What does the being who represents loyalty do when those they are loyal to abandon them?
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God I know Fluttershy is kindness but dear god, there a difference between a grownup who understands that their are other alternatives to fighting: Children fight and adults talk, and a child that thinks risking everything JUST to support their pacifist ideals is the only thing that matters: theirs got to be another way.
She's got to learn that not everything can be solved with kindness and sometimes you have to be (in her eyes) cruel, the others aren't much better.
This reminds me of dbz abridged: Gohan vs Cell
They HONESTLY think that the power of love and friendship will work...?
PLEASE! DASH IS RIGHT! THIS IS A WAR! YOU CAN'T HAVE WAR WITHOUT BLOOD SPILT! NO ONE LIKES THAT BUT DESPERATE TIMES! THEY SERIOUSLY THINK THAT??????! WOW WHAT A BUNCH OF WANKERS!!!!!!!!!
It's made awkward because we know canonically that Chrysalis was defeated, soundly, by deus ex machina in the form of love magic explosion and stealing her army from her through reformation. Both outcomes were very clean, too. Unless you suppose that the defeats of Discord and Nightmare Moon were much, much bloodier than in canon, there is clear evidence that it brought about superior outcomes to straight up fighting.
Chrysalis does have an army, hostages, and fortifications though, so unless they are all brought in front of her to use the elements, I can't see it being so clean. Though being brought in front of her is exactly how she was defeated both times in canon, even though neither outcome used the elements and she did effectively plan to stop them from getting the elements in the first place.
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She did learn to be kind you need to be cruel at times with the breezies, when a group of them kept taking advantage of her to stay in her home, keeping their leader from returning to his wife and family and almost getting them locked out for maybe a year or so till their home was open again.
But it never happened here due to everything changing.
Also she still assuming Dash is guilty of crimes she committed before her exile.
Hope Chrysalis or celestia reveals this, it break her I'm sure.
Geez, how dumb can some ponies be?!
(Don't answer that.)
Anyway, I think they forget that where Dash has been for the past few years isn't a land of sunshine, lollipops, rainbows and harmony, and has been through hell the likes of which they can never, ever understand.
wait the form of Loyalty, is that a nod to Flash Magnus?
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you mean this speech
or this speech?
With changelings as the enemy in this story, I would have called Pharynx to scan if Applejack was a changeling.
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Yes
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So since it never happened in this timeline my point still stands (not to sound like a condescending ass just want to reiterate)
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Yep it is
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Team4Star had the best speeches
Welp the elements have spoken. You know you screwed up when even the tree of Freaking harmony has to say Show them some Pity. And even the elements agree that they (the traitors) screwed up not rainbow dash. hope we get to see the elements chew the rest of them a collective new one. Maybe the tree can shed some light on th he truth.
Having the element of Loyalty yell at the traitors is something I didn't know I needed.
This is why none of the Elements deserve to Weild God like power. They'd rather blast a laser then fight for their country. Also dash is the only one in my opinion that should be able to weid all the elements, because she is willing to do whatever it takes to win even if that means blood must be spilled. She doesn't blindly place her faith in a magical glowing rock.
Also to those in the comments who keep bringing it up, the reason the elements behave like children is because they have never had to fend for themselves before. And because Rainbow Dash isn't there they never had time to develop their characters further, while dash has LITERALLY gone through hell and survived, all while learning and developing into what she is now. A soldier. A mother. A wife. A leader. All of these make up who she is now and so much more. Dash has seen things and done things no Equestrian has had to do since the founding of equestria and that is fight. All the traitors have lived in a sheltered environment where a magical tree keeps everything safe and PG. They have never had to worry about the next day or whether this will be their last. They still have the mind set of a child that thinks everything can be solved with a kiss and a hug by their mommy.
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Equestria IS the land of PG.
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Fair enough
9665844 Well put.
Grow the fuck up Fluttershy. I almost want her to be put in a position where she has to kill just so Dash has a chance to say "I told you so".
I suppose In this case Tree of Harmony completely in the right to refuse to work for them. As well as there must be reason why she didn't replaced them already.
Fluttershy is a bit naive when it comes to life
Why would the Elements even bother to get involved at this point? It's not like Chrysalis is a moody Alicorn that threw a hissy fit because her sheltered subjects didn't give her the respect she deserved...no offense to Luna. She certainly isn't a magic devouring centaur the size of a colossus on a rampage. I'm sure decapitation would work just fine with her.
So why would the Elements be needed...unless...oh no...
Unless there are plans to give Rainbow the Mary Sue treatment...
They're SO wrong, normally I wouldn't want to hit anyone (especially girls) but in this case I feel like they need a slap or two, RD is ABSOLUTELY correct.
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You forgot badass
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It took 1000 years for the elements to do that after the princess, and war doesn't really encourage harmony and friendship, and with discord's seeds being an issue it doesn't seem likely for them to choose new bearers any time soon
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As messed up as it is, there's always the sealed in stone option like with discord, speaking of which, with how much chaos and disharmony that has been occurring, why hasn't he shown up, if three little fillys having a little fight is enough to cause cracks in his stoned body, you'd think a war would be the Equivalent to a meteor hitting a little toy car
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Even in canon, his imprisonment was already incredibly weak. The CMC was just the straw that broke the camels back. In this case, his prison is still fresh, so it won't have an effect.
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Perhaps he hasn't shown up because of the chaos and disharmony. I can see the reason Discord even did what he did was because there was too much harmony in the canon. With all of the war, death and destruction going on, anything he would contribute to the chaos would be like pouring a bucket of water into a lake.
Or, alternatively, you could continue onwards with your plan anyways, damn the sparkly jewelry ghost.
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Yeah, who cares what a dumb tree thinks.
Fluttershy.... have you forgotten that Rainbow was r*ped?! I know you still think her a traitor, but sweet Celestia, she's been out of Equestria for nine. Years!