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Maybe.
And yeah, sometimes life just throws an artillery strike in your face, and there isn't a damn thing to do about it. Don't sweat it Twilight.
9573662
That would be problematic for the American military, yes, but those fragmented tunneling TSDI forces would soon end up cut off from any hope of either reinforcements or even retreat when their primary supertunnel is collapsed by bunker buster missiles. Which will happen before more than just a small fraction of the TSDI's desired invasion force has moved through it. The diamond dogs themselves may survive, since they'd be the ones at the head of the supertunnel and thus probably above sea level by the time the American counterstrike happens, but the bulk of the rest of the invasion force is going to be killed by the ocean rushing in to fill their 'secret' tunnel. And those same surviving diamond dogs are going to be cut off from any logistical support they would have been relying on, and most likely also cut off from communications with their TSDI handlers. Orphaned enemy forces on American soil may be a headache for the American military, but it would hardly be an insurmountable one.
This is why the transoceanic supertunnel will work exactly one time, and also why the tactic will probably be abandoned by the TSDI. Well, unless the Supreme Commander insists that they keep trying, which I suppose is entirely possible.
Proud to say I did not forget about crane!
Whoa whoa WHOA! ...ALL of EFC territory!? .......oh fuck, this is even worse then anyone imagined, Equestria and other nations are not prepared for the battle that's about to be on thier doorstep .
Thou I'm threading it, I can't deny as a reader how excited I am for this!
I'm beginning to wonder if the TSDI forces are aware of how armed the American population is. There are around 350,000,000 people in the United States. These people own over 400,000,000 firearms. In the previous chapter, the Minotaur civilians barely even knew what the American Army was when they came marching in. If the TSDI expects the American population to simply bow before them in fear then they have a whole world of hurt coming towards them.
The enemy should emerge in Detroit and face unexpected resistance.
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9573734
Yeah, if the TSDI splits its invasion force up it will be slaughtered like a thousand separate terrorist attacks. Invasions only succeed by applying overwhelming force in one small area at a time. A force of a few thousand can't hold a city of a million plus.
9573763
You say that like a thousand separate terrorist attacks going off simultaneously wouldn't be a nightmare scenario.
Okay, the way the TSDI has actually set up their tunnel system, as described in this chapter, is actually plausible.
Mind you, the main supertunnel branches under the ocean will not last long past the initial attack before they are collapsed by American bunker busters, which will cut the invasion force off from any further logistical support, but the end result is going to be a larger surviving invading force than would have happened if they had only started the transoceanic supertunnel since the start of the war. Still, the TSDI is still going to lose a lot of soldiers when those primary tunnels under the ocean are collapsed, and they will never see it coming because they don't know about bunker busters.
Basically, this stunt is going to end up as a massive headache for both sides.
9573651
But enough to start an investigation.
Oh come on! You don't just throw out the laws of physics and start anew, you assume the old ones are true until proven otherwise. They're not superskeptics worried there won't be a floor under their feet when getting out of bed.
They should have investigated the seismic sources. They would have detected that they were close to the surface, slow-moving, persistent, and repetitive. They should have done some exploratory drilling, seismic reflection scanning, scanning with ground-penetrating radar, etc.
9573766
Oh, it'll be a nightmare scenario, yes. But it's going to be a nightmare for both sides, not just the Americans. Because that TSDI invasion force is going to be abruptly cut off from all logistical support within a week of their first attack, which is all the longer it would take for the Americans to locate and collapse the primary tansoceanic tupertunnels the invading force would have to rely on for supplies, and the TSDI are not going to be able to dig any further transoceanic supertunnels once the Americans know to start watching for them.
Still, that invading force is going to take months to clean out, especially as scattered as they apparently are.
Like I said, this is going to be a major headache for both sides of the war.
9573810
Like the first tatzlwyrm or other strange burrowing beast that seemed far less troubling when left alone?
9573844
Which is exactly why this initial TSDI strike, as you described it, will work while subsequent repeat attempts (or even just attempts to maintain supply tunnels) will not.
Those poor poor tatzlewurms and maulwurfs are going to suffer the after effects of the TSDI attack when the americans collapse all of their exploratory tunnels too! And all they wanted was to try some authentic American cuisine. Made from real Americans...
Well, okay, maybe not deliberately, but those particular monsters have been shown to be willing to eat sapient creatures, so they would have been trying to eat Americans once they reached the continent anyway.
9573859
They were also responding to an intruder the one time they showed up.
well least are changeling didn't knock the poor wife up that would be a complication for everyone.
seem like another sneak attack in progress but I wonder how will we respond to it since I bet they would absolutely make a few claims into places since America is actually big place and im sure those leaders have a few places in mind to hole up in population used as hostages or worse.
glad to see the theorist having a goal there working too all that passion is wonderful for the effort of English and maybe try to preserve other things as a passion for culture and heritage preservation im sure twilight would have a field day with some knowledge seekers, after all, she been through
9573766
The reason terrorist attacks are so effective is the shock and speed factor. Terrorist don't generally stick around after a attack because once the shock wares off they'd be overrun by the response. It's why they like them to usually be something that'll bring alot of attention. Such as assassination or large population places. Them sticking around will just result in their eradication. This is a full on military invasion like the movie red dawn. It's the kinda thing that would have the states firing nukes. The moment a sizeable force is detected on us soil are hands are forced it's us or them at that point. Every known military installation and war industrial center would be targeted.
Hey my next comments just a observation of a ongoing trend I believe I'm seeing. It maybe incorrect so don't take offense.
I don't know if anyone else has noticed but telling the author anything usually results in him trying to prove you wrong by usually info youd need to do some internet browsing or just dumbing down America. We say for example how'd they get nukes hed do research to find technicalities how'd they get them and implement it. We'd say our ships would beat theirs he'd make over the horizon firing lasers like our icbms can't do the same thing and hit the lasers originating point after the first ships hit. We'd say our technology is better they had a industrial revolution without anyone in equestria knowing. People telling him something will just result in him trying to prove you wrong. How have people not realized their only giving him fuel to upset them. Im waiting to see how something that shouldn't be able to succeed... succeeds. The first step appears to be geologists not noticing the constant seismic activity as the tunnels dug or brushing off the readings.... dumbing down americans . Also the fact that a seaquake hasn't collapsed the tunnel ....actually even accounting for magic the tunnel being held up against tons of pressure being pushed down by water from one end of the tunnel to the other that's 1000s of miles of magic held up tunnel. That's the kinda thing you'd figure equestria would be able to detect. They got shit for technology but you figure their magic would be upto the task.
9573908
What part of Equestria should be noticing what happening off the coast of America?
9573844
I doubt that those would pose an obstacle for USGS. If anything, it would give the US government a reason to setup a DoD program to keep away invasive species from US soil.
9573914
Reedited: Whoops you said equestrian not us .... gotta change response. Magic is their thing what we do with technology they'd do with magic if not them the seaquestrians. Them not being able to detect large scale magic use the equivalents to shinings shield over god knows how many miles is just weird. Atleast celestia luna and starswirl ... twilights kod at the moment.... would detect something.
9573922
I'm sorry, I thought you were talking about Equestrian magic?
9573944
Oh ... lol. I just figure like how we got early warning radar for missles that the equestrians would have something along those lines but dealing with magic. Theirs other magics out their like dragon, changeling, probably even foreign nation unicorns. It would explain why they knew when the crystal empire returned. Hymn ... sudden thought, it would be cool if humans started to develope magic by being exposed to it. Sorry side tracked. You figure somewhere thered be a room with unicorns watching for something.
9573964
The humans are developing magic, in a very human way, with science!
9573983
Muhahaha .... to the lab theirs science to be had.
You know I can't help but keep wondering...just how the hell is Earth handling not only having a major super power and country just disappear. But also getting a massive chunk of its crust ripped out....
I mean the USA clearly left with a deep enough mass of earth for it to get dropped into an ocean and not be below the water level and that requires a LOT of earth to reach down to the ocean floor. So...did Earth suddenly get an USA shaped and sized sea of exposed mantle when this all happened? If so...I'd not want to be on that Earth...
9574077
There are almost infinite possibilities as to what happened back 'home'.
I mean let's go over the major ones.
1: Nothing. America is still there just fine, this is just a copy.
2: Everyone Dies™ in a great tectonic apocalypse with tsunamis unheard of wiping everything clean.
3: It vanished as smoothly as it appeared, and boats arrive to find a lot of ocean, the water exchanged for all the water America clearly displaced in their new world.
9573766
Nightmare yes, hard to deal with quickly and efficiently, no. The public has long been desensitized to the whole alien invasion senario and people may have a flashback to Tremors but the overall reaction will be one of where's my shotgun/AR15. These poor bulls will find themselves attacked from all sides and literally chopped into hamburger.
9574197
I feel you are upselling the average bravery of an average citizen in a real battle situation. Even trained soldiers have issues with it.
Oh yes I agree totally. But when 10% out of a city that's a million plus takes up arms with who knows how many being exmilitary. Everyone will know of the invasion within minutes due to social media. Heck the average citizen will probably be responding faster than the local gaurd unit. If the Bulls don't have tanks with them they will be getting sniped from all angles. Heck they may come up during rush hour traffic and experience the true horror of gridlock and suffer from smog. The bulls have no concept of population density at this scale. They may suffer culture shock just from the tall buildings.
9574234
Can you imagine an armed force from some place like Brazil suddenly popping up in downtown LA and being effective?
It feels like the opening of Jaws and the entire country is a fat guy in an inner tube.
9574091
Considering the complete and utter lack of destructive tidal waves on their arrival in the new world, I'd say the most likely occurrence was a rough exchange of equivalent mass and volume.
In other words, there is now open ocean between Canada and Mexico, and that new sea comes with its own foreign ecosystem. And possibly a few very surprised sea ponies.
"I didn't mean to touch the thing!"
"What thing?"
"I don't know! Whatever thing it was that made Seaquestria disappear!"
9574274
I mean... yes. If they were deadset on causing destruction, people would die in catastrophic numbers. Sure, they would eventually be counter-murdered, but not before so many joined them in death.
9574234
Oh, the TSDI invasion force will no doubt cause a lot of havoc for a while, as the spread of firearms is hardly even across the civilian population, and the most probable reaction among untrained civilians is going to be panic whether they are armed or not. In fact, for the first week or so, the TSDI is going to feel invincable, what with the ability their diamond dog members give them for striking quickly from below and disappearing just as fast down brand new tunnels before any local military forces can respond.
And then their logistical support will disappear when the American military collapses the TSDI's primary transoceanic supertunnels with bunker busters and the rapid underground tunneling of the surviving cells of invaders will serve as a beacon for fighters, bombers, and helicopters using ground penetrating radar. It'll take a couple of months, but unless the TSDI cells just plain stop actively digging, each unit will be located eventually and subsequently wiped out. Most likely without ever realizing how the American forces are finding them.
Ironically enough, it's going to be the TSDI cells that either lost their diamond dog members or simply didn't have them in the first place that will last the longest, as those are the ones who won't be able to freely engage in the rapid subterranean travel setting off all those seismic sensors. Instead, those cells will be engaging in what they feel is the far riskier (but actually much safer) practice of traditional guerilla warfare on the surface.
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9574197
While there would be a good amount of patriot citizens grabbing thier guns, your forgetting that most likely the TSDI will have heavy vehicles with them, a civilian just has no real way to stand up to such heavy firepower, sure eventually they would go Red Dawn on them, but until then it will be more a heavy resistance 'make them FIGHT for every inch of space!' Kinda thing, check points and ambushes will be american civilians fighting strategy.
9574280
I don't know whether to laugh or take offense to that.
Lol đź‘Ť
9574347
I dunno, diamond dogs can dig really fast. You're going to need to collapse a lot of tunnel to significantly hinder the operations.
9574383
That's exactly what bunker buster missiles are designed for. The diamond dogs are going to be in for a bit of a shock. At least the ones who survive will be shocked.
9574378
I'm sorry, but no. There's simply no way that the TSDI would be able to transport heavy military vehicles through a transoceanic supertunnel without being detected long before they even got close to the American coast. Even attempting to do so will be like sending a signal ahead stating "Big Subterranean Machine Here, Notify Military Immediately" to every seismological research facility across America. And yes, I do mean all of them.
Any successful TSDI invasion force making use of these tunnels is going to be comprised primarily of infantry, with maybe a few light support vehicles at most. We're talking abbysinians, diamond dogs, minotaurs, vulpines, and whatever else with small wagons and carts, not siege machines.
Besides, any heavy military vehicles that do somehow make it to American soil (most likely by being transported in pieces and assembled on location) would defeat the purpose of being able to engage in guerilla warfare once they arrive. Because heavy military vehicles are easy to find, and wouldn't be able to follow retreating diamond dog troops into any suddenly required escape tunnels.
So, assuming that the TSDI does send some heavy military vehicles through the tunnel, they will most likely be assigned to cells without diamond dogs anyway. Most likely crewed by abbysinians and/or minotaurs.
So, besides whatever civilian casualties are inflicted, the order of death is going to be: Any noticeable heavy military vehicles, followed by the tunneling cells who would have no idea at all that their own rapid digging is what is leading the enemy right to them, and finally those cells without either diamond dogs or heavy military vehicles who are thus forced to engage in guerilla warfare on the surface.
Because, really, while the TSDI troops are going to think that the last group would be the one at the greatest risk, they are instead the hardest for defending forces to detect.
I know it’s still away off but is anyone else hoping for Force to end up like a certain Fuhrer near the end of ww2 or the movie “Downfall”? It would be interesting to see the sickness start to eat away at his mind. All while his advisors start “hinting” its time to go to the negotiating table or risk losing what little they have left. It’s implied that they have put in a large amount of their military age population into this front. If they get whipped out it could end up like being their version of the “Lost Generation” with the same economic and population consequences weighing on them generations after.
A mega tunnel drilled through the oceanic crust below the abyssal plain?
Only two things can reach it down there.
The deep drill geophysics ship.
Multiple ten megaton warheads applied one after the other in the same crater. Not sure if they would be detectable at the surface, theres a graph somewhere that shows at the bottom of the Mariana Trench there would be nothing at the surface, but thats 4 times deeper still.
And depending how close, or far away the detonations were, the crust would go through before the tunnels failed. New midoceanic volcanic island.
Changeling magic is different due to the Throne being selectable. Find that magic signature and invert it. Anything that uses changeling magic suddenly gets a block, jammed, or overloaded?
Wonder how big the total distributed in presence enemy forces are in the tunnels? Several million? How much relative to the total Equestrian population? Compared to total available US active miltery personel. Security, law enforcement, gun clubs etc?
9574535
I'd be surprised if the TSDI had more then 500,000 soldiers honestly. If that's about the amount they have how many would stay to defend the nations and how many would be sent for each EFC nation? I'd expect most to head to mainland America, 70% perhaps?
In total agreement with you.đź‘Ť
9574551 I thought that too. Equis just isn't as populated as Earth. There is no way, even with all the TDSI nations putting together a combined force that they can match America.
The biggest armies we've seen are the Changelings and the Storm King's. In both cases they fielded less than 1000 troops.
This invasion force is going to get suck creamed like a Quarn Beast's nubboe!
9574450
Bunker busters are designed to target and eliminate key bunker points in a network, not destroy the entirety of endless long running tunnels. blowing up a dozen or so points in a tunnel network would ruin any human made tunnel network, as it would take far too long to dig anew, but isn't going to stop diamond dogs for long.
They are listening to strange seismic sound waves, don't know what it is. But the sure way to learn what it is, is by asking the natives of that word. I'm confident the ponies have heard the sound of diamonds digging tunnels, the the humans would simply ask, "what are these strange sounds?"
9574604
On the contrary, a bunker buster would quite thoroughly ruin the day of any diamond dog if they target where the seismic activity is most active. Which is to say where the diamond dogs currently are as they announce their location by digging so rapidly. And it's not like they can just dodge these missiles because they would have no way of knowing that they were coming and no idea that they can penetrate the ground even if they did somehow spot them ahead of time.
That said, you are right in that there are going to be a lot of situations where the local military would be reluctant to use bunker busters on American soil. However, I can guarantee that they will be used on the transoceanic supertunnels for the express purpose of cutting off the TSDI's logistical support of their invasion force. And then maintaining that cordon by blasting the hell out of any further attempts to tunnel under the ocean from either direction. Once the TSDI cells are cut off from receiving further supplies or their ability to safely withdraw to allied territory, their morale is going to start flagging hard. Especially when the National Guard starts showing up at their targets faster and faster in response to each attack they make on American soil. Even without the use of bunker busters, the scenario is going to devolve into a prolonged nightmare for the invaders.
Not that it won't already be a nightmare for the defenders as well. I'm just trying to point out that the TSDI's use of tactical tunneling isn't going to be anywhere near as one sided as they believe.
9574600
Exactly! The only thing really going for the invasion cells is going to be the rapid tunneling ability of their diamond dog members, and as I've been trying to say, that's as much a hinderance to them as it is a boon, as it gives away their location every time they use it. And each state's National Guard is going to be able to deploy to the TSDI's chosen targets faster and faster with each TSDI strike, meaning that eventually the invaders are going to be facing the very military that they are trying to avoid.
9574535
That might work, if it wasn't shown that volcanoes are a thing. While the air pressure isn't going to be a problem in this world due to local physics, the heat from going that low might prove to be unbearable.
On the other hand, given the fantastical nature of the world, the tunnellers may also be facing "Journey to the Center of the Earth" situations by digging so low, discovering and being sidetracked by subterranean realms full of dinosaurs, fungus people, and giant sapient cave spiders. Which are apparently a thing in MLP if you go by any of the Curse of the Statuettes game module for the official Tales of Equestria RPG. The Umbradepths are apparently full of giant cave spiders. Particularly deep under the Bad Lands where the changelings' hive is located.
9573835
America not ready to deal with the attack TSDI learning nothing from Japan. You Bloody America's nose and well... One of Japan's cultural symbols is Godzilla who is the embodiment of the Atom Bomb. When a counter attack leaves that kind of impact its no small thing. The American response will be brutal.
9574957
But how effective are bunker busters in the ocean? If they drop it from the surface what guarantee is there that the bomb wont veer off course because of the currents?