like every other creature, we have to fight like changelings.”
"I think I might have an idea where this is going, but can you please elaborate?" Cadence asked.
"As much as I would hate to admit it, the changeling kingdom is probably the weakest nation out of all of us when it comes to brute strength and raw power. Yet, under Queen Chrysalis, we were able to consistently conquer entire nations with superior military power despite us having much lower numbers by replacing some of their moderately high ranking leaders, such as nobles, and gaining information about the nation we wish to conquer. Then, we make our move and replace their top leaders. Once we've replaced the higher ranking officers of their army, we already have the nation completely under our control, but the rest of the soldiers wouldn't just give up and willingly submit the citizens of their nations to be fed on. So, we replace about half of the nation’s army before we attack with an ambush. Due to the sudden shock of it and our sheer numbers, we were able to easily overwhelm their defenses and defeat them," Thorax explained.
"That would be an excellent way of waging this war! Except for the fact that Utopia is immune to magic, and even if it weren’t it’s too heavily fortified. None of you will be able to get into Utopia, let alone be able to replace thousands of their troops. Besides, the First Humans now have hundreds, maybe even thousands of ponies to interrogate, and one of them is bound to have revealed your existence, and even if they didn’t, they have still encountered Chrysalis. Hay, they probably have some changelings in their custody right now as well. That means increased security," King Talon pointed out.
"Actually, I think we can find a way around that particular obstacle," said Celestia, "The First Humans are likely to launch another attack in retaliation, the question is where. We can easily make Ponyville look relatively unguarded, luring them there for an easy win. During the battle, some changelings can slip in and replace some of them. From what I've heard, they wear helmets, so they won't recognize the changelings at all if they take the appearance of some random human. We can’t risk replacing a high-ranking official just yet, so the changeling should replace some of their regular soldiers and citizens and try to find some information that suggests a weakness of any kind, while also getting us some insight as to what exactly we're dealing with. If possible, the changelings might even be able to steal some of their weapons for us to examine."
"Alright, I am in favor of this strategy, but it can only work if we all can put up a convincing cover so that the changelings can do their part undetected," King Talon told everyone.
"That's correct,” Luna confirmed. “Once we've revealed the situation to the public, we can begin producing more weapons and ready the airships with them," said Luna.
"That's good. In the meantime, Thorax, send several of your changelings to Ponyville disguised as regular Equestrian citizens. Once the First Humans attack, we'll go through with the plan for infiltration. For now, we should speak about the actual war that we'll have to wage. I assume all of you are with us?" Celestia asked them.
"Yes, I'll begin transporting soldiers and weapons to Equestria to assist in the war effort at once. With our armada of airahips, I expect we'll be able to have roughly four thousand airships carrying about one hundred and fifty Griffin troops each brought here within the week. We can also use the armada to assist the rest of you in bringing troops and equipment as well, if you wish" King Talon offered.
"The Empire should be able to provide over three hundred thousand soldiers in about roughly two to three days," Cadence said.
"Yaks will provide six hundred thousand troops to assist, however, we will need the griffin's help to transport them since we only have a few hundred airships," said King Rutherford.
"The hippogriffs will be able to spare roughly two hundred thousand troops to help defend Equestria," Queen Novo offered.
"I hope fifty thousand dragons will be enough for you. A single dragon is worth a hundred soldiers, they say," said Ember.
"I apologize, but the zebras still shall not participate in this war directly. However, we are still on the side of Equestria and we do hope you win," High Priestess Ada told them.
"Very well," Celestia said, "I shall have over five hundred thousand ponies ready immediately to help the cause, with a few hundred thousand more in reserve. I'll send a messenger to the Minotaur Kingdom and inform them of what has happened. I imagine they’ll provide us with a surplus of soldiers and supplies to aid in the war effort, especially since they'll want their king back. For now, shall we conclude this meeting? I have a speech to write, followed by answering the questions of many angry and worried ponies, especially after what happened with the army we sent to Utopia."
"Celestia, I did say that I wish to speak with you and Luna," King Talon reminded.
"Of course, King Talon, ask what you must, but my point still stands that I did it to ensure our safety if a larger threat ever did show up, and that time is now upon us," said Celestia.
"Citizens of Equestria! I am sure many of you know about the rather large army that was sent to deal with what we told you were human rebels," Celestia announced, "Regrettably, in the effort to avoid a nationwide panic and potential slave rebellions, we could not tell you the entire truth.”
Loud murmurs began to erupt amongst the audience, some were slightly worried that their ruler had to hide anything from them while others were wondering what the army had really gone.
Celestia raised up her hoof and the crowd began to gradually calm down until there was nothing but silence.
"The threat was indeed human in origin, but they were not rebels. Instead, they were a highly advanced faction of humans that we call the First Humans. These humans are nothing like the slaves you keep. They are much… much worse, and they are a huge threat to the entire world. They possess a near absolute resistance to magic and have weapons that one could only find within the realm of fiction, or in one's very nightmares," Celestia told them.
"I’m sure you all have plenty of questions about this new threat, and I will try to answer them as best I can," Celestia paused for a moment to take a look at the ponies' faces, most of them full of shock or confusion.
"First of all, the humans we fought in the Great War, at least at first, lived alongside ponykind, and were thus able to be effected by our magic because of it. However, this is not the case with the First Humans. They are the remnants of an ancient civilization that once ruled our world long ago. This particular subset of First Humans had managed to isolate themselves long ago in an enormous bunker built beneath Tartarus. Since the First Humans hail from a time before magic, they do not contain any, rendering magic useless against them. When the First Humans first appeared, they gave us many gifts, most of which we find in the technology we use to this very day. Their generosity and benevolence ended, however, when they discovered the path to immortality, one that involved us. This was what led to the Great War" Celestia then continued describing the war in great detail.
She told them about what the world was like over a million years ago and how the First Humans used to rule over everything. She told them about how the First Humans were much more technologically advanced than they were and how they had such an understanding of science and maths that they were even able to go to mars.
She described the First Human weapons in great detail, telling them about guns, tanks, military aircraft, and even the “world enders.”
She told them of how the goal of the humans during the Great War wasn't just the complete eradication of ponykind. She told them of how the First Humans discovered a way to use an amplified version of Grogar's bell to absorb the passive magic from the people of Equs and transfer it to themselves, extending their lifespan.
She told them of how the Vega Corporation indoctrinated the local humans and corrupted them, turning them into a cold, violent species who captured anyone they came across to go through the process.
She told them of how Discord was the one to help defeat them by figuring out how to arm a nuke and destroy them with one of their very own “world enders.”
She told them about the fact that these newly emerged First Humans seemed to be much stronger than the ones they had first fought against. She told them that the First Humans were the greatest threat to have ever emerged, far greater than Tirek or Chrysalis or even Grogar.
"But let me tell you this, my little ponies. What happened several days ago shall not happen again. The last time we fought, they had the element of surprise. We knew nothing about them, while they knew all about us. Such a tactic only works once. Now, we know all about them, and this time, they won't be able to turn any of our local humans into soldiers to help them commit their atrocities. Their numbers are only in the few thousand, while there are over five billion of us. They continue to hide in their hole which they crawled into millenia ago, too cowardly to emerge because they know now that they do not have the element of surprise, they stand no chance in direct conflict. The First Humans, both then and now, have partaken in despicable actions that not even I can begin to describe. We do not yet now what they wish to do to us, but we know that it will end with either the complete destruction of society as we know it, or the complete genocide of all ponykind. However, they cannot fathom the experience of ponykind over the last several years, as we’ve proven again and again that good always triumphs over evil… and once evil comes knocking on our door, we and all of our fellow nations of Equus will declare in one voice, ‘We won’t go quietly into the night! We will not vanish without a fight!’ We are going to live on! We’re going to survive! And we’re going to show the First Humans exactly what Equestria is made of!”
In including this here so no one will miss it. Read the authors note (the section underneath this) since it'll be very important this time and have something relevant to the story.
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To think because they are holding a grudge against the corporation they started a war they couldn't win. The humans below weren't sitting around for years. They become stronger than them simply because they never stopped trying to make things better.
There's an upcoming massacre on the horizon.
Thus it begins, the slaughter.
Sorry, sorry, I just wanna rant a bit.
My goodness, the way Celestia, Luna and Cadance twisted the events of the battle is infuriating and manipulative. They didn't even mention Utopia's attempts to get them to back down, all they said to the other world leaders is that they killed 30,000 guys, captured Steel Horn and they're bad. They twisted the event to get other nations to jump in the bandwagon. Why couldn't they just give up? If you're not giving up, at least hear out Utopia's demands before sending more to the meat grinder.
You should be dethroned, Celestia. I can tell you're still mad about how you perform in the last war, took the whole world and a thermonuke just to bring down a corporation. Also, sending more of your little ponies into a pointless war just because you're too proud and spiteful to wave the white flag, only for them to return with/in bits and pieces or in caskets and then use them as propaganda material to show that Utopia is bad is downright childish and petty. Why are you mobilizing your entire country for war, huh? Is it to protect your little ponies or you just want to see Utopia beaten?
Also, good luck trying to advance straight from medieval equipment to modern weaponry in a span of a single war(that is if the guns aren't damaged from more than 1000 years of disuse unless if you guys added some preservation spells), the technology gap is far too wide for you to reverse engineer that fast. Best you can get within a year are muskets and hand cannons. However, inventing them is one thing, producing them is another and training with them is on a whole different level. Considering your country isn't industrialised, weapon production would consume a lot of time. Especially, if your workers have no experience in musket building, all they would have is a blueprint of it, or maybe a prototype. So your initial variants would most likely be faulty since you would want it to be mass-produced to equip your whole army. For you bastards to whip out a single fully fledged and properly trained musket unit would take a year at best.
Even if Twilight changes her opinion about Utopia, I bet she couldn't convince Celestia to the negotiation table because she's just too proud to do that.
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I agree with you.
FYI: You know that you released your humans into radioactive hell, don't you?
A half-life of 1 million years means that after 1 million years the radiation has gone down by half, not by 100%.
Honestly, in my Fanon opinion Changelings should only be able to disguise as equinoids, but annoyingly the show has told us otherwise. It probably wont work here anyway.
Oh the Sunbutt is gonna lose a whole lot of her little ponies before she might consider actual negotiations. Or just wait till other leaders put more serious pressure on her for sending their kind to the grinder in order to protect Equestria(plus the betrayed trust from previous war with that corporation), while their nations are likely getting left defenceless against other things, like say opportunistic insurgents/factions or wild monster attacks, etc... that most likely would pop up when armies are gone. Just saying.
Yeah right just like when America attacked Vietnam
the first humans will beat them, Chrysalis will be able to tell if there's changlings or not
Oof, karma came & bit you on the ass you bitch good luck gaining support when the truth comes out to populace of the other nations.
Do they have their weapons a safety lock similar to a Judge Dredd & Winter soldier where anybody else uses them they blow up? Dafuq is thorax smoking. The only reason Chrysalis took over Equestria easily is because of shining being a complete dumbfuck.
Hmmm she's playing it safe isn't she just after she found out Equestria just shat on her face.
Ah yes celestia the dumbfuck pretending/thinking that she's playing 5-d chess but in actuality she's playing a Russian Roulette with a semi-automatic pistol instead and Equestria is glass house were it'll fall to pieces if you chuck a stone.
Shut.
What are the Kirins doing in all of this? I know their rather forgettable but I kinda wanna know.
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Yes, but they did the thing where they gradually exposed themselves to the radiation in small doses to develop immunity remember?
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Good chapter, I just hope that the Legion of Doom and humanity manage to win and recover what is yours.
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Kinda forgot they existed
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No anti pony triggers. Anyone can use the guns.
That’s not 100% true. You’re just using them wrong.
That’s actually pretty smart.
And you didn’t say anything?
Then why couldn’t the others do the same thing?
So that’s how they do it.
I hope Utopia spied on some of this; they can reveal the lies and hypocrisy (fought out of self-defense, not to subjugate as of yet, thoug hI don't like that they're losing the moral high ground by dealing with the evil trio), and manage to negotiate.
As for a "good" ending, as talked about by others days ago, I'd say that the best ending is one where Utopia manages to survive as an independent human state, having forced or convinced the other nations to give up slavery and treat all humans as their equals, and help imprison the Legion of Doom.
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That is true. But I think the question might be how long it would take for your average (soldier) ponies to use a (advanced) gun SAFELY? Telekinetic floating or not, there is a certain responsibility to their usage and all that.
What are the Young 6 doing right now? Because that's where Cozy Glow appears and this is T9
"Good always triumphs over evil"
Has it? I feel like that's only happened twice
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Probably wouldn’t even come to that
They know they have shapeshifters they would most likely assign each person a code they would also keep track of how many of each person went on missions and they would also have cameras and other tech to transmit their location
What if later on in the story. When rhe world leaders and some of the equus world leaders are feeling more open to compromise. A massive debate is held where the utopian citizens are voting on rather or not to wage outright war on the creatures. And the equus world leaders are watching on TV set up by some utopian allies. That also one peace. And it looks like they're voting against the war. Until a shady human possibly Atticus. Brings up security footage of of Twilight refusing to save Eris. Causing a massive surge of votes for war. And horrifying Celestia that twilight would do such a thing creating a rift between them. And making Celestia realize more than ever that her Anti-human policies have gone too far. Also what I was thinking could be good for a non cannon April fool's chapter. Is if in an attempt to travel back in time Is to warn their past selves about the Utopian attack or something. The main 6 are actually blasted into the universe of the a starbound revival fanfic or a similar universe.
https://www.fimfiction.net/story/250963/a-starbound-revival
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What do you think about transporting them to the nazis in the middle of ww2? I might actually do that as a side plot.
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That could be taken as celestia not knowing what a half life is
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Still even with no trigger guard triggers are small and sensitive.
They were built to be pulled by one finger, not the hoof.
It would be like trying to fire using your whole hand on the trigger.
They would need to enlarge it but that in itself causes other problems,like its position and catching on other stuff, etc
That's not even counting that they don't walk on 2 legs.
And only sometimes, for a moment.
So they wouldn't be able to shoot.
And also shoot accurately and for a long time.
They would need to sit to shoot to even have a small chance of hitting something close with their pre musket guns.
With isn't also the best.
Also mounting guns on their backs is stupid and also wouldn't work.
Its easy to see why, and trust there is a lot of reasons.
One of the easier and short ones to write down are:
Alicorns seem to think that gun is only a barrel, black powder, and bullet
Yeah, they will fuck it up.
Not only considering that they can't mass-produce this
That's not even to adding to that gun components that made it so useful, like gas chamber(the gun part not the place), etc
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(This also fits as an answer to you)
Also considering that they didn't preserve the weapons they probably are rust and dust.
Any preservation magic didn't work because magic wouldn't work on human things
You know that guns existed in medieval times?
Yeah, the previous version of muskets in a way.
They were so bad, that bows were still a much better option.
The only reason they were used was while you would probably miss everything with it, in very close combat if you hit someone they would die thanks to the ball leaving the body and creating a bigger hole, unlike arrows that would leave a chance for survival.
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now it would be funny when Queen Chrysalis see that her plan is using by her upsurper
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they are not important for the war so they are not mentioned i guess
unless The Tree of HARMory give them some bull-sht Friendship Buff
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Going to School, I imagine.
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What do you mean by Cozy Glow appearing?
She already revealed herself as a villain, and was released by Discord.
Please don’t “magically” give them machine guns and sniper rifles. Despite what people think it takes a lot of know how just to make a basic rifle from scratch. The humble spring alone is one of the most difficult parts to make, especially for sustained fire. We take them for granted in our industrialized way of life, but ponies would have to make them from scratch. Which means they would vary widely in quality, even the best blacksmith would likely have trouble making one suitable to be used in a “True Assault Rifle” (A rifle capable of fully automatic fire, not semi-auto, sorry media lies). That’s not even including the issues with ammunition manufacture, black powder isn’t suitable for those kinds of weapons either as it quickly fowls up the barrel, and is much weaker. The best they could do would maybe be Gun Cotton, as it was the earliest form of smokeless power, and was somewhat easy to make, but like black powder it was discovered by accident. They might not have any reference of such a substance, additionally their knowledge of chemistry likely is lacking. Even making the ammo casing would require advanced metal working technology. Do ponies have dyes they can use to form them? If so would they be within acceptable tolerances? What about primers? They would be a nightmare to manufacture, never-mind pack them with primacy contact sensitive explosives (more advanced chem).
It would be refreshing if a story actually showed the problem with trying to skip ahead on the “technology tree”. Having Celestia hit a wall like Blueblood in “The Thousand Year Change” would be entertaining. Even if the guns were preserved I’m doubtful they could copy the physical aspects properly, they simply don’t have references for what does what and why. The powder chemically would have also changed from all this time, which would make it hard to reverse engineer under the best of circumstances. Finally, you have the problem of the weapons being made for humans, and not ponies. While the bipeds would be able to use them fairly well, quadrupeds would likely struggle considerably, even with magic I’m doubtful would be ideal. As part of the ergonomics of a rifle is to absorb the shock of firing into your shoulder. Without something to properly absorb the shock any weapon the unicorns use would be widely inaccurate.
Honestly all humanity has to do is nuke key strategic locations and then all of equestria starts to cannibalize itself ie
destroy major trade routes/ transport hubs
destroy major agricultural centres
destroy cloudsdale As it has all the supplies for Weather manipulation
Once there are destroyed the country will be unable to supply itself and stave and thus it will be way harder to mobilize
Stupid facking ponies, you know nothing of the might of humanity, you will lose this war as ignorant and foolish as you began it
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They also probably don’t have supply lines to support mass production even if they had the technology and knowledge to make them
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Well, this comment was really helpful. I obviously wasn't gonna immediately give them rifles and stuff but I was thinking maybe it would make sense to have them be able to use the guns as a point of reference and manufacture something like muskets or something like that. Would they be realistic? You seem to know guns.
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hey i think the two pic here can help you out. it's the only stuff i can think of, that the Ponies could have made in the next 50 years. https://science.howstuffworks.com/innovation/inventions/who-invented-the-first-gun.htm
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Muskets were only useful and accurate in mass line formations XD
Considering that ponies will be fighting in lines,an enemy that won't fight like them, will just make it easier for humans to kill them XD
Also, I'm pretty sure Kyuubi325 only mentioned only a tip of a pile problems ponies will face. If we started writing we would make the comment section look like a Wikipedia page XD
Ponies would need to completely build new guns, different shape,etc to be usable for them
Generally in that short time,ponies won't be able to build anything useful to them , other that
what is mentioned here 11061927
archaeology.org/images/MJ2020/Weapons/Weapons-Cannon-Illustration.jpg
You said the ponies had radios, right? Maybe jam their signals and blast propaganda across the nation
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Oh, yes.
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Muskets would definitely be more realistic, it might not really put them at much of an even playing field, but it would be a step in the right direction to allow them to experiment with the ergonomics. While at the same time giving their troops a slight increase in combat effectiveness. I suppose they could experiment with revolving muskets, but keep in mind these weren’t widely used for a reason. More often than not firing one round would set the others off. With this, I would say the hardest part would be making a barrel that could handle the gas pressure. But they could definitely do that and it would be more realistic then suddenly giving ponies machine guns and rifles. The trigger mechanism, probably wouldn’t be too hard for them to come up with, especially if they have some clock makers, alternatively a little trial an error by a black smith never hurt. Out of all the different ignition systems I feel like the matchlock would probably be the most likely to be used at first. As it would be very similar to how they ignite their powder, basically using a little controlled fire to light it. But that’s not to say that a flintlock isn’t also possible, I’m assuming they at least have some flint for fire making after all.
I’m glad to help! It says a lot when you listen to constructive comments, it’s a great way to improve your writing! Also, ya I probably know a little too much about guns since my family has worked in the small arms industry for generations. Sorry for the info dump!
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Hah. That’s kinda funny actually. Can they be pro human tho if they start to exist in the story?
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Yeah I already mentioned it a couple of chapters before but unfortunately humans act like Sims for now and can't multitask
King Talon does have a point there.
Heh!
Better idea: They could disguise themselves as slaves, and after being freed (or their successful escape) they will start talking to their rescuers, learning more about them.
Maybe the Utopians will even offer to join them, and to train the former slaves in the usage of weapons.
Good chapter!
I look forwards to the next part.
It will probably either be about Utopia again, right?
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And don't forget about the deer, either!
You are correct Celestia: in battles like this, good triumphs over evil. What you still don't realize is that the mass amount of slavery you've engaged in means you're not the good in this equation!
Becoming more and more of a fan of pony genocide as we go on. Like holy fuck I wanna nuke Canterlot rn.
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I agree with both of you, just don't forget that human bullet proof armor is built to deal with gunfire of a higher caliber than a musket, but ironically is not designed to deal with cutting forces. (such as swords or knives.)
Edit: Unless we are talking the reinforced stuff which is HEAVY, though an exoskeleton would alleviate that I would imagine.