"Ah can't believe we're seein' this," Applejack said, eyes wide. "I can't believe this is happening right in my bedroom," Rarity said, blinking rapidly. "I can't believe this isn't butter!" Pinkie said, tossing a handful of popcorn into her mouth.
5827964 A story about rape is not illegal. A story about child porn however can be construed as illegal. It's been used as evidence in courts before. (Albeit usually alongside graphical porn or actual child porn as supporting evidence that the photographs they found were not a one off thing.) But evidence that has gained convictions in courts none the less.
At no point does anyone say rape is not illegal. At no point does anyone say it is not a bad thing. I don't know where the fuck your projections about illegal immigrants comes from. Stop putting words in peoples mouth. Don't get your panties in a wad over nothing.
5827978 The disclaimer doesn't say the story is not illegal, or that the things that happen in the story are not illegal to write about, it says that nothing that happens in this chapter is in any way, shape, or form illegal.
The illegal immigrant bit is the part where the guy's threats are given credibility because Sunset is essentially an illegal immigrant. That's why she can't afford to be taken to court.
If Sunset wasn't 18 in these stories, they wouldn't be allowed on the site anyways. Putting a disclaimer about legality is just silly, plus it's worded poorly enough that it's easy to misunderstand it.
5828061 Look... It's just a story, right? Let's not start this please. It's all a fantasy that's happening to people that don't exist, and it really doesn't matter what the legality of it is. If you want to discuss Hi-Def's morals then yeah, he's a giant asshole who is taking his revenge too far. However, because this is just a story made for our amusement, I really don't think we should clutter his comments section with pointless moral speculation ESPECIALLY because the author was only mentioning that this STORY is 100% legal.
@Mythril: No, this is totally rape. The story itself is not a moral transgression, but the actions described definitely are. You can say you didn't intend it that way, but that's what you wrote. Litigation threats (of dubious basis; I'm fairly certain anything he got from the lawsuit would be irrelevant in the face of the criminal charges he'd face) to extort sex are totally illegal. Not to mention if he had tried a lawsuit, it wouldn't have worked (assuming EG is set in a generally American setting). Sunset explicitly voices non-consent, so... yeah, it's totally rape.
Now, I'm not going to say writing this scene was morally wrong – because I don't believe it is – but at least don't try to stifle criticism with lies.
5828095 It's... Well, the author put a note to make sure to stave off a comment storm regarding potential underage sex, and that's good. But rape is a pretty touchy subject, and there was no warning there. Even a note saying that the story contains rather ambiguous content would have been nice. Yes it's a story, and such, but not everyone likes this kind of fantasy. Generally a little red flag at the start is usually all it takes so that people who don't want to see it will just move on. Anyone who sees a warning and ignores it has no grounds to complain if it doesn't break site rules. But on the flip side, someone who gets blindsided is generally going to say something. There is not, as far as I know, any requirement to put trigger warnings of any kind, but there isn't much reason not to.
5828046 Site rules say that any underage sex with human characters is prohibited. (Foalcon is allowed, but not humans. Not sure about anthro.) Or at least was last time I had checked. I don't think this has changed, but I might be wrong. As Sunset is the main character here, I am guessing the note specifies her for that reason, but I would figure anyone in her class is probably meant to be seen as her age.
5828206 Let's be fair now, Mythril isn't saying anything. He didn't want the comments to become a shitstorm, yet here we are on the precipice. Only other people, not the author, are arguing what Hi-Def did is ok legally. I don't know why I find myself so irritated by this, but I think it's because Mythril specifically stated he didn't want this for the comments. I'll say it like I said in my other comment, let's please just let it all go...
5828453 Yeah your right, and I understand that. I just really don't like comments sections that end up devolving into shit, and I guess I was just trying to head it off... I seriously just stumbled upon this story from another story, and when I saw the comments heading down that way, well, I guess I just acted on my own impulse. It is a little presumptuous of me to assume I need to do that though
5828505 Usually, rape, or even something that looks like rape, is almost inevitably going to result in at least a minor crapshower. One of the reasons I advocate trigger warnings, is a fair chunk of the people who get upset simply don't read the story, and it removes a lot of the ground on which the rest can stand on, but there is no stopping it altogether. Usually just best to wait it out.
TBH, you should just say in the description that some chapters contain dubious consent, or "dubcon." We got the token bit about how she enjoyed it afterwards, so you cna get away with not calling it rape, but defnitely some warning for the people who don't want to read that - the character's age isn't really their point of contention. If you really want, say something like, "This is a story about people "doing" Sunset, and she's not very well-liked. That should be an indicator about the content."
Man, did I ever underestimate the potential for people around here to be (a) clueless, (b) determined to tumblrize the hell out of anything, and (c) keep chasing that one mailman that doesn't even exist.
Everyone who's screaming rape here and ignoring the fact that she could've walked away, offered to work out an installment plan, offered to help raise funds another way, or like a dozen other things but chose to voluntarilydo the porn video is (a) missing the point entirely, (b) doesn't "get" why that disclaimer is there, and (c) generally shouldn't be dragging their own ethical baggage into a place where it is neither welcome nor appropriate.
Let me spell it out for you:
The disclaimer is referring ONLY to Hi-Def making a porn video of Sunset Shimmer with the intent to sell it for profit. WITH her informed consent. That's ALL the disclaimer is referring to. Jeez, you'd think people would be able to pick up on that from the context clues.
I go to bed for a few hours, I come back to THIS crap...seriously.
Honestly you would have gotten none of this response if you hadn't put that in at all. When I saw it, I almost thought you were attempting to draw attention to a almost completely benign situation. It's at the very start of the story, and to anyone that gets all self righteous and skims the story without analyzing the plot, it looks like a rape, even though it isn't.
If you really must have the note, just put it at the end so only people that actually read the story will see it. It could have avoided all this foolishness.
5829066 It's there to ward off the whole "OMG underage porn you bastard" thing I was expecting (and which, as the disclaimer says, what happens here is not). Problem is, we can't always anticipate what people are actually going to bitch about. Oh well, live and learn...
Yeah I can definitly see why this chapter's stired up some controversy. All I'll say is, sorry it happened. No one likes a shitstorm and I hope it doesn't discourage you from continuing. This one may not have been for me but it's still well written and I'm looking forward to reading more. Personally I was this would just be about Sunset and the gang but *shrugs* thems the breaks. Of course that does give you a lot more options and I can't wait to see who's next.
5829175 I think there is enough Equestria Girls clop here that I really don't see the need for this anymore, but that's just me. Junior/Senior aged high schoolers should be fine in terms of this site's rules.
Disappointed. Fan of most of your writings. Well written and entertaining usually. Downvoting this even though I was looking forward to what it might have been.
You need some sort of coercion warning, cuz I could not have bothered and as is I skimmed the sex and still dont like this.
PRINCIPLE LAW OF FANFICTION, FOLKS. GATHER AROUND, YE IGNORANT CHILDREN, AND LEARN A THING:
1: I must acknowledge that what I am about to read is a story. It is not real. If I do not like it, I do not have to continue reading it and can walk away without voting. If I did not like it after reading it, I can simply downvote and walk away.
One principle law. Very simple. Reasonable. Intelligent. Doesn't make you look like a jackass. It's one thing to have a critique or challenge something that's actually incorrect or could have been written better or just to share your thoughts on the story or events therein, it's another to become morally outraged and cause a scene over a real-world issue that is not only not part of the fictional story but not meant to even be involved in the story.
So there's some potential non-con or force or whatever... oh look, everyone's happy by the end - anything you have to say on the matter is invalid unless you ignore the facts in the material just so you can complain (who am I kidding, that's how 90% of SJWs operate). Or there's actual outright rape in another story... what's your point? You don't like it, so you aren't the intended audience, any bitching you have to do on the matter is wasted and just antagonistic towards people who've done you no wrong. You aren't white-knighting in that case, you're trolling.
i'm also looking forward to big mac doing sunset shimmer. i'll bet AJ walks in on them lol hoping to see one or two of the sirens (aria, Sonata) and trixie
5830258 This is going to be one of those "when I think of something" stories. Big Mac is going to be next; I'm also planning to have Flash and his band do her at some point. Beyond that, who knows?
This wasn't as horrible as I thought it might be. Also, just to ruin everyones good time I'd like to remind everyone that the time in the "human" (if those techno-colored skinned freaks even are human) world ran different from Equestrian before the bullshit in the second movie, so technically Sunset is really old, like older than Granny Smith... yeah.......
You made my day.
lol she forgot to take it off
Aww yeah.
"SNIFF SNIFF"
"SNIFF SNIFF"
"SNIFF SNIIIIIFF!"
Liked the story, but I still smell a shitstorm coming because some people can't handle a simple story.
Hopefully I am wrong.
For some reason I think quite a few people at CHS might end up seeing that video.
I'm pretty sure rape is illegal.
5827930 Aaaaand here we go.
5827945 You think obtaining sex with threats is not rape? Or that it's not illegal to rape an over 18 illegal immigrant?
5827964 A story about rape is not illegal. A story about child porn however can be construed as illegal. It's been used as evidence in courts before. (Albeit usually alongside graphical porn or actual child porn as supporting evidence that the photographs they found were not a one off thing.) But evidence that has gained convictions in courts none the less.
At no point does anyone say rape is not illegal. At no point does anyone say it is not a bad thing. I don't know where the fuck your projections about illegal immigrants comes from. Stop putting words in peoples mouth. Don't get your panties in a wad over nothing.
5827978 The disclaimer doesn't say the story is not illegal, or that the things that happen in the story are not illegal to write about, it says that nothing that happens in this chapter is in any way, shape, or form illegal.
The illegal immigrant bit is the part where the guy's threats are given credibility because Sunset is essentially an illegal immigrant. That's why she can't afford to be taken to court.
At first I really didn't understand why you put the disclaimer on this one and not the other one, but then I read the chapter.
5827978 The warning is just redundant though.
If Sunset wasn't 18 in these stories, they wouldn't be allowed on the site anyways. Putting a disclaimer about legality is just silly, plus it's worded poorly enough that it's easy to misunderstand it.
Do i dare click on this?
5827964
Did... you even read the story? It was all roleplay.
5828040 Yes. I see nothing about the Hi-Def's talking about money and taking Sunset to court being roleplay. The roleplay is just the sex itself.
5828061 Look... It's just a story, right? Let's not start this please. It's all a fantasy that's happening to people that don't exist, and it really doesn't matter what the legality of it is. If you want to discuss Hi-Def's morals then yeah, he's a giant asshole who is taking his revenge too far. However, because this is just a story made for our amusement, I really don't think we should clutter his comments section with pointless moral speculation ESPECIALLY because the author was only mentioning that this STORY is 100% legal.
In hindsight, I don't know why I was at all surprised to see a chapter on revenge porn.
@Mythril: No, this is totally rape. The story itself is not a moral transgression, but the actions described definitely are. You can say you didn't intend it that way, but that's what you wrote. Litigation threats (of dubious basis; I'm fairly certain anything he got from the lawsuit would be irrelevant in the face of the criminal charges he'd face) to extort sex are totally illegal. Not to mention if he had tried a lawsuit, it wouldn't have worked (assuming EG is set in a generally American setting). Sunset explicitly voices non-consent, so... yeah, it's totally rape.
Now, I'm not going to say writing this scene was morally wrong – because I don't believe it is – but at least don't try to stifle criticism with lies.
5828095
It's... Well, the author put a note to make sure to stave off a comment storm regarding potential underage sex, and that's good. But rape is a pretty touchy subject, and there was no warning there. Even a note saying that the story contains rather ambiguous content would have been nice. Yes it's a story, and such, but not everyone likes this kind of fantasy. Generally a little red flag at the start is usually all it takes so that people who don't want to see it will just move on.
Anyone who sees a warning and ignores it has no grounds to complain if it doesn't break site rules. But on the flip side, someone who gets blindsided is generally going to say something. There is not, as far as I know, any requirement to put trigger warnings of any kind, but there isn't much reason not to.
5828046
Site rules say that any underage sex with human characters is prohibited. (Foalcon is allowed, but not humans. Not sure about anthro.) Or at least was last time I had checked. I don't think this has changed, but I might be wrong. As Sunset is the main character here, I am guessing the note specifies her for that reason, but I would figure anyone in her class is probably meant to be seen as her age.
5828206 Let's be fair now, Mythril isn't saying anything. He didn't want the comments to become a shitstorm, yet here we are on the precipice. Only other people, not the author, are arguing what Hi-Def did is ok legally. I don't know why I find myself so irritated by this, but I think it's because Mythril specifically stated he didn't want this for the comments. I'll say it like I said in my other comment, let's please just let it all go...
5828453 Yeah your right, and I understand that. I just really don't like comments sections that end up devolving into shit, and I guess I was just trying to head it off... I seriously just stumbled upon this story from another story, and when I saw the comments heading down that way, well, I guess I just acted on my own impulse. It is a little presumptuous of me to assume I need to do that though
5828505
Usually, rape, or even something that looks like rape, is almost inevitably going to result in at least a minor crapshower. One of the reasons I advocate trigger warnings, is a fair chunk of the people who get upset simply don't read the story, and it removes a lot of the ground on which the rest can stand on, but there is no stopping it altogether. Usually just best to wait it out.
I don't agree with this story.
This is why I don't get this weird, poorly worded disclaimer.
If you are going to put in Rape, label it as having Rape and put the Rape in. Who gives a fuck.
TBH, you should just say in the description that some chapters contain dubious consent, or "dubcon." We got the token bit about how she enjoyed it afterwards, so you cna get away with not calling it rape, but defnitely some warning for the people who don't want to read that - the character's age isn't really their point of contention. If you really want, say something like, "This is a story about people "doing" Sunset, and she's not very well-liked. That should be an indicator about the content."
Who invited Tumblr?
5827764 You called it. Just look at the other comments
These sjws are hilarious
Man, did I ever underestimate the potential for people around here to be (a) clueless, (b) determined to tumblrize the hell out of anything, and (c) keep chasing that one mailman that doesn't even exist.
Everyone who's screaming rape here and ignoring the fact that she could've walked away, offered to work out an installment plan, offered to help raise funds another way, or like a dozen other things but chose to voluntarily do the porn video is (a) missing the point entirely, (b) doesn't "get" why that disclaimer is there, and (c) generally shouldn't be dragging their own ethical baggage into a place where it is neither welcome nor appropriate.
Let me spell it out for you:
The disclaimer is referring ONLY to Hi-Def making a porn video of Sunset Shimmer with the intent to sell it for profit. WITH her informed consent. That's ALL the disclaimer is referring to. Jeez, you'd think people would be able to pick up on that from the context clues.
I go to bed for a few hours, I come back to THIS crap...seriously.
5829002
Honestly you would have gotten none of this response if you hadn't put that in at all. When I saw it, I almost thought you were attempting to draw attention to a almost completely benign situation. It's at the very start of the story, and to anyone that gets all self righteous and skims the story without analyzing the plot, it looks like a rape, even though it isn't.
If you really must have the note, just put it at the end so only people that actually read the story will see it. It could have avoided all this foolishness.
I remember seeing a small hint of BigShimmer in your previous story.
Something that bugged me...
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Now, if I do not see Big Macintosh Does Sunset Shimmer!......I'll be disappointed.
5829066 It's there to ward off the whole "OMG underage porn you bastard" thing I was expecting (and which, as the disclaimer says, what happens here is not). Problem is, we can't always anticipate what people are actually going to bitch about. Oh well, live and learn...
Looking past the fact that the comments section is shit... Great clop.
5829162 It's coming up, third chapter.
5829251
I love you. You know that?
>Scrolling through the feed
>Sees this
>Ultra-wat mode activated
>Toreadornottoread.jpg
~ Wolfram Alpha
Yeah I can definitly see why this chapter's stired up some controversy. All I'll say is, sorry it happened. No one likes a shitstorm and I hope it doesn't discourage you from continuing. This one may not have been for me but it's still well written and I'm looking forward to reading more. Personally I was this would just be about Sunset and the gang but *shrugs* thems the breaks. Of course that does give you a lot more options and I can't wait to see who's next.
5829175 I think there is enough Equestria Girls clop here that I really don't see the need for this anymore, but that's just me. Junior/Senior aged high schoolers should be fine in terms of this site's rules.
Disappointed. Fan of most of your writings. Well written and entertaining usually. Downvoting this even though I was looking forward to what it might have been.
You need some sort of coercion warning, cuz I could not have bothered and as is I skimmed the sex and still dont like this.
PRINCIPLE LAW OF FANFICTION, FOLKS. GATHER AROUND, YE IGNORANT CHILDREN, AND LEARN A THING:
1: I must acknowledge that what I am about to read is a story. It is not real. If I do not like it, I do not have to continue reading it and can walk away without voting. If I did not like it after reading it, I can simply downvote and walk away.
One principle law. Very simple. Reasonable. Intelligent. Doesn't make you look like a jackass. It's one thing to have a critique or challenge something that's actually incorrect or could have been written better or just to share your thoughts on the story or events therein, it's another to become morally outraged and cause a scene over a real-world issue that is not only not part of the fictional story but not meant to even be involved in the story.
So there's some potential non-con or force or whatever... oh look, everyone's happy by the end - anything you have to say on the matter is invalid unless you ignore the facts in the material just so you can complain (who am I kidding, that's how 90% of SJWs operate). Or there's actual outright rape in another story... what's your point? You don't like it, so you aren't the intended audience, any bitching you have to do on the matter is wasted and just antagonistic towards people who've done you no wrong. You aren't white-knighting in that case, you're trolling.
i'm also looking forward to big mac doing sunset shimmer. i'll bet AJ walks in on them lol
hoping to see one or two of the sirens (aria, Sonata) and trixie
5830258 This is going to be one of those "when I think of something" stories. Big Mac is going to be next; I'm also planning to have Flash and his band do her at some point. Beyond that, who knows?
Eh, I hoped it would be a comedy...
5830324 Gangbang, gangbang, gangbang...
GANGBANG, FUTHERMUCKERS!!! YEEEEEAAAAAH!!!
I'm not entirely certain how this got so popular. Besides your follower rank, I mean.
How many stupid, Sunset-objectifying stories is that now?
This wasn't as horrible as I thought it might be. Also, just to ruin everyones good time I'd like to remind everyone that the time in the "human" (if those techno-colored skinned freaks even are human) world ran different from Equestrian before the bullshit in the second movie, so technically Sunset is really old, like older than Granny Smith... yeah.......
5831050 She's not "really old". If you go by the comics she's about 10-15 years older than Twilight.