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I have this stupid big smile on my face that won't go away ever since i saw this update. Been waiting so long to find out whats going to happen.
Roommate for the save. As for how we know they exist, just like our world existing, random chance.
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Well now he has some personal issues to deal with. Good luck with that!
1766678 At least its not one of those japanese manga's where it takes 400 chapters for the main character to realize something.
1766618 I've always been of the mind that more than one "universe" exists though not sure what form they exist in. I like the think its the theory that every unmade choice thought or action spawns a new one combined with the theory that if u create/imagine it then it exists. (whether it did before or if your imagining it brought it into being.)
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Oh hey. I've been wondering. How's the story's voice holding out? I sometimes feel like I'm losing/changing it... Maybe I should invest in a proofreader after all.
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Hah. I suppose I can let it slide. You can be like my... whoever the dude is that people are always expecting to show up and comment on stories. Too lazy to go looking for who that is. Anyway, congrats!
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Oh no. Random chance would be boring. Also a cop out. I even get to use a canon event as part of the explanation.
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It's going to get better before it gets worse. And then maybe better. Oh wait, that's worse before it's better, right? No, I think I meant better before better then worse. Or was it worse, worse, better, worse, better, better, and then "meh?" Hmmmm. I need to go back to my notes on this.
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That's the reason I loathe the 'popular' shows like Tenchi Muyo, Inu Yasha, and Bleach. They repeatedly taunt you with character relationship development, but simply refused to finish the job - ending each arc with all the characters right where they started.
Did you mean the infinite alternate world idea where every action spawns a number of worlds depending on the outcome? Like when I hit the "E" key a world happens where that happens, and another happens where I hit the "R" instead, and another with "W," and one where I break the key, and one where Pinkie jumps out of my computer and steals my "E" key before I can hit it, and... ?
You get the picture.
How strong is her herd instinct? If she has one then I'm surprised she is not freaking out more.
1767096 That's the reason I loathe the 'popular' shows like Tenchi Muyo, Inu Yasha, and Bleach. They repeatedly taunt you with character relationship development, but simply refused to finish the job - ending each arc with all the characters right where they started.
Glad to see another person who got fed up with the fake development they pull just to pile up episode numbers. Reason i stopped watching those type of shows awhile ago.
Did you mean the infinite alternate world idea where every action spawns a number of worlds depending on the outcome? Like when I hit the "E" key a world happens where that happens, and another happens where I hit the "R" instead, and another with "W," and one where I break the key, and one where Pinkie jumps out of my computer and steals my "E" key before I can hit it, and... ?
Yup that's exactly what i was talking about. That and the theory that the worlds we create/imagine are actually things happening in alternate worlds that we draw on are my 2 favorite multiverse theories.
When reading HIE fic's i usually use the latter theory to explain things since it fits so well. It's the reason i get annoyed when the humans are afraid to tell the ponies that they are a cartoon show in their world for fear that they go through the "existential crisis". Though they could (and probably have good reason to) go through it knowledge of another world isn't proof that it doesn't exist. Your existence is tied to what you (and your body ) view as real.
There's also a similar theory that says that new universes are created to house the worlds that you create.
In rl i tend to go towards the former theory though.
Also i'll never be lucky enough to have pinkie steal my E key.
1704763 Didn't realize that Etherea was a place holder. I actually like her even though she annoys me a-lot sometimes. A good sign of a good OC is having things u both like and hate about them so i think you're on the right track with her. Still though glad you decided to stick with her instead of using one of the canon characters.
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But she's not alone... There's an Alex, a Craig, and a Dimble in close proximity!
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I initially envisioned an alicorn for this because I imagined it would take huge amounts of power to cross between worlds. Celestia would never give in to her anger like Etherea. Luna might, but I don't believe she'd take such a rash action, especially after figuring out that something wasn't quite right. Cadance is already married... Twilight's personality is just all wrong for what I wanted, but that let me make other plans for her. I considered Rarity for about a day, but I could never justify the jump in power.
So alicorn OC it was. Even though I was sure that making one was just asking to get burned. I'd planned on changing her name, but it eventually grew to fit her.
Also:
Really...? Now this I have to hear!
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Hmmm.... pony toilet.... I think this can look like one of types of toilets in Japan. Some sort gutter/channel build into the floor. It's only thing that I can think of.
1767535 I totally agree with you about this theory. With such thing you can tell with no problem "Hey we have cartoon based on your world!". But one thing in this theory piss me off. Why I ended up as one of version of Me who not go to Equestria one way or another?
Well. This story is currently one of my favourites, and I'm not ashamed to say that I grin whenever I see an update. Especially when it's such a long and savoury update that actually takes a little while to read. It just makes it so much better.
I'm curious to see where this goes and how it'll work out. With the romance tag I'm pretty sure that he's at least going to pine away for her, and the story picture does contain gratuitous ear-scratching, so some form of response to our protagonists feelings must happen. I'm a total sucker for pony-petting. In fact I've pondered on several occasions how superior petting Celestia would be to petting, say Twilight. I've pretty much concluded that Rainbow would provide the 'worst' petting, because her level of activity and constant contact with water-vapor(clouds) would make her coat a bit bristly.
My brain is totally weird. Seriously, some times I wonder just what the hell is going on up there. Oh and Cadance would probably have the smoothest coat.... God, brain, just... stop it okay.
Yeah. TL;DR: Love the story. Pony pettings would be awesome.
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See, that's what my brain does in my free time. It goes weird places. And one of the things I came up with was that potty time for a human or pony trapped in the other's world would be pretty embarrassing. And that's just for humans and female ponies. I suspect it would be even worse for a male pony on Earth. (which is something I've never read about, come to think of it)
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I really want to pet a pony too... I don't know how many people will appreciate the reference, but I can't help but imagine that their entire coats feel like the fur on the very top of a cat's head. (where it's shortest but still so very soft)
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Yes, she did! Catching up are we? I believe this: 1767821 answers your question.
1770747 Well....this movie clip can quite show how stallion on earth is going to pee
Minus walking part.
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Needs Alternate Universe tag. In Hearth's Warming Eve, it is stated that the normal unicorns used to control the sun and moon before the rule of Celestia and Luna. Thus, Celestia cannot be the sun, so this is an alternate universe Equestria.
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Ok, but what about when they have to go #2? 'Cause, y'know, if they pee at the same time then that (1770813) would be a Very Bad Idea.
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That's a tough one for me. How accurate are we expecting a cartoon designed for young girls to be?
I'll consider it mostly because, like the FAQ suggests, the setting is currently Earth, though there are plenty of stories based around vastly alternate versions of Equestria that don't use that tag. My Little Dashie, Through the Eyes of Another Pony, Anthropology, some of the Fallout: Equestria stories, Dresden Fillies, etc.
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Well, I'm only going off of observations. It's been said that she wasn't always around, and we have no evidence pointing to her existence beyond 1000+ years before the events of the story, so it's erroneous to assume that the canon Celestia is an eternal entity that is literally synonymous to the sun. However, do not let this stop you from writing. Just know that your story already diverges rather significantly from the canon material with the claim that Celestia is literally the embodiment of the sun.
1771719 Well I think that is easier for them to sit and just do this freakin number 2. Easier then trying to do number 1 with no wiggling stuff like humans have : P
Ps: What a lovely topic to have discussion about.
Celestia can be the sun... she can be born from the star itself later in pony history. We have weirder shit in our own mythology then that.
1767821 Just ment what i said before about how all the blame seems to be on Alex while she's playing the role of the victim (no one forced u to teleport there ) not that he's done anything about it. lol I put that up to her being pampered royalty in a very unusual situation that later character development might even out.
1771067 That proves nothing since they never said what the origins of celestia, luna and cadence were. (if cadence is what celestia and luna are in the first place.) For all we know before and during discords reign they could have been there all along (just not awake or existing as we view it) then the ponies crying out for help or casting a spell to summon help awakened/birthed them from the sun, moon and... love?
It could also be that they were born from regular ponies and its just a genetic lottery on who gets to be what like Mr. Cake said in Baby Cakes.(the lies we tell ourselves. ) Though that doesn't really explain the immortality/extreme longevity.
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I really don't mean to be rude, but...
This proves even less. It's pretty much asking for me to provide negative proof against your suggestions even though you couldn't provide evidence to support them yourself. But the burden of proof is on you for any claims you make. It is your responsibility to provide evidence to support any claims, assumptions, or proposals you make; it is not my responsibility to supply evidence to debunk them. Furthermore, all that you have supplied are "what-if" and "maybe" hypotheses that you couldn't provide any evidence to support nor test for in any way, which is nice as fun food-for-thought, but all but completely useless in actual argumentation.
In contrast, I brought up the observations that Celestia, by direct canon statement, has not always been the one to control the sun, and that we only have knowledge of events taking place 1000 years before the story begins. I did not claim anything about her origins. I merely pointed out that the conclusion of "Celestia is the avatar of the sun itself (and thus when she dies the sun should too)" does not match what is directly implied by the source canon, and is thus likely false in regards to it.
...I've studied argumentation theory, can you tell?
I really didn't mean to offend or belittle. Rather, I'm trying to instruct, to show you what to avoid when making an argument so you can make stronger arguments in the future. It's quite difficult to convey that in text, so I apologize if I've hurt your pride or made you feel foolish. That was not never my intention.
1772877 That's fine except i wasn't trying to disprove your argument. I even stated that it could very well be that they were born from regular ponies. All i'm saying is that there isn't enough proof to say that it diverges from canon since the show never said where they came from so they could very well be the avatar of the sun, moon and love.
All we know is what you said about they not always being there and the fact that they are extremely long lived/immortal while normal ponies aren't.
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I'll put it into perspective.
"There isn't enough proof to say that it diverges from the canon since the Bible never said what God looked like so God could very well be an Invisible Pink Unicorn."
You can't disprove what I've just said, since the Bible never explicitly describes God.
...Do you see what I mean now? This is a flawed invalid argument that does not prove anything itself, yet asserts that one conclusion is as likely as or more likely than any other, regardless of evidence, and asks others to disprove it rather than trying to prove something.
I understand what you're saying, that we don't know enough to make a solid conclusion, and I agree. Absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence. My argument is still stronger than your own because I'm actually using observations from the source to support it. My argument is also stronger than the author's conclusion of "Celestia is the sun" because I've pointed out that it would need to be much more complicated than the inverse in order to become logically feasible. Assuming they possess equal explanatory power, the simplest solution (formally, the one with fewest assumptions) should be preferred over more complicated ones that require more assumptions and have less evidence.
1772960 My point still stands. In his story he states that Celestia is the sun. You state that Celestia cant be the sun because she wasn't always there and a group unicorns had to raise and lower the sun before she showed up. I state that them having to raise the sun doesn't disprove that Celestia isn't the sun since we don't know her origins and she could very well be the avatar of the sun.
I was simply stating the most common ways (from my pov) that she could have come into being.
"Edited after your edit"
Alright how about this. In the hearts warming eve episode where we saw that the unicorns had to raise the sun they had a flag depicting Celestia and Luna going around in the harmony yin yang circle thing yet they were no where to be seen. The most logical thing i can draw from that is that they had legends/religion or whatever u want to call it about them before they showed up. Thats where i picked up the calling for help during discords reign thing.
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Here's another example of what I'm talking about:
"I state that them having to raise the sun doesn't disprove that Celestia isn't Superman since we don't know her origins and she could very well be Superman in a unicorn suit."
You're still using a "what-if" without any support and then asking me to disprove it. That's nice and all (not really, it's kind of mean), but it's actually pretty much useless as an argument, since I can make any old statement, no matter how silly sounding, using this model, and it still works just as well from the logic standpoint.
Like I said, I understand what you are saying: a definite conclusion cannot be made. However, let me pose you these questions:
If Celestia is the sun, would that mean that the sun did not exist before she did, even though we are lead to believe that it did? And if she is the "avatar" of the sun, and did not come into existence before or at the same time as the sun, why should the sun die if Celestia suddenly does? If the sun existed before she did, shouldn't it be able to feasibly exist after her as well? What reason is there for it to be unable to exist after her death?
You see, the conclusion that "Celestia is the sun" raises many questions that require assumptions, while "Celestia is not the sun" does not raise any of those questions.
1773119 I do actually know what your getting at and i would also agree with you but thats not what i was arguing about. You've said so yourself. The only thing i'm saying is that the statement doesn't break canon thus the story doesn't need an Alternate Universe tag.
Its the authors interpretation that matters though since thats what this boils down to.
Like I said, I understand what you are saying: a definite conclusion cannot be made. However, let me pose you these questions:
If Celestia is the sun, would that mean that the sun did not exist before she did, even though we are lead to believe that it did?
Pretty sure the sun existed before "Celestia twilights mentor" did. She would just not have existed in that form. Talked about it in my first post.
And if she is the "avatar" of the sun, and did not come into existence before or at the same time as the sun, why should the sun die if Celestia suddenly does?If the sun existed before she did, shouldn't it be able to feasibly exist after her as well? What reason is there for it to be unable to exist after her death?
Never said that.
"They must have used some fancy telescopes and high-end math to come up with that. Things I don't have access to. Why? How long do you think yours will last?"
Also i want to see a Celestia(Trollestia)/superman crossover comic strip now.
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...No, you actually still don't understand.
Basically: nothing you've been saying proves anything.
I'll make this bluntly clear.
Let's see your supporting evidence.
And I'm talking direct observations and logical conclusions using them, not opinions, guesses, and fanon.
"Pretty sure"? Sounds like an opinion. Once again, let's see your supporting evidence. I don't care to hear unsupported hypotheses. Show me what it is that makes you think this is true. Don't try to duck out by saying you're "just suggesting", because you're arguing that my observations and conclusions are wrong and that puts responsibility on you to explain yourself.
You completely dodged the question and posted something irrelevant. The story directly states that Celestia is the sun, and insinuates that the sun will die if she dies. This does not logically follow the evidence I've provided, given what we actually know. I don't want to hear all the hypotheses about how it could work, because those things aren't factual, they're untested hypotheses.
Did I make myself clear this time?
Oh wow! Celestia is vicariously having an existential crisis through my story's responses!
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I want to make sure you both realise that I did not say that Celestia was the Sun.
And good grief, now I've delved into to Equestria's genetics, quantum mechanics, cosmology, mythology, history, societal makeup, and even bathroom fixtures... I wonder if Kkat ever took a step back, looked at FO:E, and thought 'Gee, maybe I'm doing too much.'
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I'm really sorry about that display back there. My argument actually became more about the correct way to construct an argument rather than something related to your story itself, and that was inappropriate of me.
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The argument was still based on whether both sides' points about your beliefs about my plot ideas (now that's a mouthful) were valid. I've seen worse tangents here. So far you're both good in my opinion.
Just keep it civil, y'know.
I knew I shouldn't have interrupted...
Back to pondering whether this is an alternate universe if Hasbro is wrong.
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Yes i understood what you were getting at and the only way i can state it any plainer is this:
We do not know where they came from which is a fact. Since we don't know where they came from the author has free reign to say what he pleases within limits set by previous episodes and it would still be considered in universe until the show states their origins.
The flag they raised at the end of hearts warming eve has a picture of 2 alicorns chasing each other in a circle with celestia and luna's cutie marks on it. In my first post i said that during discords reign the ponies could have called for help or used a spell to which they responded to. While this is indeed an assumption it neatly explains the loose ends in this fic since they were no where around that we could see yet the ponies still knew about either them or the idea of them.
That was a rhetorical statement you read to much into the "pretty sure". You're going off of hearths warming eve and we can plainly see the sun in that episode.
How did i? He asks how long she thinks their sun will last. He wasn't thinking about Celestia when he asked the question. She actually had to tell him that Celestia was connected to the sun and from that and the next paragraph we can infer that her natural lifespan is that of the sun. They never said anything about what happens to the sun if Celestia were to book it prematurely just that their lifespan is connected.
When i read this paragraph the picture i get is that she's thinking about asking Celestia how much longer she's going to live. Unless the ponies somehow know when someone is going kill them she couldn't be asking that question. It never brings up what would happen to the sun if Celestia died before it.
1773593 Heh yeah sry about that. Didn't realize that things were starting to get out of hand lol.
1773346 I tend to type as i think which isn't in a straight line but jumping from one possibility to another. I don't always remember to explain those jumps either lol.
That entire section with Craig honestly made me do a double-take... what, is he from the 50's? I mean... some of the stuff he was saying left me genuinely expecting for him to start talking about her frail, womanly disposition and suggest that she should feel better once she's in the kitchen making him a sandwich. It oozed condescension.
I thought you were going to lampshade the whole conversation later on... but it never came up again during this chapter. Please tell me that it doesn't become a big-lipped alligator moment. Except that instead of a big-lipped alligator, we get Craig (a seemingly nice guy) being kind of a sexist prick and Alex (also seemingly a nice guy) just kind nodding along to it.
Then I thought you might be setting up Craig to have a hilariously uncouth flaw (a la Barney Stinson or Johnny Bravo), but now I don't know what to think. If there was supposed to be some sort of comedy there, it was lost or ill-delivered... and now I just got left with this confusing character moment and wondering if you actually mean for me to dislike Craig as a character. To put it another way: there doesn't seem to be a discernable purpose for what Craig said, which disrupts the flow of the story.
The rest of the chapter seemed fine... but it was hard to enjoy it past that one utterly confounding scene.
oh boy..... here we go!!!
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Damn... 12k words! Heh that's too short! I need moar! Jk. I just like that story quite a lot. So yeah.
Keep on goin' partner
What have we here? A pony on Earth story of sufficient length with interesting characters? I shall follow your story, author. Ever waiting, ever watching.
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I think you may have misunderstood Craig's character, judging by your examples. He is comedic relief to an extent, but that's not all that he is. That section was not intended to be funny, and looking at him like he's Johnny Bravo would be a mistake. I didn't intend for him to come across quite as bad as you are worried about, but his views are skewed. So I may have overdone that exchange - I am still new to this, after all.
Thanks for the critique, by the way! This was a possible problem that I hadn't considered, and though I'm mostly happy with how I've written Craig, you inadvertently pointed out a serious problem with a future scene. Thanks for that as well!
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Judging by the trend I've started, the next chapter should be around 14k words... but I hope not. Writing really large chapters is intimidating.
1776607 The more, the better (to me at least. I love long reads). But don't overdo yourself though. Write only how much you feel line writing, otherwise it'll become harder and possibly a chore. And boy do i not want you to stop so early in the story.
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Er... Me or my story? *checks the bushes under the window just to be sure*
Glad you like it!
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Well there goes my plan for a chapter 5 with only 6 words...
"And then they kissed, the end."
So, then you shocked the pony into unconsciousness?
To The Moon!!!
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...I just wanted to clear up what I'm actually saying real quick.
Nothing in the show so far suggests that Celestia's lifespan is connected to the sun. In fact, the show says Celestia controls the raising of the sun, and also says that before she was around other unicorns did that job. These observations suggest that her lifespan is most likely not connected to the sun's, just that her talent is "moving the sun". While it's certainly possible that her lifespan is connected to the sun, to assume such a conclusion is true without any evidence to support it beyond her association with moving the sun (which cannot logically be claimed as directly linked to her longevity) is a "leap of faith", a fallacious conclusion.
But, this actually isn't enough to warrant an AU tag, after all, so I rescind what I originally said; it was kind of foolish of me. While that statement shouldn't exactly be canon (I can't be certain, of course; but the evidence supports the idea that her lifespan isn't directly linked to the sun much more than the opposite conclusion, so it is the better conclusion), but it's not diverging wildly from it in the end, so it's something that can be ignored.
...Not that any fanfiction is ever canon by virtue of its inherent nature...
Anyways, I just wanted to clear that up. I'm not trying to start up a new argument. It's already finished and settled.
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I honestly thought of Craig as something like Barney from "How I Met Your Mother". The love-ably reprehensible charming-yet-crude rogue.
As always an update to this fic brings me great happiness.
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I was absolutely tickled to see such an involved discussion pop up over a tidbit said in haste by a pony at least 1/40 Celestia's age.
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That sounds like a better description. I'll have to make a note of it and keep it on hand while I write. (Side note: watch "How I Met Your Mother")
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It makes me so happy to see that people are enjoying this despite my fears around the story's flaws - both present and perceived.
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Well, you must understand that your characters are one of the primary mediums through which you speak to us in the story. Unless we are given truly sufficient reasons to doubt those characters' words, we will generally treat them as being otherwise truthful in nature. The character being upset is a reason to cast some doubt her words, but it isn't enough to make me believe that she is not speaking truthfully. Thus, if she says "Celestia is the sun" and implies that her lifespan is the sun's lifespan, I will accept that she is being truthful in the context of the story. Is that not sensible?
Also, "How I Met Your Mother" is fantastic and you should indeed watch it.
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I know. It's just that the entire discussion made me go back and rethink that one line and what it means for the rest of the story. Strangely enough, it brought back a scene idea that I had discarded as silly/extraneous, and now I'm left considering how deeply I can delve in to it without it becoming too big of a tangent.
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Keep forging ahead. That's all I can say.
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The point of that section was that Alex wasn't sleeping very well. I think that if I were to put Etherea waking as the beginning to chapter 3, then it would seem like Alex got some decent sleep at the end of 2. And it would still be a sort of cliffhanger - all that build up at the end just to have it leave off with him sleeping?
I was being a little facetious with my apology anyways. My point was that the best ending point was during that night given everything that I wanted to do after it. Ending earlier or later would literally leave some thoughts half finished for no good reason.
This story is excellent; I'll be adding it to my Archive if/when it's complete.
Oh man this is too bad! Like in real life... LOVE IS DEATH.
Ok, seriously. I enjoyed this a lot. The last few paragraphs shocked me a little even if they have a somehow analytic on what the protagonist is coming trough, and I can't wait to see how his emotions will be strained and how it plays with the chemistry between Etherea and him.
Sorry for the bad english.
Please keep updating.
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Love is death? What? Do you mean that love is difficult and can hurt?
What exactly shocked you about the last paragraphs?
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Yes, that's what I meant. After all love it's that difficult. But if it was easy it wouldn't be worth to even read stories about it or search it, so what the hell. Guess that line didn't have the comical relief I expected
What shocked me are the feelings of the protagonist. An emotional shitstorm is coming.