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George Lucas was on the verge of writing fanction... · 10:15pm Jun 17th, 2018
Let me know when you stop shuddering.
(I'm going to need another ten minutes.)
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Wow.
Ironically it would have been better then The Last Jedi. Rain Johnson did the impossible and has almost killed Star Wars, that and several other Lucasfilms employees who have an agenda. Legends canon is the true canon as far as I am concerned.
Whoever introduced George Lucas to cell biology has a lot to answer for.
...What? Just... what? All the possible ideas he could have gone with, and... that? Why? How?
I love the self awareness though “fans would hate it”
What the freaking oh my what the holy son of a what the crap.
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But yeah, that idea is just the worst.
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Why? I stated my opinion. The Last Jedi is garbage and the director and producers insulted the fandom with just about every decision they made while making this movie. This is the first Star Wars movie that I have no desire to ever see. I also believe that the Legends canon to be superior and having a more believable character growth for their characters.
So this means the prequel trilogy is also fanfiction, right? :V
I am not okay with this
I am not okay that this was even an idea that was formed
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For starters, I'm going to be honest, and say that I've mainly wanting to use that meme for ages.
But mainly because Last Jedi was hardly an insult to the fandom. The entire film is building up to a climax about how the old Star Wars legends are important and a need to embrace the past. It's good on paper but doesn't have a good execution. You don't have to like it but it's very much over-hated.
I wanted to find a positive spin on this idea, but the longer I think about it the worse it seems.
There are people who could pull this idea off, Terry Pratchett and the people who worked on Mushishi, but George Lucas isn't one of them.
Eh, I don't like to judge a hypothetical film based on a concept alone. Some really great films have had premises that would have sounded dumb if a reporter with a cynical slant (such as the one who wrote the linked piece) told them to me.
Not that I'm arguing the reporter is outright wrong in his cynicism. Lucas's place in the hall of fame for cinematic special effects is not to be questioned. His place in the hall of fame for great screenwriting is...debatable? I suspect they probably would have been visually sumptuous and narratively lacking, par for the course.
I don't have a fathier in the race when it comes to TLJ, as I have not seen it. Basically my entire jam in Star Wars is Old Republic times (which is now decanonized as well, but whatevs). Jal Shey represent! Ahto City Forever!
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Yeah, Mr. Lucas was understandably bummed that the fandom did not follow him to the new areas he wanted to explore, and has made no secret of that.
I read this on Friday, and like everyone else I'm thankful that our particular universe didn't let George Lucas go through with it. Pity the alternate universes that imploded where he did.
We have gone from some Taoistic light/dark duality now to intelligent Force-prions...
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Um, if you haven't seen it, then it is possible you're misinterpreting what other people have said. What, in particular, is it people have been saying that bugs you?
As for this article, I'm actually pretty sure it's false, or at least a prank. My reasoning? Because I saw a comedy video that used this exact joke late last year.
Also, if you look at the author bio at the bottom of the article, this is the guy who covers cars. I'm somewhat skeptical that he'd be the one covering entertainment news like this.
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I was wondering about that.
That and the "tone" of the article seems a bit...off. It comes across as quite sarcastic and almost mean for its subject matter.
I have to say that I'm... Not too suprised/angry/disgusted by getting a peek at what Lucas had originally envisioned? It might be partly my general inability to get worked up over ENTERTAINMENT, or it might partially be that I have something a soft spot for the prequels because the first star wars movie I saw was the phantom menace with my family. I was to young to notice a lot of the bad parts, and watching the pod race over, and over, and over again was enough to 'redeem' the movie for me.
OH! Yeah, it could also be because when I was in elementary school, we got a visit from George Lucas's mother as a guest speaker or something. I don't remember exactly when it was, but I do remember that it was sometime in 1996/1997, so before the prequel trilogy had it's trailers.
I also don't remember much of what she said, having been in first grade and not having seen Star Wars, but I do remember that somebody had asked whether there were going to be more star wars movies and she gave a very solid "Maybe." She laughed, and then said that Lucas had ideas for 9 movies total, but she didn't know if they'd ever be made.
I remember telling my parents about that when they asked how my day at school had been, and Dad was so EXCITED at the idea of more star wars that the whole day kind of sticks out in my memory.
...
Getting off of my tangent... There's plenty of weird movie ideas that could turn out good or bad. I'd be willing to reserve judgement until actually seeing how those hypothetical movies turned out.
Okay, so he has signed over his rights, hasn't he?
Otherwise, would it still be 'fanfiction' if it's the actual creator writing it?
Well... The new canon has essentially completely lost me at the Force Awakens (it was alright - and unlike many detractors, the focal characters were a not-issue - it was the whole recycled premise of making the heroes the underdogs again that did it for me), when the prequels didn't (I like them, but then again, I like them from an Imperial Loyalist perspective and having a good old laugh as all the stupid Jedi); and whatever Lucas might or might not have come up with couldn't possibly be worse than the whole New Jedi Order-onwards bullcrap in Legends, so...
I mean, the new movies weren't a version of the Thrawn Trilogy, which, along with TIE Fighter and the X-Wing novels, are, as far as I'm concerned, far and away the best of Star Wars (yes, even including the movies), so it would have been no more or less disappointing whatever you did.
There are two forces behind Star Wars.
1) Lucas is a genius
2) Lucas is an idiot
The two ideas are not mutually exclusive. Lucas had a genius idea. He shot genius footage. He was a blithering idiot on putting it together. There's a wonderful video that describes the issue far better than I ever could.
"Hi girls!" Star Power bounced into the staff reading room with her usual energy and thunked down onto her purple cushion. "This season is going to be terrific, won't it?"
Five silent mares looked up at the young actress, then First Take let out a frustrated huff of breath and buried her nose back into the script. "Somepony tell her. I can't take it."
"Not it!" called Barnstormer and Pan Flash as the same time, then the two young mares exchanged a conspiratorial glance and mutual giggle.
Deep Cover shook her head and rolled her eyes. "Ah swear you two are getting more like your characters every year. Just... read your script, Star."
"I made a down payment, I made a down payment," muttered Butter Up. "It's just one season. I can do one season. Even this."
"Oh...kay." Star Power hunched over the table and opened the script. The room remained silent other than the turning of the pages, although five sets of eyes kept watch on their youngest member. Finally, Star looked up, cleared her throat, and asked Barnstormer, "This is a practical joke, right? You and Pan decided to get a good start on the season. Come on. You can tell me. Right?"
Star looked around the table, her eyes growing larger. "I mean we get shrunk down and travel through Princess Celestia's bloodstream? It's educational, I'll admit, and will expose young foals to new ideas, but..."
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Oh, so you haven't actually *seen* the movie yet, you just know it's irredeemable garbage because....
*checks notes*
Ah, yes, "reasons."
just like everybody knew that Twilight becoming a princess was going to be the worst thing to happen to MLP, of course.
Meanwhile, I'm gonna say I called it - nothing Disney does could be worse than Lucas remaining in control.
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Specifically Lucas retaining complete control. If the prequel trilogy proved anything, it's that Lucas needs collaborators to help him turn his ideas into something workable. And if you go back and look at the original trilogy, that's exactly what he had, especially for "Empire".
DO YOU MEAN TO TELL ME THAT EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED IN THE STAR WARS UNIVERSE WOULD HAVE LITERALLY BEEN THE "WHILL" OF THE FORCE!?!?
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Exactly.I
Quite frankly?
None off the best stuff in Star Wars has *ever* been Lucas.
Harrison Ford. Brilliant subordinates doing effects. His mentor directing.
Lucas has consistently been his own worst enemy, an undeniable truth since the special editions.
The thing you gotta remember about Lucas is that he's always been this idiot. The original trilogy were only as good as they were because the budget was so tight that he had to scale way back and just crib from Kurosawa films.
His first draft of The Phantom Menace was so bad that it is rumored that asking Tim Zahn to read it resulted in it being panned so hard that he got cut out of the Extended Universe.
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Twilight becoming a princess completely derailed FiM. To the point that they introduced Starlight as a replacement because the writers had no idea what to do with Twilight. They still don't, which is why the writing is floundering.
They shot themselves in the foot by making major changes to the flagship character without a plan for what comes next.
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Every character with a line in the films has a name and history in the lore. You may be impressed with this.
That guy that tries to sell "death sticks" in episode II is named Elan Sleazebaggano. You are welcome to be no longer impressed.
Honestly, it might have been pull-offable back in the day. It's hard to judge hypotheticals.
4884420 Cool, thanks! Interesting,
I'm still amazed when I see "Deleted Scenes" from a movie, especially after just watching the original cut. It's almost always immediately clear why those scenes were cut, but it's hard not to think "Didn't they actually all go through this long before filming, see where this was going well enough to not spend money filming those scenes?"
But even films (as opposed to writing) need that kind of objective, external review that can only really be had by putting it all together and watching the story unfold. In this case, Star Wars needed a lot of that.
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People said Star Wars was dead with each of the prequels, and with the CG Clone Wars movie. But billion dollar franchises don't die. Even if some iteration sucks balls like Joel Schumacher Batman, it will be rebooted again in a decade or so. People say that an entire franchise is "dead" to make their own anger and sadness feel important. It's not enough that they didn't like a movie. Whatever they feel has to be what the other hundred million people that saw it feel. People have to project themselves onto the rest of the world to justify how they feel.
4884471 Not really. Twilight has always been about being overwhelmed by events, and struggling through with the help of her friends (in various degrees). What bigger overwhelming than to become a princess? (other than a long-term romantic entanglement, and that would be a disaster for the show, as Big Jim said)
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I think you responded to the wrong post.
"It was [not] a movie. Real life isn't like this. But you wouldn't know about that, would you?"
Honestly. George Lucas is a trip. How does this happen to someone? How were his first movies any good if after all this time he hasn't grown or honed his craft at all? I understand having a strong vision for your work, but after so much critique after all these years you'd think he at least would be willing to admit that it wasn't good and needed reworking. So he doubles down instead, of course. What the fuck lol
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Thrawn is the greatest Star Wars villian ever.
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The big problem is that people are having is that you cannot easily just “reboot” Star Wars this late in the Skywalker Saga. If they had done movies in different parts of the universe that only barely interacted with episodes 1-6 people would have been somewhat happier.
Yes I understand that 7 had all those call backs and nods to episode 4, but that was intentional as a way to help pass the torch. All the current backlash from 8 is because many people felt the plot was nonsensical and mostly unimportant. Besides making Luke Skywalker look like a coward who forgot one of his lessons with Yoda.
If they had done a new trilogy with all new characters a few generations after 6 people would have accepted it and moved on. Heck the stand alone films are ok, they just are hampered by the need to adhere to what the movies have already established. Personally I would have loved if they had done a Wraith Squadron movie.
The issue is that the director of episode 8 is doing the next trilogy but has attacked the fans complaining about episode 8 and the fans are turning against the franchise as they would rather it die then see it in his hands. Solo bombed because of fan backlash against episode 8 and a few people who have creative control in Star Wars shooting their mouths off at the wrong time.
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PLOT? Star Wars movies typically have a plot that could be dropped into 1930 & never even splash
(The Girl in the Golden Atom (first microverse) was written in 1922, so that fits)
The good Star Trek movies have plots, Star Wars movies, not so much
Never Challenge Worse, because it can always get Worse
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I would go further and say he is one of (possibly even THE) best villains, period.
Oh my fucking god.
Even if I didn't like the Disney SW movies (they're not perfect, and there are occasional misses, but even then they are aiming at something interesting), this would be enough to make me get down on my knees and thank Celestia that this did not come to pass.
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Good editors and less toxic fandom. Afterwards, he felt he didn't need editors and that's how prequels were made. Currently I guess he wants to be artsy and/or spent all the Disney dollars on booze.
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Nothing to do with the fandom. Everything to do with it being made 41 years ago, and using practical effects which age one Hell of a lot better than CG that looks dated in 5.
That wasn't a thing. People can prove that wasn't a thing. Stop trying to make that a thing.
So, people like you intentionally killed a movie that was designed to cater to your interests while the one you hated made a huge amount of money? That'll get you what you want.
Last Jedi was a decent movie that simply had a bad execution.
I am so sad that hasn't happened yet. You'd think they'd get at least a game by now.
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If you want to see these scenes in their original context; check out the Star Wars Radio Drama on youtube! They work really well there.
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You have a different definition of 'good movie', friend.
Bad execution means a bad movie. TLJ was mediocre at best, which is a shame given the strength of the cast and level of investment from Disney.
4884550 Thrawn is the greatest written Star Wars villain. That kind of encompassing chessmaster menace would be much more difficult to do in film.
The Last Jedi had exceptional polished beautiful scenes with fantastic special effects and pretty good acting, tied together with rusty barbed wire and duct tape. The pacing was so horrid that it kept knocking me out of the enjoyment of the movie. Solo on the other hand... I'm going to have to rent sometime so I can make meaningful comments instead of relying on so many of the reviewers who thought it was nothing more than a feminist sop.
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...is it wrong that I would completely read an Inside Out or Osmosis Jones set on location in Princess Celestia? Especially considering she's probably got scars older than Canterlot?