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Yeah it was horrible, but Twilight was kind of adorable.
Is it just me, or is anyone else getting deja vu from when Teen Titans became Teen Titans: Go!
Are you saying you didn't choose the pony life?
Yep.
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YES.
One commercial with barely any actual animated content meant to promote a miniseries and already everyone is throwing a fit.
Crazy idea, how about we wait until we actually get a full episode before we start throwing a temper tantrum?
Is there like... a video yet, or is everyone just reacting to the design? Because my initial reaction to it was: "I can't wait to see how people break down over this without even giving it a chance." Also the downvotes prove my point, and keep proving it later on.
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Aside from a few brief snippets in the toy commercial, absolutely no fully animated scenes have been released yet. So yeah, everyone's throwing the temper tantrum over a promotional commercial.
And I thought those idiots throwing a temper tantrum over G5 was pathetic.
All I can find is a clip of stuff overlaid with a bizarre combination of the theme to Seinfeld and Limp Bizkit
i still dont know what to do with that
And what I see in this clip doesn't look like FiM so much as it looks like Lauren Faust had a salvia-fueled malaria dream and used it as the basis for what not to do with the series.
One of the main reasons everyone got pulled into FiM is the cute artstyle. That preview looks cheap and ugly.
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This is not a temper tantrum. This is an allergic reaction. I've seen this kind of art redesign before. It has a history of not working out well.
Yes, this could still succeed, and I am willing to wait for an episode or two. But y'know the first thing I thought when TTG was announced? As long as they've got the original voice cast, we should be all right.
Fool me once...
This seems like something of an overreaction.
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The redesign:
animationmagazine.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/pony-life.jpg
The first official video announcement:
Article with extra artwork:
Also includes toyline announcement.
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It takes more than artwork to make a series good. While it helps, there's also good writing.
Also, unless you forgotten, this isn't meant to be a continuation of G4, it's just a mini series Meetup of shorts that simply needs to promote a certain toy line. So the fact that you're taking it this seriously while also automatically dictating that it'll will be terrible is beyond petty and hypocritical.
Pretty ironic considering the fact that a fandom built on the concept of love and tolerance and immediately goes ballistic over something they don't like.
We already have enough imbeciles spouting BS over the idea of G5 being terrible before there's even a finalized design for the characters. Don't go adding fuel to the fire.
I'm reserving judgement until I see the finished product. Worst case scenario, I'll ignore it.
Besides, I've already gotten multiple story ideas out of the concept alone. I count that as a win.
5155456 I mean... the redesign seems to be intended to match the new toyline? I'm not expecting much other than probably really short-shorts with little issues. If people are expecting an actual continuation of MLP:FIM then they've been building really wrong expectations from the beginning. In the end, worst case scenario it's not for some people, but really, going all "This is not how it should be! It doesn't match what I WANT/REMEMBER/LOVE!" is the type of retrograde mentality that has caused some really good shows (like the new She-Ra) to deal with undeserved backlash. It's not Gen4. It's not the same show. It's not the same writers. It's not going to be the exact same characters.
Not talking about you specifically, but those threads... daaaamn
5155449 Wow. The salt his high in that thread. I'm surprised people are not dried out husks of their former selves after taking a dip in there. I like that there's people in there upset (and surprised) that the comments in the video are disabled to prevent angry adult fans from leaving the types of comments we see in the thread (or worse) in a channel little girls might frequent.
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I have yet to see strong writing connected with that art style. I'm not saying it can't exist. It may already be out there and I've missed it. I'm just saying there is a certain extant association which has to be overcome. The first reaction is a negative one. It's not necessarily the last reaction. I am simply discouraged and, until we get some actual samples, likely to remain so.
But then, as a 'ballistic imbecile', I'm not going to be capable of appreciating the subtleties anyway.
Ironic, ain't it?
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I'm simply saying to reserve judgment until we get some ACTUAL episodes.
If you want to be super-pedantic—and I always do!—"good as hell" is literally, by definition, the exact opposite of good.
I kid, though. I'm giving it a shot, with the expectation of at best light entertainment with no emotional resonance. This is, I suspect exactly the point of the whole project. Maybe it'll surprise me!
It may take a bit to get used to wacky inflatable arm waving Fluttershy, though.
Calling it now, it's going to be the Teen TItans Go of MLP.
Or maybe not. Time will tell.
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I'm still convinced that at least half of the She-Ra backlash ultimately works out to 'I can no longer indulge in an internal M rating with this.' And yes, I openly laughed during that one sequence where the Netflix series returned to a version of the original style. Thanks for the reminder on just how stupid that looked. The 80s contain many things worth revisiting, and that skirt wasn't one of them.
But the series also has some strong writing. My first reaction when I heard about the project was It's from the author of Lumberjanes? This is probably going to work. And the art style? That doesn't hurt. Frankly, I'm just hoping it carries over to Kevin Smith's He-Man attempt, because I'm curious to see an incarnation with working elbows.
I preordered this. But if it had been done in the so-called Calarts style... even with the writing staff, I would have hesitated. It's the same reason I can't watch Unikitty. I feel like the design is punching down.
So it goes.
So honestly, I didn't watch much TTG but I actually enjoyed it since I went in expecting it to be just be tags and that's what I got, and the gags were often really funny. Hell, I even went to see the movie.
So, My Little Pony Go! is going to at least get that same chance from me.
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Alright, that's less horrifying, but as you say later, this is not an art style that is typically associated with strong writing (¡Mucha Lucha! being something of an exception). Especially when you consider the design of Pinkie Pie in the promotional material.
It's not lazy animation; you can see there is care in the design. But it's a "lookatme" kind of animation born out of the idea that young children are incapable of paying any kind of attention to anything, and giving characters bright color palettes and exaggerated features and/or over-the-top mannerisms are the only way to get them to pay attention, and be able to tell different characters apart.
It's not lazy animation; it's lazy marketing, driven by lazy thinking.
But you know? FiM surprised a lot of people. Maybe it'll happen again. I won't count on it, but maybe it'll happen.
5155477 Whenever I was watching the comments from "fans" from back in the day, it was like "It was so much better!" and I'm thinking: dude, did you even re-watch it? Because back then even as a child I knew this was not great writing.
I didn't mind the art style, and even JMS was like: "When we produced this and planned it originally, it was a completely different story than what it ended up being. You should watch this new one and give it a chance."
I was already going to watch it but that was a shining endorsement for me.
That's a pretty good reaction.
And it's from my favourite movie too !!
Seriously though.
This looks like a quick, cheap and nasty flash style animation.
And the cutsie manner looks like they went the dumbed-down, Saturday morning kid's flick cartoon route.
In other words, they have gone against everything that made G4 successful.
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That's the leg up we have as active creators: new content doesn't have to exist entirely on its own merits to be valuable. I've gotten plenty of story ideas from some mediocre places.
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I, as I have noted in several places, personally think TTG is absolutely hilarious and it has me in stiches every time, especially those episodes everyone else seems to hate.
(Because, as I regularly note, I am a terrible, terrible person.)
I would be totally down with a TTG pony that was equally dark-slash-anti humour shanigans, but it's just that it is like the complete tonal opposite of what pony is. Can't see Hasbro green-lighting that, honestly.
I thus have no judgement to pass, though I suspect it will NOT be TTG!pony.
But, if it makes me laugh... Well, there's a reason Twilight Time is one of my favourite episodes, 300 is my favourite Stargate SG-1 episode, and my favourite episode of Hercules the Legendary Journies where it was set in the modern day and all the main cast excpet Kevin Sorbo were playing parody versions of the show staff and they did that bit where all the blokes hummed the theme tune while using the urinal.
So, I cannot in good (Evil?) conscionce make a judgement until I see it in anger - after all, I swore blind Equestria Girls couldn't be anything other than Suck, and notoriously ended up eating my helmet. So, yeah.
I’ve been going on the assumption that this is not Gen 5, and have generally held the position that it’s a good move on Hasbro’s part to release something in the interim and get some of the “This is too different!” drama out of the way. I mean, this seems like it was probably a stop-gap measure when they realized that Gen 5 wasn’t going to be ready to follow on the heels of Gen 4, and a wacky spin off could be put into production fairly quickly without needing any of the team that was working on Gen 5. (It seems possible that the “Rainbow Roadtrip” folks working in Toon Boom might be needed for G5 production, thus limiting staff and making further specials like that one to fill the gap harder to schedule.)
I sympathize with the people who hate “Teen Titans Go!”, but then I also remember how that show was launched... announcing that they were bringing the team back after 6 years, and then going with a wacky show instead of what it once was. That’s gotta sting. I don’t resent this as much because it doesn’t feel like it’s taking the place of something else, but rather just filled a void for a while.
And personally, I am just thrilled to get more of the voice cast cutting loose.
I'll give it a fair chance, but I'm getting a lot of TTG vibes.
Dumbing down a show to make it funnier just never sits right with me.
I blame 2 people:
William Hanna & Joseph Barbera
Next to Walt Disney, they were probably the greatest influences on animation in the world
They created literally HUNDREDS of the most iconic & beloved cartoon characters
HOWEVER,
their greatest legacy is:
They proved beyond all shadow of a doubt or possibility of dispute that
A cartoon does
NOT
need good quality animation to be wildly successful
& pointing to Scooby Do, a cartoon can sometimes get by with some pretty formulaic writing as well
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As Starlight Glimmer said in that one scene, that's devious; releasing a zero-effort turd to make G5 look good in comparison is absolutely something I can imagine a marketing executive doing. It worked with G3, after all...
The commercial is really for the toys, we dont know anything about the actual writing for the show. I don't even know how long it will be. But I need to see it first. Then I'll probably forget to watch, like I do most of FiM and EqG shorts.
I like the song itself though.
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The new She-Ra is by the same people as Lumberjanes? That makes so much sense in hindsight. I should catch back up on it; I need something to replace Giant Days.
Personally I don't expect much good from MLP for until G6 or 7, however long it takes for someone to think to see what the fans want from a show. In genral, Hasbro is good about making quality cartoons and fan engagement. They turned the Power Ranger franchise completely around in just one episode, and that's after some spectacular F ups on the part of Saban.
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Having also watched Nu-Ra, I find the criticism of indulging in higher ratings fantasizing ironic given the state of fandoms in general (and especially this fandom) and how that happens anyway, regardless of subject matter and intended age group. I think we can safely say fans of the new show are doing that regardless of the skirt being present. The new show itself even has pretensions of getting into issues that appear more gritty than usual, such as war, depression, loss of parents, etc., but it's usually drowned out by relentless jokes about Kyle being the butt-monkey of the Horde (which apparently has like six people living in it) or how yep, Mermista is still a snarky valley girl. If the original She-ra was stupid, at least it didn't try to be something it wasn't.
But that's a different show; on the subject of Pony Life I think its already had its chance and failed. This teaser trailer was the chance. It's supposed to give you an idea what the show will be like when it airs. I really, really, really doubt that after a hyperactive trailer with an extreme focus on outward appearances, wacky expressions, and ponies screaming "GOOD AS HELL!" from a song that literally had to be almost wiped clean with steel wool to make it safe for television, it will suddenly become a show that resonates with anyone. Or resonates at all, really. Just kind of... makes noise without anyone hearing, like a tree falling in the forest.
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I am worried that bronies will use this an excuse to police fun; just because something is bad isn't a reason to ruin someone else's fun.
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TTG also was replacing Young Justice, which did not help.
It's also interesting that Pinkie Pie seems to be the new lead character
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Pretension, right. Celestia forbid we acknowledge darkness without beating ourselves over the head with how edgy everything is.
John K. is not a reliable source of information in 2019
I'm just saying
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Alas, that Hercules scene is blocked by NBC for copyright violation in America at least.
So I saw this post before noticing fanofmosteverything had posted something similar, and the moment I saw this I went looking for videos that had a pilot or something of the art style that I could see.
Honestly, not sure how I feel about the art style. I do agree it brings back my original feelings of ttg in terms of when I first saw it I cringed, but...eh, I am gonna wait and see how this turns out. As with ttg while I may not have entirely been pleased with the shows direction, I cant say i despise it as there have been a few episodes I happen to have watched that i found enjoyable. While I empathize with some of the reminiscent early disappointments to ttg I can't say im not going into this with the mindset I'm gonna come out surprised either way whenever a actual pilot comes out.
The art style honestly made me think of Gainax and their anime panty & stocking. Don't know why tho, might be because the style just screams comedic vulgarity to me. Or could just be that one second I saw a noodle-wiggling flutterbutter
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“Which is worse? PPG Reboot or Teen Titans Go?”
Hasbro: “Hold my beer.”
(P.S. Someone please make a remix out of that reaction.
)
i so hope it was a spoof .. plz dont have gen 5 be like that video ..
Slice of life is the show's roots. What's so wrong about that?
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Now to be fair, I’m not claiming that this is a “zero-effort” project or that it was conceived just to take pressure off of an eventual Gen 5... I certainly don’t know anything about the origins of it.
I’m merely saying that following Gen 4 was always going to be a thankless task for the next version of Pony, while speculating that “Pony Life” wouldn’t require the kind of start up effort that we’ve seen with a whole new generation concept. It’s using the existing characters and an existing setting (Sugarcube Corner, which suggests it’s restrictive in scope rather than expansive), so it likely didn’t need a story bible worked out beforehand so much as a general premise and a style and then they’d be good to get into making it.
Add that you’d perhaps look for completely different talent to make something wacky and high energy than you’d hire to do more traditional, continuity-driven pony content and it’s not like they’d have to assign this to scrubs... this could have good people doing good work in their own style. It just doesn’t look to be a deep concept that required a lot of groundwork.
ok...
I'll start preparing the marshmallows...
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*laughs in Oliver*
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That's a good thing, though. Spinning off FiM into a series of zany, non-continuity-having, short skits that are designed to be hilarious and not at all to be taken seriously, and eventually grow into something greater than the sum of their parts, would be a good thing.
(Teen Titans Go To The Movies was only not the best superhero movie of 2018 because Into the Spider-Verse came out that year as well.)
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It really wasn't.
People keep talking about TTG like it was meant to be a continuation of the original show, or a replacement for Young Justice, or any one of a number of things that it absolutely wasn't. TTG was never intended to be anything more than it was; a vehicle for gags.
Now, this doesn't necessarily mean it was good; in my opinion they made way too many episodes for quality to out, undercutting the strength of their truly good materiel. (Any Lady Legasus episode, "When I say yummy / you say pie!", The Night Begins to Shine, etc.) But TTG has to be judged on what it was trying to do, not what people wanted it to be. It can't even be condemned on "nobody asked for this!" grounds, because clearly many people WERE asking for exactly that.
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"Nu-Ra"?
First of all stop adding "Nu" to the beginning of shows that you're opposed to, that's just SilverStarApple's stupid way of saying "show for retarded fans" without getting in trouble, and we all know what happened to him.
It's a reboot Genius, of course it's going to be different.
How is that pretentious? If anything it tackles certain issues that can actually be hard to deal with in real life. Last I checked, the original show didn't really tackle that the way they could in today's day and age
And just like that, you've proven that you've only watched, at a minimum, two or three episodes of the entire season if that's all you took away from it.
You claim that the show is trying to be something that it isn't, and yet the show pretty much established that it's something vastly different from the original Source material. Case in point the fact that She-Ra turned out not be the ultimate force for good that we all believed her to be, something that the original series never have the nerve to try out.
Either watch the show and pay attention to the finer details, or zip your lip and stop pretending you can somehow speak with the entirety of the series that you obviously just want an excuse to riff on.
o it wasn't, mainly because there were only a few Snippets of Animation in the overall commercial. Aside from a few images here and there, we don't have an objective fully animated dean of any kind that showcases exactly how the show is going to be presented. And even then, it's a miniseries, not an objective continuation of G4.
Judging it by the commercial alone is not only Petty but beyond hypocritical considering the fact that this franchise was built on the concept of love and tolerance, and yet here you are immediately proclaiming that it's terrible just from one single commercial that may not even be the final product when it comes to the show's animation. It's really sad when so-called fans like you pretend that they know better than everyone else when they can't even be bothered to remember the lesson from Zecora's debute episode.
So with all due respect, get off your high horse.
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To be fair, the point of commercials and trailers is to get you to watch the real thing, often leaving you disappointed with the movie/show because you've already seen all the best bits. If even that blatantly manipulative editing still produces hot garbage then that's not a good sign.