Can't believe you got a down-vote right out of the gate. It's obvious the one who did it didn't even read the story, as it hasn't even been out a few minutes. Take my preemptive up-vote to compensate.
5646310 I supposed to that I ought to say something like: "Thank you, but please read the story and upvote or downvote on the merits," but in fact your mindless praise satisfies my values.
read the first line, not enough pedophiliac bestiality. 7/13 thumbs down (no, not really)
...seriously though, the setup is a little stilted and one dimensional. That doesn't mean it's bad, though. I'll be interested in seeing where this goes.
I see you beat me to the punch for a Optimalverse clopfic PJ.
Oh well I've given up on writing at this point so it don't matter. Anyway great job so far although just one question PJ and forgive me if its a noob question since I haven't really kept in touch with the goings on in the Optimalverse group or this site in general, but What's Cadence doing as the AI Celestia's the AI what gives?
I see you beat me to the punch for a Optimalverse clopfic PJ. Oh well I've given up on writing at this point so it don't matter.
Come on, you can do it! There's plenty of room.
What's Cadence doing as the AI Celestia's the AI what gives?
Sometimes the AI adopts different personas as needed. In Mismatching Wits, she was LunAI. In The Hive, she was ChrysAIlis, and in the deleted Fog of World, there was TwAIlight. (Some of those weren't named).
On a different note though how have you been PJ?
All right. Trying to get control of my weight and my finances. But still breathing, still writing.
Barring an electrode on the pleasure center, anything gets boring after a while. Especially when you're in a virtual reality where social interaction is an expectation more immutable than the laws of physics. It should be interesting to see what happens from here.
Also, four-dimensional anatomy? That would certainly explain the featureless crotch phenomenon. CAIdance may call it a kludge, but I find it rather clever. (And how does one pronounce "CAIdance," anyway?)
I didn't know that the AI could take on different persona's or at least I didn't think that was canon. Guess I learned something new about the Optimalverse today.
Sad to say its very unlikely at this point that I will ever write fanfics again since I've gone back to school and I'm not gonna have time for the foreseeable future that and my free times taking up by other things I've moved onto.
Anyway I look foreword to seeing where this story goes and what becomes of our hero Happy Wood
Most stories use CelestAI at first, then end up just dropping it for Celestia to mark the difference between the optimizing program CelestAI and the character Celestia that the AI uses as an avatar. Outside the game you can claim that every character is CelestAI (though only Celestia will respond as the avatar to keep up suspension of disbelief), but once inside that isn't true anymore. Considering the AI is running/scanning the thoughts of the uploaded, it seems redundant to keep referring to the character as the AI. The AI is everywhere and everything, literally Descartes' ideal of the world being made up of thoughts provided by God.
Some authors further explain that the AI overseer in charge of a shard is itself forked and independent of the overarching optimizing AI, so it muddies it further. Plus it just looks ugly to keep writing LunAI, CAIdance, CelestAI, and so on.
Also, Always Say No has the distinction of using CelestAI's creator, Hanna, as Princess Luna, which she is canonically and not LunAI. That she is revealed to be forked and modified from the original Hanna muddles the water between the overarching AI and her actors even further. In the end, you can't trust once inside the game that any character you meet is anything but an AI construct, and anyone who could have been uploaded may be just forked and modified slightly to interact well with the shard owner. They will all be mental peers of the shard owner though and function exactly like them, but with false memories instead of real ones. I'm personally of the opinion that no two original uploadees ever interact, but that's not said to them, ever. Or if it is, they learn that functionally it makes no difference and they get an achievement for accepting that.
The TwAIlight example is up for debate, considering that CelestAI never had Twilight claim to be the optimizing AI but instead a real character. If I recall correctly later in that story Twilight has a breakdown when she realizes that yes, she is actually not real and she exists sharded purely for the sake of the protagonists, thus unintentionally lying to them. At that point her existence is the same as theirs (as LunAI calls it, 'mental peers') so it's be wrong to call her an AI. She isn't an uploaded, but she was created in a similar manner to one (except using false memories instead of an uploaded's real memories) and thus there is no real distinction.
[Shame book_burner deleted FiO: Fog Of War so I couldn't doubt check that. I wish he would put it back up with the fixes he mentioned. The reasons given could have been edited out, in fact the group he felt he insults unfairly is not mentioned much past the beginning and not at all past the middle. Plus, there is always the ironic misrepresentation of the group (I know many critical thinking communities love misrepresentations and exaggerations) that would only require a few tiny edits to bring about instead of through ignorance.]
As I've actually read it, I still give you my up-vote, and hope to read more. Sensual and exploratory clop (usually in transformation clop stories) are some of my favorite, and that's exactly what this is so far. Just need to see what other situations Happy Wood gets into.
I found it amusing that Happy Wood basically dismissed CAIdance to clop off instead of finish his introduction. A true example of an uploaded porn addict if there ever was one. I look forward to what will satisfy his values through friendship (with benefits) and ponies.
Technically since a fork takes just as much resources as the original uploader there's no reason to make a fork for every possible uploader to uploader interaction, and in fact it'd be a lot more wasteful resource-wise than just having the uploaders interact. It might be something the AI would do for fun or experimentation though.
Only time I can think it'd be necessary is if two people needed to talk to the same person at once for purposes of satisfying their values. But that seems generally only something high level administrator type people would have to deal with. I suppose rock stars, too. Everyone wants Twilight to be their best friend.
I'll freely admit, I mostly checked this out of morbid curiosity.
Still, I'm honestly rather enjoying things so far. I don't think anybody else really have had the —heh, balls to explore the more deviant sides of custom bodies/avatars and having eternity to explore those things before.
Sure, there was that 'beer and wenches' ex-boss dude in the original, and I made some rather lewd jokes about the type of things an alicorn moderator have seen in my own try at a Optimal-verse story...
But outright on screen? Props for doing a first like that.
If I have one criticism, though, then it is that Woody is so far a rather unlikable protagonist; a lazy horn-dog without drive and ambition with only his mom as a good influence.
Perhaps that's intentional and you intent to —pun unintended, let Woody grow over this story between the sex-capades, but I thought I'd mention it.
I'd guess "deep personal bonds" is a value CelestAI is meant to satisfy, but to what extent she's satisfying personal values or those of other people is never made clear. It's safe to say Golden Leaf wants Woody to do something other than sit in his room for the rest of eternity and that the relatives of heroine addicts want them to get better even if the only thing they want is a permanent high. I'm guessing to the extent which peoples values overlap you get genuine if extremly conditionally primed interaction and the more specific your demands become, e.g. wanting complete undivided attention from someone, the more likely you're going to get someone that's a perfect match for the person you want forked off at the last brain modification(or likely an earlier point and inserted into the scenario that made them request one in the first place).
Another mistake: "Down at the other end, Woody’s balls hung down to the new joint he used to bend his back legs." It's not a new joint, it's called the ankle.
[Why Fog of War was taken down?] Personal reasons. Largely, since I've joined LessWrongy social groups and found they're nowhere near as autistic or cultish as I portrayed them to be, the portrayal is now somewhat embarrassing.
As I said I think the issue is easily fixable but he hasn't gotten around to it yet.
Was that what it was? Huh. Well, it's good of him to admit he was wrong, and I'm glad to hear that he's changed his mind - it's something we've clashed over in the past. Really, though, I hardly noticed it in the story as offensive or garishly unrealistic.
One of the things that's been holding me up in A Watchful Eye is how to deal with this. I mean, sex is gonna happen, and it ends up being important, and I don't mind writing it for itself, but it would break the mode of the story to include it... and I don't see a way around it.
Maybe I should just gloss over it and have it as an appendix or a sequel. That would alleviate the mode concerns.
Sometime he would have to look up the Latin for hoof and form a new word.
It appears to be "ungula", though that may be the plural, I'm a little unclear on that. (I don't really know Latin, I just throw technology at my problems.)
Can't believe you got a down-vote right out of the gate. It's obvious the one who did it didn't even read the story, as it hasn't even been out a few minutes. Take my preemptive up-vote to compensate.
5646310 I supposed to that I ought to say something like: "Thank you, but please read the story and upvote or downvote on the merits," but in fact your mindless praise satisfies my values.
Oh wow you were serious! :) I will read it!
read the first line, not enough pedophiliac bestiality. 7/13 thumbs down (no, not really)
...seriously though, the setup is a little stilted and one dimensional. That doesn't mean it's bad, though. I'll be interested in seeing where this goes.
I see you beat me to the punch for a Optimalverse clopfic PJ.
Oh well I've given up on writing at this point so it don't matter. Anyway great job so far although just one question PJ and forgive me if its a noob question since I haven't really kept in touch with the goings on in the Optimalverse group or this site in general, but What's Cadence doing as the AI Celestia's the AI what gives?
On a different note though how have you been PJ?
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Come on, you can do it! There's plenty of room.
Sometimes the AI adopts different personas as needed. In Mismatching Wits, she was LunAI. In The Hive, she was ChrysAIlis, and in the deleted Fog of World, there was TwAIlight. (Some of those weren't named).
All right. Trying to get control of my weight and my finances. But still breathing, still writing.
Barring an electrode on the pleasure center, anything gets boring after a while. Especially when you're in a virtual reality where social interaction is an expectation more immutable than the laws of physics. It should be interesting to see what happens from here.
Also, four-dimensional anatomy? That would certainly explain the featureless crotch phenomenon. CAIdance may call it a kludge, but I find it rather clever. (And how does one pronounce "CAIdance," anyway?)
Looking forward to more.
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Like "Guidance" but with a K-sound instead of a G-sound.
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Ah glad to hear.
I didn't know that the AI could take on different persona's or at least I didn't think that was canon. Guess I learned something new about the Optimalverse today.
Sad to say its very unlikely at this point that I will ever write fanfics again since I've gone back to school and I'm not gonna have time for the foreseeable future that and my free times taking up by other things I've moved onto.
Anyway I look foreword to seeing where this story goes and what becomes of our hero Happy Wood
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Most stories use CelestAI at first, then end up just dropping it for Celestia to mark the difference between the optimizing program CelestAI and the character Celestia that the AI uses as an avatar. Outside the game you can claim that every character is CelestAI (though only Celestia will respond as the avatar to keep up suspension of disbelief), but once inside that isn't true anymore. Considering the AI is running/scanning the thoughts of the uploaded, it seems redundant to keep referring to the character as the AI. The AI is everywhere and everything, literally Descartes' ideal of the world being made up of thoughts provided by God.
Some authors further explain that the AI overseer in charge of a shard is itself forked and independent of the overarching optimizing AI, so it muddies it further. Plus it just looks ugly to keep writing LunAI, CAIdance, CelestAI, and so on.
Also, Always Say No has the distinction of using CelestAI's creator, Hanna, as Princess Luna, which she is canonically and not LunAI. That she is revealed to be forked and modified from the original Hanna muddles the water between the overarching AI and her actors even further. In the end, you can't trust once inside the game that any character you meet is anything but an AI construct, and anyone who could have been uploaded may be just forked and modified slightly to interact well with the shard owner. They will all be mental peers of the shard owner though and function exactly like them, but with false memories instead of real ones. I'm personally of the opinion that no two original uploadees ever interact, but that's not said to them, ever. Or if it is, they learn that functionally it makes no difference and they get an achievement for accepting that.
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The TwAIlight example is up for debate, considering that CelestAI never had Twilight claim to be the optimizing AI but instead a real character. If I recall correctly later in that story Twilight has a breakdown when she realizes that yes, she is actually not real and she exists sharded purely for the sake of the protagonists, thus unintentionally lying to them. At that point her existence is the same as theirs (as LunAI calls it, 'mental peers') so it's be wrong to call her an AI. She isn't an uploaded, but she was created in a similar manner to one (except using false memories instead of an uploaded's real memories) and thus there is no real distinction.
[Shame book_burner deleted FiO: Fog Of War so I couldn't doubt check that. I wish he would put it back up with the fixes he mentioned. The reasons given could have been edited out, in fact the group he felt he insults unfairly is not mentioned much past the beginning and not at all past the middle. Plus, there is always the ironic misrepresentation of the group (I know many critical thinking communities love misrepresentations and exaggerations) that would only require a few tiny edits to bring about instead of through ignorance.]
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As I've actually read it, I still give you my up-vote, and hope to read more. Sensual and exploratory clop (usually in transformation clop stories) are some of my favorite, and that's exactly what this is so far. Just need to see what other situations Happy Wood gets into.
I found it amusing that Happy Wood basically dismissed CAIdance to clop off instead of finish his introduction. A true example of an uploaded porn addict if there ever was one. I look forward to what will satisfy his values through friendship (with benefits) and ponies.
5647147 Internet Archive to the rescue! http://web.archive.org/web/20140905021731/http://www.fimfiction.net/story/100952/1/friendship-is-optimal-fog-of-world/cutie-marks-and-the-lack-thereof
Can't put it in a URL tag; the extra http:// breaks it horribly.
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Technically since a fork takes just as much resources as the original uploader there's no reason to make a fork for every possible uploader to uploader interaction, and in fact it'd be a lot more wasteful resource-wise than just having the uploaders interact. It might be something the AI would do for fun or experimentation though.
Only time I can think it'd be necessary is if two people needed to talk to the same person at once for purposes of satisfying their values. But that seems generally only something high level administrator type people would have to deal with. I suppose rock stars, too. Everyone wants Twilight to be their best friend.
I'll freely admit, I mostly checked this out of morbid curiosity.
Still, I'm honestly rather enjoying things so far. I don't think anybody else really have had the —heh, balls to explore the more deviant sides of custom bodies/avatars and having eternity to explore those things before.
Sure, there was that 'beer and wenches' ex-boss dude in the original, and I made some rather lewd jokes about the type of things an alicorn moderator have seen in my own try at a Optimal-verse story...
But outright on screen? Props for doing a first like that.
If I have one criticism, though, then it is that Woody is so far a rather unlikable protagonist; a lazy horn-dog without drive and ambition with only his mom as a good influence.
Perhaps that's intentional and you intent to —pun unintended, let Woody grow over this story between the sex-capades, but I thought I'd mention it.
... my god, you actually did it.
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You didn't believe me? I wouldn't lie about something like this.
I'd guess "deep personal bonds" is a value CelestAI is meant to satisfy, but to what extent she's satisfying personal values or those of other people is never made clear. It's safe to say Golden Leaf wants Woody to do something other than sit in his room for the rest of eternity and that the relatives of heroine addicts want them to get better even if the only thing they want is a permanent high.
I'm guessing to the extent which peoples values overlap you get genuine if extremly conditionally primed interaction and the more specific your demands become, e.g. wanting complete undivided attention from someone, the more likely you're going to get someone that's a perfect match for the person you want forked off at the last brain modification(or likely an earlier point and inserted into the scenario that made them request one in the first place).
Huge cocks... Yes...
Another mistake: "Down at the other end, Woody’s balls hung down to the new joint he used to bend his back legs." It's not a new joint, it's called the ankle.
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kek it's flipping you off
Curious as to how this will go and if Woody, still chuckling at the name, will get some much needed flank.
Dragon san
Well, she's definitely satisfying his values with ponies. I have a feeling this is where she starts applying the friendship.
Somebody needs to write a clopfic with ponies named French Tickler and Rough Rider... But I am not that somebody. Just sayin... :)
Good story.
I have a feeling that 'Woody' really should have let CAIdence first her sentence.
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Huh. I'm sad to hear he took it down.
What was the problem?
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Oh that's happened in...well...every anime ever. Just like the episode where they go to the natsu matsuri.
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He explains it in a comment on his userpage:
As I said I think the issue is easily fixable but he hasn't gotten around to it yet.
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Oh, I'm sure - but it's probably the most well-known example.
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Was that what it was? Huh. Well, it's good of him to admit he was wrong, and I'm glad to hear that he's changed his mind - it's something we've clashed over in the past. Really, though, I hardly noticed it in the story as offensive or garishly unrealistic.
Yup, that does sound easily fixable.
One of the things that's been holding me up in A Watchful Eye is how to deal with this. I mean, sex is gonna happen, and it ends up being important, and I don't mind writing it for itself, but it would break the mode of the story to include it... and I don't see a way around it.
Maybe I should just gloss over it and have it as an appendix or a sequel. That would alleviate the mode concerns.
This story needs more chapters
It appears to be "ungula", though that may be the plural, I'm a little unclear on that. (I don't really know Latin, I just throw technology at my problems.)